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    • RIP YMIR 

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    • Chapter 93, AKA "How to Disprove 75% of GKR's Theories in 45 Pages" :(

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    • Welp, so much for "Isayama would never kill Ymir off-screen!".

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    • Here goes all hope of Ymir's survival. Now we will never find out how was she able to read the writing on the herring can, we will never know what her actions meant, we won't know anything. Let's hope Isayama has got something in mind. I'm glad we got some more answers though.

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    • Ymir ;_; 

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    • GodKingReiss wrote:
      Chapter 93, AKA "How to Disprove 75% of GKR's Theories in 45 Pages" :(

      Who is GKR ?

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:
      GodKingReiss wrote:
      Chapter 93, AKA "How to Disprove 75% of GKR's Theories in 45 Pages" :(
      Who is GKR ?

      That's just my preferred abbreviation.

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    • RIP Ymir. :'(

      Otherwise, this was a fabulous chapter and definitely one of my favorites in the whole series. I'm really starting to like our new Eldian bunch.

      Also anybody starting to wonder if Zeke might be planning to betray his Marley overlords?

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    • Not here! What makes you say that?

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:
      RIP Ymir. :'(

      Otherwise, this was a fabulous chapter and definitely one of my favorites in the whole series. I'm really starting to like our new Eldian bunch.

      Also anybody starting to wonder if Zeke might be planning to betray his Marley overlords?


      Would love to see him help Eren Control the Cooridante cause y'know Zeke being royal blood and stuff 

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    • ...Isayama...I hate you...poor Ymir...T_T


      Wait if titans take orders from Zeke because he had royal blood despite him not having the coordinate, does that mean Annie has royal blood? she did call a bunch of titans to her and didn't eat her.


      Zeke = Annie's daddy confirmed? (math doesn't agree with me XD)

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    • He must be 29 by now and Annie is 20 :D

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    • Dalmatia wrote:
      He must be 29 by now and Annie is 20 :D


      I told you math didn't agree with me XD

      Maybe Annie's father is Zeke's grandpa from mother side.

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    • Lol, I shall not tell you what was my score for my high school diploma :p 

      Aaaah, more theories!! that will be crushed by the manga in no time

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    • TheDANNY96 wrote:
      Here goes all hope of Ymir's survival. Now we will never find out how was she able to read the writing on the herring can, we will never know what her actions meant, we won't know anything. Let's hope Isayama has got something in mind. I'm glad we got some more answers though.

      She was able to read the can because it was Marley language I believe, her actions were all in self-preservation unless Historia is involved. Her story was told in the letter she wrote to Historia, I believe that has the answers you're looking for :)

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    • GodKingReiss wrote:
      Tdfern14 wrote:
      GodKingReiss wrote:
      Chapter 93, AKA "How to Disprove 75% of GKR's Theories in 45 Pages" :(
      Who is GKR ?
      That's just my preferred abbreviation.

      Oh right....thanks.

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    • Looks like we've only seen 8 of the 9 titan shifters so far.

      I wonder what the last one is and what its unqiue abilities are?

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    • LilMissMolly wrote:
      TheDANNY96 wrote:
      Here goes all hope of Ymir's survival. Now we will never find out how was she able to read the writing on the herring can, we will never know what her actions meant, we won't know anything. Let's hope Isayama has got something in mind. I'm glad we got some more answers though.
      She was able to read the can because it was Marley language I believe, her actions were all in self-preservation unless Historia is involved. Her story was told in the letter she wrote to Historia, I believe that has the answers you're looking for :)

      If that was Marley language then Reiner should've been able to read it too, but as far as I rememeber he wasn't. If in chapter 50 she chose to go with Reiner and Bertolt for self-preservation that doesn't make any sense, since she knew all along that going with them might've meant her eaten by one of the Marley warriors. I thought she had hidden motives and I thought there was a hidden message in the letter (especially the part where she says "My only regret is I haven't married you yet").

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    • TheDANNY96 wrote:
      LilMissMolly wrote:
      TheDANNY96 wrote:
      Here goes all hope of Ymir's survival. Now we will never find out how was she able to read the writing on the herring can, we will never know what her actions meant, we won't know anything. Let's hope Isayama has got something in mind. I'm glad we got some more answers though.
      She was able to read the can because it was Marley language I believe, her actions were all in self-preservation unless Historia is involved. Her story was told in the letter she wrote to Historia, I believe that has the answers you're looking for :)
      If that was Marley language then Reiner should've been able to read it too, but as far as I rememeber he wasn't. If in chapter 50 she chose to go with Reiner and Bertolt for self-preservation that doesn't make any sense, since she knew all along that going with them might've meant her eaten by one of the Marley warriors. I thought she had hidden motives and I thought there was a hidden message in the letter (especially the part where she says "My only regret is I haven't married you yet").

      She went with Reiner and Betholdt because Marcel, she felt as though she owed them. This was her repaying her debt. And I thought Reiner could read it too, but he was semi acting like he didn't because he was undercover. I forgot all about Marcel, but she acted out of love for Historia and guilt of Marcel.

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    • Dalmatia wrote: Not here! What makes you say that?

      Just a gut feeling. For example, he's SPOILER: kept his royal lineage a secret from the Marley and SPOILER: His promise to Eren makes it seem that he wants to team up with his brother for his own purposes, not Marley's.

      I'm also getting a discontented vibe from several of the other Eldians under the Marley rule.

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      Just a gut feeling. For example, he's SPOILER: kept his royal lineage a secret from the Marley and SPOILER: His promise to Eren makes it seem that he wants to team up with his brother for his own purposes, not Marley's.

      I'm also getting a discontented vibe from several of the other Eldians under the Marley rule.

      Oh, yeah! That sounds interesting. If this happens I laugh.

      Are you thinking of Falco (and maybe Reiner)?

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    • Dalmatia wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Just a gut feeling. For example, he's SPOILER: kept his royal lineage a secret from the Marley and SPOILER: His promise to Eren makes it seem that he wants to team up with his brother for his own purposes, not Marley's.

      I'm also getting a discontented vibe from several of the other Eldians under the Marley rule.

      Oh, yeah! That sounds interesting. If this happens I laugh.

      Are you thinking of Falco (and maybe Reiner)?

      Yes.

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    • Hello

      Listen I will discuss Ymir another time I am aware of the fate she endured but something is still bothering me about her for some reason and the people on discord have been ridiculing me over it. I carry no grudge nor am I angry over it But I may disscuss it later in a different post.

      Anyways this chapter has more questions than answers. Who will inherit who's Titan? What will Gabi do? etc. The drawing of Eren and Armin in their titan forms is great to look at as its the first time we've seen it. But it begs one question: Is it real or Zeke's imagination? Then again Zeke does know they are using at least 2 Titans so he might have reasonably inferred that it would be the Collosal Titan that was taken. Also There is one more battle to fight one that will include many deaths(It's war after all). Their are many questions about this Final Arc (Do we have a name for it yet?). But Chapter 93 is the beginning of the end of Attack on Titan. Also, the expanded map includes a resemblence to Europe,Russia, and I think Asia.(No America BOOO). But there is one more question that we may have: Is the Curse of Ymir real? It may or may not be. Hajime may not use a character as an example. But he may kill off Eren at the ending of the story. As a fellow writer you can detect when someone is considering to do that. I killed off my own protagonist at the ending of my third story and gave the protagonist role to someone else. If I can do that what do you think Hajime will do? Until then my friends I hope that you enjoy the rest of Season 2 and the rest of the Manga. Don't worry I'll still be here making predictions on certain plot points.

