Talk:Reiner Braun

Reiner and Bertoldt appearance in episode 2
I was watching episode 2 and I noticed Reiner and bertoldt at 19:40, any chance to add these info to Riener's wiki page ? 41.233.15.106 20:38, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

It's already been there for a while now. Their cameo is listed under the Trivia section. --Harostar (talk) 05:15, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Personality and titan shifting sections
I removed this line from the titan shfiting section, it just doesn't seem right to me

"It's believed that the The Armored Titan is one of those capable of assuming human form at will"

i changed it into this

"The Armored Titan is capable of assuming human form at will"

Also, shoudn't we change his personality section, it makes him sound so innocent.

Silva92 (talk) 21:13, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

Spoiled
well that completely spoiled things for me. I went to titans, and then armored titans, to read up on their abilities, and was redirected to this page. Instantly telling me everything I wasn't ready to know.69.59.98.19 06:50, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

I was actually coming to the talk page for this very thing. I'm new to this wiki, but was there an old page for the Armoured and Colossal titans before the reveal? I personally believe they should at least have a minimalist page referring solely to the titans themselves, with a spoiler section linking to the characters. Especially due to the anime being so far behind, people can easily search up the titans and get mad spoilage like the person above. Aetropos (talk) 12:46, June 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Don't read any wiki for anything if you don't want to be spoiled. 58.110.38.114 04:18, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

I think that we should have a warning page before it directs you to Reiner or Bertholdts, or any titan shifters page that states that "Colossal Spoilers Ahead." I don't know how to do that. Can anyone do that? Normp571 (talk) 00:57, September 1, 2013 (UTC)normp571
 * Sigh, looks like I will have to work on that template...  h fc 2 X  01:20, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Mental Struggles?
I was reading Chapter 46, and I wouldn't say that he has any sort of mental struggles like that. He and the rest seemed very stressed, yes--lots of yelling, lots of "Urrgh!" type thinking, forehead-kneading, and trouble getting things across when things heated up. However, I didn't really see anything that implied the following trivia bullet:

"In chapter 46, it is revealed that Reiner suffers serious mental problems triggered by his attachment to the others and guilt over his crimes. This has caused him to suffer disassociative episodes, where he believes himself to genuinely be a human soldier. It is not yet known when he began to experience them, leaving many of his actions in question. Bertholdt is shown to be the only person capable of bringing him out of these episodes."

I do think that he changed his aim and decided to act more as a soldier or become one entirely, but I don't think it was a matter of him deluding himself. I was reading the English translation, but I don't seriously think I could have gotten that much wrong. I'll go over it again, but I'd like to know where this idea was pulled from, specifically a page number or line, and why it apparently came from Chapter 46. Thank you. Chris (talk) 01:37, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Chris. Re-read pages 16 through 24, during which Reiner has an episode. Ymir explicitly spells it out on page 23, stating:

"You probably couldn't bear the weight of your sins, and escaped into the delusion that you were a soldier protecting the Walls. As a result, your heart split and your memories were falsified and you looked at Bertl in shock as you could no longer engage with him."

Hope that helps.

Harostar (talk) 08:47, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

- You guys are reading WAY too far into this. The answer is simply surface value: Reiner, Bertholdt and Annie were tasked or told in whatever way that if they helped the titans kill the humans or wtv then they could go back home. Having no attacthment to these people, they agreed and broke the wall. After seeing with his own eyes what he caused, he felt guilty and spent the rest of the time acting as a soldier. Simple.

We kind of have to read this much into it. Not to mention, there's no mention of BRA ever being "tasked" with anything. What you're saying isn't really holding up with the manga.Chris (talk) 18:27, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

- Reiner definitely appears to be suffering from dissociative episodes. His shock and apparent confusion whenever Bertholdt references "warriors", or their goal of returning home, to pull him out of one are demonstrative enough; and Ymir says speciflcally that he's suffering from delusions. At which point Reiner snaps "Shut the hell up," implying that Ymir has struck a nerve, which he wouldn't if there was no truth to that statement.

The evidence that they were "tasked" with anything? Bertholdt and Reiner clearly reference a 'mission', and that they need to complete that mission before they can go home, implying that they were... you know... given a mission. The flashback to Annie's father indicates that they were being deliberately trained for the attack on the Walls. Not to mention that they were ten -- eleven or twelve, tops -- when they enacted the Fall of Maria; kids that young don't do things like that for shits and giggles. (21:22, November 29, 2013 (UTC))

Sexuality
The story didn't say that he is gay, he was implying he doesn't think he appears to be the type to be interested in women. That doesn't mean he's interested in men, it could simply mean he takes his duty to be more important to him than his personal interests. It could also be an early hint impling he wasn't human and thus didn't hold an interest in human women. It's since been established he has conflicting identities, it's possible one might be his human identity which cares for Crista and the other, the one not interested in women, could be his titan or "warrior" identity. Of all the possible interpretations, I think at this point, him being gay is the one with the least corroberating evidence. 58.110.38.114 04:18, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

http://papermoon2.tumblr.com/post/37701693191/nope-thats-not-a-mistranslation-but-the-joke Read it and tell me Reiner isn't gay.

