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  • Manuel closed that thread before you can answer me, but what do you think about the smokescreen the titans are emitting in the last chp? I'm not sure if you said anything about it already, but either way, what's your take on it? Do you think we're in for a twist, like Isayama wants us to think Marley is being destroyed, or that its a literal smokescreen?

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    • Well, the Wall Titans naturally emit steam, and it's even more logic that they emit a lot of it when there's thousand of them in the water. There is their own steam + the steam of the water that is evaporating around them.

      Tbh, I think the "smokescreen theory" is an interesting theory, because, as I said, if they already reached Marley, it's a shame that they didn't show it (if they planed on destroying it for real). Visuals of such a scene would have been great. And the Wall Titans could just be waiting on the beach, like an occupation of Marley without destroying it. Eventually, they could be aligned around the capital and the surrounding cities, taking them in hostage, as a mirroring of the Walls on Paradise.  

      Now, we can't exclude the possibility that they haven't reached Marley, and that they're going to reach it in a few hours : this way we have chapters 129 and 130 to give a conclusion to the port battle and the end of chapter 130 (as the end of volume 32) would be the Rumbling reaching the coast, as a terrifying sight that fits pretty well the end of a volume. 

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    • That's the thing too. If Isayama was going to write the story that Eren would destroy Marley, its really ironic that this is how he's doing it. Nevermind how it makes it ironic that he didn't end the city back in chp 104 too, but between how all we got is a smokescreen this chp along with how even Hanje is unsure of what's going on over there, it really makes you question what direction the story is going in lol but not suprising we got people who honestly think Eren's genocidal rampage is confirmed when it wasn't at all. Nice to see them twist facts, more or less as usual lol

      I'm glad you like my theory, as others in the chapter thread did too.  Eren has already shown too much depth to just destroy the world, especially when saying that the world is full of people just like him.  He has to be up to something else, and I'm sure we're going to start seeing what that is soon.

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    • On a more practical level, shouldn't the rotondity of Earth prevent them from seeing the coast of Marley ? Because if Marley's coast can't be seen from Paradise, there's no real need for a smokescreen x)

      Edit : after checking, you can't see Madagascar from Mozambique. So I guess that you can't see Marley from Paradise, and it was kinda confirmed by the beach chapter/episode, we don't see the opposite coast.

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    • That's another thing I noticed too! There's no real way for Hanje to know if the titan reached Marley, as there's absolutely no way she could see the coast of Marley from Paradis. I spent this whole time scratching my head about that, that apparantly she could see the coast of Marley all of a sudden from the island, when that wasn't the case either, as like you said, confirmed by the season 3 finale when you can only see water.

      You know I only said smokescreen based off the fact that Hanje can only see the smoke they're emitting, yet she's using it to predict what's happened, and then you got Eren haters/ignorant readers reading it and using it to "validate" their stance and invalidate mine, saying its been "debunked". Thankfully most know they're twisting the facts.  But saying its a smokescreen works considering the fact that we don't know what's happening over there, and I think that's the plot device Isayama is getting at. He wants to fool readers about what's really happening as opposed to what they think is.

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  • I couldn't respond on that blog for some reason so I'm saying it here lol but I get how from chp 105 onwards Eren had a "bad" cover to his character, but it was always highly debatable to call him "the villain", along with some of the things you said. There's no proof he doesn't care, in fact, he proved the opposite between how he described war to Falco, along with how he looked at Mikasa in chp 102 when she brought up the damage he caused.  Besides, its been made clear that Eren really did have no choice but to follow through with that attack, and THERE WERE NO OTHER OPTIONS (anybody who said otherwise just wanted to hate him).  Ever since Liberio, there's been a whole number of reasons to justify Eren's actions but its not like Fire Eater could've cared less about them given his attitude post-chp 105 which got him banned. But even if he doesn't listen, there are a whole lot of fans who know better, and if I'm being honest, Eren was always a popular character, and after the time skip he won over lots more readers, including Levi fans who consider Eren considerably better now.  He was never a bad guy all of a sudden, not to get into how a change like that doesn't even make sense lol so I'm pretty sure by the end of this, Eren will be seen as a good guy again.

