Board Thread:Manga/@comment-25228560-20170402150806/@comment-26149647-20171115205339

  Well, I am not sure it completely didn't. Maybe, Ymir Fritz didn't do any damage but I am sure the nine titans did. They completely conquered Marley. No, seriously, was it just propaganda? because it is cited as something that did happen. And, no, I don't agree with Grisha Jaegar at all. Nor do I agree with Marleyan government mistreating Eldians. Nor do I agree with how Paradis treated its Asiatic citizens. They were persecuted and exiled. The socio-politics of Paradis are as bad as Marley. The Reiss family were okay if Eldians from Marley had hurt their citizens as long they can keep the coordinate. That is also oppression.

Whatever happened, it doesn't justify Marley's actions in any way. The Eldians of now should not be held responsible for the crimes of their ancestors. Just because they are descended from a supposedly evil race doesn't mean they are all inherently evil. And even then, not every Eldian necessarily took part. Besides, the Kings of Eldia could have simply FORCED their people to fight regardless of whether they wanted to or not. Whoever holds the Coordinate is essentially a God and He WILL be obeyed. So what makes you disagree with Grisha Yeager? If it has to with his involvement with the Eldians Restorationists, I understand. They have an equally warped perspective of their ancestors, believing Ymir to be a benevolent figure who built the roads to peace and prosperity and gave them power (much like Prometheus). Of course, after Kruger set the record straight, you have to wonder: is Grisha wrong to want to have his people free? Is he wrong to wish vengeance upon those who took everything from him. Not at all. He is only human.



''I think I understand Zeke. Yes, what he did was wrong. But he was abused by Grisha and Dina. What his parents did was wrong. That poor guy was like only 5 or 7 and they kept on hounding at him to be a double agent. Do you know how wrong that is? Yes, he should not have turned his parents in and made that happen but his parents also should not have used him as a pawn. In fact, Grisha did it again with Eren. Yes, it helped Eren but at what cost? He has the curse of Ymir now too and he would never be able to live out his life outside that unless he detroys the coordinate in himself. That is pretty sad. ''

You are so wrong about what happened. Grisha may have mistreated Zeke, but that doesn't erase the fact that he still chose to join to the Marleyan War Program of his own accord. He is so horrifically opposed to Grisha's teachings that he is willing to believe everything that Marley taught him. And Grisha DID NOT do the same thing to Eren AT ALL. Unlike Zeke, he allowed Eren to develop his own beliefs about the world and... if not for the untimely attack from the Colossal Titan and the Armoured Titan in 845, he would have shown him the truth. Are so naive to believe that Grisha learned NOTHING from his mistakes? And do you really think he wanted Eren to go throough the same hell he experienced? Of course not. But he was out of time and no one else he could turn to. If he just died, then the Coordinate he stole from the royal family would be lost.



''I do want Eren and Paradis to be one with the rest of the world. Even if Marleyan peace and Eldian peace is different there can be negotiations and both sides can shoulder their own burdens and each other. Making one epic finale battle will be nice to watch but also pretty much ruin the hell out of the world. People should coexist. lack of coexistence is one of the reasons even the real world is in so much problem.''



That's not as simple as you think it is. The rest of the world hates the Eldians of Paradis and that is not going to change overnight. Also the Tybur Family is not looking for peace. They want to maintain the power that they have held for the past century. They don't care if it means eradicatin their own people.



''It would be great if the continents can live in harmony again and Eren and everyone gains peace. It would be actually awesome if Eren lives in Marley at the end of the series =) and tries to learn more about other countries and all that and works with Zeke. It would be nice. And actually great. ''

If you want peace, prepare for war. There is no way this can be resolved without bloodshed. You might as well wish for the United States of America sign a pact with Korea and China to dismantle all their nuclear weapons. The only way humans can know peace is if there is someone with power to enforce that peace. We're just too simple-minded to negotiate. We hate without reason. We kill without reason. Marley will never be a good place to live in as long as the Tybur Family controls it. They have to die as do the members of the Government who spread the lies of the Eldian people being filthy demons.



That's the saddest part. Even the Eldians living with Marley genuinely believe that the people of Paradis are all evil incarnate. Their OWN people. They just blame them for all of their misgivings, either out of fear, or blind devotion to Marley. Reiner's mother for example is truly despicable, seeing as how lied to Reiner and manipulated him all for her own sake. Now she's doing the same to Gabi.

My point to all this is that your delusions of peace and harmony for everyone are just that... delusions. This can't end with everyone happy. It never does. Someone will have to suffer. Someone will pay the price. And even then, the war may not end...