Board Thread:Shingeki no Kyojin Wiki/@comment-5774380-20150322152908/@comment-424719-20150322190306

Ah Manuel, I am actually incredibly pleased that you posted this and are responding in such a way. As you may or may not have read, I have constantly announced my preference for open dialogue and discussion, not community votes. Truth is, I hate doing them and I consider them as a last resort. With that being said, let the grand debate about my actions and intentions start, because I will continue this as long as you seem receptive and willing to change your position.

I would like to make a small note before beginning, Manuel, though I value you as a friend and all that, you need to realize that a lot of action went on behind the scenes on the wiki. Hfc2x, Gourgeist, and I have more or less become the three users doing 90% of the work on the wiki and made a lot of important decisions over Skype. This method is wrong; I don’t endorse it, and would heavily advise against it. However, the past is the past and we must acknowledge what happened. With that being said, you were not party to these discussions and have only seen the surface of our interactions. Remember this, as it will be important later.

I don’t believe that having more than x number of edits makes you admin material. As you may or may not have noticed, you also need:

You need to be among the best contributors to the wiki, and I was either 1 or 2 with Gourgiest claiming the other spot. I deserved the rank based on my actions and the state the wiki was in. Having the correct number of edits makes you eligible to be considered for the position, if you don’t meet those requirements you cannot be considered for the position. I value you, but you do not have a strong and consistent history of contributing since you were inactive for a long time after you made an account, and was only recently editing when you made the request. You speak of me jumping the gun and trying to demote hfc2x? You were barely editing consistently for a week and jumped right up to admin.
 * Strong and consistent history of contributions, though quality is more important than quantity
 * History of anti-vandalism and corrective work — undoing or reporting vandalism, or both
 * No history of serious blocks due to vandalism or sockpuppetry

Yes, you are correct that the decision of promotion and demotion rests in the hands of the bureaucrat. The criteria I listed above are the only requirements to for the position, along with having 1000 edits in order to make a request. You made a request for admin when you had 50~ edits, which is blatantly illegal. I use that word a lot, because it describes the actions of hfc2x and NeoSuperior. They break laws we have here and that is a textbook definition of an illegal action.

The first point is not contradictory and is perfectly supported by the evidence we have available. Every sign was that hfc2x was not going to promote me solely because he didn’t like me, even acknowledging that I was the leading candidate for bureaucrat. He was promoted in spite of his personal feelings and needed to be convinced by Gourgiest. This is not how a bureaucrat should be making decisions, I took that judgement and all I did was present it to the community and asked for them to remove hfc2x.

You have misinterpreted the second point, which makes me question how closely you read all this information. Gourgiest wanted to create a list of minor characters and I felt we needed to have the most experienced user weigh in on it, thus hfc2x. He made horrid points and had no interest in discussing the list, and what was his reason? He didn’t like me and the proof of all this is in my first proposal against him. I admitted that not all decisions have to be taken by all admins. I had great versatility and decision making in my time as admin, but I sought to forego it due to the sensitive matter of what I was proposing. One user crafting the manual of style I don’t feel is right. This is a case where you didn’t see the behind the scenes action when I presented a draft of my changes and was brushed off by hfc2x. The point is that hfc2x was ignoring all my attempts at compromise and discussion, when he shouldn’t have been. In my opinion we could not continue with him as a bureaucrat.

Being semi-active was only part of my reasons for asking the community to remove him. Not sure why this Jo4n thing is included, she is in no way similar to hfc2x.

The abuse suffered was not the primary reason and how you came to that conclusion is beyond me. I never tried to disguise the fact that his abuse was all off-site. I argued that such abuse is not the kind of attitude we want to see in our bureaucrat, and asked the community to remove him based on the things he said. I was not the only user bullied; Gourgiest was as well and has personally admitted to me since that he felt very bullied and abused by hfc2x. Consistently and harshly talking bad about your fellow contributors and having no regrets is not a sign of a good bureaucrat. If you think so, replicate his actions and see if you can get promoted to his position on another wiki. If it’s run properly, you won’t be able to do. And yes, the rules of the wiki do only apply to the wiki, but this was beyond the rules of wikia, which don’t govern everything we do. We are given wide and clear credence to run these things internally, and my proposal was exactly that.

I will personally show you the email I received from Sean McGilvray, a staff member at Wikia, before I proposed to remove hfc2x. It detailed all of these things which is why I have been constantly saying it. If you don’t like the method, speak with them, not me. I follow their method because it is the only way they will intervene on community discussions.

