Board Thread:Manga/@comment-26056057-20160509020829/@comment-24407809-20160509050003

Tausendberg wrote: Neetaku wrote:

I disagree with this part of your analysis. Let me ask you, have you ever tried to swat a fly but you couldn't hit it to save your life? I feel that's the same reason Zeke just had no chance against Levi for the same reason you never manage to hit that fly with your bare hand... Levi is just the right combination of too small, too fast, and too unpredictable for someone who has no experience fighting an ODMG user in titan form to be able to hit. Remember, when Levi is in the zone, he is crazy fast.
 * Con: Levi and Zeke's much-hyped fight is... very anti-climactic. Hell, even Annie held her own for a little bit, but Zeke is decidedly helpless. Now, I spent a long time after seeing this sequence trying to reconcile this portrayal of Zeke's abilities with previous depictions: "Well, we've only ever seen Zeke kills people from far away with projectiles, so maybe he's just not a good hand-to-hand fighter"; but then I remembered that in Chapter 70, Zeke defeated the Armored Titan in battle without breaking a sweat. And I know he didn't just beat him by throwing rocks... So what this entire sequence ends up being is, rather than a legitimate fight between two certified badasses, just a few pages of fanservice, in which Isayama draws what most fans want to see, rather than what would actually happen (mind you, I'm not saying Zeke would win in a real fight, but all previous factors indicate that he would at least hold his own)

To put it simply, I have to imagine that it's a lot easier for someone like Zeke to defeat Reiner, large and slow, than it is to kill Levi, small and very very fast. I don't think it's fan service... nothing Levi has done in this chapter is really anything he hasn't done in previous chapters other than probably beating his previous record of most 15 meter titans killed consecutively in the shortest period of time (I thought he was just going to swing from titan to titan but not Levi, nope he killed every last one of those fuckers).

Also, it's important to note that Levi basically got the drop on him, the element of surprise, which any self-defense instructor worth their salt will tell you is the main determinant of who wins most kinds of fights. It also doesn't help that Zeke somewhat panicked because instead of guarding his nape with his right hand, his best chance was to use both hands to try to fend Levi off. You make some good points (although, the only reason I can't swat flies is because the thought of touching bugs disgusts me). Levi getting the drop on Zeke and Zeke panicking are facts I should have considered (it is 1 in the morning where I live, so I'll cut myself some slack). And to your point on Levi's skill: I absolutely do not think Levi's power has been exaggerated for this fight; I think Zeke's has been down-played a bit. And, to your point about Zeke's experience with fighting 3DMG, I'd like to point out that Zeke has had possession of Mike's for, like, 50 chapters by now. It's more than likely someone of his intelligence has been studying the gear, and devising strategies to counteract it.

That's my opinion on this; If you have any other thoughts, I'd be more than happy to discuss them, but it's time for me to hit the hay tonight so I can function even a little tomorrow (or today, technically, I guess).