Talk:Eren Yeager

Eren's description
Someone please change the description about Eren, he's my favorite character and when I see his description.. well, no words can express my anger..

36.74.22.186 06:47, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Eren's surname
Can we get some continuity with the surname? I mean, my personal preference would be to go with Jaeger, since I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be Jaeger as in hunter - Yeager just seems to be a poor romanisation of a japan-ised (if there's a proper word for this, I forget it) version of Jaeger - would it not make more sense to stick with the german word that it came from? Anyways, I digress; whether Yeager or Jaeger is used, we can't have both in the same article, it's just messy. 217.115.10.134 01:51, June 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Jaeger makes a thousant times more sense. Even right there on the trivia, a reference to Jager, the word for hunter. For people unfamilar with Gemran, the letter J is pronounced as Y. Eren is apparently supposed to be of German origin. Yeager is not a true German surname. It's a version of Jager / Jaeger transcribed for immgirants preferring to have their surname misspelled rather than mispronounced. Essentially, it is American, not German, and very uncommon, to boot. My own real life surname suffered the same changes with immigration to the US from Germany, actually. Jaeger or even Jäger would make much more sense, all things considered. There's no reason for it to be Yeager. The ugliest titan (talk) 23:22, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, at this point I don't think it's about our preferences. While I'd prefer Jaeger myself as well, we have been provided with Yeager from what seems to be an official source and thus it means that they intended it to be that way, even if it makes no sense when we look at it from German's point of view. 09:33, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Kondansha USA, which is the so-called "official source" is not really a deciding factor... Sure they can use "Yeager" in their dubs, but is that really enough to make it "official"? They are official when it comes to the localized American version of Attack on Titan, but not to the original Japanease or the rest of the world. Also don't forget how the Americans like to "americanize" names all the time. I think the Japanease opening theme is way more "official" for this case and it really strongly suggest that the name is supposed to be Jäger. So I'd really like someone to explain how a company that is merely doing localizations for an anime adaption(!) of a manga to be called an official source for both the original manga and the Japanease anime. Of course if you find me a (legit) source from the Mangaka that without a doubt states that Eren's Surname is "Yeager" then I will accept it. But to use Kodansha USA alone as a source is not enough.

NeoSuperior (talk) 13:43, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I completely agree with your view on Kodansha's translations, however, in this case, they weren't the source for this name change. Check this for more info 15:01, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Whose twitter page is that? NeoSuperior (talk) 17:07, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

Should be official SnK twitter 17:40, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I ment, is it the "official manga twitter" or the "official anime twitter"? I know this looks like nitpicking, but after seeing that most of the cast have German names, it seem very strange if the protagonist suddenly has an americanized name. Espacially if you consider that the first opening played around with the word "Jäger" so much, it makes me very sceptical about Eren's Surname being "Yeager". Well for me personally any source about Eren's name that was not created by Hajime Isayama himself or evidently asked by him to create, is void. But of course if the admins of the SnK-wikia have a different stance about that, then there is nothing i can do.

NeoSuperior (talk) 18:11, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

I believe it is the website for manga, that twitter profile contains a link to this website, the anime website is this one. Also, once again I completely agree that unless it's done by Isayama, I wouldn't consider it official but at this point all we have it that tweet, so unless it's somehow proven/decided that it's incorrect, we're gonna have to keep Yeager. 18:58, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

OK, I found something interesting: On a radar chart on crunchyroll's website, you can clearly see the name "Jäger". Crunchyroll states the charts are supposed to be part of a "guidebook" and yaraon is the suposed source for the picture scans and from then on everything is in Japanease, so I am at a dead end. I would be glad if someone could backtrack the source a bit further, so we have clarity regarding these radar charts. Also as further down in this discussion is visible, these charts contradict the stats we have on this wikia, so I'd also like someone to check that as well. NeoSuperior (talk) 16:21, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

As far as the stats go, I've seen them being edited numerous times by random anons so I don't think I'd be far from truth if I said that they had edited them to their likings. And yay, another name we can go with. T_T Why can't just the manga authors officially provide the romanizations for us. Would make our lives easier. Anyway, is that really from 'official guidebook' written by the author? This needs checking, I wish I knew enough Japanese to do that... Either way, we need to each some consensus otherwise this will go on as a never ending story. 18:11, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

I couldn't wait for someone to start translating so I went ahead and put the content of the tweet that started this whole disaster

"進撃キャラの英語表記. よく質問をいただくので、お答えします. 「Eren Yeager」「Mikasa Ackerman」「Armin Arlert」「Levi」でございます. "

into google translate, which returned this:

"English representation of the character advance. So get a good question, I answer. "Eren Yeager," "Mikasa Ackerman", "Armin Arlert" there is "Levi"."'

