Talk:Annie Leonhart

Spoiler
Think its rather poor to reveal a spoiler like that she is a titan in the opening line... some merit needs to go into keeping some of the later story details hidden or atlease not at the top of the page. 184.90.183.183 10:30, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

No, the main page of the wiki clearly states that it contains heavy spoilers. Her being a Titan Shifter is a major part of her character so I don't see a reason not to include it. 10:37, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

I'm here from google, so I didn't saw main page. There should be only hidden spoilers...

94.251.242.74 20:43, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

You're a fool to believe a wiki page is spoiler free. Some awesome guy

Funny how, after watching the first season of the anime series, I was trivially curious as to why this character's name was spelt "Leonhart" instead of "Lionheart" (yes, it was that trivial). I, then, went on google and found this page, and casually had two of the currently hidden antagonists of the series be unveiled to me by the character summary at the very top of the page. Man, if only there was a way to hide information that could be seen as spoilers through some sort of "Click here" or "Hover your mouse over this area" feature (or, hell, just use coloured text) instead of just telling people that type of information without any sort of warning besides the tiny little red warning on the top of the page (which a lot of people - like me - will probably not see prior to being spoilt).

I apologize for the sarcasm, but I feel it's a good way to summarize my situation. I don't mean to offend, but please rethink your anti-spoilers policy on this website. I'm now simply not going back to read that page, and probably no other pages from this wiki, as a result. I'm going to sound sensationalistic, but how many readers who - like me - do you think aren't going to return to this website because they know they could get easily spoilt? People who didn't read the manga, but watched the series and were interested in a given aspect of a given character, and came here to read more about something that may have been hidden or obtuse in the main series or whatever. These people could've become regular readers of this wiki, or even regular editors. Going with the Caveat Emptor approach does nothing for this website's community but restrict it to people who have read the manga. 92.36.156.5 19:23, August 25, 2015 (UTC)Disappointed Passerby


 * I'm sorry of you got spoiled. I'm aware of this problem and we have discussed it several times, but it's something difficult to deal with. The reason is that our core priority is the manga, the anime is just one of numerous derivative products, and it is two years outdated, so we can't keep the articles filled only with that info. Hiding the information from the manga as you suggest would result in articles with "spots" here and there and many more entire articles completely blanked. Moreover, this situation with the spoilers is not exclusive from this Wiki, the whole Wikia network functions in the same way. As encyclopedias, our goal is to provide the most recent, complete and accurate information from the series, so if someone doesn't want to get spoiled, they should either be up to date with the manga; read the articles trying to avoid the spoilers; or simply do not read them. We have red spoiler alerts at the top of each article warning of this situation. I'm going to propose to the community another type of spoiler warning more effective, but the articles themselves will still be containing spoilers, and the reader should understand that if they ignore the warning and browse through the Wiki, it will be at their own risk of getting spoiled.--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 04:08, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Stats
Seriously? "Sexy" stat? Could we grow up a tiny bit

Tell that to the authors of the Shingeki no Kyojin INSIDE guidebook as we haven't made these stats up, they come from official sources. Also, next time, sign your posts with four ~ so we know who is talking. 16:49, October 13, 2013 (UTC)

Surname
I thought Annie's last name was spelt "Leonhardt" Is the current one the correct? If so why wasn't that one used from the start o.o

122.62.65.37 00:20, November 6, 2013 (UTC)anon
 * Because both have been used in official material, but we had a discussion some time ago, and agreed that we will use the names from the official english version manga.  h fc 2 X  00:48, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Fighting style
Her fighting style seems based on Muay Thai. Though, I don't know of throws being used in Muay Thai. 99.103.46.68 11:39, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Anime Cameo
I don't know where to put this suggestion honestly, so I guess I'll just put it in the forums.

Anyway, I would like to suggest an edit in the Annie Leonhart article, in the trivia section to add another fact thingy.

So I was watching episode 2 of the anime again, to check for the cameo of Reiner and Bertholt, but I also found another cameo, in which you can see young Annie. She can be seen receiving bread from a soldier after Eren wakes up from a dream where he met his dad.

Since I don't have an account, I cannot attach an image. However, hopefully one of you helpful wikia users can review the episode and see for yourselves.

Thanks.

That is already included in her Story section, here. 14:15, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

Abilities
I rewatched episode 21 and I concluded that the Female Type Titan possessed the same ability the Armored Titan does: Enhanced speed. She rushes at incredibly high speed when she is about to kill Petra. This is the description the Armored Titan has for this ability:

"Enhanced Speed: During the battle in the Shiganshina District, Reiner in his Titan form demonstrated enough speed to quickly cross the gap to the inner gate of Wall Maria preventing cannons from accurately firing at him. While fully armored his speed is noted to be much slower, however, Reiner has shown that he can choose to shed certain areas of his armor, such as joints located at the back of his legs, boosting his overall speed. This tactic was used several times by him successfully during his fight against Eren’s Titan form. However, the Armored Titan form is more suited for physical combat, and performs less well in running large distances seeing as how the Survey Corp were able to reach him via horseback after leaving the Forest of Giant Trees."

