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  • What was the point of killing historia's mother but keeping her alive?

    shouldn't the military police and the royal family care more about the heir's death than the heir's mother?

    why did they even kill Alma? Rod reiss's family was already wiped out, the mother wasn't a threat?

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    • Alma was a disgraced woman for having a child out of wedding with a married man, in old times such shame led to the woman being locked in convent or killed on the spot.

      Historia was hated by her whole family (minus Frieda) because she was proof of such shame, I dare say they only kept her around to have her eat Frieda instead of some other children of Rod.

      Rod came over the estate to take Alma and Historia back right after his wife and children died, this would have brought great shame and disgrace over the Reiss family name.

      Kenny hated the idea and made sure such thing couldn't happen then settled with the idea of having Historia die with the Survey Corps under a false name.

      It was more of Kenny's decision then the Military Police idea to such thing.

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    • but why would kenny even care about the riess name? he was rod reiss's body guard, why would he give a damn about his boss's name? it had nothing to do with him and it didn't affect him whatsoever

      we even find out his true motives was to steal the original titan power

      they literally killed Alma for no reason, no motive was expained to why she got killed.

      if anything, since you said having a child from a married man is a disgrace, then it would make more sense for her own family to kill her or something, not the other way around.

      all that matters in such cases is the offspring, not the woman, but they spared historia so there was no reason to kill alma.

      this is simply stupid.

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    • Again they probably wanted Historia to ate Frieda when the thirteen years were up.

      Kenny cared about Uri like Levi did to Erwin so it's not a far shot to think he cared about Reiss's family name.

      About the possible reasons for Alma to die:

      1) Alma was a servant, it was disgraceful for a nobleman to marry a servant expecially after the wife and children of said man died.

      2) Kenny didn't want Rod to have other children so he could have a better shot to take the power for himself.

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    • CommonSwift wrote: 2) Kenny didn't want Rod to have other children so he could have a better shot to take the power for himself.

      I suspect it's more this than anything else. Alma had been alive and shoved off to the side for years, so there was little incentive to kill for her an indiscretion made years ago. But circumstances changed when Rod ran off to the scraps of his family left after his legitimate one was killed.

      Kenny was prepared to kill both Historia and Alma, and we know Kenny actually doesn't care jack squat about Rod or even what his job is supposed to be. He was Uri's friend and wanted the power that might make him a better person.

      Letting Rod get Historia back and rekindle a relationship with Alma would threaten the sweet fortune Grisha's rampage gave him (since Kenny didn't know the bloodline was a requirement).

      I very much doubt that Kenny killed Alma under anyone's orders and Rod doesn't seem to have enough of a spine to have stood up to him.

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    • RuneLai wrote:

      CommonSwift wrote: 2) Kenny didn't want Rod to have other children so he could have a better shot to take the power for himself.

      I suspect it's more this than anything else. Alma had been alive and shoved off to the side for years, so there was little incentive to kill for her an indiscretion made years ago. But circumstances changed when Rod ran off to the scraps of his family left after his legitimate one was killed.

      Kenny was prepared to kill both Historia and Alma, and we know Kenny actually doesn't care jack squat about Rod or even what his job is supposed to be. He was Uri's friend and wanted the power that might make him a better person.

      Letting Rod get Historia back and rekindle a relationship with Alma would threaten the sweet fortune Grisha's rampage gave him (since Kenny didn't know the bloodline was a requirement).

      I very much doubt that Kenny killed Alma under anyone's orders and Rod doesn't seem to have enough of a spine to have stood up to him.

      but then why kenny let historia live?

      Also why rod and kenny waited so long to kidnap historia and eren?

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    • Narutoka5 wrote: but then why kenny let historia live?

      Also why rod and kenny waited so long to kidnap historia and eren?

      You're replying to a post I wrote a year and four months ago, so getting back into the mindset of what I was thinking when I wrote that post is a little work. ;P

      That said, what Kenny wants is the Reiss family power. He doesn't know that it's tied to lineage. He just thinks it's something you inherit. So if Historia leaves, then she doesn't inherit, which is the same situation as if she's dead.

