Board Thread:Shingeki no Kyojin Wiki/@comment-24930713-20150327022217/@comment-424719-20150428175118

@Raposu

That is one of the nicest things I have ever heard on this wiki Raposu. To be thanked by someone who I've helped even a bit in the past is endearing, and amazing to hear. Thank you for saying that, it made my day. You make a very good point, diversity and originality can be a lifeblood to a wiki, and the new references template could provide a better framework then what we have now. Thank you for your comment very much.

@Manuel de la Fuente

I saw no mention of the words 'In this discussion' in your original post. If that was your intention then good on you, it would be correct. The way you left it implied that no one did, which is simply generalizing and wrong. I respect everyones opinion on here Manuel, no matter who they are or what they have done. Gourgeist tried to destroy me and yet I would gladly speak with him again, and work with him again. Even Hfc2x or NeoSuperior I would be happy to talk with and work with, as long as they weren't in an adminstrative position.

Please show me how I twist the words, and I'm appealing to tradition to prevent you from bringing about some radical change without thinking about it's effects. The only admin who directly said they were pleased with my changes was Hfc2x, NeoSuperior did offer a generalized commend thanking me for my work. As I've said before, Miskos identified Gunther as the premier article and I used it as a jumping off point. You say something like badges can be easily turned off, and yes it can, but you're ignoring the damage it might cause even while it is on. Some people may not like badges and find them divisive, some people may find them awesome. We don't know in the context of this wiki because you didn't allow serious discussion to take place PRIOR to the change being enacted. There is a reason lawmakers don't make laws and then debate them.

Those are only part of my arguments and ignore the larger one involving what we should be as a wiki and our duty to the readers of this wiki. We have a responsibility to convey all the informarion possible and in the context of a characters page, make them aware of what the characters is going through. Providing genralized descriptions that ignore key dialogue or reactions is damaging. That is my main argument, so please spare me the strawman. Things are solved by polls when the people debating cannot work out the problems. You ask the community at large what they think and their decision is BINDING.

If you think a character listening to other characters "chatter" as you said, is unimportant then please explain why they are shown reacting to them. If you only think a character is growing when they speak you are missing out on a plethora of development and insight.

And how incredibly dismissive of you Manuel, to paint casual contributors and my sister with the same brush. People are free to work here as much as they want, and just because an illegal bureaucrat may not like their opinion doesn't mean they're not entitled to one. I have worked here longer then anyone left and I have never once dismissed another person because they haven't worked as much or as hard as myself. We are all equal as editors so I would never use my increased experience as an editor to try and marginalize others. This goes directly back to your refusing to encourage other editors and saying that it isn't your job. No, it isn't, but it is a nice thing to do and it benefits the wiki when someone says "Nice job, thanks for your work" as I have tried to do. Frankly, I am shocked that you treat so called 'Casual contributors' this way.

And who decides when the conversation is over and we move forward, you? What gives you the right to say when enough is enough and we're going forward? Put it to a vote of opinions, don't just declare things as you have been so apt to do. You have just seen that Raposu's conviction regarding the proposed change is not as strong as you made it out to be, so bring the community together, with this new found information, and have them decide.