Board Thread:Manga/@comment-27321453-20200408113657/@comment-45387321-20200415105701

Penguinluver1431 wrote: Eden Ushinatta wrote: Penguinluver1431 wrote: Jayrob95 wrote: Eden Ushinatta wrote:

Actually, for Marley, they could get away with 6 or less, trim down on some of the repetitive exposition. First episode could easily cover the opening battle with the Mideast and probably the train ride back, the second covers life in Liberio, the third for the festival prep, then the fourth and fifth for the Liberio attack and the Walldian's POV near the end. And if they absolutely have to cover the flashbacks for RBA, one episode should be enough as most of the flashback chapters were filler and did not give new or relevant information. That leaves plenty of room remaining for the final arc (almost 20 episodes), and since some of the recent chapters feel rushed, trimming the Marley arc in the anime to the bare minimum needed (as opposed to the painfully slow and unnecessary exposition prior to Eren's attack) would allow the anime to expand on certain areas where we actually need more exposition (which probably also they can cut some of the dialogue from the early chapters of the final arc and start flowing directly into the first major battle). 6 episodes or less for a 16 chapters arc? 16 chapters, 45 pages each. I find it amusing that you decided on your own which parts are irrelevant and didn't provide any significant content for the plot development. Isayama put these parts there for a reason. If there weren't necessary his editor would have pointed them out. Unless Isayama comes out and says that he is disappointed with the way he wrote the scenes, then there is absolutely no reason to assume that these scenes won't be animated. Especially considering that they are thematically significant to Reiner's character arc. Not to mention Eren's as well. Anyway, that's not happening. Not in a million years. I mean anything can happen. Things getting shortened is nowhere close to being out of the realm of possibility. Well it wouldn't be the first time Isayama expressed a desire to change certain things about an arc in the anime (Uprising for starters, they definitely make the right call cutting some of the more repetitive exposition for the sake of progressing the story). Not to mention sometimes directors take their own creative liberties with scenes, provided it doesn't compromise too much of the author's original vision.

Also consider the break cards usually have a boatload of information about the world of AoT, so anything that is excessively informative but not overly plot-relevant can just go on one of those and the more dedicated anime viewers can pause on those cards.

As for the Marley arc, where exactly have I misjudged what's plot relevant? The massive info dump Falco gets in the beginning could easily just be a short intro narrated by someone else, just like how the series started with a narration about humanity living in fear of the Titans. And the only thing about the RBA flashback that's really plot-relevant is seeing Marco devoured by Ymir, other than that, it's literally just the attack on Wall Maria "from the other side". That doesn't need to take up half the anime adaptation of the arc. And as I also said before, a LOT of what happens in the Marley arc is recapped in the beginning of the final arc, so it shouldn't need to take up too much of the anime. Nearly all the relevant parts to the remainder of the story begin once the festival begins, which is just shortly after the RBA flashback. Every single part is significant. The battle of Fort Slava serves as an introduction to the new characters. The aftermath also establishes their personalities and Reiner's struggles. All of them are necessary, because some of the newly introduced characters play large roles later on, especially Gabi and Falco. Reiner's flashbacks are relevant, because of his discussion with Eren back in chapters 99-100. And they promote major themes of the series. The Marleyan side gets humanized, something important, considering where the story is right now. If the anime skips all that, the result will be a sloppy, nonsensical adaptation, where the watcher won't be able to sympathize with the new characters. Something that goes against Isayama's wishes. Reiner was promoted to a main character by Isayama, officially. Yoy think the anime will throw away all of his development and the build up to it, because you think it slows down the plot? If that was the case, then there was no reason for the episode with the narration provided by Keith Shadis, nor the 104th Training Arc. I can think of a ton of  "plot-irrelevant" moments that helped develop characters who needed it. Writing a story effectvely, that is praised requires that moments. It requires establishing the main themes of each segment and the characters present. Else is a half-assed job, that indicates laziness. "Every single part is significant. The battle of Fort Slava serves as an introduction to the new characters. The aftermath also establishes their personalities and Reiner's struggles. All of them are necessary, because some of the newly introduced characters play large roles later on, especially Gabi and Falco."

Still should only require one episode of the anime, since the info dump at the beginning would be narrated before Falco is rescued, not given by Gabi.

Reiner's flashbacks are relevant, because of his discussion with Eren back in chapters 99-100.

Again, if they absolutely have to do a flashback episode, it should only take ONE episode. Most of it is still filler and takes away from current events.

''And they promote major themes of the series. The Marleyan side gets humanized, something important, considering where the story is right now. If the anime skips all that, the result will be a sloppy, nonsensical adaptation, where the watcher won't be able to sympathize with the new characters. Something that goes against Isayama's wishes. Reiner was promoted to a main character by Isayama, officially. ''

You're forgetting that most anime viewers (myself included) only care about the Walldian side. And for some manga readers, not even Reiner's "tragic" backstory was enough to get them to care about the Marley side. The anime would be wise to avoid some of the more polarizing moments if they don't want to face the same decline as the manga.

''Yoy think the anime will throw away all of his development and the build up to it, because you think it slows down the plot? If that was the case, then there was no reason for the episode with the narration provided by Keith Shadis, nor the 104th Training Arc. I can think of a ton of  "plot-irrelevant" moments that helped develop characters who needed it. Writing a story effectvely, that is praised requires that moments. It requires establishing the main themes of each segment and the characters present. Else is a half-assed job, that indicates laziness. ''

Okay, yeah, a number of moments from the early series could be seen as plot-irrelevant. Which is why some of them should have actually either been cut for just trimmed. Anime is a visual art, it relies more heavily on action sequences than dialogue. In the past, they've managed to blend the two quite well, but since one half of Marley was all political dialogue without action, and the other half was action without plot, the anime team will have to make tough choices on what to cut and what to keep if they want anime-only viewers to bother sticking around (remember there were quite a lot of people who stopped reading during Marley arc because of the drastic change in perspective and genre shift). All of your arguments read like: I don't like the story and how it developed, i only care about Eren and the Walldians, screw everything else. And you assume that the majority of the fandom thinks the same and that the anime crew will have to cut some parts, because a small portion of the fandom dislikes it. Great reasoning there mate, but where is the proof that the quality of the series is going down? Did you get a sample from the Japanese fandom? The people that actually buy the magazine? Did you check if there's a drop in sales or negative feedback? Because, i haven't seen proof of that. Even when Isayama decided to make changes during the Uprising arc, it was because HE felt that he didn't do a good job. Not because of negative feedback from a wiki written in english.

Anime is a storytelling medium. Stories can't live survive on action alone. Especially Attack on Titan, where the action was never it's strongest point. For all it's action, Attack on Titan was better at creating a mysterious, anxiety-filled atmosphere, strengthened by a respectable cast. Now this cast has been developed more than ever. Cutting that development out would be a terrible decision. Anime viewers will stay and watch a respectable story, with likeable and fleshed out characters. You don't want to watch an anime. You want to watch an amv. Good for you, but that's not how story-telling works. At least not good story-telling.

Ah, and one last thing. AoT as an anime has never been able to adapt 2 chapters in 1 episode consistently. First season: 34 chapters=25 eps. Second season:16 chapters=12eps. Season 3 part 1:22 chapters=12 episodes. Season 3 part 2:18 chapters=10episodes. Just LOL at the thought that 16 chapters can be adapted in 6 episodes. That's a travesty.