      As for why they waited so long:

      1) They didn't know where the Founding Titan went. Grisha up and vanished on them, and he probably didn't say "My name is Grisha Yeager and my family lives in Shiganshina." Without the Founding Titan, Rod has no use for Historia because she can't inherit what isn't there.

      2) At the end of the Clash of the Titans arc (when he uses the scream), Eren makes it abundantly clear that he is the one with the Founding Titan. Rod doesn't know how the heck it got over there, but he knows where it is now, so it's not surprising that a few days later the Uprising arc begins and the government is after Eren and Historia.

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    • RuneLai wrote:

      Narutoka5 wrote: but then why kenny let historia live?

      Also why rod and kenny waited so long to kidnap historia and eren?

      You're replying to a post I wrote a year and four months ago, so getting back into the mindset of what I was thinking when I wrote that post is a little work. ;P

      That said, what Kenny wants is the Reiss family power. He doesn't know that it's tied to lineage. He just thinks it's something you inherit. So if Historia leaves, then she doesn't inherit, which is the same situation as if she's dead.

      As for why they waited so long:

      1) They didn't know where the Founding Titan went. Grisha up and vanished on them, and he probably didn't say "My name is Grisha Yeager and my family lives in Shiganshina." Without the Founding Titan, Rod has no use for Historia because she can't inherit what isn't there.

      2) At the end of the Clash of the Titans arc (when he uses the scream), Eren makes it abundantly clear that he is the one with the Founding Titan. Rod doesn't know how the heck it got over there, but he knows where it is now, so it's not surprising that a few days later the Uprising arc begins and the government is after Eren and Historia.

      Haha yes I know, I'm sorry, I just watched the anime and I'm like not understanding things since it's been so long in the manga.



      Are you completely sure kenny didn't know how it works? because I'm pretty sure he knew that uri let his niece eat him to get the power.

      and if he did not know, why not kill rod reiss then? since he's sticking around and is a potential threat for getting the power.

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    • Kenny knows that you need to eat the person with the power to get it, but he doesn't know it's tied to bloodline. He actually sulks over it in the manga when he finds out.

      Until that point, the implication is that he was working with Rod to get Eren and get the transfer ceremony going, and then he would swoop in and eat Eren himself (until he found out it doesn't work that way).

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    • RuneLai wrote:
      Kenny knows that you need to eat the person with the power to get it, but he doesn't know it's tied to bloodline. He actually sulks over it in the manga when he finds out.

      Until that point, the implication is that he was working with Rod to get Eren and get the transfer ceremony going, and then he would swoop in and eat Eren himself (until he found out it doesn't work that way).

      I see.

      also, it turns out that you weren't completely right about kenny.

      Kenny did not know that reiss's family were destroyed. rod reiss actually hide it from them, because he was afraid that if they knew his family has been wiped and that the power of the founding titan was stolen, he wouldn't have power over them.

      Also, it turns out the interior squad/the assembly did not know of historia and alma until rod went to them, hence why they ask alma and historia if they are related to rod reiss (when they capture them).

      and the reason why rod reiss wanted historia spared and sent to the army, is because he knew he needed her royal blood, and kenny did not know it is needed.

      That also would make sense why kenny would be forced to listen to rod, since he still thinks they have the power of the founding titan in their possesion.

      only after eren shifsts for the first time, is when rod starts to reveal the truth about what happened to his family, to the interior squad, because he needs eren and historia captured to get the power back.



      here is the source to everything:

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    • I've read those pages. Yes, Kenny asks if Alma and Historia are related to Rod, but it's a rhetorical question. The First Interior Squad already knows, that's why they're there. Rod is aware that there's no way out of it, which is why he says they're not related. It's not a lie to protect them. It's to uphold what will become the public truth, that he never had a mistress or a bastard daughter.

      As far as the Founding Titan goes, remember, Frieda made "public" appearances to those in the know. That's how Kenny saw Uri had passed his power down. Yes, Rod hid what really happened that night to most people, but I'm pretty sure Kenny (and by extension the assembly) would have known that the Founding Titan was lost because Frieda would have disappeared. Frieda's absence was likely apparent to everyone in the inner circle of the government and the Church of the Walls.

