Board Thread:Manga/@comment-27321453-20181109001854/@comment-36307699-20181116080749

Freeman1378 wrote: Warrior655 wrote: Freeman1378 wrote:

RuneLai wrote: Penguinluver1431 wrote:

Just because someone is sympathetic doens't mean they're right. Someone MIGHT sympathize with the Warriors, but they're still the villains of the story, regardless of their motives or circumstance. If Eren isn't including Armin and Mikasa on his plan, it's because the latter two have lost sight on how to best protect Paradis. The pacifist approach that Armin takes is clearly not going to save them, and the fact that Mikasa protected a Marleyan killer shows she has no concern for her own people, regardless of what she told Kiyomi several pages earlier.

Eren is still the main character. He is still the focus of the series. From the beginning, his purpose has been to wipe out his enemies, both Titans and the ones across the sea. Obviously Zeke has an agenda, but if Eren allying with him involves using the rumbling and wiping out the outside world, so be it. It's the only way Paradis can truly be safe, no matter how idealistic the SC has become. No, it doesn't. But protagonists are rarely unsympathetic. You get exceptions, for instance: Light Yamagi in Death Note. But if a protagonist loses the audience's sympathy, and their actions are being portrayed in a negative light, you can tell that there is going to be a reckoning.

I don't think Eren is sympathetic right now. He's in a position where the other characters are trying to stop him. I think whatever he's doing, he's either going to fail or pay a huge price for it by the end of the story. I still find Eren to be a sympathetic character as he is someone driven by the noble goal to save his homeland rather than selfish delusions of grandeur like Light or Walter White and in a harsh situation like this one there are no right answers as Armin's plan could have just wasted time and Eren's plan could doom his soul to eternal damnation while only allowing the current state of violence to continue. Personally though this is why I think this plot is Isayama's ace in the hole as I love characters and situations like this that challenge my own morals and worldviews and I am interested to see how far Eren goes to secure victory. On a side note the potential clash between Eren and Levi is my most anticipated moment right now as it will be an interesting gauge for how far into the moral bog Eren will sink (Will Eren kill Levi or allow him to be killed by Zeke for example). Yes, while Armin does seek a peaceful solution. However, it doesn't prevent the whole world from wanting to attack Paradise Island, even if Eren did attack Liberio or not. After all, the Tyburs were planning to have every nation unite against Paradise Islanders.

So while Armin version has morale standards, but it wouldn't have work within their world. Plus, there is a possible chance that their allies (Marley Volunteers, Kiyomi etc) are planning something sinister as well.

I may not have watched a lot of Games Of Thrones, and learned that Isayama is basing this Arc on it. But what I have gathered so far that the series involves groups of people. They fight each other in order to claim the throne and kingdom.

Perhaps this is what happening in Attack on Titan. Eren is trying to follow on what Eren Kruger had set out from the beginning. He is trying to free Eldians while protecting his friends and Paradise Island.

Zeke Yeager could have his own version on creating Eldia. A twisted version that involves oppression and manipulation. After all, I think that Zeke is somehow got twisted throughout the years. From his Father & Mother grooming him to become the next leader towards Marley propaganda as a boy. I believe that Zekes' mind has become warped through the ages and has conjured up his version of Eldia.

What do you guys think? This theory is very viable as Zeke appears to be arrogant and over confident to the point that he might want to shape the world according to his own ideology and it would explain the intial demands (if they weren't intended to generate chaos and throw Paradis into disarray) as Zeke would need to ensure that like Karl Fritz people follow his ideology and finally Zeke I think is probably the ringleader of this entire scenario so it makes sense that the final scenario is meant to benefit him on some level. Outside of this possibility I believe at this point that Zeke is either playing the long game and is the useable "Post" mentioned by Magath to Willy 15 chapters ago (less likely than the other two but still possible) or Zeke is on no one's side and wants to break the whole system as he does seem to dislike the whole state of the world (Ex. he gets angry when killing the SC and laments the inability of the people of the walls to change) and he seems to hate the propoganda his Dad/Mom spewed out to him. The second theory is the specific subset I'm buying into right now as I don't think Isayama will let Zeke become a true villain as while I think Zeke works better as a heel than the international man of mystery type, Isayama seems hellbent on replicating Watchmen's style of flawed characters and beyond good and evil type scenarios and thus I believe that Zeke like his brother Eren will drift closer to that stories antagonist as this story reaches it's climax.

- On a side note: Fun fact the chapter is named after a group of people important to the world of Game Of Thrones. Agree.