I think it may have to do with some of these factors:
1) Marley and the rest of the world originally hated Eldians due to the atrocities committed by people who are no longer alive. Eren and his friends, on the other hand, were harmed by people who are still alive.
You realize that the worldwide tyranny of the eldian empire isn't some irrelevant ancient history right. Karl Fritz building the walls and threatening to crush the rest of the world with the rumbling if they displeased him happened only a few decades (a century max) before the start of the series. Grandparents of the older people that are alive in the series at the moment would have lived through it.
As far as Marley are concerned the eldian empire is alive and well and capable of flattening them at any moment. They didn't know that Fritz brainwashed his own people into forgetting that they're the eldian empire. Neither do they know about the vow to renounce war or that the founder can only by used by royal blood (Not that either of those things stopped Eren anyway, meaning their concerns were entirely justified).
That's why they sent the warriors to paradis, to secure the founder and remove the threat. Of course the warriors killed a lot of people but you can see how they'd think it was justified to literally save the world.
This is some sick perspective. You're literally describing a 'final solution'.
BTW I am fully aware that Marley themselves are a horrible regime and would likely have no problem with wiping out all life on Paradis and taking their territory/resources once the main objective of securing the founder was complete. But despite their racist attitude towards eldians, they didn't actually wipe out the eldians within their reach on the mainland. They could have just killed them all and only kept enough alive for their warrior program if they so desired, but they didn't. They are allowed to live, albeit as second class citizens.
So I doubt they would actually want to commit genocide on the present paradis eldians once their innocence due to Fritz's brainwashing became apparent. They would likely be treated just like all the marleyan subjects of ymir rather than being exterminated.
I think it may have to do with some of these factors:
1) Marley and the rest of the world originally hated Eldians due to the atrocities committed by people who are no longer alive. Eren and his friends, on the other hand, were harmed by people who are still alive.
As far as Marley are concerned the eldian empire is alive and well and capable of flattening them at any moment. They didn't know that Fritz brainwashed his own people into forgetting that they're the eldian empire. Neither do they know about the vow to renounce war or that the founder can only by used by royal blood (Not that either of those things stopped Eren anyway, meaning their concerns were entirely justified).
That's why they sent the warriors to paradis, to secure the founder and remove the threat. Of course the warriors killed a lot of people but you can see how they'd think it was justified to literally save the world.
I thought the raising of the Walls happened a century ago, and that there was no doubt about that. Wouldn't that make your point about grandparents debunked, since nearly nobody lives to age 100? Even then, the Eldians who happened to be alive at the time would have to have been infants or toddlers, who (especially the former) obviously wouldn't remember their childhoods, by the present era,.
Yeah, I'm aware that most Marleyans are unaware of Karl Wheezer's pacifism and that threats of the Rumbling are a lie; however, I remember a few mentions of Marley's military (such as the Warriors, Tom Xaver, and possibly Magath (though my memory's more fuzzy for the third guy)) telling others that the current Coordinate holder is mentally bound by a vow of pacifism. Thus I'm pretty sure that Calvi and the other Marleyan elite know the truth about the King (after all, it does make you wonder how some of these people know about that).
Even if the imps wanted to remove the threat of the Rumbling, shouldn't they have put their brains to work and ponder why Paradis was so passive for a century?
Again, why should I value the lives of the people outside of Paradis? Most of them are beyond saving and not worth keeping alive, since they're part of the majority of humanity that keeps on failing and not learning their lessons properly. Plus, Eren could potentially use the Founding Titan to modify most surviving humans to mentally evolve and become internally better (even being a mindless drone would be better than being full of fail and inability to learn).
Also, I do gotta ask: Why wouldn't the logic of "reviving" the population after wiping out nearly all of them work?
As for not exterminating all Eldians, the only reason for that was because Marley wanted to exploit the Titans for use as superweapons, nothing more. Also, sure they could keep only enough Eldians alive for use as Warriors, but I'm pretty sure they let more continue living so they have some "spares" in case they end up with an insufficient amount of Shifters.
I thought the raising of the Walls happened a century ago, and that there was no doubt about that. Wouldn't that make your point about grandparents debunked, since nearly nobody lives to age 100? Even then, the Eldians who happened to be alive at the time would have to have been infants or toddlers, who (especially the former) obviously wouldn't remember their childhoods, by the present era,.
l'm saying that the grandparents of people who are alive today (understand what I'm saying here, I'm not saying the grandparents are alive today, I'm saying the people who they were grandparents OF are alive and in positions of power) were persecuted by the empire and lived through the great titan war first hand. They know all about the 'devils' because that description was actually true at the time. It was eldians battling and literally eating each other to gain power, with the other nations under their thumbs the whole time and likely being used as cannon fodder. Pure titans were weapons of war and levelled entire cities in the fighting.