98.200.140.107 08:56, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

The above link is one of several I have seen that point out what he actually stated in Japanese, but you're right in that we don't actually know. Because even though he said as much......well.....Reiner has been proven to be unreliable in several ways, between being a spy and having mental problems. He could have been lying to Ymir then. He could genuinely be gay, but Christa is someone he's found himself attracted to on some level regardless. He could be bisexual. He could have sexuality issues connected to his identity problems. Or....who knows? There are mixed messages in terms of that, so the only thing we can really take is that he claims in one conversation to be gay and also seems to crush on Christa, like everyone else in the 104th does.

Harostar (talk) 10:52, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

It's not that. Everyone likes Christa and wants to marry her. It's an ongoing joke (also a flaw) of Christa's character. Her profile on the official website for SNK even states that every male in the 104th training squad views her as an "idol, no, goddess." I mean, have you never heard a straight person saying that they'd marry someone of the same sex as an exception to their rule? It's the same thing here. We also often do that with people that we understand we have no chance with. We also have to consider the mental stability of Reiner's. He's obviously very torn apart by what's happening with Annie being gone and the appearance of the monkey titan thingy. His heart is dead set on fulfilling his job with Bert, but can't bring himself to do it because of the attachment that grew between him and the others. My personal guess is that he looks at Christa like a beacon of hope, something to look toward to even though he understands that he and her can't have anything; a fantasy to keep things from falling apart deliberately. I don't know, really. He's a really complex character from what we could see so far, going from a confident, polite, friendly guy to a scared, anxious, sensitive teddybear.

98.200.140.107 16:38, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Look. You guys are right but for the wrong reasons. Reiner is gay, but not because of some dumb offhand comment that you guys are taking way out of proportion....but because: as he constantly says, "I'm a warrior". Now who do we know that always says that? Yes...Fleece Johnson, a.k.a the BOOTY warrior... See, Bertholdt is always acting nervous around the dominant Reiner because...well...Reiner likes him...ans he wants him...and Bertholdt can either let Reiner have him the easy way...or the hard way...the choice is his.

This is a wiki for proven information, not your shipping matters or what you personally believe. Chris (talk) 18:23, July 25, 2013 (UTC)

chris: champion at missing the point

First of all, sign your posts by typing ~ at the end of your post. Second, Chris is right, this discussion shouldn't even be happening to begin with. 09:06, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

You guys know that people don't just have to be gay or bi...there are other sexualities Normp571 (talk) 01:03, September 1, 2013 (UTC)normp571

The meaning of Reiner Braun's Name
Can anyone give confirmation about Reiner's name being "old norse in origin"? I actually see a completely different meaning of his name: "Reiner" is German for "the pure one". "Braun" is German for the color brown. That color is also the color of the "National Socialists" in Germany. Reiner is a muscular blonde man. If he actually had blue eyes, he would be the example of a "perfect man" according to a certain dictator in the 2nd world war. I know this would be proving Godwin's law regarding Attack on Titan, but after what the mangaka did with Dot Pixis (or rather who he was based on), this would not surprise me anymore. NeoSuperior (talk) 21:04, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Most of the 104th do have old Norse names, and of course it's possible for those to coincide with other meanings. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was intentional on Isayama's part. But I think for your question, we'd have to ask someone who was familiar with Old Norse or the person who added the trivia. I think that's too far back to check, actually, maybe we could go to Isayama's twitter or something? I could try it if you want. Chris (talk) 21:21, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Edit: I was going through some translations, and while I was at it, "Reiner" seems to translate from Norwegian to "branches" in English. (This is Google translate, of course, so for all I know that's completely inaccurate) I don't suppose this could mean anything? It could be noted that Reiner has visited the Forest of Giant Trees twice. Chris (talk) 21:26, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

I just found out that the one responsible for adding the trivia about the norse origin was the user Harostar. I also played around a bit with dict.cc and found out that the word "rein" is also norwegian for "pure" (in German as well), but looking for "branch" did not result in anything close to "Reiner". Anyway, the nazi referrence I just found out has multiple aspects to it (his name, his body and his "soldier mentality"), so it is very unlikely that is a coincidence. So I would dare to add this into the trivia at some point after some others can read into this. NeoSuperior (talk) 21:50, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Click me ^_^; 21:55, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I guess it is valid after all. That is however only refering to "Reiner". My nazi reference also takes his last name, his looks and his mentality into account. We already got to know that the mangaka does not really care about political correctness that much, so this should be at least plausible. NeoSuperior (talk) 22:12, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

......wow, what in the world did I walk back into? Not even going to touch the Nazi discussion with a 10 foot pole. However, I think when we discuss name meanings and the like, we need to keep in mind that using a translation program is not the most accurate way to go about things.

