Talk:Reiner Braun

Personality and titan shifting sections
I removed this line from the titan shfiting section, it just doesn't seem right to me

"It's believed that the The Armored Titan is one of those capable of assuming human form at will"

i changed it into this

"The Armored Titan is capable of assuming human form at will"

Also, shoudn't we change his personality section, it makes him sound so innocent.

Silva92 (talk) 21:13, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Spoiled
well that completely spoiled things for me. I went to titans, and then armored titans, to read up on their abilities, and was redirected to this page. Instantly telling me everything I wasn't ready to know.69.59.98.19 06:50, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

I was actually coming to the talk page for this very thing. I'm new to this wiki, but was there an old page for the Armoured and Colossal titans before the reveal? I personally believe they should at least have a minimalist page referring solely to the titans themselves, with a spoiler section linking to the characters. Especially due to the anime being so far behind, people can easily search up the titans and get mad spoilage like the person above. Aetropos (talk) 12:46, June 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Don't read any wiki for anything if you don't want to be spoiled. 58.110.38.114 04:18, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Mental Struggles?
I was reading Chapter 46, and I wouldn't say that he has any sort of mental struggles like that. He and the rest seemed very stressed, yes--lots of yelling, lots of "Urrgh!" type thinking, forehead-kneading, and trouble getting things across when things heated up. However, I didn't really see anything that implied the following trivia bullet:

"In chapter 46, it is revealed that Reiner suffers serious mental problems triggered by his attachment to the others and guilt over his crimes. This has caused him to suffer disassociative episodes, where he believes himself to genuinely be a human soldier. It is not yet known when he began to experience them, leaving many of his actions in question. Bertholdt is shown to be the only person capable of bringing him out of these episodes."

I do think that he changed his aim and decided to act more as a soldier or become one entirely, but I don't think it was a matter of him deluding himself. I was reading the English translation, but I don't seriously think I could have gotten that much wrong. I'll go over it again, but I'd like to know where this idea was pulled from, specifically a page number or line, and why it apparently came from Chapter 46. Thank you. Chris (talk) 01:37, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Chris. Re-read pages 16 through 24, during which Reiner has an episode. Ymir explicitly spells it out on page 23, stating:

"You probably couldn't bear the weight of your sins, and escaped into the delusion that you were a soldier protecting the Walls. As a result, your heart split and your memories were falsified and you looked at Bertl in shock as you could no longer engage with him."

Hope that helps.

Harostar (talk) 08:47, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

- You guys are reading WAY too far into this. The answer is simply surface value: Reiner, Bertholdt and Annie were tasked or told in whatever way that if they helped the titans kill the humans or wtv then they could go back home. Having no attacthment to these people, they agreed and broke the wall. After seeing with his own eyes what he caused, he felt guilty and spent the rest of the time acting as a soldier. Simple.

We kind of have to read this much into it. Not to mention, there's no mention of BRA ever being "tasked" with anything. What you're saying isn't really holding up with the manga.Chris (talk) 18:27, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

No chris, you're commiting the most common wiki motake; speculating over nothing and then vabdalising the wiki with unproven information. You've also just shown that you dont even remember information stated in the manga, you are danegerous to this wiki.

Sexuality
The story didn't say that he is gay, he was implying he doesn't think he appears to be the type to be interested in women. That doesn't mean he's interested in men, it could simply mean he takes his duty to be more important to him than his personal interests. It could also be an early hint impling he wasn't human and thus didn't hold an interest in human women. It's since been established he has conflicting identities, it's possible one might be his human identity which cares for Crista and the other, the one not interested in women, could be his titan or "warrior" identity. Of all the possible interpretations, I think at this point, him being gay is the one with the least corroberating evidence. 58.110.38.114 04:18, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

http://papermoon2.tumblr.com/post/37701693191/nope-thats-not-a-mistranslation-but-the-joke Read it and tell me Reiner isn't gay.

98.200.140.107 08:56, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

The above link is one of several I have seen that point out what he actually stated in Japanese, but you're right in that we don't actually know. Because even though he said as much......well.....Reiner has been proven to be unreliable in several ways, between being a spy and having mental problems. He could have been lying to Ymir then. He could genuinely be gay, but Christa is someone he's found himself attracted to on some level regardless. He could be bisexual. He could have sexuality issues connected to his identity problems. Or....who knows? There are mixed messages in terms of that, so the only thing we can really take is that he claims in one conversation to be gay and also seems to crush on Christa, like everyone else in the 104th does.

Harostar (talk) 10:52, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

It's not that. Everyone likes Christa and wants to marry her. It's an ongoing joke (also a flaw) of Christa's character. Her profile on the official website for SNK even states that every male in the 104th training squad views her as an "idol, no, goddess." I mean, have you never heard a straight person saying that they'd marry someone of the same sex as an exception to their rule? It's the same thing here. We also often do that with people that we understand we have no chance with. We also have to consider the mental stability of Reiner's. He's obviously very torn apart by what's happening with Annie being gone and the appearance of the monkey titan thingy. His heart is dead set on fulfilling his job with Bert, but can't bring himself to do it because of the attachment that grew between him and the others. My personal guess is that he looks at Christa like a beacon of hope, something to look toward to even though he understands that he and her can't have anything; a fantasy to keep things from falling apart deliberately. I don't know, really. He's a really complex character from what we could see so far, going from a confident, polite, friendly guy to a scared, anxious, sensitive teddybear.

98.200.140.107 16:38, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Look. You guys are right but for the wrong reasons. Reiner is gay, but not because of some dumb offhand comment that you guys are taking way out of proportion....but because: as he constantly says, "I'm a warrior". Now who do we know that always says that? Yes...Fleece Johnson, a.k.a the BOOTY warrior... See, Bertholdt is always acting nervous around the dominant Reiner because...well...Reiner likes him...ans he wants him...and Bertholdt can either let Reiner have him the easy way...or the hard way...the choice is his.

This is a wiki for proven information, not your shipping matters or what you personally believe. Chris (talk) 18:23, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

chris: champion at missing the point

First of all, sign your posts by typing ~ at the end of your post. Second, Chris is right, this discussion shouldn't even be happening to begin with. 09:06, July 26, 2013 (UTC)