Talk:Unknown writing

hey guys
Hey guys. This is my first page. I have two points of discussion I'd like to discuss.

1. How do other users feel about the content of this page? Is this worth noting?

2. How is the formatting and overall quality?

As a side note, I have about seven or so more pictures without any spot to place them in.

Tiangong (talk) 20:08, March 25, 2015 (UTC)Tiangong


 * Hey thanks so much for contributing, I never thought of making a page like this but it is an awesome idea. Perhaps the name could be something like "Titan Language" or something like that. So yes, it is absolutely worth noting. I like the quality however, I would direct you to our image policy which is against scanlations and leaving text in the pictures, so the "Speech bubbles" should be whited out like the rest of our images. For that reason I've added deletion requests to the images, but would encourage you to re-upload version that have the speech bubbles whited out. Images should also cascade along the page. This means that, with the exception of the top right picture, the rest should start left and then go right, then left, then right etc. I would also encourage you to put the pages in the references, and you can find the format on other pages like Levi or Hange.


 * So far, the formatting is a little wonky but certainly nothing horrid, it's actually well done. I have changed what I can for now. Overall, great addition and thanks for joining our community and contributing! Message me at my wall with any questions : )--PrelateZeratul (talk) 22:22, March 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Good job! This idea hadn't crossed my mind either. I just made two changes: I clarified that "Titan Writing" is not an official name (I like it more than "Titan Language" because the only information we have at the moment is writing), and whited out the two images which had text, so there's no problem with them. :) Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 00:11, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Layout
I guess adding a space didn't work, probably because of the sentence I added to the first picture. :/ Might just have to wait till there's more info to add. EternalLocket (talk) 23:16, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Is This Page Really Necessary?
This page lists that there is "Titan Writing" on the syringes Rod Riess had, but that's not writing of any kind. It's just adornment, like filigree and such. The only place we've seen this writing is on the can of herring.

It seems more likely that it's simply a language that hasn't been used in 60+ years rather than having any direct connection to the Titans, and was only mint to hint at the fact that Ymir is actually from 60 years ago. We know that there "used to be different kinds of people", so there were probably other languages that no one can read anymore too.Nue Renji (talk) 01:00, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

I also think it's redundant, however, the last section should definitely be deleted, because it's... well, a speculation. A wikia article should be composed of facts that can be clearly referenced to a manga chapter/anime episode/any other official source. 16:09, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

I agree, feel free to reword/rewrite/remove any part that you think that shouldn't be there.--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 17:10, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

Removed the speculation from the article, as well as mentions of the syringe. Should the title of the page also be changed, perhaps to "Unknown Writing" or something similar? We don't have any evidence to link it to Titans. As I said, it seems more likely that it's simply a language that hasn't been used in 60+ years.Nue Renji (talk) 17:53, July 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * I changed it to Unknown Writing, though it's possible that Reiner lied. But I guess until we have a little more evidence of it possibly being writing, it's best to call it "Unknown" writing. EternalLocket (talk) 19:11, July 11, 2015 (UTC)

I changed the name of the page back to Titan Writing now that after some research in the matter I found that the piece of "jumbled" text Eren wrote while in Titan form in chapter 53 matched the language of the can of herring, so it is literally Titan Writing. I also found that the original creator of this page was right and the Titan Serum contains a logical language, although it wasn't in the syringes but in the bottles, and it is a different language I titled "Walls Writing". If someone thinks that these names or the information of the pages are not ok for some reason, please let me know.--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 23:31, August 14, 2016 (UTC)


 * I think it's incorrect to link Ilse's journal and Eren's Titan writing with the writing on the canned herring and wine bottle at Utgard. They bear similarities, but it's obvious that the goods found in Utgard are written in a language completely alien to the people of the Walls. Why would Eren or Ilse know anything at all about this writing system? I think it's more likely that Isayama's editors are simply playing around with various methods of simulating an original writing system for the people of the Walls rather than drawing a literal connection between Ilse, Eren, and the goods at Utgard. --GodKingReiss (talk) 23:59, August 14, 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure the writing in Ilse's notebook is not meant to be any special language for the reasons explained in the Trivia, although I do think the piece of text Eren wrote is meant to be the same language of the can of herring for a couple of reasons:
 * That chapter was released after the incident in Utgard Castle, when it was already settled that the writing right to left was meant to be the unknown language.
 * The language plays a role in the chapter as Hange specifically mentions that Eren wrote a text she could not understand.
 * The piece of text completes the sentence mentioned by Hange and reveals Grisha's fate 11 months before it was confirmed in chapter 62.
 * Unlike the easter eggs in Frieda's book and Armin's newspaper, which were very messy and difficult to read (and thus easy to go unnoticed by Isayama and his editor), these katakana are more legible; and despite being upside down from Eren's perspective, they are right-side up from the reader's perspective, and thus easy to notice by a Japanese speaker.
 * You can make any corrections that you deem necessary, though.--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 00:14, August 15, 2016 (UTC)


 * In the context of the chapter, the image of Eren writing "ate" on the ground is matched with Hange saying,
 * "You had been writing, 'I don't know how to harden myself.'"
 * followed on the next page with,
 * "Then, all of a sudden, you inexplicably wrote 'What my father did to me.' After that, your writing became so jumbled that we couldn't read what it said."
 * From this we can tell that Eren's writing concerning eating Grisha was completely legible for Hange and the others, and only afterwards did it become illegible (which seems to me that his writing regressed into chicken scratch from mental exhaustion rather than switching to another writing system).
 * Unless something hasn't been added to the Titan Writing page, those letters on the herring page don't look anything like the kanji for "Herring" (ニシン), and I can't make out any specific characters on the wine bottle. It seems more likely to me that some Wall Writing is meant to be read (by the reader) from right to left at some times and left to right at other times. But I'd rather wait until some agreement in perspective is met before moving anything anywhere. --GodKingReiss (talk) 00:31, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * The wine bottle only contains gibberish, although this is the first confirmed appearance of the unknown writing as Gelgar exclaims "Hm? What's written on it?".
 * The katakana on the can of herring is better identifiable here: http://i.imgur.com/2AowqOd.jpg
 * It must be noted that the script is intentionally modified to make it difficult to read, that's why at first glance they don't resemble the katakana too much.
 * But I think your observations are correct. I suggest moving the page back to "Unknown Writing" (other than "Titan Writing" I can't think on a better name) and adding Eren's and Ilse's cases to the Trivia as "possible cases".--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 00:42, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Seeing that image really does clear things up! I'll go ahead and add Ilse and Eren's cases to the Trivia of this page. It'll also be worth adding to the Wall Writing page since that's most likely what we're seeing canonically, just written differently by the editors. --GodKingReiss (talk) 00:55, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

Hardening bottle
any one else noticed the hardening bottle has a similer writting?

http://www.mangareader.net/shingeki-no-kyojin/66/36

Grz349 (talk) 23:36, January 13, 2016 (UTC)

I can see the similarities. We should wait for confirmation for or against any official relation before anything is added to the page GodKingReiss (talk) 01:13, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

That Day (Chapter 86)
In Chapter 86 Grisha Yeager can also read some of an ancient writing no one else can read. --Christian140 (talk) 11:53, October 8, 2016 (UTC)