These are not ‘my version of events,’ this is literally what happened and you can read about it in my proposals. Hfc2x did all the things I described, as well as Neo. Even if that were not true, and it is, I offered both of them every opportunity to say this is not the way things happened and neither of them did. They both retreated away from open dialogue and discussion because they either don’t care or knew I was right. Everything I said was the truth and not solely my point of view, and I invite anyone to challenge this.

I continue to believe in the community and let me get this out of the way by saying that my siblings are members of this community. They have a right to an opinion just like everyone else. Jinx has spent countless hours improving the wiki and recently climbed aboe 800. I have offered to prove our uniqueness tons of times so saying they are puppets is just ignoring my claim. My community discussions are completely fair and I would not complain about the method were it turned on me. I can’t force people to vote so the fact that so few users care to read my proposals and take a stance is not my problem.

Don’t presume why xGlass made the rules and what his intentions were, that is an assumption. We go based off what he wrote, not what we think his intentions were. I didn’t believe that NeoSuperior was illegal promoted, he was, it’s a fact. The rules are clearly stated and he, being a long-time member, knew these very well, but ignored them for the simple goal to spite me. He didn’t meet the requirements and the method for electing a bureaucrat was completely ignored by him anyway.

You can’t ignore the rules just because the only eligible user for bureaucrat is me. The rules are the rules, and while they might be restrictive, we need to follow them. I propose several rule changes accounting for situations like this, but not now. These are the rules we have and we must follow them since they led us to this situation. By acknowledging these rules, you have just admitted that you are in violation of them in your reign as bureaucrat, and even proposed to alter them in your favor – to avoid work and responsibility on your part. This is not the place to complain about how the rules are unfair and unjust, as they govern us. They must be respected and can’t simply be “changed” for the benefit of one party.

You know why I involve the community? This is a democracy and they have a right to express their opinions. I’m tired of this string of abusive bureaucrats who decide things behind the scenes without involving anyone. If you have read my proposal to remove hfc2x, you would know that I detest breaking privacy and pleaded, literally, with hfc2x to not make me do it. I do not manipulate the process, this is patently untrue. I never prevented anyone from voting; I encouraged it by reaching out to others off-the-site and responding to every comment made. The only person who closed down voting was Neo, not me. My reasons for wanting to block these members are not trivial in the slightest, as they reflect serious abuses which I assume is the reason you did not breakdown my proposal to remove Neo, because it is in the right.

With that being said, let’s look into the reasons I call for your removal. I proposed to the community to remove hfc2x for abuse and obnoxious ignorance of the rules. In response, he illegally promoted NeoSuperior, and Neo was also unqualified for this position. Neo then blocked me for starting a community discussion and demoted me from a position I fairly obtained, the last fairly obtained position on this wiki. He took power away from the community by closing the vote early and not putting up the second one. After a staff member unblocked me, I detailed these abuses against him and he posted once then disappeared, until he came back a week later and closed the vote again, despite a warning from staff. You were then illegally promoted to admin and bureaucrat, neither of which you qualify for in any way, making you an illegitimate bureaucrat through and through. The request you made to become admin was also illegal, as you need 1000 edits to request the rights.

<p class="MsoNormal">That is why I call for your demotion; you are the end product of a gigantic mess of abusive bureaucrats who ignored the rules and made this wiki damaged based on personal feelings. By maintaining your illegally gained position you are flouting our rules. If you respect the rules then please, step down from your position and gain them fairly, not through the likes of NeoSuperior. You were promoted out of spite and cowardice on Neo’s part. He hated me and my ideas which is why he would never engage in a proper debate with me, because he knew his actions were wrong and he didn’t have a chance. <p class="MsoNormal">A while ago, while this mess continued after he left, Gourgiest has approached me about the situation and admitted wrongdoing by supporting a negligent and hateful bureaucrat. He now supports me because he has experience with me, as we have worked together by spending sleepless nights writing entire new chapter summaries and blog posts and running a wiki in which hfc2x abandoned. Gourgeist, the user who falsely posted an edited screenshot in order to out me as a liar. In response I defended myself with more screenshots and Gourgiest was blocked. He is, like me, among the best contributors to this wiki and had been working to improve it for even longer than myself. After realizing who he was defending and the wrongdoing of his actions, he expressed profound guilt and apologized. If you truly wish to hear the whole story I request you unblock him, as he was one of the 3 users party to our conversations, in fact, he was the go-between since hfc2x blocked me. He has moved beyond blind rage (in his very own words) and now supports my cause because he respects the rules and the process, and knows that my history of contributions to the wiki makes me more suitable to guide it than anyone else, as I did while I was an administrator. We can have a debate about old bureaucrats and I’m happy to do it. This, however, is not about that, and you need to step down for the reasons mentioned above. You were illegally promoted by an illegal bureaucrat who completely ignored our process to promote a user who wildly did not qualify.