Board Thread:Shingeki no Kyojin Wiki/@comment-5774380-20150322152908/@comment-424719-20150323192515

Manuel, I again hate to go down this route but you simply were not there. A great deal of what happened on and off the wiki was decided in Skype conversations between Hfc2x, myself, and Gourgeist. The best evidence we have is for everything I have said about him, the fact that it comes from an outside source is irrelevant. That only prevents him from being removed by wikia staff due to breaking the Terms of Use, it doesn’t break this internal community removing him. This idea that people can do and say whatever they want to other people just because it isn’t here is wrong. I felt it was wrong and all I ever did was the community if they agreed with me, and they did. I was made an admin Jan 23rd and made the proposal Feb 20th. I invite you to go through my contributions and see the work I did in between those times. Off the site, I was continuing my efforts to work out a compromise but hfc2x wouldn’t have it. They really aren’t assumption, and I retain the chat logs and screenshots that prove everything I said. Yes I let the situation affect me because it affected all of us. If I had said all those things about you and then decided not to promote you because I didn’t like you, wouldn’t you have some issues? And then, I refused all conversation so you had no avenue to explore our disagreements. This isn’t about my personal dislike of hfc2x, it is about the damage he was causing to the wiki.

Manuel, please stop claiming I did nothing. I have been working very hard on this wiki and as Gorugeist mentioned, both him and I sacrificed a lot of our personal time to help this wiki in any way we can. Even now, I am in the exam period of my University but still continue to sacrifice time. Also, like I said in my response to you, being semi-active was only one of the reasons. It isn’t sufficient to remove people, I just wanted to tell the whole story and make sure people didn’t say “Well he’s a big contributor so we should ignore his crimes”.

I have been criticizing this flawed argument about personal issues to Locket since day one and will continue to do so here. A bureaucrat who is abusing the two best editors on the wiki and causing unnecessary conflict is bad. He should not be a bureaucrat, just like one who refuses promotions based on personal feelings. These actions made hfc2x a bad bureaucrat in my eyes. Do you know why I brought this matter to the community? It was the only option and I say that without any drama. Either Gourg and I went on being abused and doing all the work with a bureaucrat who didn’t care, wasn’t appreciative, and was actively hurting progress on the wiki. Or, we attempt to remove him and rectify the problems he was causing on the wiki. Not only is there no way to remove a bureaucrat in private, I’ve mentioned before that I had no way of contacting hfc2x. He blocked me on Skype and refused all attempts at contact. So how were Gourg and I supposed to act in this situation? Just continue going on as we were? The two of us were both very close to quitting which would have left the wiki a miserable mess. He interfered with the wiki making his crimes not a personal issue. Refusing to promote someone because you don’t like them is not a personal issue along with his countless abuse, it shows you his mindset and how he operated. Nobody would elect a bureaucrat if he announced he was going to act like that, so why should he stay?

I would argue that I did not create this gigantic mess. My initial proposal against hfc2x was due to his actions. The resulting mess of vandals and unupdated pages were a direct result of him illegally promoting NeoSuperior. If hfc2x had acted in a good manner there never would have been the mess we have now; he is responsible for what has happened. His actions warranted removal in my opinion, and I guarantee you that no respectable wiki would promote a user to bureaucrat if they did what hfc2x did. If you dispute this claim, than I invite you to try it yourself. Try and think of it this way, if hfc2x never acted in this horrid way he did, we would never be in this situation. Also, if you consider creating community discussion and removing bad leaders a gigantic mess, than that is very troubling. Doing this is the right of all wiki users, regardless of whether or not you like the drama that comes along with it.

