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ArticunaDragon101 wrote: Penguinluver1431 wrote: Freeman1378 wrote: Penguinluver1431 wrote: Freeman1378 wrote: Just some further thoughts on this chapter and who should have died in The Battle Of Liberio:

- I think that Eren's plan is to goad the world into throwing its entire military weight at Paradis so he can effectively end the conflict right now by destroying them with the wall titans thus causing the enemies of Paradis to surrender as there militaries will be devastated beyond repair and they will be scared into submission.

- Kiyomi seems to be a manipulative capitalist type who only desires the resources of Paradis which is somewhat surprising as I thought Isayama would treat her country like the Eagles in the LOTR in a daft blaze of nationalism. So even though the alliance itself was incredibly easy to see coming it's nice to see Isayama treat the situation with a sense of realism and it makes her undeniably more interesting than the one note goody two shoes that popped up a few chapters ago.

- Honestly I'm actually pleasantly surprised that I'm not alone on the Zeke hate train as I think he is a daft mix of Itachi (Naruto) and MIB/Ford (Westworld) as he is basically a beat for beat ripoff of the former (if again he is being genuine) mixed with the constant mystery boxes of the latter characters and unfortunately he doesn't have much dramatic weight to swing around in the story as either he has a woefully unearned "I was good along motivation!" which is frankly terrible (Not every character deserves redemption or to be a secretly good person something that Westworld and GOT wisely understood with the MIB and Joffery respectively) or he's going to be there to inject drama into a conflict that clearly needs some which is marginally better than the other option but still not great as it means that he still has no character outside of being a never ending mystery box.

- My final thoughts on the Battle Of Liberio is that I think that Sasha still should have died but in a more organic fashion during the battle and that Connie and Mikasa also should have croaked in this fight. My suggestion is Connie gets swapped with the no name who gets swatted by Porco, Sasha sacrifices herself to destroy Pieck's Panzer Unit/avenge Connie, and Gabi shoots Mikasa on the blimp this way the Battle truly had significant losses rather than just a no name given an important power and the highly manipulative death of Sasha. In regards to the idea that Pieck replace Sasha death in this conflict I don't think she's a big enough character to elicit a real response from the audience and I think it would be the Marley equivalent of a Mike or Nanaba dying where she has a character but also doesn't really factor into the plot past being a good soldier. Agree with Eren and Zeke, neutral on Kiyomi, but on the Battle of Liberio...nope. Nope. Nope. NOPE. Sasha should have lived, the only one who really should have died was Gabi, that's it. We've had enough of the "abandon all hope" vibe from the more recent arcs, the SC needs a complete victory for a change I guess it's just a case of different strokes for different folks as I value AOT more as a high stakes thrill ride and many of the recent conflicts have been extremely one sided in the Corps favour as Neetaku and others have already eloquently stated and I feel that this was a weak attempt at trying to rectify this issue but the problem is that while I liked Sasha fine (not as much as when I first got into AOT but still perfectly fine) she's also a borderline tertiary character who felt like she was lost in the narrative for eons, so killing her doesn't feel like a seismic loss and that's why I feel like her death should have paired with Connie and an Ackermann as Connie also feels like a bystander in the narrative (hopefully Isayama uses him more since he spared him here) and losing an Ackermann would have been a truly devasting moment from a strategic point of view and an emotional moment and it would have made the Battle Of Liberio feel truly high stakes rather than a fight that just kinda happened. I liked the high stakes when it was just humans vs Titans, or even humans vs. Titans vs. Titan shifters. But once the whole Marley thing started...I dunno, things started going downhill for me from there. I still enjoy the series, but after a while, the same old thing gets tedious For me, the battle was just  boring. The parts leading up to it were interesting, but the battle itself and then sasha's death just seemed lazy. We know that mikasa, armin, eren, and a few others aren't going to die, so although I might wish for one of them to be gone, it isn't going to happen. I personally wouldve preferred armin's death, as I think it would be interesting to see levi's bitterness in regards to "erwi n's sacrifice was for nothing", and also making the battle way more impactful. I agree that the battle was executed weakly due to the weak stakes (seriously 8 people lost on the Corps side like that's just ridiculous even the goddamn extras have developed plot armour!) and how much of a joke the War Hammer was like watching Ms.Tybur fighting Mikasa wasn't exhilirating or visually dynamic it was just kinda sad. Also great kill choice in Armin as I think he should still be on the chopping block as I found him incredibly boring in his last couple of appearances and I'm still a bit miffed that he got deus ex machina-ed back to life as honestly that was the perfect moment for him to leave the story as it was the culmination of his entire arc but these days he just exists to be a foil to Eren (which Jean already does perfectly fine) and it feels like he has tumbled all the way back to the Trost arc in terms of his character when he was a spineless coward. Even as much as the end of the Marley arc and beginning of this arc have been thoroughly mediocre nothing beats Armin avoiding death as the manga's worst hour and I hope to dear god that is one of the mistakes Isayama wants to rectify in S3 of the anime.