Talk:Ətˈæk 0N tάɪtn

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The actual title of this page should be ətˈæk 0N tάɪtn, as that is the title of the track. I suggest this page is moved to "Original Soundtrack: ətˈæk 0N tάɪtn" with a redirect from "Original Soundtrack: Attack on Titan". NeoSuperior (talk) 12:35, August 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * "ətˈæk 0N tάɪtn" is also listed as the name on the booklet, so that should be enough to consider it official. NeoSuperior (talk) 19:51, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

I genuinely can't hear the choir or Mika Kobayashi singing any of the lyrics on the "German" tab that weren't already in the official booklet. I removed those lines since I couldn't find any relieable sources, but if there are, please feel free to undo that edit.

Aside from that I made a few smaller changes: "becomes red"-> "turns red" (sounded better to me since it's about colors changing), "our swords-> "the swords" (die=/= our), "pick up"-> "take" (I've explained why here ) Minyaa (talk) 16:23, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Your translation improvements were a great help. I sometimes get stuck even with sentences that I could usually translate without any problems. It sounds a lot better now.

About the parts that are not in the booklet: It is a shame that the choir parts were not included. But it is possible to understand them, by using XL-TT as a reference. All choir segments from ətˈæk 0N tάɪtn are taken from XL-TT (not in the same order though), so by understanding some of the lyrics from XL-TT it is not too hard to get to the lyrics. Other requirements and/or recommendations are:
 * -Using headphones and not boxes
 * -Setting bass noise to low (e.g. by using an graphical equalizer)
 * -Listening to a "clear" version of the track(s) (Youtube is not "clear")
 * -Listen to the track(s) a few hundred times

I think "figuring out" the lyrics is OK, because:


 * 1. Lyrics from the openings were already posted, even before their booklets were released as well
 * 2. Mika Kobayashi's segments only make up a very little part of the lyrics, so it does not seem complete to just use her vocals
 * 3. The segment before Kobayashi's segment kicks in is, without a doubt, "Ist das der Zerstörer..." with a blunt male voice

You are free to call me freak now, but what can I do? I like these tracks! NeoSuperior (talk) 19:57, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hey now, let's not jump to conclusions!

My first language is German. I've grown up with it, I speak it every day. I have high quality CD rips of both OSTs- I don't listen to them on YouTube out of principle. I use headphones most of the time and my settings are fine. I have, in fact, listened to the first soundtrack over a thousand times alone, and this particular song over a hundred times (XL- TT, as well).

Mika Kobayashi's segments were enough for the artist himself to be added to the booklet. Are you referring to 1:48- 2:03 with 3.? Because I'm fairly sure that actually is her voice, simply distorted, and not a man's.

I admire Hiroyuki Sawano's work. I particularily love the AoT OSTs. All I want is to help spreading knowledge of them, and that includes providing the non- german/japanese speaking parts of the fandom with translations and lyrics that are as close as you can get to 100% accuracy. I don't feel like your version provides that. Maybe you've listened for a bit too long and interpreted too much? I'm sorry, but I cannot- as much as I'd like to- confirm any of the lines you seem to be hearing. Since we still disagree with one another, it would be logical to keep relying on official sources. That is what this wiki should be trying to do anyway, is it not? Minyaa (talk) 22:41, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Then I ask you: 02:57-03:12 of ətˈæk 0N tάɪtn / 03:26-03:47 of XL-TT. These are the easiest to understand lyrics from the choir segments. You don't understand that as well?

And About my "3.": You may be right about that, however it is, without a doubt, the same lyrics as later sung "loudly" by Kobayashi.

And it is not like I claim that it is 100% right, nor that it is official. That is what the "booklet" tab is for. I am expecting people to be intelligent enough to realize that everything outside that tab is not from official sources. Sometimes what is written on the "official lyrics" actually contradicts what is actually sung at some points (see The Reluctant Heroes) I also think we should use a more uniform standard, which means we either only post things that can be referenced, i.e. only official lyrics and official translations (that don't exist) or we allow the use of more subjectivity for the lyrics. Hell, just look at Feuerroter Pfeil und Bogen, as there are 3 different translations of the tv size part. I remember we actually had a discussion like that on that song as well, however there the ones who disagreed with me gave an actual counter example and not just "it does not seem accurate". No one bothered to delete the less accurate ones. Also I posted my ətˈæk 0N tάɪtn lyrics months before and no one, including you, touched them in any way. Why now suddenly? I can only conclude that no one thought that it is wrong. NeoSuperior (talk) 04:24, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

No, I don't, which is why I'm talking about this with you in the first place.

In my opinion, translations are different from writing lyrics down by ear, because anyone can actually prove/disprove that those are right, or improve them, as they do rely on confirmed official information. I also fail to see how this discussion is much different from the one we had on "Feuerroter Pfeil und Bogen". There was unsourced information that I thought was inaccurate. I think the last section of thisarticle might be of some help here, because it addresses our problem.

...Seriously? I don't check this wiki often. I don't have to, either. I didn't know these articles existed until I stumbled upon a post on tumblr showing lyrics that sounded off to me. I corrected their source as much as I could. That's all. Unless actual, direct feedback from people confirms it, I don't think "I can only conclude that no one thought that it is wrong" is a valid argument here. I'm assuming the lyrics on the Bauklötze article were left as they were for a long time as well, even though another person disagreed with translating "nehmen" to "pick up" in that context as soon as the topic was brought up. Minyaa (talk) 10:52, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

You have to decide. You cannot remove what you don't personally agree with, but leave be what you personally do agree with. If you only take the lyrics you can actually read from the booklet, then you have to remove it not only in this track but also everywhere else (this includes the "Angriff auf die Titanen" segment from Feuerroter Pfeil und Bogen). If you do not want this as well, then you would need to give at least a counter example for what else the lyrics of ətˈæk 0N tάɪtn could be. If you want to leave the lyrics from the other tracks and songs as they are I don't see why your opinion has higher value simply because you "don't feel like the lyrics are right". You need to give concrete examples why you think so.

So to not make the wikia inconsistent, you can do 2 things: Ask the admins to create a "booklet-lyrics-only policy" that they may or may not accept, or you show me a different version of the lyrics, to prove that mine are not accurate. Even though you were right in past cases, or rather I did not argue further, it does not mean that your opinion is more significant or more "scientific" than mine. NeoSuperior (talk) 18:28, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

I never meant to come across as rude, so I'm sorry if you felt that way. There was no dissent in our other discussion that the narrator in "Feuerroter Pfeil und Bogen" spoke clearly enough to be understood properly, but your proposal is fair. If only one option is possible, I definitely think we should remove the parts without sources until more can be found. Minyaa (talk) 19:30, December 7, 2013 (UTC)