      PS: War,war never changes

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    • AhmedHadi1 wrote:
      Welp, so much for "Isayama would never kill Ymir off-screen!".

      Dont think that I dont know who you are referencing.

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    • Hello everyone, I have a theory about how it will all end. I think that they will try to "fuse" all the titan shifters back together to revive the powers of Ymir, the same way that Eren has currently the power of two of the titans, we will have a new character (maybe) that will have all of them, probably to take down Marley, and it will be from the Fritz family to control The Coordinate, it would explain the appearance of the new cast.

      Anyway... Hello again, I am new here, I don't know if this is the right place to post this theory, or if anyone came up with something like this, please correct me if I'm wrong.

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    • GOD DAMN IT!!! *arms up* I'm gonna kill those bastards!!!

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    • Baguedes1 wrote:
      Hello everyone, I have a theory about how it will all end. I think that they will try to "fuse" all the titan shifters back together to revive the powers of Ymir, the same way that Eren has currently the power of two of the titans, we will have a new character (maybe) that will have all of them, probably to take down Marley, and it will be from the Fritz family to control The Coordinate, it would explain the appearance of the new cast.

      Anyway... Hello again, I am new here, I don't know if this is the right place to post this theory, or if anyone came up with something like this, please correct me if I'm wrong.

      OF COURSE why didn't I think of that. But then again Eren would have to eat Armin and find some way to get Annie out of her shell. It may be one of the goals of Marley right now but who knows.

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    • I think that it would not be Eren, since he has little to no time to live next, the introduction of the new cast made me think that either Zeke's daughter or Historia's might be the one who ends it all. As for Annie, probably Marley has a way to do that, they might have taught the warriors to do that in the worst case scenario. It would make sense being Zeke's though, since he said that it would be one of his child who will finish the job.

      Edit: Fixed some grammar

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    • Baguedes1 wrote: I think that it would not be Eren, since he has little to no time to live next, the introduction of the new cast made me think that either Zeke's daughter or Historia's might be the one who ends it all. As for Annie, probably Marley has a way to do that, they might have taught the warriors to do that in the worst case scenario. It would make sense being Zeke's though, since he said that it would be one of his child who will finish the job.

      Edit: Fixed some grammar

      Eren should still have 4 years left to live.

      Edit: Zeke has no children. He was referring to himself as the child of Grisha.

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    • Oh, I didn't understand that while reading it, thanks for explaining.

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    • Baguedes1 wrote: Oh, I didn't understand that while reading it, thanks for explaining.

      No problem :)

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      Baguedes1 wrote: Oh, I didn't understand that while reading it, thanks for explaining.

      No problem :)

      If you'll excuse me, I'm gonna do the WORST possible thing I can think of: bludgeon those Marley cowards to death! *gets up and leaves, arriving at the Marley government HQ holding a metal bat* ALL RIGHT YOU BASTARDS, YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR YOUR CRIMES!!!!

      Zeke: What the-!?

      Reiner: Huh? *they get beaten up*

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    • R.I.P Ymir. There goes the theories that Zeke ate her.

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    • Heir of Revan wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Baguedes1 wrote: Oh, I didn't understand that while reading it, thanks for explaining.

      No problem :)

      If you'll excuse me, I'm gonna do the WORST possible thing I can think of: bludgeon those Marley cowards to death! *gets up and leaves, arriving at the Marley government HQ holding a metal bat* ALL RIGHT YOU BASTARDS, YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR YOUR CRIMES!!!!

      Zeke: What the-!?

      Reiner: Huh? *they get beaten up*

      Say what now?

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    • Sim0n2170 wrote: R.I.P Ymir. There goes the theories that Zeke ate her.

      Why the hell would Zeke eat her

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    • Darius4710 wrote: RIP YMIR 

      She will be forever missed! You think Historia will ever find out?

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      Darius4710 wrote: RIP YMIR 

      She will be forever missed! You think Historia will ever find out?

      She'll probably never know

      • Skipper from Madagascar walks in*

      Skipper: She didn't See anything. Right?


      Historia: Yes sir!


      I love jokes

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    • Senatedude14 wrote:

      Aggression25 wrote:

      Darius4710 wrote: RIP YMIR 

      She will be forever missed! You think Historia will ever find out?

      She'll probably never know

      • Skipper from Madagascar walks in*

      Skipper: She didn't See anything. Right?


      Historia: Yes sir!


      I love jokes

      Pity.

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    • Well, so much for Ymir :(

      Ehh, I could predict she wouldn't last a lot longer...

      On another note, I wonder if Eren has found out Zeke is his half-brother yet...

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      Darius4710 wrote: RIP YMIR 

      She will be forever missed! You think Historia will ever find out?

      I would imagine she likely came to that conclusion long ago when she read Ymir's note.

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    • Pretty good chapter overall. Easily the best one since this shift over to Marley.

      I honestly figured Ymir was long dead. I'm not exactly choked up about it though. I didn't dislike her character but she was never a personal favorite of mine.

      Also, the Cart Titan is apparantly a girl. Go figure.

      Wonder how much longer we'll be seeing this cast before shifting back over to the main cast.

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    • Sentinel07 wrote:

      Wonder how much longer we'll be seeing this cast before shifting back over to the main cast.

      Wanna bet? Since we have the new cast introduced and settled it shouldn't be long, or we'll see the MCs while following the Marley team when they go to Paradis.

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    • Majorly pissed off to have read Ymir is apparently dead. I don't like how that played out and now I don't know what the hell her purpose has been no thanks to that. Really cheap exit for her character if she really is a goner.

      That was even more dissatisfying than their utter failure to develop Bertolt, the freaking Colossal Titan, before he finally got axed.

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    • Senatedude14 wrote:

      Sim0n2170 wrote: R.I.P Ymir. There goes the theories that Zeke ate her.

      Why the hell would Zeke eat her

      Well his titan form looks different compared to before, eyes and claws especially.

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    • A decent chapter overall. Though honestly, I have no idea where Iyasama is going with the story.

      Anyway, on another note, I'm I the only one that doesn't care that Ymir is (apparently) dead? 

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    • Yes. Yes you are.

      Going back to that thing about the language on the can, Ymir was wandering as a Titan for 60 years. It's very possible that the can writing was just very old, or written in a language from the time she grew up in Marley. The language may just have been very old and no longer spoken while Reiner was growing up.

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    • So my main questions from this chapter are WHO THE HELL IS THE LAST SHIFTER?! AND WHAT TYPE OF TITAN IS IT?!

