Board Thread:Manga/@comment-27321453-20200408113657/@comment-45387321-20200526082458

Attackcjc wrote: Eden Ushinatta wrote: Attackcjc wrote: Eden Ushinatta wrote: Your "facts" aren't as factual you make them sound. Sure Hanje may know geography well, but she didn't say she knew for sure that she knows Eren is destroying Marley currently. All we got there is a literal smokescreen, so yes its up for debate, and so far, the only people saying this is "confirmation" are those who just called Eren a "villain" for no good reason for 2 years now. Magath isn't proof either, as he's only going off her words, and he doesn't know anything either. In fact, he didn't know how to act with the people around him until recently, so he's not necessarily "proof" either. So yeah, for the most part, Hanje's speculations are correct, but she can be wrong, and Isayama was careful to write her having a PREDICTION, not saying for a fact that Eren started destroying Marley which is what ur trying to insinuate here. She only made an educated guess, which she can be wrong about, its not like she was using a telescope or something.

But I'm glad you brought up the final exhbition here. We heard two things around when Armin called for Eren, 1) 3dmg 2) A train. So either way, it sounds like Eren is out of his titan form. It all still doesn't change the fact that we still have to see his perspective and have a ton of questions answered about Eren. NOTHING about him being "the final villain" as many called him made sense, just calling it how it is lol so keep that in mind going forward in case it turned out that Isayama tricked you here. That's exactly what Hange said. She said that she saw the titans moving off the shore and based on their speed, they have already reached Marley. Nothing is up for debate concerning Eren's actions. He released the colossals and sent them to murder the entire world. And this chapter confirmed that the slaughter her already started. I really wonder what part of her dialogue portrayed her words as a mere "prediction" as you say. Because it sure as hell didn't seem like that to me.

Anyway, even if Hange is not 100% sure, Floch is. The only reason he placed explosives on the Azumabito plane was the fact that it is the only way the SC have to reach Eren and stop him. If Eren wasn't there, he could have just let them take the plane, leave them searching for Eren hopelessly, only to run out of fuels. But no, he now leads an attack against them. Since Floch arrived there earlier than Hange, it is possible that he saw things clearer. And what did he say? "Just look at that steam. I doubt history has ever changed in one day as dramatically as it will today".

Seeing how everyone who knows a thing about titans and Eren is very certain of what he's doing, i can't understand how you think that Isayama is playing tricks here. What is it you are even trying to argue? That Eren doesn't want to end the world? Then what has he been up to all this time? Where did the colossals go? Where does that steam come from?

Now, regarding the Final Exhibition, where was it that you specifically heard a train? Because i didn't hear that. 3DMG sound and Armin are obvious, but a train? The SC need a plane to reach Eren, that's the whole point here.

If anything, you are the one speculating here. I'm stating facts. You are just trying to believe that Eren is not a villain. Fine, i never said he was, nor do i believe he is. It's you who can't handle Eren murdering the world, when that's what he's clearly been trying to do. And i seriously doubt that his POV will change that. The reason I'm speculating is that Eren as a "villain" never added up, and the stuff he said only proved it. Like anything he said, most readers would be reasonable and realize, nah that smells fishy. As for Hanje, she said "judging by their speed" and based on where she sees the steam. She doesn't know for sure what's going on all the way over there. She didn't say "Those cities are destroyed now", she said "Judging by where they seem to be based off where the smoke is coming from, the cities MUST"VE been destroyed by now". She didn't make a factual observation, but a strong educated guess, and its not even like she was going off on black smoke from fire, she was going simply off steam, which could just be a smokescreen so to speak.

