Board Thread:Manga/@comment-34196931-20190808205129/@comment-8458738-20190830153605

Cheng The Nerd wrote: Penguinluver1431 wrote: Tdfern14 wrote: Penguinluver1431 wrote: Tdfern14 wrote: Penguinluver1431 wrote:

Cheng The Nerd wrote: but what are the odd of Zeke even having a change of heart when he and eren walk though grisha's memories? the way i see it, zeke might see that grisha did learn his lesson and still thought about him and dina as well as regretting using him as a tool for his ideology, i still see him still going ahead with his euthanasia plan.

who knows, maybe whatever the yeagerbros will see in the memories will give zeke more reasons and motivation to carry out the euthanasia plan and at this point there wont be anything eren might do to stop him unless he has to resort to killing him. Agreed, redemption arcs are so overdone these days, people forget that it's entirely possible to have complex villains without redeeming them. I agree that Zeke being redeemed would ruin his character. Complex villains without redeeming them? Liken what or who for example? The majority of GoT characters, Azula from Avatar, most of the main villains from Legend of Korra, some villains from One Piece, and Zeke from our very own AoT, provided Isayama doesn't pull a Naruto and give redemption arcs to every villain just because they're "misunderstood" Okay like Amon and Zaheer, and Blackbeard & Akainu, right?

but while Zeke isn't misunderstood per say but his perception is a bit skewered, he just doesn't see the entire picture from Eren's side of the spectrum. It's good to have both perspectives. Amon and Zaheer yes, and a little bit of Blackbeard, but as far as the Admirals go I'm thinking Aokiji is more complex than Akainu since the latter is very narrow-minded in his views of absolute justice while Aokiji bounces around based on his circumstances.

As for Zeke, I'm not against seeing both of their perspectives, but what I don't want is some sappy monologue from Eren, or some other hero, and have that be all it takes for Zeke to be all like "omg I was wrong, i see the light now!" like so many other anime and manga have done. yeah. it will be too cliche and i doubt if Isayama himself is for that whole redemption issue seeing what happened to people like Annie, Rod, Bertoldt and Porco.

these homies were more or less the victims of manipulation and ideology of the society they belong to and were the ones who believed they were doing the right thing (Porco) or didnt have much of a choice (Bertoldt and Annie) but they werent giving a redemption and i'm okay with it tbh.

And thinking realistically, people like reiner and zeke are beyond and far from the point of redemption because they're too bent on their what they believe in and think is right. so the chance of zeke euthanising the eldians is still there, zeke might find more reasons to euthanise th eldians in the trip down memory lane. If it is not redemption, then what should be, penance?