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    • Jaegermeister Braun wrote:
      So my main questions from this chapter are WHO THE HELL IS THE LAST SHIFTER?! AND WHAT TYPE OF TITAN IS IT?!


      maybe the last shifter doesn't exist anymore, due to its power being used to make the Arckerman's

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    • CommonSwift wrote:
      Jaegermeister Braun wrote:
      So my main questions from this chapter are WHO THE HELL IS THE LAST SHIFTER?! AND WHAT TYPE OF TITAN IS IT?!

      maybe the last shifter doesn't exist anymore, due to its power being used to make the Arckerman's

      Possibly but I hope there's one more titan, it adds more mystery and excitement as to why we haven't heard of it or why it wasn't used in the Mid-East War. Also if the Ackermans did have powers of the 9th titan then Marley wouldn't have 7 of them. At the end of the titan war Marley had 7+Attack titan but the First King already had the Ackermans by the end of the war so it wouldn't really make sense.

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    • Given the past two chapters, I think Eren was right to say they should destroy the Marley completely.

      As for Ymir, good riddence.  She was a terrible person who sided with the people who abused her and turned her into a titan rather than with her own people.

      Same goes for all the other Eldians who are slaves to the Marley.

      Eldians rule, Marley needs to go.

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    • Swiftfoxmark2 wrote:
      Given the past two chapters, I think Eren was right to say they should destroy the Marley completely.

      As for Ymir, good riddence.  She was a terrible person who sided with the people who abused her and turned her into a titan rather than with her own people.

      Same goes for all the other Eldians are slaves to the Marley.

      Eldians rule, Marley needs to go.

      i agree. she was a bitch. THERE WAS NO NEED TO SIDE WITH REINER AND MARLEY.

      ABOVE THAT, MARCEL's BROTHER IS AN ASSHOLE

      Shingeki no kyojin-06-ymir-christa-laughing-comedy-friendship-scouting team-lesbian lovers

       

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    • This shit is too confusing for me to understand but the way I see it Eren and that have no chance of stopping them simply there's what 4 shifters against 2, there's an army of titans against them as well, Armin will most likely still be inexperienced and they simply haven't got the technology or manpower to stop them. 

      The only thing they can do is use the coordinate to control the titans I guess and the shifters if that's how it works I'm not sure. 

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    • I think their odds are rather good. They have 2 shifters and 2 Ackermans. Plus i'm going to assume the remaining soldiers from the 104th trainnes (Connie, Sasha ect.) are now really skilled titan slayers.

      Eren has the coordinate.

      And if i'm not wrong, Armin should have the power of the Colossus 

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    • YESSS! YMIR'S DEAD!!! YESSS!!!

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    • Erdagon wrote:
      YESSS! YMIR'S DEAD!!! YESSS!!!

      Now I feel bad, and happy...well more happy than bad for those who has blown their mind with ridiculously fancy theories of Ymir bouncing back to Historia just to have them slammed by a single scene that disprove everything :)

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    • I can understand, it's good to finally know what happened to her (even when you were sure it would happen) and not remaining ignorant anymore.

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    • KiruSama wrote:
      I think their odds are rather good. They have 2 shifters and 2 Ackermans. Plus i'm going to assume the remaining soldiers from the 104th trainnes (Connie, Sasha ect.) are now really skilled titan slayers.

      Eren has the coordinate.

      And if i'm not wrong, Armin should have the power of the Colossus 

      Yeah but there's no titans for them to train with which is one issue. If they used Armin wisely his transformation alone could kill a shifter or 2. One thing I wouldn't mind but very unlikely is that they got Annie out somehow and is now on their side making it 3 on 4 which will defo mean Eren and that would win in my opinion. Zeke may also do a last minute betrayal and join Eren but who knows. 

      There's also only so much Levi and Mika can do there useless against the armoured titan unless they have the spears likewise probably against the Jaw titan as I think he's armoured too. The beast would be taken down with difficulty but they could probs do it and as for the other shifter the quad one whatever its called that I dno it kinda appears useless unless it has a special power. 

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    • KiruSama wrote:
      I think their odds are rather good. They have 2 shifters and 2 Ackermans. Plus i'm going to assume the remaining soldiers from the 104th trainnes (Connie, Sasha ect.) are now really skilled titan slayers.

      Eren has the coordinate.

      And if i'm not wrong, Armin should have the power of the Colossus 

      On top of that, Hange has probably been hard at working developing new tech, especially tech based on what the Marley sent to them (the warships, etc.)

      Recall that she (he?) made an effective counter-measure to the Armored Titan in just a couple of months.  She's had four years of R&D and lots of research material.

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    • Finally got to read it today.  I love the way Pieck looks in her human form and the detail about having to use a crutch after running around on all fours for so long. ^_^  I'm surprised that she says she's been in her Titan form for two months.  I don't think we're ever been given a time limit for how long someone can stay in Titan form, but that's a heck of a long time to be stuck in a different body.

      I'm surprised that we didn't move back to the Paradis cast with this chapter, but I think given that we've now had three from the perspective of the Eldians working for Marley we'll follow their story until they meet up with everyone on the island again.  I have some mixed feelings about that, because I like the original cast, but I think getting to know the Eldian Marleyans is important too.

      I'm also surprised that Zeke did not seem to reveal his heritage to Marley, which is odd.  Obviously he betrayed his dad, Grisha, but he was also seven at the time and I can't seem him running his own gambit and intentionally withholding information at that age.

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    • RuneLai wrote:

      I'm also surprised that Zeke did not seem to reveal his heritage to Marley, which is odd.  Obviously he betrayed his dad, Grisha, but he was also seven at the time and I can't seem him running his own gambit and intentionally withholding information at that age.

      I have a suspicion that Kruger made Zeke rat out his parents, after all he needed Grisha to take the Attack Titan and someone to keep playing double agent on Marley.

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    • Ymir, no ;~;

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    • CommonSwift wrote:
      RuneLai wrote:

      I'm also surprised that Zeke did not seem to reveal his heritage to Marley, which is odd.  Obviously he betrayed his dad, Grisha, but he was also seven at the time and I can't seem him running his own gambit and intentionally withholding information at that age.

      I have a suspicion that Kruger made Zeke rat out his parents, after all he needed Grisha to take the Attack Titan and someone to keep playing double agent on Marley.

      I don't know it be Kruger because it be a d*ck move on his part. I think it may have been Zeke's overseer who has been keeping an eye on Zeke for all these years.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:
      CommonSwift wrote:
      RuneLai wrote:

      I'm also surprised that Zeke did not seem to reveal his heritage to Marley, which is odd.  Obviously he betrayed his dad, Grisha, but he was also seven at the time and I can't seem him running his own gambit and intentionally withholding information at that age.

      I have a suspicion that Kruger made Zeke rat out his parents, after all he needed Grisha to take the Attack Titan and someone to keep playing double agent on Marley.
      I don't know it be Kruger because it be a d*ck move on his part. I think it may have been Zeke's overseer who has been keeping an eye on Zeke for all these years.

      I don't think Kruger told him to betray his parents because Zeke has genuine hatred towards Grisha which you can see in the Battle of Shiganshina arc

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    • Got a bit of a theory for you. I saw a comment on a video about the latest chapter and they make an interesting point. The scene with Reiner and the kids just before the train scene you see a person on the left of the scene with the armband thing on the wrong way and they have similar hair to Eren. They also mentioned none of their boats have arrived back from the scouting trips. What if one did and that one contained Eren and possibly Armin with the goal of infiltrating them to possibly kill Reiner and Zeke. 