      That's why in present day, Kenny and the rest of the nobles are all aware of the missing Founding Titan.

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    • RuneLai wrote:
      I've read those pages. Yes, Kenny asks if Alma and Historia are related to Rod, but it's a rhetorical question. The First Interior Squad already knows, that's why they're there. Rod is aware that there's no way out of it, which is why he says they're not related. It's not a lie to protect them. It's to uphold what will become the public truth, that he never had a mistress or a bastard daughter.

      As far as the Founding Titan goes, remember, Frieda made "public" appearances to those in the know. That's how Kenny saw Uri had passed his power down. Yes, Rod hid what really happened that night to most people, but I'm pretty sure Kenny (and by extension the assembly) would have known that the Founding Titan was lost because Frieda would have disappeared. Frieda's absence was likely apparent to everyone in the inner circle of the government and the Church of the Walls.

      That's why in present day, Kenny and the rest of the nobles are all aware of the missing Founding Titan.

      Well if that was the case then it wouldn't really make sense kenny saying that once eren first shifted that's when rod started to spill information, the only people he could have tell info to was the inner circle and the assembly, if they already knew what happened to his family from day one, there would be no reason for kenny to say what he said.

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    • I have a question, i'm just an anime watcher so i'm trying to remain spoiler free. But this Rod Reiss business is VERY confusing, and i think these first 3 episodes of the anime are very weak compared to the previous seasons… It really goes from one scene and one explenatation to the other… While the last seasons had a very low amount of reveals but when they happened they were SUPER impactful… This season is throwing reveal after reveal after reveal as if it's nothing… very weak and dissapointing.

      But my question is... Why does Rod Reis allow Kenny/interior squad to threaten him and kill Historia's mother and almost Historia herself? Isn't he the KING? He was there to get them to safety right? But then Kenny says they have to die... What authority does he have, Couldn't Rod just tell him to go away and get them to safety? Does Rodd havy any power as king? I just don't understand why he tries to save them and then let the mother die... Will this get explained later why Rod seems to have no real power over his men? :S

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    • Be careful outside of the anime subforum, because we allow spoilers in all other topics. You should get the answer eventually, though it's more of a put two and two together than spelled out sort of answer.

      That said...

      Here's my take and there are spoilers because your questions are impossible to answer without them:

      WhiteOni wrote: But my question is... Why does Rod Reis allow Kenny/interior squad to threaten him and kill Historia's mother and almost Historia herself? Isn't he the KING? He was there to get them to safety right? But then Kenny says they have to die... What authority does he have, Couldn't Rod just tell him to go away and get them to safety? Does Rodd havy any power as king? I just don't understand why he tries to save them and then let the mother die... Will this get explained later why Rod seems to have no real power over his men? :S

      Rod is not that powerful. The king's authority comes from possession of the Founding Titan. Rod does not have that Titan. He is king simply because he's the only remaining member of the Reiss family until Historia is brought back into the fold.

      At the time the flashback happens, the last king and possessor of the Founding Titan had recently been killed, leaving Rod as the de facto king, but without the Titan (due to circumstances that will be shown later). The inner circle of the government is well aware of who the last real king was and that it's not Rod.

      This is likely why they are able to bully Rod around, because all he can say is that he's from the royal family, but it's like a king without a crown. He's not the whole package.

      If he's doing a good job, sure, they'll like him just fine, but they aren't afraid of him because he's just a guy from the right family rather than the real deal.

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    • RuneLai wrote: Be careful outside of the anime subforum, because we allow spoilers in all other topics. You should get the answer eventually, though it's more of a put two and two together than spelled out sort of answer.

      That said...

      Here's my take and there are spoilers because your questions are impossible to answer without them:

      WhiteOni wrote: But my question is... Why does Rod Reis allow Kenny/interior squad to threaten him and kill Historia's mother and almost Historia herself? Isn't he the KING? He was there to get them to safety right? But then Kenny says they have to die... What authority does he have, Couldn't Rod just tell him to go away and get them to safety? Does Rodd havy any power as king? I just don't understand why he tries to save them and then let the mother die... Will this get explained later why Rod seems to have no real power over his men? :S

      Rod is not that powerful. The king's authority comes from possession of the Founding Titan. Rod does not have that Titan. He is king simply because he's the only remaining member of the Reiss family until Historia is brought back into the fold.

