Board Thread:Theories/@comment-26624146-20170608143408/@comment-32409015-20170701232406

RandomDudeDude wrote: Theend3 wrote: RandomDudeDude wrote: Theend3 wrote: RandomDudeDude wrote: And clearly, Reiner does not think that Paradis Eldians are Devils, if you read chapter 94. He looks so done and far conflicted. Sure, Annie is remorseful as well, but she still had no problem into killing people in many creative ways. Concerning what Reiner thinks about the Paradise Eldians,  the reality is more complex than what you said, (And I read chapter 94):

When he was 10 years old (In chapter 94), he seems to me that he thought that Paradis Island Eldians were devils because he said to  Betholdt: "If I deal punishment to the Paradise island demons who are terrorizing the world, I'll be saving the Eldians race... And the whole world." I mean: Why would Reiner lie to Bertholdt? After all, Bertholdt was his main friend and his confident. Thus Reiner was brainwashed and  thaught that Paradise Island  were devils. Later on Paradise Island (In chapter 42)  it seems to me that he changed a bit his mind and he was a bit conflicted, because on one hand he said to Eren after revealing himself: "I don't know what's right or what's wrong anymore" but on the other hand, he was very comptentuous, because he said: "I've spent 3 years of my life living here, surrounded by fools, that's what I said a stupid thing like that."Also in chapter 77, he said to Annie : "Have you started to feel compassion for this evil race?". So in Paradise island he believed less that  Paradise Eldians were devils, yet Reiner remained very loyal to Marley. To finish in chapter 94, it seems to me that adullt Reiner he had some regrets about what he did on Paradise Island, because he said partly the truth to his family about the Eldians of Paradise Island.

Concerning Annie, she didn't killed "people" in the forest. She killed soldiers who tried to kill her first or tried to disable her Titan first. I mean: Annie Leonhardt has the right to defend her own life. However, it is true that she was quite brutal. Also, sure Reiner was sometimes conflicted on Paradise island, but he still had no problem into distroying the gates of Wall Maria and Wall Rose and indirectly killing 250000 civilians. You seem to forget that Reiner eventually decided to stop the advance at Wall Rose and that Annie first attacked the soldiers from the right. Not just the forest, I'm talking especially about her attack in the open. It's the soldiers who were defending themselves, and they weren't even aware of Erwin's plan. And all you said about Reiner I already knew that. I was just talking about our current older Reiner. So you recognize that Reiner was in charge during the attacks of Wall Rose and Wall Maria. Thus, he is the first responsible for those attacks. Also you seem to forget that when Reiner stopped the Attack on Trost District, there was already thousands of civilians and military deaths. I mean: Do you remember the streets full of corpses and the corpse to whom Annie apologized? Also, Reiner didn't stop Trost attack because he was conflicted or because he had remorse but only because catching Eren became his priority (Read chapter 77). Reiner became interested in Eren because he wanted the coordinate.

Concerning "her attack" in the open, you're wrong. Leader Neiss and Cis attacked her first. I mean: She was searching for Eren and leader Neiss ordered Cis to attack her first (Read chapter 22). So she had the right to defend her own life. I agree that Erwin and Levi deliberately lied to their own men about the Female Titan. Thus, Erwin and Levi's behaviour towards their own men was criminal. But Annie couldn't know that the soldiers didn't know that the female Titan was very dangerous. So, she had indeed the right to defend her own life.

Also, you seem to forget that the whole 57th expedition had only one goal: Erwin wanted to catch the Female Titan. Otherwise why would Erwin install such a costly and complex trap with harpons in the forest? It wouldn't make any sense. Also, if they had captured Annie, they would have tortured her, then they would have probably killed her. And if Erwin had captured Annie, Marley would have very probably killed her father in reprisal. So, Annie didn't killed innocent "people", the reality is far more complex than that.

Anyway, if you resent Annie for killing dozens of soldiers but you don't resent Reiner for being the first responsible for the deaths of 250000 civilians, then it useless to talk to you. What?? Don't make things up. All the civilians of Trost successfully evacuated and only soldiers died (yes, lots of them, yes). The Garrison was way more prepared.

Concerning her attack, I'm not wrong. I remind you that Annie brought a bunch of Titans to destroy the right wing way before she met Ness, Siss, and Armin.

Sorry, I'm in a hurry, so I have no time for a better longer response, got to go.

Reiner, Bert, and Annie are among my faves btw Concerning Trost battle, I probably made a mistake: There were probably no civilian deaths. I'll have to look at that. Also, I'm not a nerd, so I can sometimes do mistakes. Also, do you never do mistakes? Are you perfect M. RandomDudeDude? And you harshly accused me of "making things up". Are you trying to denigrate me? Anyway, as you said, that doesn't change the fact that there were many military deaths during this battle, where need I remind you, Reiner was in charge.

Concerning "her" attack, I'm not wrong either. Annie never DIRECTLY attacked the soldiers first, all the soldiers she killed attacked her first. And I remind you that Erwin and Levi deliberately created the 57th expedition only to catch the Female Titan even before the bunch of Titans attacked the scouts. They used Eren as a bait and even said publicly that they would go to Grishka's Yaeger basement. They knew that she would try to catch Eren. Sort of, Erwin and Levi triggered this awful mess. Also, it was their duty to say their own men that the Female Titan was very dangerous, it was not Annie's problem, I'm surprised you say nothing about it.

Also, concerning "her" attack, you seem to forget that Reiner was her accomplice, since he said to Annie where Eren was, by carving with his blade Eren's exact position into her Titan hand. Also, Reiner probably ordered her to catch Eren, I mean: In the Trost arc, Reiner was very interested in Eren when he discovered that Eren was a Shifter. But Annie wasn't. So you can deduce that Reiner probably gave Annie the mission to catch Eren. Maybe he also wanted to test Annie's loyalty by giving her such a mission. Also, Reiner knew that such a mission would cause many military deaths. So, I'm surprised that you say nothing about Reiner's responsability in "her" attack.

Anyway, you didn't answer to my main point: Annie has the right to defend her own life. I'm very surprised that you say nothing about that. I mean: I know very well that she's a criminal, but how dare you to suggest that she shouldn't defend her own life? In what world do you live? Of course she will defend her own life, no matter what!

I'm the one who is in hurry and who don't have a lot of time to waste!

And I'm interested in Annie and the current 21 years old Reiner. Good week-end.