      This is a long stretch but at the same time, it's a detail that was added which may be for aesthetic purposes or a hint to the infiltration theory. Potentially next chapter may be Eren and Armin if they are there transforming on the train and fighting the shifters.

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    • I think Annie's dead...too, who knows what have happened during all those years but it's quite unlikely for her to side Survey Corp just like that, surely some persuasion or torture before her death. Maybe SC fed her to someone like Historia or Mikasa (yeah, let the Shiganshina trio become the next Titan trio!)

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    • Finally they revealed Armin's Titan form to the world!

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    • The Duck Titan wrote:
      Got a bit of a theory for you. I saw a comment on a video about the latest chapter and they make an interesting point. The scene with Reiner and the kids just before the train scene you see a person on the left of the scene with the armband thing on the wrong way and they have similar hair to Eren. They also mentioned none of their boats have arrived back from the scouting trips. What if one did and that one contained Eren and possibly Armin with the goal of infiltrating them to possibly kill Reiner and Zeke. 

      This is a long stretch but at the same time, it's a detail that was added which may be for aesthetic purposes or a hint to the infiltration theory. Potentially next chapter may be Eren and Armin if they are there transforming on the train and fighting the shifters.

      I was thinking that earlier too. They could pull off an epic reveal similar to the most recent anime episode even though we know it. Gabi and the others (With the execption of the shifters) dont know what Eren and Armin look like.

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    • The Duck Titan wrote:
      This shit is too confusing for me to understand but the way I see it Eren and that have no chance of stopping them simply there's what 4 shifters against 2, there's an army of titans against them as well, Armin will most likely still be inexperienced and they simply haven't got the technology or manpower to stop them. 

      The only thing they can do is use the coordinate to control the titans I guess and the shifters if that's how it works I'm not sure. 

      You forget they had one Titan with Two powers back in Shiganshina and Levi. Now they are able to use two Titan shifters ( That we know of) and Levi. They won the battle in Shiganshina even though they lost Erwin.

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    • The Duck Titan wrote: Got a bit of a theory for you. I saw a comment on a video about the latest chapter and they make an interesting point. The scene with Reiner and the kids just before the train scene you see a person on the left of the scene with the armband thing on the wrong way and they have similar hair to Eren. They also mentioned none of their boats have arrived back from the scouting trips. What if one did and that one contained Eren and possibly Armin with the goal of infiltrating them to possibly kill Reiner and Zeke. 

      This is a long stretch but at the same time, it's a detail that was added which may be for aesthetic purposes or a hint to the infiltration theory. Potentially next chapter may be Eren and Armin if they are there transforming on the train and fighting the shifters.

      Interesting. Perhaps Eren and Armin are also there to rally the Eldians to stage a revolution against the Marleys?

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    • Senatedude14 wrote:
      The Duck Titan wrote:
      This shit is too confusing for me to understand but the way I see it Eren and that have no chance of stopping them simply there's what 4 shifters against 2, there's an army of titans against them as well, Armin will most likely still be inexperienced and they simply haven't got the technology or manpower to stop them. 

      The only thing they can do is use the coordinate to control the titans I guess and the shifters if that's how it works I'm not sure. 

      You forget they had one Titan with Two powers back in Shiganshina and Levi. Now they are able to use two Titan shifters ( That we know of) and Levi. They won the battle in Shiganshina even though they lost Erwin.

      I meant as in if the next chapter was going to be Zeke and that lot going to fight Eren and that it would be like 4 shifters vs 2 essentially. I know Eren has two powers but one of them is essentially useless unless he learned a way to use it. Yes, Levi and Mika could probs equal a shifter or 2 but there still outmatched. When the Shiganshina thing happened if Zeke was fighting with the Armoured and Colossal titans rather than lobbing rocks they would have easily captured Eren. 

      Zeke also says he underestimated them with their weapons and skills as hes never seen anything like it so we can assume he will be more cautious next time which makes them even more dangerous. This I why I think a return for Annie could be possible or Zeke turning sides.

      That's also only taking into account the shifters they would most likely have an army of titans with them and could potentially use warships to fire at them.

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      Got a bit of a theory for you. I saw a comment on a video about the latest chapter and they make an interesting point. The scene with Reiner and the kids just before the train scene you see a person on the left of the scene with the armband thing on the wrong way and they have similar hair to Eren. They also mentioned none of their boats have arrived back from the scouting trips. What if one did and that one contained Eren and possibly Armin with the goal of infiltrating them to possibly kill Reiner and Zeke. 

      This is a long stretch but at the same time, it's a detail that was added which may be for aesthetic purposes or a hint to the infiltration theory. Potentially next chapter may be Eren and Armin if they are there transforming on the train and fighting the shifters.

      excellent way to spot that, TheDuckTitan.

      the person was wearing the armband wrong, 70% it was Eren, cuz in chapter 90 we saw him with the same hair

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    • This chapter makes me feel bad for Ymir and her fans as well as the fans of the Historia x Ymir ship. I may not have been that big a fan of her, but I never hated her or wanted her to die, especially the way she did. It's hard to see how she can "hold the key to understanding the manga series and lead the story to ultimate conclusion" now.

      And Zeke's new nickname (different translations all still suggest something major, similar to Jesus's title "Son Of God"), the emphasis on the panel baby Zeke was held in, him supposedly being born to one day lead Eldia to victory as their king, him (when he still had his longer hair and beard) not looking too different from how Jesus Christ is often portrayed, him not being too far from the age Jesus supposedly was when he was crucified, and him really not having much time left to live (he may even die sooner than he's expected), all give me the impression that he could be like some kind of "Messiah" or something.

      It would be interesting to see what we get next with him. We might even get a reference to the "last supper" soon. Either way, I'm under the impression that no matter how "good" or "tolerable" of an ending we get, Zeke's fate, in particular, is definitely still sealed no matter what. If anything, his sacrifice might be the very thing that gives us a chance to see a "decent" ending where at least some people survive. He already promised that he'd "save" Eren one day. It's just a matter of whether or not it will also extend to him wanting to save everyone else too.

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    • ...please keep Jesus Christ out of this...

      I am sure Isayama drew Zeke so hairy to underline that he is the Beast titan...

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    • Maybe he doesn't like to shave. 

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    • If quickly bringing up Jesus Christ and the similarities as a reference is against some rules I'm not even familiar with, I'm fine with the idea of keeping him out of this completely. Otherwise, I am under the impression that doing so is not an actual problem nor against the forum rules by default, so if you would excuse me for that, I would greatly appreciate that. Thank you for your understanding.

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    • Eradicate Us wrote: This chapter makes me feel bad for Ymir and her fans as well as the fans of the Historia x Ymir ship. I may not have been that big a fan of her, but I never hated her or wanted her to die, especially the way she did. It's hard to see how she can "hold the key to understanding the manga series and lead the story to ultimate conclusion" now.