Of course since this is just google translate, I cannot trust it completely, but according to this, he could just be quoting the "English version" (the manga is being released in the USA since 2012 and this tweet was done in May 2013, but the Japanease people maybe didn't know what was used in the official American translation then and I think it is very unlikely that he would officially contradict the American localisation), which would lead us back to the question, is Kodansha USA alone a valid source? Of course it is only possible to reason like that if you use my interpretation of that tweet, but until we get a 1:1 translation of that tweet (and of the yaraon page as well), we are stuck at this point.

I also thought about why Kodansha USA would want to change the name if it actually was "Jäger" aside from "simply americanizing it", and I actually found a valid reason! You could say it is exactly the same reason, why the name "Yeager" was invented at all! It was invented because immigrants from Germany to USA would rather have their names misspellled than mispronounced. The same could be the case here. Since they only tranlate the manga (the anime didn't even exist yet when the first volume was released in the USA), the readers could have easily mispronounced "Jäger" as Jagger or something alike. This wouldn't have been a problem if it was an anime, as the audience could easily hear the pronunciation then, but with a manga that is not possible.

Also regarding "Jäger" being a new possibility: It is actually not. Jaeger and Jäger are essentially the same in German. Their pronunciation is identical. You usually write "Jäger", but in some cases, for example if you don't have a qwertz-keyboard that includes the letter "ä", or when you solve a crossword puzzle, then you write "Jaeger". That is also the case with any other word that uses "ä" and it also applies to "ö" which becomes "oe", or "ü" which becomes "ue".

NeoSuperior (talk) 22:39, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, it technically is a new possibility as it's a different spelling after all. Whether it's Jäger, Jaeger or Yeager, they're all pronounced the same and mean the same, that being イェーガー.

About your google translation, it can be interpreted in many ways, it may as well be saying that it is indeed the official spelling. Whether the romanization came from Kodansha or Isayama himself doesn't seem to be mentioned in the post, though.

So, let me summarize what we have; Kodansha and this Twitter post claims Yeager to be the correct one, while Jaeger (or Jäger) has been widely accepted as his surname by fans, it is being used in non-fansubs (Crunchyroll) and manga scanslations. It also makes more sense German-wise, however, we shouldn't base things on this as foreign people tend to mis-use other foreign languages; I'm looking at you Tite Kubo and your oh-so-awesome English Bleach chapter titles that made no sense whatsoever, apparently the author just thought it sounded cool. What I'm saying is that Yeager may be official the same way as the German lyrics of the anime opening are gramatically incorrect.

So yeah. 23:40, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Human translation of the tweet (Done by me):

"The English notation of Shingeki characters. I often get asked this qustion. My answer is, 'Eren Yeager', 'Mikasa Ackerman', 'Armin Arlelt' and 'Levi'."

On a side note. I wonder, if someone sends him a tweet informing him of the correct spelling of Jäger, would he change it. 90.205.24.179 03:11, August 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Something interesting that I found in the 1st opening theme's full version: "[...]Jouheki no sono kanata emono o hofuru Jäger[...]Ubawareta sono chihei sekai o nozomu Eren[...]". I guess at least REVO considers the right spelling to be  Eren Jäger. I still have not seen anyone deny the possibility that Isayama's Editor was simply telling the Japanease people what notation is used in the English Kodansha translation, which if you imagined it being about Pokemon could mean "Ash Ketchum is the English notation of Satoshi". Do you understand what I mean? It can be interpreted either way. Of course I could be horribly wrong as well and REVO is wrong and like Mikos suggested, the names are a failure of an attempt at "Gerpanease" by Isayama. NeoSuperior (talk) 14:50, September 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeager is used by several sources that can be considered official, including the official SnK Twitter and Kodansha. It shouldn't be disregarded simply because people think the translation is wrong. That is how they translated it and is thus the official translation.

