Talk:Die Flügel der Freiheit

Hey I'm not German but doesn't this part: " Dies ist das erste Gloria." mean: "This is the first victory" ?

09:52, July 18, 2013 (UTC)Don´t waste my time with rubbish.

Hey. I'm German and I hope you don't mind my terrible wirting style, since my written English is not that good. Well, your translation as such is more or less correct. However in German you would not say "Dies ist das erste Gloria". I'd rather think that before "Gloria" a comma is missing and that "das" has to be changed to "der".

 "Dies ist der erste, Gloria!" Sounds in my ears ways better, because now this sentence can be related to the sentence before. So "der" is related to "Sieg". ---> It's "der Sieg"

 My opinion is that "Gloria" is just an exclamation like "Hooray", since "Gloria" is something religous. Gloria = glory

Delphinium (talk) 12:56, July 22, 2013 (UTC) Delphinium



I just noticed that there is still a lot room for improvement for the Jiyuu no Tsubasa page. The lyrics are missing the last German part and there are few mistakes with other German parts that I noticed. If I find the time, I can make a few improvements myself, I am still unsure though, if the very last line is "Der feind ist grausam" or "Die Flügel der Freiheit".

NeoSuperior (talk) 21:38, July 26, 2013 (UTC)



Regarding the booklet
We base almost all of the lyrics on the booklet, which has reduced the amounts of "edit wars" a lot, which should be a got thing. Sadly I realized that the booklet itself is a problem, escpacially for the english translation.

There are 3 possibilities:

1. The booklet itself has mistakes in it, which would be a huge problem as its rank as an "official source" would be damaged. (This includes any notable mistranslations of the German parts, but not the small grammatical mistakes)

2. The people who transferred the Kanji from the booklet to the wikia have made mistakes because of either misreading the kanji or because the kanji is unreadable (only applies to people who use the LQ scan instead of the original)

3. The scans of the booklet is fake and it was just photoshopped. (very unlikely, but still would be nice if someone could CONFIRM ITS PHYSICAL EXISTENCE)



So what is the problem?

Well I give an example: In the Kanji version of this wikia there is: 唄うのは《希望（Lied）》 but in the booklet it is just 唄うのは《希望》 (assuming that those who transferred the kanji from the booklet to the wikia didn't make a mistake). So what is the problem?

While I only know the absolute smallest basics about Japanease, I know how to use online dictionaries. (Yes it isn't just google translate) So 希望 is pronounced "kibo" and means "hope". In German "kibo" would be "Hoffnung". But as was noted in the Romaji lyrics, neither "kibo" nor "Hoffnung" are being sung. Instead it is the German word "Lied" (or something similar). "Lied" translated means "song".

So my question is, what has happened here? The official booklet says that there is supposed to be the word "hope"(唄うのは《希望》) but instead it is the word "song" (唄うのは《Lied》). So what is the English translation supposed to use here?

And this applies to other parts of the lyrics, as well!

So... what do we do now?

NeoSuperior (talk) 23:55, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what is the problem, if we really consider the booklet to be an official source and the article here contains information that clashes with it, we should just correct it. Since anyone can edit it, there's a high chance that wrong information has been added. I wish we could find an easy way to solve this, but I have zero knowledge of Japanese, lol. We could use a fluent Japanese speaker here... 00:11, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't see any problems with using the lyrics booklet as a source. You can look at photos of it if you search for 自由への進撃 (Jiyuu e no Shingeki) on google images, and it's also fairly easy to find some on tumblr. I agree that the wonky german parts might make a perfectly accurate english translation difficult, but that doesn't damage the legitimacy of the release itself...? (If I understood that correctly) I sadly don't know enough Japanese yet either, but seeing that this is still the best official source for the lyrics we have, I also think that we should edit the wikia accordingly. Minyaa (talk) 04:28, July 28, 2013 (UTC)