Talk:Hange Zoë


 * Archive 1

Pronouns
It is demonstrably incorrect for this article to be written with female pronouns. Isayama very deliberately left Hange's gender undefined and as such this article should use they/them/their pronouns so that viewers and readers can continue to identify with the character as they see fit. This article uses feminine pronouns even for sections which have not yet occurred in the anime, for which the manga is the sole source of canon, and thus only neutral pronouns are appropriate.While the anime does feature Hange with traditionally feminine anatomy, gender cannot be concluded from anatomy-- they're still referred to with gender-neutral Japanese pronouns as far as I'm aware.

Missbritches (talk) 10:56, June 13, 2014 (UTC)Missbritches
 * No, it is not incorrect.  h fc 2 X  22:31, June 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * The source you quote only supports what I was saying. Hange's gender is whatever you want it to be. Using feminine pronouns destroys the ambiguity that Isayama very purposefully wrote into Hange and is not canon. I urge anyone with the authority to edit this page to correct Hange's pronouns so as to be neutral, so that all nonbinary and trans individuals can continue seeing them as representation. It's important. I will gladly edit the article myself if given permission.


 * 149.175.157.147 06:44, June 15, 2014 (UTC) Missbritches


 * I don't want to dwell too much into this, as we had tons of discussions about this topic already. So I'll keep it brief: Isayama kept the gender up to interpretation (nothing less and nothing more). The anime team decided to go with the female interpretation and does not directly contradict the manga in any way by doing that (and compared to Kodansha USA, Isayama did not do anything about the anime making Hange female), so by our policy to include anime content if it does not contradict canon, we list it in our articles. Hange is no exception to this rule. NeoSuperior (talk) 17:59, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Due to the recent editing of this page, I feel we need to have a discussion. Hange's gender is left open to reader interpretation in the Manga, which we consider to be the 'A' canon. By using female pronouns we are taking a side and telling people how to interpret their gender, which we shouldn't be doing. I believe Hange should use gender neutral pronouns to allow everyone to interpret the gender however they choose.--PrelateZeratul (talk) 02:13, March 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * Take your silly political agenda off the page, the moderators already decided on it 9 months ago. To go the length of referring to Hange as "they" because you want to cram your social justice crap down everyone's throat is ridiculous, it never occurred to the author that anyone would think of Hange as anything but female until a bunch of your types pressured him into making Hange's sexuality ambiguous in the manga. The anime expands on the content of the manga and it clearly shows Hange as female and the vast majority of fans identify her as just that. Think of something better to do with your time other than being offended. TourguideNixon (talk) 03:16, March 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * ...What? Did you even read anything I said? Stop jumping to conclusions about my politics or what I think. Labelling me a SJW and speaking in this manner is not only unhelpful for discussion, it could be construed as abuse. I would ask that you conduct this discussion in a respectable manner, not just rant. Further, your theory about why Isayama made Hange ambiguous is completely irrelevant. I'm not doing this for some social justice cause, I'm doing it because Isayama said that the reader is free to pick Hange's gender themselves. The anime is a completely different issue and has absolutely no relevance to this conversation. In the Manga, the 'A' Canon, Hange's gender is consistently ambiguous with Isayama confirming this multiple times. It is not the job of wiki editors to speculate on why he made the changes or even if we like the changes. This is the reality of the situation, if you don't particularly like the fast that Isayama did that, I can't help you. In a similar issue, we recently removed the designations of Rogue Titan and Dancing Titan because they are fan names and not considered canon. The only information that should be on Hange's page, or anyones, is canon information. The canon information is that Hange's gender has been left open to interpretation, it has not been confirmed as female.--PrelateZeratul (talk) 03:25, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Where did I call you a SJW? "Did you even read what I said?" You're talking out of emotion and trying to supplant a months old decision with political ideology, it's bad form, and now you're playing the victim card because it's become apparent it's not going your way. Just stop already.TourguideNixon (talk) 03:31, March 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not playing any card, I'm looking to have a discussion about this topic that you are apparently not interested in having. Hfc2x, the bureaucrat who recently resigned, came out against gender pronouns and wanted to remake Hange's page without them, he just didn't have the time. in the 18:11 edit to Hange's page you referred to me as a "Social Justice Person" so that is where you did so. I'm not acting like the victim at all, just trying to get you to act civil and respectful. Also, as of right now this isn't "Going anybody's way". There is a dispute and I want to solve it through discussion which you apparently have little interest in. Lastly, and again, don't presume to judge why I'm doing this and claim it is for political ideology. My personal opinion of Hange's gender is totally irrelevant to this discussion, we have to accept what Isayama has decided, even if we disagree with it.--PrelateZeratul (talk) 03:39, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * The admin made the ruling, not some moderator who recently quit after upholding them and, again, I did not call you a SJW, you made that up. There is precedent and the overwhelming logic/will of the fans that say Hange is a female, subverting that because a few Japanese fans wanted a sexually ambiguous character in the manga is silly. In the profile it has the correct gender for each version, that's enough, don't force your politics onto everyone else and ruin a page meant for fans for your own amusement. TourguideNixon (talk) 03:56, March 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think you need to read up on the role of admins on this wiki . They are not the ones to make final decisions, that is the community. Just thought I would get that out of the way. Also, you can deny it all you like, but you did refer to me as a "Social Justice Person" in the edit summary of one of your Hange undos. You can't just claim these outrageous things and then provide no backup. Further, this wikia is not run by the 'Overwhelming will of the fans', if it was than we would consider the Anime 'A' canon and Rouge Titan/Dancing Titan would be used here. They are not, because they are not canon. Hange as a girl is not canon, Hange's gender is stated to be ambiguous, left up to reader interpretation. To repeat myself, the fact that you think Hange's gender situation is silly is completely irrelevant. Your specific opinion on why Isayama made the change has no bearing here, we just have to accept what he decides. He decided that the gender is ambiguous and open to interpretation. Also to repeat myself, please stop assuming things about my motives and politics. My opinion on Hange's gender doesn't matter at all, but Isayama has made the decision and we have to accept that. My motive is to follow the canon and if you want to know my 'politics' or opinion on the issue, then here it is. I think the situation Isayama made with Hange's gender is foolish and I wish he would just forget about it. However, my opinion doesn't matter and the author of this manga has decided that the gender of Hange is ambiguous.--PrelateZeratul (talk) 04:35, March 4, 2015 (UTC)