      At the time the flashback happens, the last king and possessor of the Founding Titan had recently been killed, leaving Rod as the de facto king, but without the Titan (due to circumstances that will be shown later). The inner circle of the government is well aware of who the last real king was and that it's not Rod.

      This is likely why they are able to bully Rod around, because all he can say is that he's from the royal family, but it's like a king without a crown. He's not the whole package.

      If he's doing a good job, sure, they'll like him just fine, but they aren't afraid of him because he's just a guy from the right family rather than the real deal.

      Thanks, makes sense... But if Rod is only known as King in the inner circle.. and 99% of the public doesn't know this… Why can't they just kill him? Considering he's as u say, useless right now and no one knows he is king except for a few select people. And why does Kenny help get Historia to him instead of just killing her and be rid of this mess..

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    • WhiteOni wrote: Thanks, makes sense... But if Rod is only known as King in the inner circle.. and 99% of the public doesn't know this… Why can't they just kill him? Considering he's as u say, useless right now and no one knows he is king except for a few select people. And why does Kenny help get Historia to him instead of just killing her and be rid of this mess..

      Rod has royal blood, which is a requirement for using the Founding Titan. So they don't have a whole lot of options.

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    • I just got caught up with the anime and this was the only plot hole I found. After reading everyone's explanations, I am convinced that it's it was poorly thought out. If Rod is a puppet king and they want to keep him for his Reiss blood, they should keep Historia too to better their chances of having someone reclaim the founding titan's power. Alma's death makes no difference.  In fact I would argue it makes more sense to brainwash Historia after getting rid of Rod so that they have influence over their 'god'. (Also I just realised HIstoria should be immune to the altering of memories if she has Reiss blood)



      My conclusion is that it was written to make it seem like the Reiss family was ousted and Rod had reached an agreement with the Assembly to stay mum and was at their mercy. Without this premise, the fact that Rod wants Eren to be eaten has little emotional impact. It also makes Historia's switching sides more interesting and gives her a much more tragic backstory. 



      I would like to be proven wrong but can't seem to find a lot of discussion online. 

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    •  Theka!ser wrote:
      I just got caught up with the anime and this was the only plot hole I found. After reading everyone's explanations, I am convinced that it's it was poorly thought out. If Rod is a puppet king and they want to keep him for his Reiss blood, they should keep Historia too to better their chances of having someone reclaim the founding titan's power. Alma's death makes no difference.  In fact I would argue it makes more sense to brainwash Historia after getting rid of Rod so that they have influence over their 'god'. (Also I just realised HIstoria should be immune to the altering of memories if she has Reiss blood)

      Hmm. Let's organize the information we have about Rod/Alma/Historia:

      1. Rod Reiss impregnanted Alma, who was his servant.

      • This was seen as shameful because he has a wife already. That's why they sent away Historia and Alma to a farm, because she was proof of the affair.

      2. All of the Reiss family at the chapel, with the exception of Rod, were killed by Grisha Yeager.

      • Rod does not know the identity of the person who stole Frieda's Founding Titan, but he wants to find it as soon as possible.
      • Because of this, Rod goes to pick up Historia in case he does find the Founding Titan so she can inherit the power.

      3. On the day Rod Reiss arrives at the farm, the Interior Squad is already there.

      • As RuneLai said (#11),
         "... Kenny asks if Alma and Historia are related to Rod, but it's a rhetorical question. The First Interior Squad already knows, that's why they're there. Rod is aware that there's no way out of it, which is why he says they're not related. It's not a lie to protect them. It's to uphold what will become the public truth, that he never had a mistress or a bastard daughter."

