You sound like a reasonable guy, and I can respect that you lost ur interest in both Eren and the story, and its morbid curiousity keeping you here. Ur not the first one I've seen do this here. but ur lack of critiquing constructively isn't helping ur case. I can respect and understand different opinions from mine, but I can only do that if the logic behind them is sound, and you failed there since you clearly missing some crucial details. Honestly, even if I shared ur stance, I'd still disagree with ur logic behind it, and from what I've seen here, people are having that issue with you, including an admin.
I'm not here to argue, let alone change ur mind about Eren and the story. I understand (and somewhat agree) with a couple things you said, but it doesn't mean much if you discuss the story without grasping the big picture. You fix that, and I wouldn't mind trading viewpoints with you, despite our vastly different opinions. If not, you may as well not comment as it can't be worth it to you discussing a viewpoint that is blunted with inaccuracies.
Well I ain't alone in feeling like Eren is way past being the hero so not sure what else there is to say, man. That's how I feel. Feel free to disagree but yeah. To hell with Eren. Eren is hellbound.
Still a crass move to do it with civilians present. Sorry, but as Mikasa said, you can't take that one back. What you said makes sense but at the same time Eren is every bit as foolish as he is determined.
Since you brought up that Mikasa moment, you should take note of the sad face Eren gives her when he sees her teary eyed. He's not cold-blooded here, he clearly isn't happy about the colaterral damage he caused. He said the same in chp 115 too. If he didn't attack, the world would've mobilized against the island, which would be an impossible fight for them. Eren really had no choice in the matter. Even if you still hold it against him, just say you don't like the nature of the attack, not that he just seemed "foolish".
On that note, in regards to ur other response, nobody is calling Eren "the hero" anymore. He is still the main protagonist, but hero is not the term anymore. We all consider him to be an anti-hero, and a very respectable one at that. Sure, us fans aren't happy with the civilians who were killed, but we understand the full picture to know that what Eren did was necessary, hence why we support him. Even if I hated Eren like you do for this, I'd still understand the story enough to know that too. He's not as "hellbound" as you may think tbh, he can be forgiven for this, which I predict he might be soon. Not saying you'll like him then, but be more open to the fact that he is not the "villain' you and few others think he is now. That way, even if its just a bad taste you guys have in ur mouth with him, you'll be easier to understand as regardless if a few of you feel this way, the argument doesn't mean anything if you can't structure it properly.
On that note, in regards to ur other response, nobody is calling Eren "the hero" anymore. He is still the main protagonist, but hero is not the term anymore. We all consider him to be an anti-hero, and a very respectable one at that. Sure, us fans aren't happy with the civilians who were killed, but we understand the full picture to know that what Eren did was necessary, hence why we support him. Even if I hated Eren like you do for this, I'd still understand the story enough to know that too. He's not as "hellbound" as you may think tbh, he can be forgiven for this, which I predict he might be soon. Not saying you'll like him then, but be more open to the fact that he is not the "villain' you and few others think he is now. That way, even if its just a bad taste you guys have in ur mouth with him, you'll be easier to understand as regardless if a few of you feel this way, the argument doesn't mean anything if you can't structure it properly.
Yes I am well aware the invasion was inevitable. But doing what he did.........If he could get into Marley largely unseen then he could've found alternative options to getting the War Hammer.
Respectable? LMAO. More than just a bad taste, dude. I'm looking forward to when he dies.
On that note, in regards to ur other response, nobody is calling Eren "the hero" anymore. He is still the main protagonist, but hero is not the term anymore. We all consider him to be an anti-hero, and a very respectable one at that. Sure, us fans aren't happy with the civilians who were killed, but we understand the full picture to know that what Eren did was necessary, hence why we support him. Even if I hated Eren like you do for this, I'd still understand the story enough to know that too. He's not as "hellbound" as you may think tbh, he can be forgiven for this, which I predict he might be soon. Not saying you'll like him then, but be more open to the fact that he is not the "villain' you and few others think he is now. That way, even if its just a bad taste you guys have in ur mouth with him, you'll be easier to understand as regardless if a few of you feel this way, the argument doesn't mean anything if you can't structure it properly.
Respectable? LMAO. More than just a bad taste, dude. I'm looking forward to when he dies.
Doubt that dude. Getting into Marley was one thing, but turning into a titan and eating the WHT while remaining covert is literally impossible. The Tybur family was the Marley equivalent to the Reiss family. Look how both were kept under tight wraps and security. But also, there were other targets Eren had to take out, like the military leaders. I know you feel there were other ways, few others threw that rebuttle out there too, but it was always 100% subjective of you guys. There were never any other ways, hence why nobody threw that in Eren's face when he returned to them following that attack.