So the view of those 'devils' is still ingrained in the culture and has been passed onto the current generation by people who experienced it. They are the ones who came up with this operation paradis plan and set it in motion so that what they lived through never happens again.
Who are you to judge that? Practically every outsider who actually understands what's going on within the walls (that most of them aren't devils anymore) has become gradually less and less racist to the point where they start self-loathing because of the lies they've been indoctrinated with. And the Marleyans who get screen time in the series happen to be child soldiers that have been trained their entire lives specifically to kill paradis eldians. That is, they're the ones who should be the worst of the worst when it comes to prejudice. And even THEY quickly learn the errors of their ways when exposed to the truth.
Not to mention Eren is destroying the entire world indiscriminately here, not just the tiny proportion who actually know the truth and continue with their prejudices despite knowing better. Are you saying Grisha was incapable of learning and would deserve to die if the rumbling happened to occur 15 years earlier? The asians? The foreign refugees they got drunk with in the tent? The volunteers?
Also, I do gotta ask: Why wouldn't the logic of "reviving" the population after wiping out nearly all of them work?
As for not exterminating all Eldians, the only reason for that was because Marley wanted to exploit the Titans for use as superweapons, nothing more. Also, sure they could keep only enough Eldians alive for use as Warriors, but I'm pretty sure they let more continue living so they have some "spares" in case they end up with an insufficient amount of Shifters.
Are you seriously asking why genocide of a people judged as 'inferior' to make way for a 'superior race' is a terrible thing?
And they clearly don't just keep the entire eldian population (hundreds of thousands) around as 'spares', that's an absurd demonization of Marley to try to force the narrative that they are completely evil and beyond hope for redemption. They allow the eldians to live somewhat normal lives. Yes they are second class citizens who suffer instititutional discrimination and poverty, but they are afforded the right to exist. Something that Eren has denied everyone outside the walls.
Geez as there is a saying that "those who don't learn from history, dooms to repeat history". And also even if say that it happened once it won't happen again except it can happen again decades or centuries later, nothing will change UNLESS someone (or someones) can see it to assure that come again.
P.s. @Drivebladesman "Karl Wheezer" is that a Jimmy Newtron reference?
You got that right. It was just a silly little nickname I found funny.
P.s. @Drivebladesman "Karl Wheezer" is that a Jimmy Newtron reference?
You're portraying this as if Eren is somehow fixing the problem of violence and oppression by killing everybody which is completely absurd. It's the ultimate form of violence and oppression, the most evil thing he could possibly do.
It's like saying you've cured a disease by killing everybody who could possibly contract it.
Hey guys, it has been a while since doing forums and comments. I have read many of your comments and they are interesting. However, the AOT manga isn't about whose right or wrong. Everyone have their own reasons to fight. While some of these people like humanity outside paradise and Marley Warriors believes taking out Paradise will bring peace. Even Zeke Yeager believes that sterilising Eldians will bring peace also. But to me, I believe that the outsiders are wrong. Wiping out a species who ancestors done terrible things in the past won't bring peace. For a starters, Zeke and humanity wanted to destroy paradise & Eldians because of centuries old history. Not to mention Zeke probably doing it because he has Mummy and Daddy issues. However, Eren Yeager is about to wipe out humanity because he knows that they are a threat towards Paradisians (his people). Like Eren said, that their hatred towards Eldians won't only destroy Paradise, but all Eldian kind as well, during his telepathic announcement.
P.s. @Drivebladesman "Karl Wheezer" is that a Jimmy Newtron reference?
It's like saying you've cured a disease by killing everybody who could possibly contract it.
How does that not work? If Eren were to exterminate every single non-Eldian and brainwash every Eldian into mindless puppets that can never feel grief or grudge (a la Bhunivelze), then wouldn't the cycle of vengeance die with the humans (since there's nothing to hint that non-Eldians have ghosts, like Eldians could potentially have in things like the Paths realm or communication with the Attack Titan through space and time)? The only flaw would be that Ymir's probably not completely under Eren's control.
I know what point you're trying to make about disease, but one could theoritically destroy a disease by killing all potential carriers, if the disease cannot be transmitted through dead lifeforms.
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P.s. @Drivebladesman "Karl Wheezer" is that a Jimmy Newtron reference?
You're portraying this as if Eren is somehow fixing the problem of violence and oppression by killing everybody which is completely absurd. It's the ultimate form of violence and oppression, the most evil thing he could possibly do.
It's like saying you've cured a disease by killing everybody who could possibly contract it.
I wasn't portraying Eren anything I was making statement that a là to real history.