Bentheechidna (talk) 14:24, October 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * To be fair, "Yeager" is just the American variation of Jaeger, which is derived from Jäger, so it's not like anything huge was lost by using that spelling. DementedP (talk) 19:32, September 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not sure if you've noticed but Eren is most likely if not clearly German and not of any English speaking country (i.e US and UK). Moreover, we've said this in the past but we use FUNimation translations due to the fact Kondansha have been proven to be unreliable with names it the past (mainly the name of Wall Rose which varies from Rosa to Rosaline in different volumes). So PLEASE stop renaming the page.  Eren Jäger is final unless proven otherwise by FUNimation or Isayama himself.  <span style="font-size: 12px; border:1px outset silver; font-family:Calibri; padding:1px; border-top-left-radius:0.6em;border-top-right-radius:0em;border-bottom-right-radius:0em;border-bottom-left-radius:0.6em; background:-moz-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black);background: -webkit-gradient(linear,top, hotpink, purple); background: -webkit-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black); background: -o-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black); background: -ms-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black); background: linear-gradient(to bottom, #1F1D1E, black);-moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em purple; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black;"> http://images.wikia.com/zetsubou/images/thumb/0/0f/GSCB.png/45px-GSCB.png Reflection  (Talk/Chat) <span style="font-size: 12px; border:1px outset silver; font-family:Calibri; padding:1px; border-radius:0em 0.6em 0.6em 0em; background:-moz-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black);background: -webkit-gradient(linear,top, hotpink, purple); background: -webkit-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black); background: -o-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black); background: -ms-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black); background: linear-gradient(to bottom, #1F1D1E, black);-moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em purple; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black;"> 15:49,10/2/2013
 * Not sure if you've noticed but Eren is most likely if not clearly German and not of any English speaking country (i.e US and UK). Moreover, we've said this in the past but we use FUNimation translations due to the fact Kondansha have been proven to be unreliable with names it the past (mainly the name of Wall Rose which varies from Rosa to Rosaline in different volumes). So PLEASE stop renaming the page.  Eren Jäger is final unless proven otherwise by FUNimation or Isayama himself.  <span style="font-size: 12px; border:1px outset silver; font-family:Calibri; padding:1px; border-top-left-radius:0.6em;border-top-right-radius:0em;border-bottom-right-radius:0em;border-bottom-left-radius:0.6em; background:-moz-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black);background: -webkit-gradient(linear,top, hotpink, purple); background: -webkit-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black); background: -o-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black); background: -ms-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black); background: linear-gradient(to bottom, #1F1D1E, black);-moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em purple; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black;"> http://images.wikia.com/zetsubou/images/thumb/0/0f/GSCB.png/45px-GSCB.png Reflection  (Talk/Chat) <span style="font-size: 12px; border:1px outset silver; font-family:Calibri; padding:1px; border-radius:0em 0.6em 0.6em 0em; background:-moz-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black);background: -webkit-gradient(linear,top, hotpink, purple); background: -webkit-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black); background: -o-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black); background: -ms-linear-gradient(top, #1F1D1E, black); background: linear-gradient(to bottom, #1F1D1E, black);-moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em purple; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black;"> 15:49,10/2/2013


 * That is so stupid. You're saying FUNimation is more qualified than the official licensor of Attack on Titan, Kodansha, as well as the official twitter. This is the same as the people who refuse to call the series "Attack on Titan" and call it "The Eotena Assault" and use "Eoten" instead of "Titan", because they think Isayama isn't qualified to choose the name.
 * Bentheechidna (talk) 16:19, October 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Its not stupid, I'd rather Yeager is the English version of  Jäger. Like with the anime openings and most other surnames used in the wiki (see Sasha and Erwin) we like to stick the the German translation considering that's where they're from. And of course I trust FUNimation more than Kodansha. Reason being they have the licence for it, moreover, Kodansha have been proven to be unreliable in the past.

Battle Skill
Eren's Battle Skills do not match upto Annie's, Mikasa's or Reiner's. He shouldn't be given a 10/10 in battle skill.

-Unsigned

Those are official stats, from what I understand. And besides that, he is stated to have the best hand-to-hand combat skills out of the entire class. He's defeated Annie and Reiner in battle, and.....well...Mikasa is second only to Levi in the cast. Harostar (talk) 07:09, July 1, 2013 (UTC)

Those are official stats, and they give Eren a 9 out of 10 in Battle Skills/Combat (the same rating as Reiner, Bertholdt and Jean). Annie and Mikasa are the only once in the 104th who have a 10 out of 10 in Battle skills.

Eren ranking in Intelligence is 3/10.

-Unsigned

"Official" name to Eren's Titan.
In an event in Japan, Eren's titan got an "official" name, given by the Manga's writer, Hajime Isayama.

He is now to be reffered to as "Power Titan", due to the raw power and resilience of that form.

Interviewer: I personally like the fact that some titans have their specific denominations, it makes them look even more epic.

Hajime Isayama: Yes. Although the visuals are what discern them the most, "Armor Titan" sounds much more like something they would come up with.

IT: However, there's a titan that still has no specific name, Eren's. Do you have any denominations to share?

HI: I thought about naming him "Hero Titan", but that is a little too enthusiastic and off tone for a titan that's been defeated so many times (laughs). I like calling him "Power Titan" better, because his attacks are really strong and he resists a lot of blows, too.

IT: So, are we also allowed to refer to him as "Power Titan"? Or is that something you'd like to keep as your personal nickname?

HI: It sounds a lot better than Eren Titan (Laugh), so go right ahead!

Vermillionzetta (talk) 03:48, July 3, 2013 (UTC)VermillionZetta

May I know your source for this? ;o Could be used as a reference. 08:37, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Eren's passion on his Statistics
When I was looking at Eren's Statistics onhttp://indulging-inaccuracy.tumblr.com/post/49673140889/official-stats-taken-from-the-character-guide, his passion doesn't seem to pass beyond the line it seems similar for instance looking at Mikasa's combat. If this is the case should Eren have is passion be 10/10 instead of 12/10. I think that 12/10 seems a bit off with Eren.Jennicious (talk) 08:37, October 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * You are absolutely right. The user San&Ashitaka vandalised the page without anyone noticing. That user also changed Eren's "teamwork" from 5 to 4. I'll revise that. NeoSuperior (talk) 11:48, October 1, 2013 (UTC)