Board Thread:Manga/@comment-27321453-20200408113657/@comment-45387321-20200527112532

Warrior655 wrote: Eden Ushinatta wrote: Attackcjc wrote: Ah, i see now. But, if this were the case, why would he push Mikasa and Armin away from him in such a manner? He even told Louise to throw Mikasa's scarf away. From what you've wrote it doesn't seem to me like you think that his endgame requires him getting sacrificed (i agree with you, Code Geass route is BS). If this was really what he wanted to do, there would be no need for him to cut ties with them. If his plan was just making Paradis and Marley talk, then all this drama was unnecessary.

Not to mention that the whole "talking" thing is Armin's character arc, not Eren's. It would be redundant for Isayama to give these 2 the same mindset and it would render their ideological arguments meaningless and cheap drama.

Also, it seems like you don't remember it, but Marley's treatment of Eldians is far better than that of other countries. Marley alone isn't the problem. Just a fraction of it. And Eren's actions up to now show how little self-restraint he has. He murdered innocents in Liberio and the Yeagerists did the same as well. To the rest of the world, the words of a mass-murderer who casually destroyed the walls and released the colossal titans, even if he was bluffing at the time, should mean nothing. Now that they know how real the threat of Paradis is, they would surely try to develop weapons to annihilate them all.

As such, genociding the entire world is the most effective way to eliminate the danger of the people of Paradis being wiped out from the face of the earth in a war against the world. Does it eliminate violence completely? No. It doesn't. Not at all. But does it matter? No. Because, in the end, as long as it's simply the paradisians who exist, even if a war were to break to out, it would only be between them. Which means that in the end paradisians will still be standing. Why he pushed them away is one of the many ques we still need answered from him. But from what I can tell, he wanted to push them into the right mindsets, as he wanted to free Mikasa from the slave bond (hence the scarf thing too), and he needed to snap Armin out of his pacificist mindset too, which was detrimental in this case in all honesty. On that note, look how Armin is pushing himself into a fighting attitude now. He might realize soon that just talking was never an option, and snap out of his pacifism, and then Eren might show to be more open to talks like he hopes. But all in all, he may had cut ties to keep them away from tough choices that they clearly wouldn't want to make.

I never forgot how Marley treated their eldians better, but they're also the ones pushing the propaganda against them, and THEN, they called for an unjust attack against the island and falsely called Eren a "rebel against peace". Not sure if you forgot that, but Eren wasn't the bad guy there, and his "lack of self-restraint" is an imaginary issue. What was he supposed to do? Sorry to say, but it sounds like you're bordering on another thing his unreasonable haters dwelled on: the imaginary argument of other options, which there weren't any, yet they go on saying they were and it was proven time and time again there wasn't AT ALL.

Eren's bluff with the rumbling can work, as he can prove that if he says he will "destroy the world" but then show the desire and restraint not to when he could've, that's an effective way to prove to the world that he isn't the devil. A show of force like that can work, and its the only way to really show the propaganda is false since they ate it up without considering it can be false. Even if he seemed he validated the threat at first, he didn't have a choice with how he was backed into a corner. So if he makes it look like its true only to show it isn't, that can be very persuasive.

Its ur call to believe what you think the best option is. You want to believe it is genocide? Go right ahead, I won't think anything bad of you lol but all the evidence really points to my theory more than yours. I'm not saying I will turn out right completely, as I haven't already, but most who heard my arguement realized I wasn't leaping at all, and the few who called me along the lines of a "delusional Eren fanboy" didn't necessarily have good arguments either. But either way, you were more reasonable than most who think along the same lines as you, so I have no issue you debating this with me for the sake of conversation. Here's hoping we can continue this soon next month (in a week or so) with the series HOPEFULLY returning after it went on hiatus this month, but I didn't hear anything yet about that but keeping my fingers crossed. Yeah, i do also hope that chapter 129 will be released in June, because it's already been too long.

Anyway, back to the topic, there is no such thing as an Ackerbond/slavebond whatever. This has already been disproven numerous times. Also your argument about Armin contradicts entirely your view of Eren. You say that Eren verbally and physically assaulted Armin, because he wanted to "break him out" of his "talking" mindset. Yet then you say that Eren's goal is to make Eldia and Marley talk. How does that make any sense to you?

How come Eren is not a rebel against peace? The dude can't live in peace. He couldn't live peacefully as a child, he can't live peacefully as an adult. When he was a kid he wanted to go outside the walls, slay titans and see the ocean. How is that peaceful? The dude was complaining about peace every day, he used to call the old days as "false peace". Joining the SC is anything but wanting peace. You know who wanted peace? Jean did. And Eren used to call him coward. Then Eren took part in an uprising to overthrow a monarchy that actually tried to preserve peace inside the walls. Well, the ones bound to the King's oath anyway, because the aristocrats only wanted to preserve their riches.

