Talk:Frieda Reiss

Deceased?
According to chapter 62, we don't know for sure if she got killed or not, I think it is a bit early to affirm she is dead. Xinomorph (talk) 06:52, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

She is deceased. It says that bandits massacred the entire Reiss family, save for Lod and Historia. Gourgeist (talk) 07:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that's what Hangi says. That information was gathered by Survey Corps disguised as farmers, maybe hearing rumors. We also know that those rumors weren't 100% true, because it was also said that the church was burned by bandits, and we know it wasn't that way. I mean, those were probably rumors heard by those Survey Corps members gathering information. We don't know for sure if Frieda is actually dead, that is what it is said around. Xinomorph (talk) 07:17, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Hange suggested foul play, meaning Titans might have been involved, not that she didn't trust the word handed down. Also, the report came from Erwin, not any of the farmers. If you're reading fan scanlations, I suggest here as a reliable source for the official English translation of the scene. Gourgeist (talk) 07:28, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

I read it from that page. But it doesn't matter if Hange trusts the source of information, or if that source is Erwin or not. The thing is, that we know (by Eren's memories) that some of that information was wrong. Those were not bandits, it was Grisha the one doing it. We can't take that information as the safe truth, because nobody in the story seems to be omniscient. I believe she died, but we can't affirm it, we didn't see her dying or dead in the memories, neither we saw a confirmation from a witness (like Lod Reiss), all we have is the information gathered by Erwin's team that can be wrong, as we know that part of that information is actually wrong. Xinomorph (talk) 22:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * The theory about Titan Shifters passing down the abilities of the wielder to any Titan if it eats them has already been proved by Hange (and by clear evidence shown in the story). Hange even theorized if that's why Reiner threw the Titans at Eren when they were escaping, because that would have meant another Titan could absorb Eren's powers. We've been demonstrated that Ymir (and as she mentioned it), returned to her human form after eating another Shifter: Marcel.
 * From the looks of it, and since Eren remembered things from Grisha's perspective (you know it's him, because you see how he's injecting Eren in "first person cam"), it's now obvious that memories of the previous owner of the Power get passed to the new user. Eren has memories of Frieda brushing her hair, despite never having seen her in his life. The only explanation for this is that Frieda was either a Titan Shifter herself or had a power related to Titans and Grisha absorbed them, and then he was eaten by Eren.  h fc 2 X  23:12, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * I would say that Frieda was the Titan being fought in that flashback, since the scene focuses on her intense expression prior to showing the female Historia-ish Titan. She is the oldest female present in the scene, and seems to have been the focus of Grisha's attention initially. --Harostar (talk) 23:48, October 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * hfc2X is right.Tthe point seems to be Frieda's power to alter memories, which could be the "Coordinate" Eren holds now. It is important to note that Eren perceived the hairbrushing scene with Frieda's eyes apparently (the mirror showed no other person), so it seems possible that Eren got Frieda's memories. That suggests she died, either at the hands of Eren later on or Grisha killed her prior to being eaten by his son. Historia's memories show Frieda from her (Historia's) own eyes. I also got the impression that the Titan in the flashback was Historia. Another point is that Frieda does indeed look a bit like Eren. If they are related, she perhaps was not eaten by Eren and Grisha, but gave Eren her memories via her "telepathy" for reasons unknown. SnK Rumor Mill Crank (talk) 06:00, October 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * The Titan couldn't have been Historia, since the Chapel massacre happened days prior to the first meeting between Historia and Rod. It was either Frieda or another sister, since I believe there were two sisters shown. --Harostar (talk) 07:41, October 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * I was wary of the whole Historia backstory, as Historia's memories could have been altered by Frieda (deleting the horrible memories) and Lod Reiss could have spread false information. Yet you are most likely right. I read the chapter again and my understanding is that neither Frieda nor Historia are the Titan but the little blonde girl you mentioned. It seems that Eren only sees Grisha's memories: He shifted into a Titan (apparently that was not planned by the Reiss family), then a female Reiss family member shifted into a second Titan to stop him. Either Frieda or the other girl, or rather most likely. There was a little girl with blonde hair like the Titan had. Grisha defeated the Titan (the picture shows a fight with the Titan wounded and hold by a Titan arm) and ate the shifter inside, receiving the ability to shift and probably the memories of the girl (which is how Eren got the image of Frieda in her room). This is what Lod Reiss called his sin. He then left the place, turned Eren into a Titan, and was eaten by him, passing the powers and the memories on to him. Historia indeed wasn't there, as she is not seen at the place. Frieda survived, as she visited Historia later on. This is another point why the Titan most likely was the other girl. SnK Rumor Mill Crank (talk) 13:39, October 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * PS: I have to make a correction. There is something fishy. I wrote that Frieda went to meet Historia and referred to Historia's flashback showing them together. I read some scenes again (took me a while to find them) and noted that Historia was able to read when she lived with her mother (as long as the translation is correct), but she says Frieda taught her. That's weird. Frieda must have known about Historia's location quite some time. Did she keep it a secret from her family? If so, why? If not, why did Lod Reiss not meet History earlier? If my translation isn't wrong and I got it right (I read the scenes out of context), we don't know whether Frieda survived. The thing with the gang killing people was most likely invented to hide what really happened (a Titan shifter fight), and we know that at least Lod Reiss survived. At the moment I believe Frieda was eaten by Grisha (that's how the hairbrushing memories - and perhaps the power to control the mind of Titans - ended up at Eren), but despite the picture showing Frieda's face I don't belive she was the shifter, as the Titan had blonde hair. I think Isayama did that to show that it wasn't Frieda who shifted. SnK Rumor Mill Crank (talk) 15:40, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the pagename
"Mysterious Woman" is just a placeholder of course and will be replaced, as soon as an actual name is available. NeoSuperior (talk) 11:46, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

