I ain't seen all of Code Geass, but from what I heard, Lelouch made himself the villain for everyone and staged his death for the betterment of society.
I don't want this end for attack on titan, it's unrealistic. I believe Eren is serious about his goals, and if they do end up stopping him, half of all Eldians are gonna hate the scouts for stopping Eren and the rest of the world aren't gonna stop hating Eldians.
That's a joke, right?
The characters who died due to the snap was 1. not a sacrifice in the narrative sense, and 2. were already implied that they would be revived with the use of time travel with the existence of the time gem, and Dr. Strange mentioning a possibility of winning. Therefore, they could viably be brought back.
Also, you don't need to revive dead characters to make films about them, look at Black Widow as an example. They're simply taking a look at her past to give more depth to her character.
J.K. Rowling is the queen of retconning, so it makes sense that she would screw something up like that if fixed timeline was established in the series. In AoT, however, neither option has been "established" yet.
Like poetry rhyming, Eren made a decision that ended the Levi squad, and Armin will make a decision that ruins history. These are very serious concequences, and it satisfies three types of people that 1. wanted to see Eren's plan realized, and 2. want Eren to be stopped, and 3. wanted the theme of failure and reality reflected.
If they fail, that would hurt those that wanted them to succeed. Armin failing would hurt the readers and satisfy those who wanted heartbreak like you and I. It just works out narratively speaking. It's not an asspull if it tears & prolapses your rectum in the process.
And none of your "consistent facts" supports a non-fixed timeline. It's even the contrary, every consistent facts supports a fixed timeline. Eventually, some of your "consistent facts" could support an actual time travel, but certainly not the non-fixed timeline.
Nice of you to add an extra paragraph to shift goalposts. And like I said, both non-fixed and fixed timelines in AoT are theories. They aren't confirmed to be true, so of course they contradict each other. They're literally opposite of each other, this is to be expected.
Also, fixed timeline is just as much of a theory as mine. Neither have been confirmed or denied directly from the author, and both are supported by facts. You can simply say Eren didn't use time travel because this is already the perfect outcome. Everything is already going how he wants it, and it's actually the survey corps who initiate time travel and royally screw things up. You can also say it's a fixed timeline because nobody has time travelled yet and/or what has been showed doesn't have sufficient enough evidence to be considered time travel. In the end they're both theories, and it's nothing to be worked up about until they happen in the story.
And that is your opinion. Marvel killed half of everyone then brought them back with time travel. If you want to call it bad writing, that's completely fine, you have the right to do so, that's your subjective opinion, but you can't say sacrifices weren't still made in the process. Iron Man died for good, and his daughter will not grow up with her dad. Black Widow is also gone. Nebula never got a redemption, and now Gamora never knew Peter Quill. Captain America is gone too, and the Hulk was permanently damaged, he might never fight again. Vision is also permanently dead, they won't be remaking him. As you can see, it wasn't just some happy "everybody wins" story, so don't portray the use of time travel as if that's the only way it goes.
If it were to happen, it doesn't have to be a happy ending. If they end up preventing the rumbling, you can easily write it so that the Eldians still have many hardships, and the world still hates them because they misjudged humanity and let their morality get in the way of things. I can't believe you're using the heresay of your friends as an argument to judge Marvel's writing, because it's pretty apparent that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. We can disagree on this theory, but you're not allowed to call it hogwash or the sort because you personally don't like time travel.
It's been months since I've even thought of this crack theory of the iceburst stone. I no longer believe anything about it, and don't think it's the "key"' to anything. I will happily concede that. I'm not arguing for it.
However, your argument here is full of logical error, Razzylada. You commit the "No good scottsman" fallacy by claiming that no good writer would use time travel in their ending, and because Isayama is a good writer, he would never ever use time travel. Do you think the Russo Brothers are crappy writers because they used time travel in Endgame? You're projecting your own subjective views on good writing onto Yams and stating them as objective fact, which is wrong because it's contradicted by real scenerios. You leave out the possibility that he can be both a good writer and use time travel in his works. Let's say hypothetically he does do it. You can't claim that he "never meant to" include it when he's gone on record saying he writes his stories backwards. Also, I think I've been clear that I don't 100% rely on one person's words, but instead stack them up against what's actually happening.