The Wikia Staff do not manage our wiki, this is an internal matter. Internally, you are in violation of several rules. You cannot deny that you were promoted by completely ignoring both our rules for adminship and bureaucratship. There is no clause in the rules that allows bureaucrats to just ignore them because of an ‘emergency’. The person who promoted you was also illegally promoted in the exact same manner. So while Neo may have some shred of credibility because a bureaucrat promoted him, you don’t. You were promoted by someone who never legally a bureaucrat here and you need to stop ignoring this. I’m sorry, but the only respectable thing to do is step down given you are in violation of several policies. You can’t worry about who will take over once you leave, that is totally irrelevant, as am I to this conversation. This conversation is about you and the need to step down, the only relevance I have is that I asked you to step down. Please stop avoiding this topic and trying to frame the debate to be about me, it’s about you and your violation of our policies.

These were not just ‘my’ problems, they became the wiki’s problems. What we’re we going to do when hfc2x refused to promote someone else because he didn’t like them, and Gorugeist wasn’t going to be able to convince him? Just let it go on? No, action needed to be taken to restore the wiki to proper functioning. Before I made this proposal it was a complete façade and you can ask Gourgiest. Him and I did everything while being constantly abused by hfc2x and fighting with one another due to it. The wiki couldn’t continue, there was no other alternative. I will defend to my death the right to post screenshots in self-defence. I didn’t want to, I begged hfc2x to not make me have to do it, and ultimately lost Gourgiest as a friend due to it. Also, Wikia staff told Neo that posting screenshots is not a violation of the terms of use. They are not sockpuppets and I challenge you to either prove to me that they are, or allow me to prove to you that they are not. Jinx is nearing 900 edits and keeping this wiki afloat while you refuse to honour policies. Stop calling her a sockpuppet, it is insulting and incredibly dismissive of the enormous amount of work she has done here, and continues to do here. If you still believe they were just my problems than please re-read Gorugeists post and see that it was much bigger than that.

Let me make something clear, I applied for admin so that I could officially regain my position that was illegally taken away from me. NeoSuperior never had the power to remove that rank, he wasn’t a legal bureaucrat. You do not have the right to decide promotions and I don’t need to demonstrate to you that I am suitable for admin, the decision is not yours to make. You are, exactly as Neo, an illegal bureaucrat. I’m sorry but that is just the reality of the situation. You were not legally made one so that invalidates your title as one. If you promoted me to bureaucrat and retired I would immediately demote myself back to admin, because you do not have the right or authority to promote people here. If the President appointed another President by executive action than the courts would declare him an invalid President because he violated the constitution. The situation is no different because you are in violation of our rules, our constitution. The President doesn't have the right to just ignore the constitution and declare some vague emergency, just as you don't either. The only people who have ever done that turned out to be dictators.

I happen to think I have good judgement, because I had the courage to pursue justice despite the great personal cost. I was illegally blocked and demoted along with my name and reputation being utterly destroyed. I sacrificed countless hours of my personal life, lost a very close friend in Gourgiest, and I would do it all again because I believe in the value of justice and pursuing it no matter the cost to yourself. That you are upset that we lost 3 contributors shows me that you do not hold yourself to this same standard. The three of them deserved to be removed because of what they did, you don’t exempt people from justice because they are powerful or important. I intend to hold every last member here to the same standards I hold anyone else to. You don’t get a free pass because it was an emergency, Neo didn’t so I don’t see why you should. Either adopt the wiki or be promoted fairly, there is no other way. To allow hfc2x to continue what he was doing would have been profoundly poor judgement. I would have preferred to talk this out with him, but as I’ve told you, that wasn’t possible.

The bottom line Manuel is that your opinion of me is not relevant to this discussion. You are and I hate to keep saying it, an illegal bureaucrat. Hfc2x illegally promoted NeoSuperior by ignoring the process and his suitability for the position. Then Neo, an illegal bureaucrat, promoted you to the position by ignoring the process and violation even more requirements. If you respect the rules than you must step down, fear of me taking over or anything has no relevance to this discussion.

As for Nixon, I admit that my 4th point was on shaky ground, but I still believe it holds true since he requested such a draconian action. If I was admin I would have blocked Nixon but not for that reason, rather for his countless abuse of other members on this wiki. You acknowledged it yourself and know that he has done it.