Board Thread:Manga/@comment-27321453-20200408113657/@comment-36307699-20200531065212

Attackcjc wrote: Yeah agreed. If Eren dies, it won't end the cycle he is surely trying to end, which he clearly isn't trying to do by destroying the world lol but yeah as evidenced by Hanje and Reiner, that whole group is starting to see the full picture which Eren is clearly aware of.

But that is a very interesting analysis I can agree with. I noticed as well in chp 106 that Eren was more realistic about Marley than either Armin or Mikasa. Even if they agreed on how they would "need more time", it was clear that Eren had a better grasp on the situation than either of them. I'm not sure if I'd say he lost trust in them, given it was before the Liberio fight and he did explore other avenues with them that were more peaceful, but I'm sure he figured out that they wouldn't be willing to make the hard choice, so he would have to make it for them for the greater good, their own good.

Come chp 112, I don't think he really meant how Armin only kept visiting Annie cuz of Bert's influence,as I'm sure he knows Armin had a soft spot for Annie, one he shared as well. I think he was fallacious with that just as he was with Mikasa saying he "hated" her to give them benefits he wouldn't had been able to give them any other way: He needed Armin to snap out of his pacifism and he needed to break the "slave bond" he had on Mikasa. This is hearsay on my part, but I see the possibility that if Eren wasn't tough on his words, he wouldn't had broken through to them.

But yeah, I can agree that aside from Eren and those who would form the "yeagerists", the rest of the Sc either shared Armin and Hanje's idealism or were just on the fence (and just as unable to fight the hard fight Eren was prepared to). Armin was pretty peaceful even before eating Bert (who really didn't even contribute to it). Just look back at when he killed that member of Kenny's squad. He knew to do it in the moment, but he was destroyed afterwards. He even thought that the person he killed was a "good person", but would a "good person" be a member of an infamous serial killer's squad? Its still unclear if Armin saw Bert's memories or not yet. I originally thought he did and Eren would be notified about them to talk to Reiner about. I was half-right about that it seems. But Armin was always more of a talker than a fighter, even in the most heated situations, but he does know when its time to fight, and I think Eren wanted to push him into that, cuz there clearly was no talking with Marley in the first place, atleast not until recently when Eren stopped the fighting, which I knew he would do but not the way it happened lol

But that is an understatement about Eren and Armin's ideals about the world, and its been apparent since the beginning with "the ocean". The nice thing about their ideals is that even if they don't share them entirely, they see the relevance in them. Armin got Eren thinking about the ocean, and Eren did inspire Armin (and others) to join the SC. They both inspired the other in their ways of thinking. Eren may be pushing Armin to fight, but in the end, I'm sure he would prefer a situation where the two sides can talk things out. Just like how he close to peacefully talk to Reiner (albeit with some measures to make sure the latter didn't get aggressive), I'm positive he wants the war cycle to end with peace, but he knows pragmatically he has to fight to make it that way, and he needs Armin to do so too.

Very great analysis man. Hope to see more from you before this series concludes, whenever that may be as I've been doubting it will do so this year. You do have a lot of good points there, especially about Armin now I remember. Armin Arlert is more of a talker and strategies then fighter. He did tried to talk out some situations in earlier chapters before knowing about the outside world. You are correct with that, and I also remember how Eren Yeager did encourage others to join Survey Corp, despite it wasn't intentional from him too.