This goes to my original point. The problem isn't the attack per se but the innocents killed in the crossfire. Doubt you would be demonizing Eren if there were no casualties like that lol besides you sound like you acknowledged him at one point. If yes, what was ur take on the trost battle against the Female titan? You know what I'm getting at lol
This is why I said "bad taste". You just feel that way cuz of the innocent collateral damage. I get that, I wasn't happy either, but I understand enough that I don't think Eren should be put to death for it. Btw, if you don't get ur wish for him to die, will you be good with that? There's a strong chance that's him holding the baby in the final panel.
On that note, in regards to ur other response, nobody is calling Eren "the hero" anymore. He is still the main protagonist, but hero is not the term anymore. We all consider him to be an anti-hero, and a very respectable one at that. Sure, us fans aren't happy with the civilians who were killed, but we understand the full picture to know that what Eren did was necessary, hence why we support him. Even if I hated Eren like you do for this, I'd still understand the story enough to know that too. He's not as "hellbound" as you may think tbh, he can be forgiven for this, which I predict he might be soon. Not saying you'll like him then, but be more open to the fact that he is not the "villain' you and few others think he is now. That way, even if its just a bad taste you guys have in ur mouth with him, you'll be easier to understand as regardless if a few of you feel this way, the argument doesn't mean anything if you can't structure it properly.
Respectable? LMAO. More than just a bad taste, dude. I'm looking forward to when he dies.
This goes to my original point. The problem isn't the attack per se but the innocents killed in the crossfire. Doubt you would be demonizing Eren if there were no casualties like that lol besides you sound like you acknowledged him at one point. If yes, what was ur take on the trost battle against the Female titan? You know what I'm getting at lol
This is why I said "bad taste". You just feel that way cuz of the innocent collateral damage. I get that, I wasn't happy either, but I understand enough that I don't think Eren should be put to death for it. Btw, if you don't get ur wish for him to die, will you be good with that? There's a strong chance that's him holding the baby in the final panel.
I do believe that was Stohess District, not Trost dude. XP Well he certainly needs to be held accountable for that. But here he knew exactly who would suffer for his actions in Liberio. Hell, Chapter 121 is still quite infuriating because if he has that kind of insight into the past and future, then I am not convinced of his inability to see what would befall his friends. But I argued at length over the nonsensical inclusion of a freaking time loop in the story, despite the earlier hints of one.
Acknowledged him on what count?
I am all too happy to say that I am just as eager to see Eren die after he takes care of the Marley as I am to see Zeke, Floch, and Garbage Braun die. XD
On that note, in regards to ur other response, nobody is calling Eren "the hero" anymore. He is still the main protagonist, but hero is not the term anymore. We all consider him to be an anti-hero, and a very respectable one at that. Sure, us fans aren't happy with the civilians who were killed, but we understand the full picture to know that what Eren did was necessary, hence why we support him. Even if I hated Eren like you do for this, I'd still understand the story enough to know that too. He's not as "hellbound" as you may think tbh, he can be forgiven for this, which I predict he might be soon. Not saying you'll like him then, but be more open to the fact that he is not the "villain' you and few others think he is now. That way, even if its just a bad taste you guys have in ur mouth with him, you'll be easier to understand as regardless if a few of you feel this way, the argument doesn't mean anything if you can't structure it properly.
I'm wondering: Would Willy have been willing (no pun intended) to call of the invasion plan and negotiate with Eren about peace if the latter, after learning that his side is the "bad guy" like he thinks, were to willingly turn himself in immediately after due to hearing the truth?
Come on, Isayama, COME ON man! Damn it.
On that note, in regards to ur other response, nobody is calling Eren "the hero" anymore. He is still the main protagonist, but hero is not the term anymore. We all consider him to be an anti-hero, and a very respectable one at that. Sure, us fans aren't happy with the civilians who were killed, but we understand the full picture to know that what Eren did was necessary, hence why we support him. Even if I hated Eren like you do for this, I'd still understand the story enough to know that too. He's not as "hellbound" as you may think tbh, he can be forgiven for this, which I predict he might be soon. Not saying you'll like him then, but be more open to the fact that he is not the "villain' you and few others think he is now. That way, even if its just a bad taste you guys have in ur mouth with him, you'll be easier to understand as regardless if a few of you feel this way, the argument doesn't mean anything if you can't structure it properly.
As I said to SunWarrior, there was no way Willy was going to call off that invasion/declaration of war. Both already knew Eren's side was "The bad guy", and Willy was clearly set on their destruction. The fact that Willy falsely made Eren public enemy #1 just cuz he has the founding power is solid proof of that. Also note how he says to Magath he doesn't care if Eldians die at all.
Yes. I got that part.