      4. The Interior Squad wants to kill Alma and Historia.

      • As explained above by CommonSwift (#2):
        "Rod came over the estate to take Alma and Historia back right after his wife and children died, this would have brought great shame and disgrace over the Reiss family name. Kenny hated the idea and made sure such thing couldn't happen then settled with the idea of having Historia die with the Survey Corps under a false name.
      • Continued by CommonSwift (#4),
         "2) Kenny didn't want Rod to have other children so he could have a better shot to take the power for himself."
      •  Continued by RuneLai (#5),
         "I suspect it's more this than anything else. Alma had been alive and shoved off to the side for years, so there was little incentive to kill for her an indiscretion made years ago. But circumstances changed when Rod ran off to the scraps of his family left after his legitimate one was killed. Kenny was prepared to kill both Historia and Alma, and we know Kenny actually doesn't care jack squat about Rod or even what his job is supposed to be. He was Uri's friend and wanted the power that might make him a better person."

      So why did they kill Alma? I'm not exactly sure either.

      From what I can gather from the information above, Kenny and the Interior Squad knew about Alma and Historia. Rod wanted to retrieve his wife and child so the latter could inherit the Founding Titan. Kenny didn't want Rod to retrieve Historia; he wanted the power for himself. If he killed Alma, chances are, that's one less woman that Rod can have children with.

      Another reason why they could've killed Alma was for having the affair with Rod in the first place.

      Hope this helps.

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    • RuneLai wrote:

      CommonSwift wrote: 2) Kenny didn't want Rod to have other children so he could have a better shot to take the power for himself.

      I suspect it's more this than anything else. Alma had been alive and shoved off to the side for years, so there was little incentive to kill for her an indiscretion made years ago. But circumstances changed when Rod ran off to the scraps of his family left after his legitimate one was killed.

      Kenny was prepared to kill both Historia and Alma, and we know Kenny actually doesn't care jack squat about Rod or even what his job is supposed to be. He was Uri's friend and wanted the power that might make him a better person.

      Letting Rod get Historia back and rekindle a relationship with Alma would threaten the sweet fortune Grisha's rampage gave him (since Kenny didn't know the bloodline was a requirement).

      I very much doubt that Kenny killed Alma under anyone's orders and Rod doesn't seem to have enough of a spine to have stood up to him.

      Well to be fair, Rod did seem had enough spine for stopping Kenny killing Historia and allowed her to live.

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    • TheMagicalWonders wrote:
       Theka!ser wrote:
      I just got caught up with the anime and this was the only plot hole I found. After reading everyone's explanations, I am convinced that it's it was poorly thought out. If Rod is a puppet king and they want to keep him for his Reiss blood, they should keep Historia too to better their chances of having someone reclaim the founding titan's power. Alma's death makes no difference.  In fact I would argue it makes more sense to brainwash Historia after getting rid of Rod so that they have influence over their 'god'. (Also I just realised HIstoria should be immune to the altering of memories if she has Reiss blood)
      Hmm. Let's organize the information we have about Rod/Alma/Historia:

      1. Rod Reiss impregnanted Alma, who was his servant.

      • This was seen as shameful because he has a wife already. That's why they sent away Historia and Alma to a farm, because she was proof of the affair.

      2. All of the Reiss family at the chapel, with the exception of Rod, were killed by Grisha Yeager.

      • Rod does not know the identity of the person who stole Frieda's Founding Titan, but he wants to find it as soon as possible.
      • Because of this, Rod goes to pick up Historia in case he does find the Founding Titan so she can inherit the power.

      3. On the day Rod Reiss arrives at the farm, the Interior Squad is already there.

      • As RuneLai said (#11),
         "... Kenny asks if Alma and Historia are related to Rod, but it's a rhetorical question. The First Interior Squad already knows, that's why they're there. Rod is aware that there's no way out of it, which is why he says they're not related. It's not a lie to protect them. It's to uphold what will become the public truth, that he never had a mistress or a bastard daughter."