      And Zeke's new nickname (different translations all still suggest something major, similar to Jesus's title "Son Of God"), the emphasis on the panel baby Zeke was held in, him supposedly being born to one day lead Eldia to victory as their king, him (when he still had his longer hair and beard) not looking too different from how Jesus Christ is often portrayed, him not being too far from the age Jesus supposedly was when he was crucified, and him really not having much time left to live (he may even die sooner than he's expected), all give me the impression that he could be like some kind of "Messiah" or something.

      It would be interesting to see what we get next with him. We might even get a reference to the "last supper" soon. Either way, I'm under the impression that no matter how "good" or "tolerable" of an ending we get, Zeke's fate, in particular, is definitely still sealed no matter what. If anything, his sacrifice might be what gives us a chance to see a "decent" ending where at least some people survive. He already promised that he'd "save" Eren one day. It's just a matter of whether or not it will also extend to him wanting to save everyone else too.

      That actually would be kind of interesting, considering we already have the Marleyans, who are paralleling the Nazis. Guess what nationality Jesus was? Jewish.

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    • fuck this and Hajime Isayama for only stringing this to this point making us believe she will actually survive and be a key to solve a fucking issue, holy shit, this is horrible

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    • go see on page 36-7 of chapter 93, just before they get on the train, and when reiner was hanging out with the kids, at the bottom there was a man wearing the armband wrong. and above that, it was strange enough to see an eldian other than the armoured titan cadets and reiner hanging about when they were told to board the train early... go see. and another thing, why was he following Reiner? 


      THEORY : THAT WAS EREN. he had long hair, wore the armband wrong (no marleyan eldian does that bcs they know the punishment) and was following Reiner. if this theory is correct, then the shifters wil fight again, and this time, i think the female titan will too.....

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    • CaptFredricks wrote: That actually would be kind of interesting, considering we already have the Marleyans, who are paralleling the Nazis. Guess what nationality Jesus was? Jewish.

      Yes, and the Jews were the main nationality/race the Nazis persecuted, much like the Eldians are the main nationality/race the Marleyans are persecuting.

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    • Arshpar wrote:
      THEORY : THAT WAS EREN

      Absolutely brilliant. I went back to look. You're totally right, the armband is on the wrong arm. I do think we are in for an epic showdown.

      The final showdown will be epic. The Attack(+Founding)/Colossal/Female vs. Armor/Jaws/Beast/Cartman/UNKNOWN...would be amazin. Especially if Zeke all of sudden is like "Dude, why are we fighting each other? let's wreck Marley."

      There's also a part of me that desperately want Zeke to be a total sleeper agent...just waiting for the tide to turn against Marley. Think about it....Grisha trained him to be the best among his fellow candidates so there would be no question of his loyalty...what better way to gain immediate trust than to sell out your own parents?  I also want Annie to turn her back on them as well. 

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    • Arshpar wrote:
      go see on page 36-7 of chapter 93, just before they get on the train, and when reiner was hanging out with the kids, at the bottom there was a man wearing the armband wrong. and above that, it was strange enough to see an eldian other than the armoured titan cadets and reiner hanging about when they were told to board the train early... go see. and another thing, why was he following Reiner? 


      THEORY : THAT WAS EREN. he had long hair, wore the armband wrong (no marleyan eldian does that bcs they know the punishment) and was following Reiner. if this theory is correct, then the shifters wil fight again, and this time, i think the female titan will too.....


      I really hope that's not Eren. It would be really stupid to just send Eren into Marley territory by himself and out in the open right now. Marley is clearly superior to the walled world in power. I'm sure Eren has yet to even be able to harness the Founding Titan's power, something they really need. Eren would be so vulnerable right now, and if the walled world loses him and his Founding Titan to Marley, the walled world is screwed.

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    • Bringymirback wrote:
      fuck this and Hajime Isayama for only stringing this to this point making us believe she will actually survive and be a key to solve a fucking issue, holy shit, this is horrible

      I agree. To those who actually cheered this, that's abhorrent.

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    • for proof of eren's presence

      036

      at the bottom left, 90% it is eren

      bottom left, a guy following reiner and co., looks like eren with long hair (like in chapter 90). the armband is on the wrong arm.



      IM SO OBSESSED DUDE!!

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    • Arshpar wrote: for proof of eren's presence

      036

      at the bottom left, 90% it is eren

      bottom left, a guy following reiner and co., looks like eren with long hair (like in chapter 90). the armband is on the wrong arm.



      IM SO OBSESSED DUDE!!

      Eren could be there but the odds of finding out that that person is actually him remain at 45% I would love to see him there. That may also not be him because he and Armin(I think) were guarding the shore of Paradis. If Eren is there right now in that picture at that moment, it is possible that the second Titan used to destroy the 32 ships could be someone else. I feel that Eren and Armin might do a Titan reveal in front of Gabi and the others similar to Reiner and Bertolt when they revealed themselves. Gabi and Eren are similar in many ways. I wonder though if that is Eren what is he doing there?

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    • Eradicate Us wrote:

      I really hope that's not Eren. It would be really stupid to just send Eren into Marley territory by himself and out in the open right now. Marley is clearly superior to the walled world in power. I'm sure Eren has yet to even be able to harness the Founding Titan's power, something they really need. Eren would be so vulnerable right now, and if the walled world loses him and his Founding Titan to Marley, the walled world is screwwarriors, 

      People of Paradis won't be stupid enough to send Eren alone, he must've come along with the others to infiltrate Marley's Military like how Marley's did to them with the warriors, gathering intels and waiting for a chance to strike

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    • Just a few more things to say:

      The New Warriors are a bit too... young, in my opinion...

      I actually aren't surprised at how the Quadrupedal titan is a female.

      I really want to see Zeke and Eren interact sometime.

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    • Who wears a wrong armband? It's look like Eren so much.

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    • Erdagon wrote:

      Eradicate Us wrote:

      I really hope that's not Eren. It would be really stupid to just send Eren into Marley territory by himself and out in the open right now. Marley is clearly superior to the walled world in power. I'm sure Eren has yet to even be able to harness the Founding Titan's power, something they really need. Eren would be so vulnerable right now, and if the walled world loses him and his Founding Titan to Marley, the walled world is screwwarriors, 

      People of Paradis won't be stupid enough to send Eren alone, he must've come along with the others to infiltrate Marley's Military like how Marley's did to them with the warriors, gathering intels and waiting for a chance to strike

      It's hard to imagine Eren alone if that person is him it is highly likely that Mikasa is there with him. Whether or not Armin is there is a solid 75% Strategy wise it would probably be smart for them to either stay at Paradis or Attack Marley directly. I predict that we will see that person again. Also notice the clothing the person wears it is similar to what Reiner is wearing but I'm not an expert on clothes so feel free to determine that yourself

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    • Can I make another random theory? The colossal titan that we were shown. What if it's not Armin but one of the titans from the wall. We've seen how Ymir's titan and Jaw titan are vastly different besides being the same power so what if it happened to Armin. I also kinda think with colossal titan being slow he would just get hammered by artillery from the ships. So potentially Eren knows how to use the coordinate and if he is infiltrating Reiner and that is planning on attempting to control them. 

      If not let's say Eren and Zeke get into battle based on how Eren activated his power by briefly touching the smiling titan if Eren and Zeke clashed he could just activate it and control the shifters potentially if that's how it works. If he knows how to use the power he wouldn't need Armin or Mika with him theoretically. 

