Board Thread:Manga/@comment-39295103-20190704080517/@comment-4383890-20190708190003

Razzylada wrote: Penguinluver1431 wrote: Ummmmm, Eldia, duh? Why is this even a discussion? Marley is clearly in the wrong here. How pointless this answer is. How predictable you are, I was sure you'd come here and say something as stupid as "mArlEy iS in ThE wRoNg". No argument, no development, nothing but a simple hate towards Marley and Marley arc without any reflexion behind it. Seriously, did you really think your answer was going to be taken in acount by Nightkathu or anyone else? Did you really think this answer would be constructive, and would put an end to the interesting debate that "Marley or Eldia, who did worse?" that Nightkathu opened with his topic? Or maybe you're just a troll?

I made two paragraphs to develop, what can be considered as "wrong" from both sides, and the final answer was: in terms of History, Eldia is far worse than Marley, but Marley could do as much suffering as Eldia if given enough time, which probably won't happen. Did you even read what I wrote? I suppose not, or you did, but you didn't take care of it and simply said "Marley is in the wrong" because you're just a pathetic guy who can't make a reflexion and you went too far in your hate towards Marley/Marley arc to change your mind. I suppose you also forgot that under the rule of some kings, Eldia has destroyed thousands of people, killing three times the current worldwide population.

And also, forgot about your "Marley is pure evil", because that litterally considering that good or bad are real stuff that could be measured, like distances or time or volumes can be. That's just notions invented by humans, nothing concrete. From an objective perspective, CURRENTLY (without considering History), Marley is """""""""worse""""""""" than Eldia, but of course, there are plenty of parameters to take in acount to explain why the current situation is taking place. Oh, and before you say that "mArlEy aRe NaZis, yOu cAn'T dEFenD thEm", I never said that I was defending them. I'm just having an objective regard on the situation, unlike you, that can't make a developement about Marley, only repeating again and again "Marley are Nazis boooo boooo they're pure evils booo boooo I'm litterally acting like a toddler that think there are good guys and bad guys in life booo boooo I live in a world where manicheism is real booo boooo".

And by the way, Marley has as much similarities with Nazis (even if they're not as extreme as them) as it has with the United States (a very similar politic of going to war against as much country as possible, heavy interventionism, trying to conquer countries to put a hand over the underground resources).

Tho, I think I should stop taking your answers in consideration, you're stubborn, worse than Eren, and living in a manicheic world. I suppose that from your POV, everyone against you is an evil person, and you're a good person. And you don't have any argument, just sentences to express your hate toward Marley arc and Marley, without any reflexion behind it. Or you just like to be against most of the people on this wiki, being stubborn, and thinking you're absolutely right and everyone else is obviously wrong. Or you're just a troll. Soooooo valuing freedom and hating Nazis is "trolling" these days? Gotcha.

On a serious note, as someone with Jewish in-laws, some of whom come from actual Holocaust survivors, I have no obligation or desire to defend Nazis, nor are you obligated to a college paper on why I don't have any empathy for any of them, real or fictional. You want to know why everything Marley arc and beyond rubs me the wrong way? Because in every other media form I enjoy[ed], they all portrayed Nazis exactly as they are; pure fucking evil. Meanwhile, AoT fandom (or at least a good chunk of it) is "oooooh boooohoooooo some emo genocidal jocks have tragic backstories and Eldia started it first so we should just give Marley a pass!". Maybe you're confused about this in the era of Trump, but portraying Nazis in the slightest of positive lights is NOT cool, nor does it equal good storytelling. MAYBE it's just a manga/anime/Japanese thing to think people are inherently good, but here in the West, sometimes people aren't as complex as other people like to brag. Sometimes people are just EVIL without rhyme or reason.

So no, I don't need to defend my anti-Marley position to you. Get over it.