Board Thread:Manga/@comment-27321453-20200708115559/@comment-44328804-20200710185920

Titans8U wrote: I agree that this chapter isn't a complete revelation of all the events that occurred from Eren's point of view, but I think it certainly fills in a decent amount of holes. I also believe - as you do - that the flashbacks took place before the attack on Liberio, and before he left for Marley with the other Survey Corps survivors to see the outside world for the first time (or was that Hizuru that they went to? I can't remember off the top of my head). Correct me if I'm wrong, but in that same trip, he met the foreign refugees that he had the little party with, and then later attended a meeting with the Gang about Eldians on Paradis, and left in secret when they announced their resentment for Paradis. He wasn't seen by anyone from Paradis again until the attack started, and in the meantime, he went trough the  Marley-Mid East Allies war disguised as a soldier. With that all said, he went through a lot of perspective-changing events between his conversations with Floch & Historia to his conversation with Reiner. He saw the innocent people of the world, he saw war, he saw how Eldians on the mainland were indoctrinated from birth to fight for Marley. I think that's a perfectly reasonable explanation for his shift of mindset once he got to speak to Reiner, especially since his previous interaction with him before that was extremely hostile, unlike Floch or Historia.

As for lying to Historia to get her into action, I don't think that's the case; he used true information about the MPs plans to get her into action, but she refused to take his advice because she felt that the MPs plans would regardless, come to the same conclusion as her following the Azumabito's plan of bearing children and becoming the Beast Titan, which she was on board with. Once he realized she was complacent, he revealed that he isn't, and what he was going to do about it (The Rumbling). He was confident she wouldn't reveal this information, I assume, (which has merit considering she never actaully did) and gave her the whole story anyway.

You're obviously correct that we don't know Eren's reaction to Historia's question: "What if I bear a child?" I think it was a smart writer's move to keep it open for interpretation, and the notion that Eren could potentially be the father of her child is quite interesting. And given the timeline of these events and her progress of the pregnancy when she was seen in present time, it's not completely impossible. I always found it weird that Historia would chose some farmer dude who used to chuck rocks at her as a kid to impregnate her. She could've literally chosen anyone, she's the (highly attractive) queen after all. Maybe Eren was asking Zeke about Mikasa and the Ackermans abilities trying to chalk it up to something else (as RuneLai pointed out) because he knew that if Mikasa really felt that way about him, it'd devestate her if she knew he knocked up Historia?

I guess we won't really know until more chapters come out, but I definitely agree that the mystery wasn't completely solved in this chapter. I definitely enjoyed what cracks it did fill in though; I never would've guessed the Wall Titans could swim like Olympians!! I agree that it was very enjoyable to finally get some semblance of Eren's POV, even if it left more questions than answers. I believe that was Marley he was in with his friends, with Kiymomi residing in wherever she was staying before that festival we saw in the 90's chapters. But you did help me realize there is more vast of a timeline than I previously thought between the events of chp 123 and the beginning of the Marley arc. Things may not had been that close together, and the scouts had to be staying somewhere local to the city for Eren to send a letter to them via Falco. But agreed, he definitely had a different mindset when speaking to Reiner, which was one COLOSSAL breadcrumb that he won't simply destroy the world.

That said, it makes sense he would obviously lie to Floch, and maybe he was duplicitious to Historia as well. Its not like we know he was like that with his other friends, least of all Mikasa and Armin. He was def truthful at first, but him saying he will attack the world could had been a symptom of an old mindset, like the one he had at the end of season 3, a mindset we KNOW he currently doesn't have even if it looks that way. But we still don't know how that whole conversation ended anyway. I mean we know she got pregnant and Eren seemed complacent with that given how it looks in chp 108, but right now, it sounds like Historia won him over, or acted in ways it may turn out Eren found more agreeable than the sacrifice cycle her family started that she agreed with all of a sudden due to the complexity of the Marley situation over the mindless titan one.

I still don't buy into Eren being the father, and it always suprised me that people considered that to be a red herring over Eren being "the villain" which they ate up at face value absent all reasoning. But I do agree that the whole situation wasn't handled straighforwardly, and given what happened this chapter, I agree there may be more to that aspect of the story. It may even tie into that conversation Eren had with Zeke about Mikasa is some way.

We def have to wait for more info to come out, as I'm sure there's more to the story than people think, especially since some are taking Isayma's 5-6% left statement a little too literally. Plus, somebody helped me realize recently that when Isayama made that statement, he may had been thinking of story events remaining, not the number of chapters left. I don't know if that is really the case, but it would help make sense of the fact that he seemed to be a horrible estimator with percentage, looking back at his "60% complete" statement back in 2015, which turned out to be way off in terms of chapter amounts.

Sorry for the long essay lol but I agree it was interesting to see those titans swim. It makes me also wonder why he made them swim. Those ships were toast anyway, so why take them from underneath?