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    • Or its some random geezer and not Eren.

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    • As far as Ymir is concerned her memories have been passed on so Historia might get some closure at some point... The thing that I'm extremly interested in knowing more about is this Ackerman business!

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    • The Duck Titan wrote: Can I make another random theory? The colossal titan that we were shown. What if it's not Armin but one of the titans from the wall. We've seen how Ymir's titan and Jaw titan are vastly different besides being the same power so what if it happened to Armin. I also kinda think with colossal titan being slow he would just get hammered by artillery from the ships. So potentially Eren knows how to use the coordinate and if he is infiltrating Reiner and that is planning on attempting to control them. 

      If not let's say Eren and Zeke get into battle based on how Eren activated his power by briefly touching the smiling titan if Eren and Zeke clashed he could just activate it and control the shifters potentially if that's how it works. If he knows how to use the power he wouldn't need Armin or Mika with him theoretically. 

      Despite the Attack Titan's previous holders looking physically different the Titan is used for the same purpose. The Colossal Titan's purpose is to be large and stand high also I think that they can't get the wall Titans out unless they break the wall and people in the walls may not like that

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    • I don't believe it's Eren, he has his father's memory there is no way he would make a mistake like that.

      I think it's Connie with long hair, he made a similar mistake at the start of the series and it would be easier for him to walk around then anyone else.

      About the Jesus Christ thing, honestly I just didn't want some people to get offended for the comparison and start a war in the comments...plus Zeke is more like Joseph (Old testament) with both of them being slaves who then went up the ladder and having heavy expectation from their fathers.

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    • maybe he's 9th titan shifter lol

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    • the thing is, people talking about killing eren off should think. now what would Shingeki no Kyojin be without Eren? Shingeki no kyojin means attack titan - Eren yeager. without him, it's

      LOUSE ON TITAN::::: 
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    • Senatedude14 wrote:

      The Duck Titan wrote: Can I make another random theory? The colossal titan that we were shown. What if it's not Armin but one of the titans from the wall. We've seen how Ymir's titan and Jaw titan are vastly different besides being the same power so what if it happened to Armin. I also kinda think with colossal titan being slow he would just get hammered by artillery from the ships. So potentially Eren knows how to use the coordinate and if he is infiltrating Reiner and that is planning on attempting to control them. 

      If not let's say Eren and Zeke get into battle based on how Eren activated his power by briefly touching the smiling titan if Eren and Zeke clashed he could just activate it and control the shifters potentially if that's how it works. If he knows how to use the power he wouldn't need Armin or Mika with him theoretically. 

      Despite the Attack Titan's previous holders looking physically different the Titan is used for the same purpose. The Colossal Titan's purpose is to be large and stand high also I think that they can't get the wall Titans out unless they break the wall and people in the walls may not like that

      I don't mean have a different purpose more on appearance. Jaws and Ymir are the same but appear vastly different so maybe before Ymir ate the person his titan was like Jaws and the shifter power took the form of Ymirs mindless titan. Take Erens and the Owl person. The same titan yes but still look different Eren's titan form changed based on his mindless form which is why I think Armin will look different to what Bertholt looked like. He will still be big and tall but he may be smaller as it may take into account Armin's human height which is a lot smaller compared to Berthold.

      As for the titans in the wall, Eren could easily use the breached wall to pick out a colossal titan he wanted to as the colossal is slow and i wouldn't have thought steam would have done a right lot to protect him which is why i don't think its Armin but it probs is.

      But going back to the coordinate theoretically Eren would only have to touch Zeke and he would activate the power so all Eren has to do is simply hold him and control the titans. Same with historia. 

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    • The Duck Titan wrote:
      Senatedude14 wrote:

      The Duck Titan wrote: Can I make another random theory? The colossal titan that we were shown. What if it's not Armin but one of the titans from the wall. We've seen how Ymir's titan and Jaw titan are vastly different besides being the same power so what if it happened to Armin. I also kinda think with colossal titan being slow he would just get hammered by artillery from the ships. So potentially Eren knows how to use the coordinate and if he is infiltrating Reiner and that is planning on attempting to control them. 

      If not let's say Eren and Zeke get into battle based on how Eren activated his power by briefly touching the smiling titan if Eren and Zeke clashed he could just activate it and control the shifters potentially if that's how it works. If he knows how to use the power he wouldn't need Armin or Mika with him theoretically. 

      Despite the Attack Titan's previous holders looking physically different the Titan is used for the same purpose. The Colossal Titan's purpose is to be large and stand high also I think that they can't get the wall Titans out unless they break the wall and people in the walls may not like that
      I don't mean have a different purpose more on appearance. Jaws and Ymir are the same but appear vastly different so maybe before Ymir ate the person his titan was like Jaws and the shifter power took the form of Ymirs mindless titan. Take Erens and the Owl person. The same titan yes but still look different Eren's titan form changed based on his mindless form which is why I think Armin will look different to what Bertholt looked like. He will still be big and tall but he may be smaller as it may take into account Armin's human height which is a lot smaller compared to Berthold.

      As for the titans in the wall, Eren could easily use the breached wall to pick out a colossal titan he wanted to as the colossal is slow and i wouldn't have thought steam would have done a right lot to protect him which is why i don't think its Armin but it probs is.

      But going back to the coordinate theoretically Eren would only have to touch Zeke and he would activate the power so all Eren has to do is simply hold him and control the titans. Same with historia. 

      Remeber the form we saw Armin in may be Zeke's imagination. Armin's Titan form has yet to be offcially revealed but it is entirely possible at this point that Armin may look physcally different but he may or may not be the same height as Bertolt. Going to the Coordinate only Royal blood is needed to activate it. It is possible if the person on page 36 may be Eren and he may have brought a vial of Historia's blood with him. That's what I would have done if I were him. But of couse nothing has been confirmed yet. 

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    • Fair play nothings set in stone but Zeke is royal blood right so if theoretically if it was Eren or let's say they fight at some point they would only need to collide briefly for Eren to activate the coordinate. 

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    • The Duck Titan wrote:
      Fair play nothings set in stone but Zeke is royal blood right so if theoretically if it was Eren or let's say they fight at some point they would only need to collide briefly for Eren to activate the coordinate. 

      Correct, that would be interesting to see.

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    • After the Coordinate is activated it does seem to last for short period of time without further contact, since Eren was able to "order" a bunch of mindless titans to go after Reiner and Bertolt even though he was no longer touching the Smiling Titan. I wonder how long it lasts, and what its range is? Could you in theory control a titan on the other side of the world with it?

      As for whether or not guy is Eren, while that would be pretty cool, I have serious doubts over it. Strategically it would be a bad, bad idea to send the Coordinate (y'know, the thing Marely is after) to infiltrate Marely. Paradis currently has very few defences against a full scale invasion besides their two titan shifters. Until they can figure out how to build accurate heavy artillery (I mean, they may have already but as far as we know they haven't), aircraft, tanks or something like that, their only defence is Eren, Armin and to a lesser extent Levi. Bear in mind the navy forces that Eren and Armin have destroyed so far weren't actual invasion fleets, but rather expeditionary fleets. An Empire the size of Marley should be able to muster a HUGE force to attack Paradis, though they will naturally be limited by the need to keep forces back to defend themselves.