      4. The Interior Squad wants to kill Alma and Historia.

      • As explained above by CommonSwift (#2):
        "Rod came over the estate to take Alma and Historia back right after his wife and children died, this would have brought great shame and disgrace over the Reiss family name. Kenny hated the idea and made sure such thing couldn't happen then settled with the idea of having Historia die with the Survey Corps under a false name.
      • Continued by CommonSwift (#4),
         "2) Kenny didn't want Rod to have other children so he could have a better shot to take the power for himself."
      •  Continued by RuneLai (#5),
         "I suspect it's more this than anything else. Alma had been alive and shoved off to the side for years, so there was little incentive to kill for her an indiscretion made years ago. But circumstances changed when Rod ran off to the scraps of his family left after his legitimate one was killed. Kenny was prepared to kill both Historia and Alma, and we know Kenny actually doesn't care jack squat about Rod or even what his job is supposed to be. He was Uri's friend and wanted the power that might make him a better person."

      So why did they kill Alma? I'm not exactly sure either.

      From what I can gather from the information above, Kenny and the Interior Squad knew about Alma and Historia. Rod wanted to retrieve his wife and child so the latter could inherit the Founding Titan. Kenny didn't want Rod to retrieve Historia; he wanted the power for himself. If he killed Alma, chances are, that's one less woman that Rod can have children with.

      Another reason why they could've killed Alma was for having the affair with Rod in the first place.

      Hope this helps.

      I appreciate the through reply but I'm still not convinced. Killing Alma doesn't really make much difference because there really wasn't any use for her except an emotional attachment to Rod so that doesn't bother me so much. What remains unclear is the motivation for killing Historia. 

      Problems:

      1. First and foremost if everyone is so against bastard children, why do they think of Historia as the rightful heir? Why do the masses accept her as the next queen? The whole argument of preventing dishonor to the Reiss name seems to be conjecture. If dishonor was such a big deal, they would prefer Rod obtaining the Founding Titan's power because it would be unthinkable for a bastard to become their 'god'



      2. The Interior police are characterised as the hound dogs of the Assembly, manipulating information to keep the populace easy akin to North Korea or other communist regimes. If so why would they want to kill Historia and then do a 180 later?



      3. Where does Kenny's allegiance lie? If he is loyal to Reiss, there is no motivation to kill Historia. If he is following the Assembly's orders, why are they so wishywoshy? If he is doing his own thing, wouldn't there be consequences from the Assembly for killing HIstoria? 



      I'm still sticking to my theory. We were supposed to be in the dark about the legacy of the Reiss bloodline till the temple. 

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    • 1. There are two "masses" that either know about the royal family or don't, because nobody really knew of the Reiss family. The first is the public, which accepts her as the queen and knew nothing about the dishonor to the Reiss name. All they know is that the Military overthrew the old regime, which had a puppet king.

      The second is the circle of people that knew about people that have seen/known about Rod's children. Rod is scared that if word gets out among the nobles or inner circle of the government that he had an affair, he would lose the respect people had for him. Most of those people shouldn't be around now though, since they were all imprisoned. Some might still be running amok, but I suspect that they wouldn't be large in number.

      2. Dunno. We do know, however, that the Anti-Personnel Control Squad was formed two years after the Fall of Wall Maria, so they had nothing to do with Alma and Historia.

      3. Kenny's allegiance lies in... well, he wants to obtain the power of the Founding Titan. He isn't loyal to Rod Reiss, he was loyal to Uri. He only obeyed Rod so that eventually, he could obtain the Founding Titan himself. Don't know what you mean by the Assembly being wishy washy.

      On a side note, what even happened to the First Interior Squad? We haven't heard from them since the Uprising arc.

      Please forgive me if this is gibberish. That's alright. Series don't exactly hand everything to you on a silver platter 100% of the time.

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    • On a side note, what even happened to the First Interior Squad? We haven't heard from them since the Uprising arc.

      I suspect they were disbanded. Sannes was arrested, though he probably didn't get a life sentence or anything and he seemed pretty content with his lot. Others like him were probably in a similar position.

      The rest who might not have been as cruel about their duties were probably integrated into the regular Military Police, which judging from Traute Caven's comments, is where they were recruited from in the first place. So it shouldn't be too difficult for them to transition back.