Given we only see the Armored Titan rushing at high speed once in the Anime (and then in the Manga afterwards) I would say Annie qualifies to be noted with this ability too? Taiki150 (talk) 22:22, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it doesn't qualify as a "special ability". They simply run, and that's not an unusual trait among Titans. The only big difference would be that Reiner and Annie are aware about what they do.  h fc 2 X  07:08, April 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * Given that according to you this is is just simply running and not an unusual trait I figure that this ability should be removed from Reiner's page?


 * And that's not quite accurate, there is a clear distinction between the way the Female Titan and Armored Titan rushed (or ran) compared to ordinary Titans. While Titans are fast, we haven't seen any other Titans rush at that speed so far in the anime (and probably also in the manga).  Taiki150 (talk) 16:53, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's why I said that Reiner and Annie are aware of what they do. Normal Titans move "automatically", because they are in a dream-like state of consciousness, while Titan Shifters (except Eren) are always fully "awake" and aware of their actions. That's why they display different behaviors, and running at high speeds qualifies more as a behavior than an ability (unless you count Reiner's "armor shedding" ability which lets him move faster).  h fc 2 X  21:25, April 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, so what it all comes down to is that Reiner's "enhanced" movement speed ability / technique should actually be called something more fitting and less confusing, like "armor shedding" maybe? Enhanced Speed is way too broad of a title for an ability. Annie enhanced her speed in that scene too, so I thought she could have this ability noted, but it seems Reiner sheds his parts which makes it more of a real ability. Taiki150 (talk) 00:19, April 17, 2014 (UTC)

Goodbye, Wall Sina
The visual novel has not yet received a full script-style translation, but a summary with some translated parts has become available to English-speaking fans.

http://plain-dude.tumblr.com/post/86014468400/summary-of-annies-vn-goodbye-wall-sina

We learn a bit more about the society within Wall Sina, particularly illegal drugs. We also learn a bit more about the relationship between Annie and Hitch, as well as Annie and her father. We get confirmation that Annie can do partial Titan transformations, and see a bit more of how regeneration in human form works. We also get confirmation that Annie's childhood training was for the purpose of her eventual mission. Nothing earth-shattering, but still a few interesting tidbits.

Harostar (talk) 08:55, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

I never read this, that's really cool. Gurgatory (talk) 08:03, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

My Thoughts
Annie's probably my favorite character in Attack on Titan. She made a great villain. Copper5 (talk) 12:36, June 5, 2014 (UTC) Copper5

What does this have to do with helping the wikia, make a forum for stuff like this please. Munchvtec (talk) 11:46, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Revision 46787 Question
Why was I told to "Stop it" in my previous revision ( 46787) ?

I would like a clear reason, seeing how I didn't intend it to be vandalism, but an addition, in order to contribute to the Wiki.

JeanLove (talk) 00:37, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

I already told you before and I assumed you read what I said but I guess not. There is no confirmation or even any hints that the corpse Annie was apologizing to was Mina. Don't get fanon mixed with canon. If it isn't completely confirmed, it doesn't belong here on this Wikia unless there are extensive hints and the such. Gurgatory (talk) 02:00, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * For future reference, the corpse was of a girl named Ruth D. Klein, according to Annie's VN. So, it's actually confirmed it isn't Mina or anyone else.  h fc 2 X  05:39, July 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Can't say I'm not disappointed but there ya go Gurgatory (talk) 08:01, July 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the revision then, I got my sources and references mixed up. Thanks for making it clear.


 * JeanLove (talk) 20:27, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

According to a newer post, an update was made and the body is now unidentifiable again. So should we change that or leave it as it is? EternalLocket (talk) 02:43, March 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if these graphic novels could be considered canon anyway. Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 16:40, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

Female Titan Arc Killing Spree
How many soldiers - both on- and off-screen (anime) or explained explicitly stated in the manga - did Annie kill in her Titan Form exactly, and why so brutally? - BlitzGundam (talk) 05:26, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

in the anime she killed 29 soldiers 7 civilians and 2 titans sawney and bean (94.175.77.10 10:25, September 2, 2015 (UTC))

Annie's Physical Appearance Detail
Excuse me for my previous (and recently undone) edit, but Eren and Armin's pages describe their respective face shape, so why do we not do the same fore every other character? I'm just asking. - BlitzGundam (talk) 23:55, October 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's right, it seems I skipped it but your edit was good, so I've restored it.
 * BTW, it had been reverted by another contributor, not by a staff member.--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 01:48, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

