Board Thread:Manga/@comment-29098965-20160719220900/@comment-29098965-20160720213625

GodKingReiss wrote: I've heard from some fan translators that the word Zeke uses for "brainwash" when speaking with Eren bears the same connotation as our use of the word when referring to how commercials or propoganda "brainwashes" us rather than literal mental manipulation.

My guess would be that Grisha's ideology of humanity in the walls being the "good guys" was picked up by Eren, something the Warriors would strongly object to for their own reasons. Thus, Grisha indirectly "brainwashed" Eren into being against the Warriors and their cause. I see your point. It is very possible that the translation is not precize. :/ Though, I understood it exactly as you say, that he was influenced by his father's "belief". Not that Grisha did it on purpose.

Just.. I cannot think of any examples in the manga which would show us that Grisha was somehow sharing his ideology with Eren. The only time, when we saw Grisha scolding Eren was when Eren murdered 2 guys (calling these people animals disguised as humans). And the only problem Grisha saw in the whole situation was that Eren was careless with his life. I think Isayama should have shown us more of these ideology "lessons", but there are none... this is why I got the idea, that Eren might have been "brainwashed" in a different way.

(Btw, is that only me or is Grisha wearing a similar necklace to the one Erwin and Pixis have? in chapter 6, page 2 )

That "We are victims of that father of yours" part is as much curious as the part about "brainwashing". If we assume that Grisha's ideology affected the way how Eren sees humanity, then how is it even relevant that they are victims of Eren's father?? I really don't get it. Basically Zeke says that somehow it's Grisha's fault that the situation is the way it is...