Board Thread:Manga/@comment-39295103-20190704080517/@comment-25933225-20190709174232

GokūBlack10 wrote: Razzylada wrote:

Marley is INSPIRED by Nazis, but Marley ARE NOT Nazis. Learn de difference, a toddler could make it. Do they both live in Germany? No. Did Marley created exterminations camp? No. Concentration-like camps, yes, even if Revelio/Liberio is not as extreme as Auschwitz was, but not extermination camps. Do Marley have the svatiska-like symbol? No. Do Marley have a propaganda worshipping their leader, a cult of personnality? No. That was probably the worst point I've seen you make in this thread so far. You're going way out of your way to insist that Marley aren't Nazis (just because that isn't their literal name). If Marley was a real nation in today's world, we would call them, if not Nazis, neo-Nazis, because their ideology is nearly 100% Nazi Germany.

Nazis don't just have to live in Germany. There were plenty of Nazi Parties in the United States and elsewhere during World War II, just as there are a plethora of Neo-Nazi groups all throughout the Western world today.

Marley actually *does* have a version of extermination camps in sending Eldians to "heaven" and turning them into Titans. That's a clear metaphor for the extermination camps (since the Eldian inside the Titan is pretty much dead, unless they miraculously get ahold of someone with the power of the Titans) that most readers, except I guess you, got.

Libero is a ghetto. Nazi Germany had LOTS of those. I'm not sure why you tried to compare it a concentration camp when it's been made clear that it was a ghetto for Eldians from day one. And, just like Nazi Germany, everyone sent to die and become Titans on Paradis were taken from these ghettos for one reason or another. I shouldn't even have to bring up the star patch on Eldians wrists, which are essentially the same Star of David patch the Nazis forced Jewish citizens to wear.

And yes. Marley worships Helos as the one who rescued them from the "evil Eldians," same as loyal German citizens worshiped Hitler for protecting them from the "evil Jews." Helos may not be their leader, but they have statues of him everywhere, worship him as a "Marleyan patriot," and are actively looking for someone else to be the next Helos to "wipe out the Eldians." Sounds like Hitler to me.

So, no. You didn't demonstrate anything, and you made several false comparisons a long the way—all the while making yourself look sympathetic to literal Nazis. Way to go. I'm not sympathetic to Nazis at all. I just explained that it's not because Marley has similarities with Nazis that they are Nazis. You get the point of a similarity or inspiration? Doesn't seem so. Marley are not Nazis, that's just a fact, they're inspired by them, but are not Nazis. How could you not understand that? Using your logic of "Something is inspired by this = the thing it is inspired from", you could say that unicorns = horses, that War of the Five Kings in GoT = War of the Roses, that Elves = Humans, that Minotaur = Cow, that pure Titan = drunk man entering in a bar.

Even the wiki says that Marley is inspired by Nazis: "PARALLELS", "REFLECTIONS", "STRONG SIMILARITIES"
 * Marley's policy of segregating Eldians into ghetto parallels the Nazi anti-Jewish policy. Similarly, many named Marleyans and Eldians have Germanic names.
 * The relationship between the Marleyans and the Eldians features many real-world reflections of Nazi Germany and the Jews.  Like Jews living in pre-WWII Nazi Germany, the Eldians live in segregated ghettos, forced to wear star-emblemed upper armbands to distinguish them from non-Eldians, suffer severe discrimination with frequent comparisons to demonic entities, and face constant calls to be exterminated. The Germanic-traits of the culture as well as most of Marley's and Paradis Island's inhabitants reinforce these strong similarities.

The wiki even says that Marley are not Nazis, just sharing similarities with them. How could you not make the difference? A toddler could make it. Something inspired by X =/= X. That's so simple, I can't understand how you can't understand it. It's a concept I shouldn't even need to explain.

If you really want to say they're Nazis, then say they're Nazi-like, which would be more relevant.

Oh and sorryyyyyyyyy for not being a fan of History and making mistakes about it. (No, I'm not sorry, I don't care, doesn't change my point in any way)