Her future fate
Can anyone share with me their beliefs on what they think will become of Annie? We all know that she sealed herself inside crystal to keep from talking, but what will become of her in the future? It's an unanswered question that should be answered. --Aggression25 (talk) 02:24, May 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * I refer you to our Talk Page Policy:
 * "Talk Pages must be used for discussing changes to the articles only. All general discussions must be fielded in the forum."
 * This is the second time I have to refer you to this policy. I thought we had agreed that you would read the policies and that I wouldn't have to warn you about the same issue several times again...--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 03:39, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Manga Image Update
Because Isayama's art has improved so much, and some characters have had design changes or parts of their design are now easier to see, I was thinking of updating the manga images if suitable replacements were available. For Annie I propose one of these from the flashback in chapter 70: [ONE][TWO][THREE] I was thinking that #2 would be best, but might be too big?--Nue Renji (talk) 09:49, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * I also like the second image, but it's a shame that it's cropped, and it's also too long. Character mugshots should preferably be square in order to fit appropriately in the infobox. I also somewhat like the first image, but I think the current image reflects her personality better. I don't really like the third image.--Manuel de la Fuente (talk) 18:21, June 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * I do think a lot of characters need their manga images updated, but Annie is a tough one considering she has only appeared in one chapter in like... 2 years? (I didn't check that). The chapter she was recently seen is doesn't really hold any images that we could use because it shows her more emotional, sympathetic and scared side which is not her main persona as seen in the current image. I'm sure she'll be back at some point, but for now I think her manga image should be left as is.--JinxTheFunhouse (talk) 02:47, June 4, 2016 (UTC)

Trivia Ruth D. Kline
"The name of the corpse Annie apologized to was revealed to be Ruth D. Kline, a classmate Annie was not close to." This is refering to "Lost Girls", however, these stories are not necessarily canon. The manga rather hints that it was Marco Bott she apologized to. --Christian140 (talk) 11:11, October 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, no. Okay, she is standing in front of a female soldier... --Christian140 (talk) 11:22, October 9, 2016


 * The sentence was still incorrect because "Wall Sina, Goodbye" is effectively  non-canon, I just corrected it, thank you for reporting it. :)-- Manuel de la Fuente  ( talk ) 13:41, October 9, 2016 (UTC)

​Nothing proves that Annie Leonhardt was born in Liberio. So, why some people are yet trying to write in "History" that she was born in Liberio? I don't get it.
Theend3 (talk) 17:42, January 21, 2018 (UTC)

About Annie's responsibility in the death of the Female believer in the Church of the Walls
I have already talked about this topic. My point of view is that Annie is indirectly responsible, since:

(1) What is your definition of "directly responsible"? To me, it is when someone deliberately wants to kill someone else or to endanger the life of someone else. But Annie was knocked into the chapel because Eren Yaeger punched her Titan with excessive force. Annie didn't want to kill those people and you can see her feelings about in chapter 33 p.7-8.

(2) To me Eren Yaeger is more responsible in than Annie. He deliberately knocked the Female Titan into the chapel. Eren Yaeger should have known that knocking a Titan with much force in a densely populated urban area would endanger the life of many people. Thus, Eren used dangerous military tactics for the life of civilians in a urban area and he is the first responsible for the death of the Female believer.

Also, Eren Yaeger is considered as indirectly responsible for the death of the Female believer. You can see it on Eren Yaeger's page in the section "People killed". If User Neetaku (Or someone else) still insists that Annie should be made directly responsible for the death of the Female believer, then he has to modify what he is written on Eren Yaeger's page and make him directly responsible for the death of the Female believer, otherwise it is double standard and I won't accept it.Theend3 (talk) 14:12, January 22, 2018 (UTC)

It's not about being directly responsible or not, whether she wanted it or not Annie collapsed on the church and crushed the people inside, so yes, she killed them, which is why the female believer is in the people killed. As for Eren, this is not the page to discuss about it.Dalmatia (talk) 14:47, January 22, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanations. I didn't completely understand the definition of "People killed" in this website and thus I agree with your modifications in this section. Also, in the real world where I live, ordinary people are  always considered responsible for their actions, thus, it is a bit bizarre to me that responsability is of no importance in the section "People killed". Theend3 (talk) 16:23, January 22, 2018 (UTC)

We do that, take a look at pages like Dina and Frieda for instance. Dalmatia (talk) 17:08, January 22, 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks.Theend3 (talk) 19:11, January 25, 2018 (UTC)

Picture
Since Annie's appearance is not supposed to have changed from year 850 to year 854 (no change is even pointed out in the "Appearence" section of her page), shouldn't we remove the "850" picture and only keep the "854"?

Deppintosh (talk) 11:18, 11 December 2020 (UTC)