      Plus, the fact that the arm-band is round the wrong way actually seems to me to be evidence AGAINST it being Eren. When you are infilitrating a foreign power, you put huge emphasis on getting things like that right, it's more likely a slip up on Isayama's part, and one that'd be pretty easy to make really.

      As for the Female Titan (or whatever its actual name is) if the Paradisians manage to break her out, they will kill her (probably after torturing her for info). Annie is war criminal bear in mind, and has shown pretty much no evidence to suggest she might switch sides. They might keep her alive to avoid the power being inherited by an Eldian in Marley (in which case its safer to just leave her in her crystal), but if they can find a way to make titan serum and feed her to someone to make a third shifter, it'd probs be someone like Hange or Jean (as Levi and Mikasa are Ackermans and can't become shifters). It would NEVER be Historia, because sending your monarch onto the battle field is a really bad idea in this type of warfare.

      I think people may be giving the Marley Warriors too much credit as well; I have my doubts that any of them will switch sides. Zeke saying he will "resuce Eren" probably just refers to bringing over to Marley, or possibly to "rescuing" his two Titans. Reiner has every reason to hate Paradis: as far as he knows they've killed two of his friends (though just one as far as we know). The others are admitedly wild cards for the time being, but I sincierly doubt any of them will be turncoats.

      Just my (very long winded) two cents.

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    • The Lord of Silence wrote:
      After the Coordinate is activated it does seem to last for short period of time without further contact, since Eren was able to "order" a bunch of mindless titans to go after Reiner and Bertolt even though he was no longer touching the Smiling Titan. I wonder how long it lasts, and what its range is? Could you in theory control a titan on the other side of the world with it?

      As for whether or not guy is Eren, while that would be pretty cool, I have serious doubts over it. Strategically it would be a bad, bad idea to send the Coordinate (y'know, the thing Marely is after) to infiltrate Marely. Paradis currently has very few defences against a full scale invasion besides their two titan shifters. Until they can figure out how to build accurate heavy artillery (I mean, they may have already but as far as we know they haven't), aircraft, tanks or something like that, their only defence is Eren, Armin and to a lesser extent Levi. Bear in mind the navy forces that Eren and Armin have destroyed so far weren't actual invasion fleets, but rather expeditionary fleets. An Empire the size of Marley should be able to muster a HUGE force to attack Paradis, though they will naturally be limited by the need to keep forces back to defend themselves.

      Plus, the fact that the arm-band is round the wrong way actually seems to me to be evidence AGAINST it being Eren. When you are infilitrating a foreign power, you put huge emphasis on getting things like that right, it's more likely a slip up on Isayama's part, and one that'd be pretty easy to make really.

      As for the Female Titan (or whatever its actual name is) if the Paradisians manage to break her out, they will kill her (probably after torturing her for info). Annie is war criminal bear in mind, and has shown pretty much no evidence to suggest she might switch sides. They might keep her alive to avoid the power being inherited by an Eldian in Marley (in which case its safer to just leave her in her crystal), but if they can find a way to make titan serum and feed her to someone to make a third shifter, it'd probs be someone like Hange or Jean (as Levi and Mikasa are Ackermans and can't become shifters). It would NEVER be Historia, because sending your monarch onto the battle field is a really bad idea in this type of warfare.

      I think people may be giving the Marley Warriors too much credit as well; I have my doubts that any of them will switch sides. Zeke saying he will "resuce Eren" probably just refers to bringing over to Marley, or possibly to "rescuing" his two Titans. Reiner has every reason to hate Paradis: as far as he knows they've killed two of his friends (though just one as far as we know). The others are admitedly wild cards for the time being, but I sincierly doubt any of them will be turncoats.

      Just my (very long winded) two cents.

      Dame you went all out. Let’s say it is Eren then yes, its stupid for him to be there even with everyone else as they wouldn’t stand a chance against the shifters let along external forces. But if it was a good way to leave a slight hint or speculation would be the armband being the wrong way although it is also stupid if he was trying to sneak in so it’s also unlikely.

      It could well be a mistake but the other characters have the bands the right way and with this person who ever they may be is more detailed and in shot so I would have thought when drawing the armband would have been more noticeable as more efforts been put into it.

      With the relationships between Eren, Zeke and Reiner Zeke may have said he will save Eren but it depends on what his version of saving involves e.g. he may kill him to save him by putting him out of his misery or he may save him by turning on everyone else and joining him it depends on what his version of saving is in this situation.

      Reiner has two ways around this. He will flip defo and he probs knows Bertholt dead I would have thought anyway so he most likely wants revenge but I see a possible way he may calm down is by either joining Zeke and helping Eren if that’s Zekes intentions or and what I want to happen he sees Annie with them and decides to surrender or join them so he can be with his last childhood friend.

      Zeke also seems to know a lot more than others I think so I image he has a plan.

      If they were to pass on the female titan they would need the serum stuff which I think they don’t have any nor the technology to extract it. That being said the female titan power hasn’t been returned yet as they would have found it by now so I’m assuming Annie’s still alive. If they were to give it to someone Hange would make the most sense to me.

      With the coordinate compare it to Eren getting his hardening ability. At first he could use it out of shear will power similar to the coordinate once he met the necessary requirements and afterwards with his hardening ability it took him time to be able to fully use it and master it in a sense. So, with Eren using the coordinate for the first time he too will need to master it over time with him getting better I think he will be able to affect a wider area and have better control over the titans. He can practice using Histroia after all.

      I think the power works differently though with the first time Eren controlling titans then the second I think when he touched Histroia he had flash backs or something so I’m assuming similar to transforming a goal needs to be in mind.



      Hope that all made sense like. 

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    • Indeed, though I am still not sold on the idea that Reiner (or Zeke for that matter) will switch sides. I love Reiner; he's probably my third favourite character after Armin and Levi, but I still doubt that he would join the Wallists. I guess it is possible, but it feels like there is just too much mutual hate. Don't forget Reiner is one of the people responsible for the death of about a third of the population which included Eren's mother. I'm hoping that I'm wrong and not just trying to avoid getting my hopes up, but for now I will assume Reiner is going to take some sort of substantial change to switch over to Paradis.

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    • The Lord of Silence wrote:
      Indeed, though I am still not sold on the idea that Reiner (or Zeke for that matter) will switch sides. I love Reiner; he's probably my third favourite character after Armin and Levi, but I still doubt that he would join the Wallists. I guess it is possible, but it feels like there is just too much mutual hate. Don't forget Reiner is one of the people responsible for the death of about a third of the population which included Eren's mother. I'm hoping that I'm wrong and not just trying to avoid getting my hopes up, but for now I will assume Reiner is going to take some sort of substantial change to switch over to Paradis.

      Reiner is pretty much done with the wall people, all he cares right now is putting an end to this whole conflict. Also I didn't think Armin was your favorite character, not that I disapprove.

