Board Thread:Manga/@comment-27321453-20200408113657/@comment-32790176-20200409204950

Penguinluver1431 wrote: Jayrob95 wrote: Penguinluver1431 wrote:

Neetaku wrote: Penguinluver1431 wrote: Winston4278 wrote: Neetaku wrote: Alright, I guess it's time for me to bat down the "Gabi is a Mary Sue" criticism again. I'm sure eventually it will get addressed.

The definition of a Mary Sue is "an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character" who can "usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience, and usually are able through some means to upstage the main protagonist of an established fictional setting, such as by saving the hero."

Gabi is so incredibly inept that it's almost comical. Her entire character arc during this final arc revolves around being completely humbled by the fact that she can't do anything right, and keeps getting the ideology that she grew up with (all Eldians are evil) proved wrong the all of the good Eldians living on Paradis. While I applaud you laying this out once again Neetaku, I have to agree with Razzylada: despite all the evidence you presented, it will STILL not be enough to quell those who hate Gabi with a fiery passion and label her as such (probably through and past the end of the series). Correct. Because no matter how unlikable she was in the beginning, killing Sasha was all it took for Gabi to deserve death, and nothing she does will ever atone for that. And as long as that self-insert runs around with plot armor, I will continue to call her a Mary Sue. And in case you aren't paying attention, there are still plenty of people who hate Gabi despite her sorry excuse for "redemption". I don't care. What I care about is that you keep calling her a Mary Sue when she does not in any way meet the definition of one. And if plot armor is all that is required to make a character a Mary Sue (which it's not, no definition of the term has that as part of the criteria) then Eren, Armin, Levi, Hange, Floch, Zeke, Reiner... everyone in the main cast is a Mary Sue. But I'm pretty sure most if not all of those characters are going to die before the end, thus negating their plot armor. Garbage Braun is likely gonna live happily ever after despite being an evil little shit, that botched abortion doesn't deserve to be happy. Irrelevant. They've survived more things then her by a country mile and yet you don’t decry there plot armor and you can’t actually prove any of them will die. Ergo your still using the term wrong and a million and one excuses don’t actually change that. You contadicted yourself by saying they've survived more than Gabi. That's still plot armor, but most of them are decent enough characters that I don't care. Eren, Levi, Floch, and Zeke are good characters with understandable motives and circumstances. Hange and Armin have become spineless cowards but maybe that's WHY they are still alive, because they haven't made the tough  choices to save their people. Reiner, like his partners, I still hate with fiery passion, but I've accepted that, as Isayama's favorite character, he will likely survive until the end no matter what gets thrown at him. No I didn’t. Not even a little. You said she has plot armor and that you think she’ll survive, thus you instill the Mary Sue title on her despite it making no sense. Being a decent enough character doesn’t equate to that logic, nor does “well I don’t think there gonna survive therefore I don’t think they count.” What you think is also unimportant to the term. There’s a defined term for this kind of character and Gabi doesn’t fit it therefore it’s the wrong term. That’s the only actual way to define a Mary Sue. So again your using the term wrong and it will be called out that your doing so for as long as you do so.