Talk:Keith Shadis

Shadis?
Isn't his name Shardis though?Chris (talk) 04:27, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the same. The "ー" in between isn't there for nothing.  h fc 2 X  04:45, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Survey Corps commander
He's indirectly confirmed to be the 12th commander of the Scouting Legion. He is the same guy in charge of the expedition on the first Chapter/Episode who is admitely a disaster. In the anime, that one guy is also named Keith (キース) and he's also voiced by Tsuguo Mogami (最上嗣生). I don't think this is a coincidence.  h fc 2 X  03:16, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Well, while I wouldn't count on the VA being the same as a proof, since it's normal that one VA voices multiple minor characters, together with the name it would be hard to be a coincidence, unless the anime team named him Keith only because the VA was also voicing Keith Shadis. Also, if they really were the same person, why not include a full name in the credits? 08:41, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Edit: Here he is called Commander Nick and has Tomohisa Asou as a VA 08:44, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

So yeah, I think until we have some official confirmation we should simply consider them different people. They are listed as two different characters in the "Inside" guidebook.

--Harostar (talk) 08:55, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * @Miskos3 I only talk based on what I can see on the credits. In no episode there's a character named "Commander Nick", and the only Nick you see in the credits for Episode 1 is ニック司祭, indeed voiced by Tomohisa Asou. The character in question is listed as キース in the credits.
 * @Harostar I would like to check it out, since even japanese sites list them as the same character. That's why I went back to Episode 1 to check the credits (which added for confirmation to me).  h fc 2 X  09:52, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. When I get home, I'll see what pages they are listed on. I guess I can upload scans if need be, unless you have access to a copy?

--Harostar (talk) 09:53, September 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, so they mistook him to be the commander, since Pastor Nick indeed appears right after the opening sequence. Anyways, here are the two pages from Inside that mention both 'Keiths': 1 2 I'm not sure if there is something else as I just skimmed through the pages, I'll check later I guess. 09:59, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, what I could understand (note that my understanding of japanese far less than perfect), first Keith says this: Status unknown (referring to if alive or dead) "Former leader of Scouting Legion" Commander from 5 years ago. May have been leader of his predecessor (?) (Volume 1, Chapter 1) Second Keith: "Instructor" Puts trainees through devilish training to make them soldiers He seems to have a long-time friendship with Grisha (Volume 4, Chapter 15 and on)

Just as a side note, I stumbled across this post from Papermoon2, and I think it's worth reading. She(?) advises not to take the Inside Guidebook too seriously.  h fc 2 X  11:14, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, well, even then, it's still 'official material', so unless it clashes with actual manga (Nanaba's first appearance), we're gonna have to abide by it until it's somehow proven incorrect. Either way, thanks for the info. 11:26, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm. How about this for a compromise? Maybe have a trivia that notes it as being possible, but also Unconfirmed?

--Harostar (talk) 13:15, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Ehhh. Let's not speculate. 13:36, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not officially confirmed nor denied either, so I think it deserves some sort of mention in the article. I could care less about what the Official Guidebook says, but I doubt the production team just named both characters "Keith" and gave them the same voice just because they felt like it. Don't forget they ask Isayama himself about things there's ambiguity about, and don't forget that he himself adds things to the anime that aren't present on the manga (like all the filler in Episode 22 was his own doing). So, a coincidence like this seems really, really unlikely to me.  h fc 2 X  01:59, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

The Keith = Scouting Legion Commander thing has been confirmed.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/635/968/903.png

--Harostar (talk) 12:52, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Long Range Scouting Formation
In No Regrets, Shadis actually lets Erwin use the formation. The expedition ends up failing, but seeing as No Regrets is acknowledged as happening in the main series there should probably be some change to the article.