Post-timeskip, the "peaceful" Eren went ahead and killed civilians, got 8 SC members killed, because of his actions, then inspired a fucking fascist movement led by Hitler's son in law aka Floch, who now tries to kill his best friends, the ones he really wanted to protect. Let's also not forget another coup d'etat and breaking down all the walls, which in turned led to the deaths of many citizens that he supposedly wanted to protect and property damage. If Eren wanted to do what you say he wants, then the best action would have been to awaken noly the colossals sleeping inside Shiganshina, which had already been evacuated. It is known afterall that only the titans sleeping in Shiganshina are enough to destroy the world army. But, Eren released all of them.

And, be sure, i agree with you. I agree that he had no choice to do anything else. Especially in Liberio. Was he supposed to die? Of course not. I'm with you here. The difference between us is that i see things factually. You don't. Was Eren right or wrong to kill innocents? Who cares? It was necessary. But you can't present that as "peaceful". Of course he will be labelled as a "Rebel againt peach". And rightfully so.

Moving on to "Eren's bluff". If you think that such a retarded plan can work, then you haven't seen enough of reality. I understand that this is a work of fiction, so things like that might happen, but AoT tries to portray some things realistically. The only thing that this "bluff" shows is that Eren can threaten them and toy with their lives whenever he feels like it. He killed them in Liberio, he spares them now, he will kill them later when he wakes up the wrong way. That wouldn't be talk. That would be the entire world doing Eren's biding, until they can create weapons powerful enough to stop the Rumbling and fuck Paradis up, since it's an island filled with Eren-fanboys and fangirls. Not a single person in his/her right mind would ever trust a country led by a guy like Eren.

As for your so called "Evidence", well, you haven't provided any. You confuse evidence with "your logic". Sure it makes sense to you, but it's not supported by the story. And you would be very wrong to believe that the majority of the fandom agrees with your ideas. Personally, i think that you couldn't be more wrong in assessing Eren's goal. And i do in fact think that genocide is the only "Safe" solution. Does that mean that i want Eren to succeed? Fuck no. I want him to be defeated by Mikasa. And then i want him to get eaten by Gabi. Because i like this development better, because it improves the story. And i will prove that in a separate thread of mine. Using actual evidence. Wait until then. These arguments can be sound and all, but it is always a matter of someone point of view. Humanity beyond Paradise Island shore sees that Eldians are pure evil due to history. They believe that eradicating them (Paradise islanders) would consider justified.

However, those on the island considers themselves innocent because lack of knowledge towards history. The Paradisians never knew about humanity and history, thanks to Karl Fritz and his descendents preventing them.

Eren Yeager believes in freedom, he will fight for it against friend or foe. Since the beginning, Eren desires freedom, seeing everyone who enjoys living behind the wall are cowards, slaves and cattle. But not Eren Yeager himself, he sees an entire world representing freedom.

However, Erens' & everyone freedom are in danger when titans broke through Wall Maria and slaughtered everyone, including his own Mother. So, everyone believed it to be the end, but not Eren Yeager himself. He believes that one must fight for freedom as Eren preached multiple of times "everyone is born free", and recently "one takes away my freedom...I will take away theirs".

From the time that Wall Maria had fallen towards resealing it, Eren Yeager never knew on what is out there. That is until he learned from his Fathers' memories and once Eren saw his future ones (involving the current events of humanity wanting to destroy Paradise & more), he'd taken it upon himself on protecting its' inhabitants. He tested and learned somehow that his collegues won't raise a finger because they seem to be the given up types. Floch Forster himself has assessed that they (Survey Corp), mainy Levi Squad would stand by and do nothing in chapter 90. He (Floch) even considered Mikasa becoming a adult by giving up on Armin inheriting the Colossal Titans' power at one point when Survey Corp argued who takes it as well.

There is one mistake that you have made about Eren Yeager. It is during the uprising arc, Eren Yeager was kidnapped along with Historia Reiss by Kenny Ackermans' Military Police Brigade throughout most of that scenario. Eren Yeager didn't caused the uprising because he'd been chained and tied up all that time. The Survey Corp and Military caused that uprising themselves instead. He (Eren Yeager) was hidden away, got kidnapped and then help defeated that massive Rod Reiss Titan at the end.

Another one is about his personality. Eren Yeager isn't a cold blooded killer, he sees killing justified against enemies and bad people as humanity wanting to exterminate every Eldians too. This Manga isn't about rainbows and unicorns, it is war & survival. He needs to kill on protecting those that Eren cares and won't raise a finger on protecting themselves, despite our protagonists now growned tired of wars.

Eren Yeager will survive at the end, along side with Armin and Mikasa as well. Their friendship will remain uncertain and unsure until finding out. But the E.M.A will no doubt survive. I made no mistakes whatsoever. Eren was part of the coup d'etat, since he was a member of the SC. Not to mention that Eren was privy to Erwin's plan about overthrowing the government. Of course, if you actually paid any attention to the manga you would have known that. But, since you obviously didn't, go ahead and read chapter 54. Maybe that will help you remember.

I find it hard not to laugh when you lecture me about the manga not being about "rainbows and unicorns" and then you write "Eren Yeager will survive at the end, along side with Armin and Mikasa as well.  Their friendship will remain uncertain and unsure until finding out.  But the E.M.A will no doubt survive."

That's like the definition of "rainbows and unicorns". Eren will die, no other version of the story exists.