Talk:Titan Shifters

Ymir's years of 'mindless' titan-ing
Was the word 'mindless' or similar word used? In the translation I read it wasnt so I cant argue for or against. I bring this up because of the existance of the Titan who cried and spoke Ymir's name, indicating a level of sophistication that Ymir must have had (or otherwise, a level of sophistication hidden from humans). I thought the point was was that Ymir was trying to condition several titans into not consuming humans, indicated by the titan crying and attempting to fight the urge to consume his captive whilst uttering Ymir, but with Ymir now a human again no longer there to keep these specific titans in check they can no longer resist the urge. That is just speculation of course.

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That exact word was not used, no. However, the information we given illustrates the standard mindless state of a Titan.

1. Instinct to eat people

2. No control over actions

3. No retained memories

4. Being trapped in a dream-like state (as shown when Eren behaved as a regular Titan and attacked Mikasa)

Therefore, a mindless state as she had no control over her actions, no memories retained from that time, and an instinctive compulsion to attack and eat people.

As for your speculation, I think that's pretty much shot down by what Ymir reveals in ch. 47. The reason the Titan reacted that way to Ilse is because she looked like Ymir, and so the Titan thought she was Ymir. It's very likely, with how we now know that people can be turned into Titans, that it knew her before it became a Titan. Not that she had been training Titans to behave themselves, as Ymir herself admits she had no control over herself during her 60 years in Titan form and ate humans.

--Harostar (talk) 04:56, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

Start out as regular titans?
Ymir didn't start out as a regular titan, she was in her titan form for 60 years and returned to human form. Gonna go ahead and edit that.

Regeneration disadvantage?
Can't remember where, but didn't Eren, somewhere in the manga, sustain a really serious injury that caused his regeneration powers to grow like a new head or something? And it had to be removed? I don't know, I might be wrong on this. Chris (talk) 00:03, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Grow a new head? o.O I don't think he has ever grown parts of body that didn't originally belong to him. 00:08, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Huh, I would have sworn...no idea where the hell that idea came from, then. Chris (talk) 00:23, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Nope, that never happened. Eren has had to regrow limbs, as have Ymir and Reiner. I'll double check later, but I believe what you might be thinking is Levi wondering whether Eren's head would grow back.

--Harostar (talk) 09:00, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Faction
So far we have been listing the antagonists as simply being "Unknown". I have been thinking about things off and on, but perhaps we should agree upon something to refer to this group? The most obvious would be simply refering to them the way they have been referenced within the manga, as "Warriors" or something to that effect. Or simply "Titan Shifters" since that seems to be the universial thing they have in common. I mean, unless I am mistaken even the term "Titan Shifter" is not official?

Thoughts, suggestions, whatever?

Harostar (talk) 13:09, September 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Titan Shifters would be a bad choice for the faction name I think, since the current Titan Shifters belong to different factions. Eren is clearly loyal to the Humans within the walls and Ymir doesn't seem to be loyal to anyone except herself and History. Only the other three have a common goal so the faction should only consist of those three with Ymir being listed as an ally, rather than a member at most.

NoNickNeeded (talk) 14:33, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe they could be called rebels, since they work against the monarchy, despite being subjects of the king.

Good point on simply referring to them as Shifters.

We do know enough about them to know that there is a much larger group out there, that has been in existence for several decades. I would disagree on "Rebels", since we do know they are a faction from outside the Walls. Their interest in the monarchy, Wall Cult, and nobility is still a mystery other than considering Historia useful.

On the other hand, "Warrior" is both the only term we've heard used to refer to them and kind of....awkward, I think? Maybe that or "Titan Homeland" or "Shifter Homeland" or something like that?

I am full of NOT SURE.

--Harostar (talk) 15:56, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem with leaving their faction as Unknown, since it's all we know about it at the moment anyways.  h fc 2 X  16:47, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Ymir's size
Okay, I saw my edit's been reverted and I'm not gonna start a war on this, so let's discuss. My point is that Ymir's titan form being only 3 meters is, simply put, ridiculous.

Exhibit A - Ymir with her fellow scouts on her back and head: http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/01/11/s/read50f054b48b5e7/img000024.jpg

Exhibit B - Ymir on Reiner, next to 1m92 Bertholdt: http://dailyanimeart.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/reiner-runs-off.png

Exhibit C - Ymir on Reiner, looking 3 meters tall, indeed... with her legs bent: http://dailyanimeart.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/irvin-brough-all-tirans-in-front-of-reiner-titan.png

Her head alone is bigger than most characters and her body and legs both look about the same size, which would put her well into the 5 meters range. She used to be listed as 7 meters and, while I agree it's a pretty big estimation, it was changed without any explanation and obviously no checking, I think it should strike anyone having read the manga that she's much bigger than 3 meters. 82.243.194.53 16:57, October 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * She's like 4 meters at most. You know, service stations are 4 meters high, and that's a lot. The problem here is that Isayama is really inconsistent when he draws heights. Annie is supposed to be a Titan, yet here you can see that she's drawn not taller than 7 meters. But if we're talking about consistency, in your third link, even if Ymir's legs are bent (her legs are super short, so they don't add too much to her height), Reiner is at least five times as tall as her. In Chapter 50, you can also see she's not very tall (indeed being large compared to a human). So, she's still inside the range of, but 4 meters is too much imo.  h fc  2 X  18:37, October 17, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's better to not state any height class, since we don't have any official number. Anything else is speculation and guesswork on our part.

--Harostar (talk) 11:58, October 20, 2013 (UTC)

Marcel?
Now that we have explicit confirmation, any thoughts on how to go about including Marcel? Unlike the other examples, his Titan form has yet to be shown. Should he be added to the larger table or simply included as a foot note, as a Shifter with an unknown Titan form? --Harostar (talk) 18:30, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Oh my god, he's a Shifter?! Is he still alive? :D Gurgatory (talk) 21:20, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Oh my god. I read this post and it blew my mind. Major, major, major spoilers here so be wary but I'm sure it's fine because lots of people here are manga readers, but.. Gurgatory (talk) 21:32, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Huh, that's an interesting theory but contradicted by one piece of information: The Shifters' mission was to find both the Coordinate AND the Beast Titan. So it couldn't be Marcel. --Harostar (talk) 21:37, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Hmm.. You're right. I'm not sure then, hmm.. Gurgatory (talk) 21:43, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

So is Marcel the Beast Titan? If you haven't already you should read the entire Tumblr post, this person analyzes every possible outcome of these events. It seems though that, by the new chapter, Marcel lost these abilities? I'm not done reading, but... Gurgatory (talk) 22:00, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Marcel doesn't appear in the chapter, he's merely mentioned by Hange and explicitly stated to have been a Titan Shifter. No reason to suspect he's alive, or make him Beast Titan candidate #5000. I sincerely doubt he would be, since Bertolt refers to it as "that thing". It's something they were looking for, not someone he personally knows. --Harostar (talk) 22:10, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Oh. Well it does bring up some very valid points, like Bertolt and Reiner gawking like children, and the Beast Titan hiding in Utgard. I guess we'll just have to wait. Gurgatory (talk) 22:17, May 3, 2014 (UTC)