I'm not going to go in on how it's been hinted, as I've already argued about it with you here, and you're basically repeating the same points. You deleted all of your posts since then, so I won't be doing it again. Yes it's a theory, but it's supported by multiple consistent facts that you can't handwave so easily. We'll have to see until the end of the series to determine who was right, but for now you've more than lost this debate already.
That would be sad if Annie died an untimely death, but I have faith in Eren's plan. After all, he DID see the future, and knows the outcome of his actions.
As an adult, physically. She's technically still a kid right now.
A little off topic, but I wish I could see her grown up form. Maybe at the end of the series?
MilesTheMorales1 wrote: I love Floch unironically as a hateable character, although my heart dropped when I thought the one black guy in AoT was about to be executed under his orders. Then I would have truly hated him.
However you hate him now because he was about to kill a black guy? I get it the black guy always dies or gets killed a tiresome trope in fiction, but really? Is it because you are also dark-skinned?
I'm also black, which makes him an even more relatable character for me since he seems to be the only one in the series who is a believer in God. I just want his character to stick around for a while.
Also, I just said I don't hate Floch. He's obviously not a racist, and I'm glad he didn't end up killing Onyak, I just wouldn't have liked it if Isayama had him killed, as it seems he has more potential for character growth. Perhaps I shouldn't have said I would have hated him, more like I would enjoy him as a character less.
Losing eyes may also be a nod to Norse mythology, given that Odin lost his eye in exchange for wisdom.
Although I do have a question at the near-end of the chapter, there was a Silhouetted guy up in the tower, which even Armin says someone is watch us, who was that guy? Some say it might be Keith Shadis there which could be likely, or it might be Zeke hiding once again. What do you think?
Imagine if it were Eren.
Onyankopon must live!
So that John Boyega may play him Live Action!!!
I love Floch unironically as a hateable character, although my heart dropped when I thought the one black guy in AoT was about to be executed under his orders. Then I would have truly hated him.
How did LeviHan get Eren's message at night when he said it during the daytime? Why is Hanji's hammer allowed in the paths realm and not the wagon she was holding? Why couldn't she move when the message was given vs Mr. Leonhart being able to move enough to drop to his knees? If Hanji let go of her hammer, would it have been lost in the Paths Realm just like Mr. Leonhart's cane and groceries were?
I hope these get answered by the end of the series.
You’re actually wrong. If it doesn’t end up happening, I won’t consider it canon at all, and I’ll stop arguing it. I’m not the delusional idiot you think I am. Until that happens, I’m gonna keep arguing for it.
Funny how the Leonhart point is what makes you leave because you know the proof can’t be dismissed. You mention it as if it’s been debunked, but neither you or anyone in this thread has countered it successfully.
As for your accusation of me trying to distance myself from my own argument, I’ll double down. It’s been stated by Zeke and others that the Attack on Titan transcends time, and the Coordinate/founding Titan has been demonstrated (through Leonhart and common sense; Titan flesh has to come from somewhere) to surpass space itself. Eren and Zeke weren’t visible to anyone besides Grisha, that’s the definition of invisibility.
I’m gonna trust what Isayama himself is showing vs what your misinterpretation of what’s happening says.
I won’t consider this a debate win, as both you and Razzylada called it quits early, and, as I’ve said before, it’s not you I’m trying to convince; you’re just a means to test out my argument against the most critical and stubborn so that I can answer to the unbiased intellectuals who can see what’s in front of them.
Contrary to what my many paragraphs might show, I don’t have an abundance in free time, so I’ll have to go through your big post later down the line.
However, I will tell you how my theory can be disproven without a shadow of a doubt: prove the paths realm isn’t a physical place. It isn’t a negative claim to state that I’m wrong if you can successfully provide an alternative solution with facts and evidence, but that should prove difficult, given the fact that there is proof that the paths are physical.
The simple premise of this debate is that the paths realm lets the Attack Titan travel through time because it’s been established the PR is a physical plane of existence that transcends ours.
Everything else after that are misconceptions that I have disproven with evidence, which TKGriffiths here keeps repeating what was argued already.
I wish I would have answered this sooner, you know, before TK could misrepresent my argument. I’m not solely arguing invisibility, it’s just an implication of what’s possible due to the nature of the paths realm and what it’s demonstrated already.