      The thing is the First Interior Police reported to Rod and the Assembly. Now that they've been overthrown and the military is leading the government anyway, there's no need for a secret police that is outside of the military command structure. If they wanted to keep such a unit around, I imagine it would probably operate as a proper unit of the Military Police under Nile, but Isayama doesn't seem to like using the regular MPs as anything more than bureaucratic obstacles so I doubt he'd actually give them something interesting to do. >.>

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    • AFTER READING THE WHOLE THREAD LOOK THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE!!

      1. REISS family hold it down as the secret royal family. KENNY is loyal to URI and starts working in the interior police. KENNY also serves the counsel/royal assembly whatever you want to call them, who are also loyal to Uri Freida and the true Reiss royalty .

      2. REISS family is killed and the coordinate is lost, the interior assembly/royal bloodlines KNOW that the coordinate is lost, and so does Kenny, and it suits them because now there is no royalty,. They dont even really give a f. THIS is why they start making the anti personelle squad to protect THEIR interests, not the old order of the first king. Kenny no longer has any duty to the Reiss family, they have no founding titan, and Rod becomes the useless secret "king" of the useless public king. Kenny nor the assembly care about him.

      3. Kenny is on direct oders from the counsel to kill historia and finish off the Reiss, and also TO KILL ALMA because she will be a witness and A TESTIMENT TO THE EXISTENCE OF HISTORIA. They did not want ROD to get a hold of her and continue the secret nobility. They compromise with the church and devout first-king visionaries by letting her live by letting her go and join the military... it confuses me here but the church knew about historia and her joining the military and perhaps couldnt do anything to stop her exile.  

      4. when Erin turned out to indeed be the coordinate holder and not just an attack titan who was a threat to their newfound power, they decided that they would need to return the power to the reiss family before he ended up liberating humanity and tearing down the walls. They also want to kill erwin and disband the scouts because they found out about HISTORIA and went prying around, THIS CONFIRMS that they were self motivated and scheming .... they wanted the coordinate back with the REISS but they didnt want the world to know that their rulership was illegitamite. 

      5. KENNY is hired by the internal assembly, he has no obligation to Rod, to go and kidnap the two and bring the coordinate back home to the REISS family so the assembly can stay in power. Kenny wants it for himself, finds out that it only serves the royals, lets the kids duke it out because he dont give a f. 

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    • RuneLai wrote:

      2) At the end of the Clash of the Titans arc (when he uses the scream), Eren makes it abundantly clear that he is the one with the Founding Titan. Rod doesn't know how the heck it got over there, but he knows where it is now, so it's not surprising that a few days later the Uprising arc begins and the government is after Eren and Historia.

      Eren made it abundantly clear he was the Founding Titan the moment he transformed in Trost District since the Attack Titan was the one who ate the Founding Titan

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    • Why this thread still alive?

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    • I think the main reason why Alma died was simply because the author wanted that dramatic scene of Historia's mother being killed in front of her.

      Inside the story, logically speaking, I think there was more reason for her to live than to die. Rod Reiss wanted to bring "God" back, so he went looking for Historia, his last heir. When Kenny shows up to kill them, following orders from the Counsel and for his own interest in becoming the King himself, Rod could have told just him that he can't become a titan, due to his Arkerman blood, which, if true, Kenny could even test himself. Even if he could become a titan, he would still not be able to become the King for not being part of the royal bloodline. Kenny was close to Uri, he probably knew he had to eat his father 13 before he was eaten by Frieda. I think Rod would have been able to convince Kenny to help him get the Founding Titan back, in order to bring "Uri" back, as he would have wanted, and also because Rod could have told him that only "Uri" would have the power to stop the Titans from destroying humanity.

      The Counsel knew the Reiss family had the power to alter memories. Rod could have told them that the King had the power to stop the titans, but his power was stolen. If they wanted to survive the Titans and remain in power, they would need to find and recover the Founding Titan, and in order for the True king to return, he would need to reestablish the royal bloodline of sucesion, and for that he would need Alma (the "only one who understood him"), since his wife was killed. Even if Historia was alive, Rod should have probably started having some other kids in order to ensure the line of succession, and in case anything happened to Historia. That's what I think Rod could have done.

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