Miskos3 already beat me to the punch with things, and I think it fits with how many of the characters have a name that in some way connects to an important aspect of their personality or role.

ETA: Okay, I think I will touch it at least enough to state I am very much opposed to adding that theory to the trivia. It seems in very poor taste to me, and seems like a real potential for wank and flame wars. It seems like stretching, especially since "Braun" is simply a very common German surname. I don't think there's any purposeful Nazi implications, and reaching for them is kinda in poor taste. ^_^;

--Harostar (talk) 04:46, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Lastname
"Braun" is as so many other names are a german Word/ lastname and can be translated to the color brown. also there is a german company that produces electric razors with that name wutzibu

77.5.187.226 00:37, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

We already have a discussion regarding that, above in "The meaning of Reiner Braun's Name". If you have anything to add, please post it there. I also wrote about his last name there. NeoSuperior (talk) 00:57, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Machismo?
Where did that word come from? Because you know, in spanish, machismo means "male chauvinism" (I'm natively a spanish speaker, so I know what I'm talking about lol). If the intended meaning was to say that he overflows with manliness, wouldn't it be better to use "maleness" or something like that?  h fc 2 X  08:11, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

That's a good point. I suppose the question is whether we go with literal translation ("Machismo") or with the intended meaning. Since chauvinism is not really something we see at all in the series, and it seems like their intention is to how that the Armored Titan is MANLIER THAN MANLY.

--Harostar (talk) 08:35, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

Birthday
With the newest information being leaked from the new guidebook, we now have birthdays. And I am hearing that Reiner's birthday actually contans another example of Isayama teasing the fans. Several Japanese-speaking fans have pointed out that another reading for "801" is Yaoi.

Dunno whether this should be added to Trivia or not, anyone want to fact-check? Either way, it sounds like something Isayama would do.

ETA: Okay, I managed to find out the exact nature of the joke. August 1st is "Yaoi Day".

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=801

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/08/01-1/happy-yaoi-day

"In Japanese, a short reading of "801" can be reading 8 as "ya," 0 as a western influenced "o" and 1 as "i." So, the "yaoi" numeric sequence has become otaku shorthand for the genre of male romance media."

Oh, Isayama. You troll.

Harostar (talk) 16:18, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Lol this is as good as Levi's birthday being on Christmas. Jesus Camp? 18:54, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Statistics
What is this nonsense with the statistics all over the wiki? Does this rely on a official source, or is there just some nerd pushing around some numbers? 79.245.217.113 09:54, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

There's no need to sound so rude about it. And they are official stats, taken from the Guidebooks Inside and Outside. This fan was kind enough to post translated versions of them, but I have a copy of Inside so I can confirm that these charts are in the book.

http://indulging-inaccuracy.tumblr.com/post/49673140889/official-stats-taken-from-the-character-guide

--Harostar (talk) 10:10, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. And sorry, wasn't intended to sound so rude. ^^ 79.245.217.113 20:50, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Age
I don't know if it should be here but the age should be changed to 60+ as it states on Ymir's page that she encountered Reiner 60 years ago, that would make him 78 at the youngest;but I can't believe that they "Encountered" as 1 year olds.Sinner of pride (talk) 03:56, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * No. Ymir spent 60 years as a Titan herself and finally was able to become human again 5 years ago when she encountered Reiner, Bertolt and Marcel outside Wall Maria.  h fc 2 X  04:00, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

No the page states that she encountered them and then stole the power of titans from them. How could she be a titan for 60 years without first gaining the power to do so?Sinner of pride (talk) 04:41, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * She says she stole the "Titan's power" from Reiner's people, not from Reiner himself, and even then, it's not clear if she did so 65 years ago or if she specifically refers to her devouring Marcel in 845.  h fc 2 X  05:43, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I suppose that I misread, but on another note why would we put Reiner's people if Reiner himself was 60 years from being born?Sinner of pride (talk) 16:40, January 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * What are you basing this on? Are you able to read it in Japanese or are you using a translation/scanlation? If it is the letter, then it may be a translation error. I always understood it like that: Ymir was a "normal titan" instead of a shifter. After devouring Berik/Marcel, she did not get the ability to turn into a titan. She already was a titan after all. She actually gained the ability to "turn back into a human". Of course that is only how I understood it and it makes sense for me. NeoSuperior (talk) 23:42, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * @ Dude, what even. Ymir tells Historia that because how is Historia supposed to understand why is she sentenced to death? I don't know what did you read, but either it was wrong as hell, or you didn't understand what Ymir said.
 * @Neo The japanese text says the following: 〈私は昔こいつらの仲間から「巨人の力」を盗んだ〉 (I stole the "Titan's Power" from the comrades of these guys long ago).  h fc 2 X  01:29, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Where exactly does it say that their goal was to "exterminate humanity" ? Iron within, iron without! (talk) 20:25, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 42, Reiner: "Our objective was to wipe out all the humans within the wall."RandomDudeDude (talk) 20:32, April 12, 2014 (UTC)