But in all honesty, this has nothing to do with me not wanting Eren to be "bad" or whatever. Its an understatement he's been demonized for the wrong reasons since chp 100, just like he got hated on for the wrong reasons before that, so this is nothing new really lol but the reason why I'm speculating that we're in for a twist, and most agreed on this, is because Eren murdering the world goes against his development, along with some beliefs he's had since the beginning. The only people who tried to make the case are people who ignored his development and just wanted him to die off or something. Quite frankly, I didn't like the damage he caused in Marley around chp 100, but I understood the bigger picture and I respect him for making the tought decision, yet the people I mentioned here thought he did it out of "vengeance" which wasn't a factor there AT ALL. People immediately went crazy about Eren "being the villain" immediately, and their "logic" never held up. It was always clear he was up to something else, something more akin to ending the war cycle and gaining freedom as opposed to destroying the world, and may I add, my arguments held up better than the opposite side.

But I can tell you don't fall in the same category as them, even if you share their view of Eren currently. You're 100% right that Eren being the villain here is stupid as it won't lead to peace collectively. I figured that out immediately so he has to be up to something else, as he's shown more than enough depth and open-mindedness before all this villain bullshit started for him to be this shallow now. We might not see eye to eye completely, but we agree on enough here, so I'll leave you to your theories instead of disproving them. I agree that Eren is not the villain. It seems that our difference here is in our beliefs concerning what he wants to do right now. I believe that he wants to murder the entire world. Not saying he is right or wrong, it's what he deems necessary. Frankly, even though i support the Alliance, i think Eren has the "best" permanent solution to the problem of Paradis being demolished by other nations.

Anyway, what is it that you think Eren is up to? My theory on what he is up to is that he wants Marley to realize that they have been misguided into demonizing them. Not to make it sound like the code geass route, but I believe he wants to push the Marley characters, some of whom he knows to know the truth like Reiner and Falco, to get talking with his friends and come to a peaceful understanding. I guess he decided the only thing to stop the fighting and get them talking, otherwise Marley would be dead set on destroying them, which they already were before Eren's Liberio attack. I think he is making them think he will genocide the world, only to then show that he was bluffing the attack, as not simply a show of force, but to also show that he is a "devil" with self-restraint, which is contrary to what Marley and the rest of the world was led to believe. As I pointed out before, Eren has shown enough depth to disprove him destroying the world, whom he said is full of people like him, not enemies so his whole view at the end of season 3 evolved and most who call him a villain conveniently missed that lol and its like you said, him destroying the world won't solve anything, nor would setting himself up to be stopped either, so I'm sure he has a trick up his sleeve.

Also I forgot to answer you, in the final exhbition, if you listen between the 3dmg and Armin calling out, there's a sound that sounds like a train running. Ah, i see now. But, if this were the case, why would he push Mikasa and Armin away from him in such a manner? He even told Louise to throw Mikasa's scarf away. From what you've wrote it doesn't seem to me like you think that his endgame requires him getting sacrificed (i agree with you, Code Geass route is BS). If this was really what he wanted to do, there would be no need for him to cut ties with them. If his plan was just making Paradis and Marley talk, then all this drama was unnecessary.

Not to mention that the whole "talking" thing is Armin's character arc, not Eren's. It would be redundant for Isayama to give these 2 the same mindset and it would render their ideological arguments meaningless and cheap drama.

Also, it seems like you don't remember it, but Marley's treatment of Eldians is far better than that of other countries. Marley alone isn't the problem. Just a fraction of it. And Eren's actions up to now show how little self-restraint he has. He murdered innocents in Liberio and the Yeagerists did the same as well. To the rest of the world, the words of a mass-murderer who casually destroyed the walls and released the colossal titans, even if he was bluffing at the time, should mean nothing. Now that they know how real the threat of Paradis is, they would surely try to develop weapons to annihilate them all.

As such, genociding the entire world is the most effective way to eliminate the danger of the people of Paradis being wiped out from the face of the earth in a war against the world. Does it eliminate violence completely? No. It doesn't. Not at all. But does it matter? No. Because, in the end, as long as it's simply the paradisians who exist, even if a war were to break to out, it would only be between them. Which means that in the end paradisians will still be standing.