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    • Attackcjc wrote:

      I agree on basically everything you just said. We practically have the same opinion of Eren. The only difference is that I don't buy he is actually going to destroy the world. There was always good reasons to suggest he wouldn't destroy the world, even if him doing so made sense, and many are smart to realize that chp 123 isn't a case-closed moment, that there is more to his plan.  The whole "Eren is a villain" concept was always highly fallacious as it just didn't make sense as a character change, especially given his talk to Reiner (proof I used to change people's minds on Eren ending the world) which showed excellent character development that a few weirdly believe was shortly regressed in chp 100, which couldn't be more false.  But yeah, Eren won over many post timeskip, and let's just say he robbed Levi of many fans, their words not mine lol

      Well, when chapter 123 came out, I was also with the people saying there is still something else than about Eren's plans. Currently, it's not that I don't think this is still a possibility, it's just that I haven't really considered it since, as I don't buy de Lelouch ending. Of course there might be something else, but that's not really in my mind, and I act as if Eren's full plan was to genocide the world. In terms of storytelling, I'd be fine if it's just this, and if there's something else, I'm not against it at all, but it mostly depends of what that "something else" is. 



      A long time ago, I thought that Eren's plan was to dissociate the SoY from the Paths, making them unable to turn into Titans, etc... This way, the Titan threat would have been solved. This possibility might still be possible, and the genocide plan would be, as Eren appears to be thinking, the plan to prevent the world from destroying Paradise since they don't have Titans power anymore. After that, the Paradisians would be freed from the threat of the world and the threat of Titans power, thus fitting the "You're free" last panel.

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    • Razzylada wrote:
      Attackcjc wrote:

      I agree on basically everything you just said. We practically have the same opinion of Eren. The only difference is that I don't buy he is actually going to destroy the world. There was always good reasons to suggest he wouldn't destroy the world, even if him doing so made sense, and many are smart to realize that chp 123 isn't a case-closed moment, that there is more to his plan.  The whole "Eren is a villain" concept was always highly fallacious as it just didn't make sense as a character change, especially given his talk to Reiner (proof I used to change people's minds on Eren ending the world) which showed excellent character development that a few weirdly believe was shortly regressed in chp 100, which couldn't be more false.  But yeah, Eren won over many post timeskip, and let's just say he robbed Levi of many fans, their words not mine lol

      Well, when chapter 123 came out, I was also with the people saying there is still something else than about Eren's plans. Currently, it's not that I don't think this is still a possibility, it's just that I haven't really considered it since, as I don't buy de Lelouch ending. Of course there might be something else, but that's not really in my mind, and I act as if Eren's full plan was to genocide the world. In terms of storytelling, I'd be fine if it's just this, and if there's something else, I'm not against it at all, but it mostly depends of what that "something else" is. 



      A long time ago, I thought that Eren's plan was to dissociate the SoY from the Paths, making them unable to turn into Titans, etc... This way, the Titan threat would have been solved. This possibility might still be possible, and the genocide plan would be, as Eren appears to be thinking, the plan to prevent the world from destroying Paradise since they don't have Titans power anymore. After that, the Paradisians would be freed from the threat of the world and the threat of Titans power, thus fitting the "You're free" last panel.

      I get what you mean. I always knew that Eren's true goal was to break the war cycle somehow.  The thing is, he has to prove to Marley and the rest of the world that they aren't devils since, as instances have shown, even if the island people act peaceful, they will still be viewed as monsters. Like in chp 106 when Hanje was being nice and she almost got shot for it.  I knew that at the end, Eren would do something beneficial for everyone, but as I was able to figure before chp 100, as much as I would love both sides to talk this out, there would have to be some big fight to get there first as Marley (and by extension the rest of the world) couldn't be more misguided in their views, which Willy actually took another step making Eren public enemy #1. 

      Eren had no choice but to carry out that attack in Liberio, and while it didn't seem he planned on the Marley invasion in chp 116, I'm sure he was always planning something along the lines of what we're thinking, and either way, I knew the battle would most certainly end with Marley's defeat and subsequently learning the truth, a situation where even Reiner can finally speak the truth to his side, and a truth bomb he needs to drop very soon, as I hoped he would've by now.  Now that Eren did the rumbling, and stopped the fighting, both sides just want to talk now.  We might be getting that "something else" very soon.

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  • I had fun debating you and everyone else who challenged me. I'm still confused as to why you deleted all your posts in the thread.

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