Memory Manipulation?
I don't recall her ever having such a power or any evidence towards her, just stating that Historia must forget her. Historia herself only forgot about her in the present because of time fading away memory. I don't see one shred of evidence stating she has a memory manipulation power.

Bentheechidna (talk) 18:00, April 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, memory erasing is in a way memory manipulation. Think of something like the Neuralyzer from MiB.  h fc 2 X  18:17, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Name
I think it's safe to say we can change this page name to "Frieda Reiss". Gourgeist (talk) 00:42, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Killed by Bandits?
She was killed and eaten by Griesha when he was a titan along with the rest of the family, the bandits story is just a cover up, or what people have assumed have happend to them. Did the guy who wrote that even read the newest chapter??92.253.25.217 20:02, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Really? no one. she wasn't killed by Bandits, She and her family were killed by Griesha. please change it.149.200.214.140 17:12, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

That is considered speculation until the next chapter confirms it. We only saw glimpses of the flashbacks, not even anything fully confirmed. I think the same thing as you do, but I've talked with an admin, and we will change it once the next chapter reveals the whole story. Gourgeist (talk) 17:20, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

No its not. that theory was questioned in universe and was proven wrong with not only Griesha's memories but also the chapel being destroyed. also why did Eren experience one of her memories if she wasn't eaten by Griesha? and if Griesha didn't kill them then who did? and why would Griesha leave them alive? he clearly wanted them dead and didn't leave until they were, and if that isn't enough you can see in this page two of the family members dead and one being grabed by Griesha. 149.200.214.140 17:31, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

My objective is never to undermine other staff of this wiki but I have to place myself firmly on the side of the bandit story being a cover-up. It is more or less confirmed in 62 that Grisha was the one who killed the Reiss family and destroyed the chapel. Also, on Grisha's page we have it written that he did it, not bandits. Leave the page for now so we don't start an edit war and I will talk with our admin about it. --PrelateZeratul (talk) 17:37, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

i forgot to put a header in my first comment so i added one.149.200.214.140 17:55, October 12, 2014 (UTC)