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    • The Lord of Silence wrote:
      Indeed, though I am still not sold on the idea that Reiner (or Zeke for that matter) will switch sides. I love Reiner; he's probably my third favourite character after Armin and Levi, but I still doubt that he would join the Wallists. I guess it is possible, but it feels like there is just too much mutual hate. Don't forget Reiner is one of the people responsible for the death of about a third of the population which included Eren's mother. I'm hoping that I'm wrong and not just trying to avoid getting my hopes up, but for now I will assume Reiner is going to take some sort of substantial change to switch over to Paradis.

      I think Reiner is so good person but he has two personality "warrior-Marley"/"soidier-Eldian".

      Especially, he is very lucky person(Die hard).

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    • Honestly, they could always from a third party of just the shifters as they try to end the curse and war so everyone can be at peace finally. That would make both sides happy i would assume. None of the warriors are evil after all there just fighting for what they think is right and they would have been made to train at a young age so it would have more effect on them. 

      They may also just have an all out final war but I still wanna know who's the overall leader unless its already been shown. It could end with then killing said person and setting a new person in charge similar to what Eren and that did with Historia.

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    • what im sure about is that reiner has permanent plot armor for sure!!!

      THE GUY HAS NEVER DIED! 


      What i meant is, he's gonna survive till the end.....

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    • Arshpar wrote:
      what im sure about is that reiner has permanent plot armor for sure!!!

      THE GUY HAS NEVER DIED! 


      What i meant is, he's gonna survive till the end.....

      I think so. He will be alive until the end.

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    • CommonSwift wrote:

      About the Jesus Christ thing, honestly I just didn't want some people to get offended for the comparison and start a war in the comments...plus Zeke is more like Joseph (Old testament) with both of them being slaves who then went up the ladder and having heavy expectation from their fathers.

      It was not my intention to start any kind of war. Thanks for your concern either way, though. And yeah. The comparison with Joseph is another nice comparison.

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    • it may be so, but what i think is there is and was nothing such as Ymir's curse anyway.

      The royal family's brains were primitive anyways...

      its just the weakness caused by the constant usage of power... nothing happened to Grisha when he reached the 13 year mark, he just panicked and thought that Eren was far better possessor of the power, after Eren told Grisha about his thirst for freedom (I think Grisha saw Kruger in Eren).

      In a world of realism, Curses have no place. There is no Devil, no magic, just pure realism. Titans are real, Physics and Chemistry are real, and war is real.

      In the world that Hajime has brought forward, 13-year curses seem bonkers thats all!!

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    • Uhuh, this "highly realistic world", where invisible connections exist between all things, allowing people of a certain bloodline to summon giant human eating bodies out of thin air. SnK is already dealing with matters that are most certainly not in line with real world science. Plus, the Curse of Ymir is just a name for a side effect from Titan-shifting, not an actual curse that someone placed on the Eldians. If you wanna be sciency we could say that the "Curse of Ymir" is a genetic defect like cancer that infects you once you receive a Titan, and takes about 13 years to kill you. There is no reason for the "Curse" not to be real.

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    • Well it could and should be cured if it is a disease

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    • So far the curse seems to be real and everyone in the world believes it's real. But the question is that does it really exist? Some people say Grisha survived 15 years as the Attack Titan though I have no way of confirming this I'm just telling you what I've heard.

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    • Senatedude14 wrote:
      So far the curse seems to be real and everyone in the world believes it's real. But the question is that does it really exist? Some people say Grisha survived 15 years as the Attack Titan though I have no way of confirming this I'm just telling you what I've heard.

      Yeah that was particularly odd. How Grisha just become the new Attack Titan which was around the Year 830, and he managed to surpass the 13 year curse.

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    • He was found in year 832, making 13 year curse lining up perfectly with the fall of Wall Maria.

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    • The year listed on the wiki for Grisha receiving the Attack Titan is 832, exactly 13 years prior to the Fall of Wall Maria and Eren gaining the Attack Titan. There is no reason to suppose Grisha bypassed anything. Of course, its possible that the Curse may take a more varried amount of time to kill its host, but no one waits around to see, not wanting to risk the power ending up in somebody random. There must be evidence for the existence of the Curse, otherwise people would have become suspiscious that there wasn't any. Marley have been studying Titan chemistry for decades now, so I imagine if the Curse was made up they'd know about it by now. I see no good reason to suppose that there isn't a side effect to Titan Shifting that kills you after 13 years.

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    • So curse of Ymir is a false fact???

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    • The Lord of Silence wrote: The year listed on the wiki for Grisha receiving the Attack Titan is 832, exactly 13 years prior to the Fall of Wall Maria and Eren gaining the Attack Titan. There is no reason to suppose Grisha bypassed anything. Of course, its possible that the Curse may take a more varried amount of time to kill its host, but no one waits around to see, not wanting to risk the power ending up in somebody random. There must be evidence for the existence of the Curse, otherwise people would have become suspiscious that there wasn't any. Marley have been studying Titan chemistry for decades now, so I imagine if the Curse was made up they'd know about it by now. I see no good reason to suppose that there isn't a side effect to Titan Shifting that kills you after 13 years.

      In real life we've been researching diseases for decades and some still have no cure. Maybe the curse is a disease that has not been killed or maybe the Marley hate Eldians so much that they even want to kill off their own warriors by feeding them to another. Wheather Grisha survived the curse or not is a mystery due to different dates it may also be an unintentional plot hole in the story. Some say 830 others say 832 is when he got the Attack Titan but there is one man who knows the answer to that. You know who he is.

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    • XZ121 wrote: So curse of Ymir is a false fact???

      If this were so, then that means that those that were devoured were killed under a falsehood belief!

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    • We see how Uri Reiss looks like he's already seriously falling apart by 842, yet Rod Reiss looks just fine in 850, and Uri is Rod's younger brother.

      If stopping Ymir's curse from claiming any more lives was really as easy as letting the titan shifters die without passing their powers on, you would think they would have done that by now. They probably even tried that, but didn't get the results they hoped for, and meanwhile also got to see that no shifter lasted more than 13 years.

      The only reason I can think of as to why the Eldians of before kept the powers if they could easily just get rid of them, even when they knew about their negative effects on their hosts, is that maybe they decided to pass the powers on to older people (like 60 years old or something) to kind of neutralize their negative effects while still keeping the powers, as the titan powers could still be a big thing for the power-hungry (and evidently were).

      If they are to stop Ymir's curse from claiming more lives, it will take more than simply letting the shifters die without passing their powers on. If a shifter is to even have a chance of surviving much more than 13 years after first getting the power, there will have to be a way for them to lose the power for good before their time is up without them being eaten to pass their power on to someone else.

      I imagine this would require all titan shifters (especially Eren the current Founding Titan holder) and a royal (Zeke, in particular, for already being a titan shifter himself and also a close blood relative of Eren the current Founding Titan holder) to come together at the so-called "Source Of All Organic Matters" to make a final contract that permanently banishes the titan powers.

      Of course, this won't bring back the titan shifters that are already dead and gone, including the ones that died prematurely. In particular, I can't shake off this feeling that Annie and Reiner are probably going to die prematurely in the war just like Bertolt did.

      What's more, I can't help thinking that even if Zeke doesn't die prematurely in the war or reach the end of his "13 year shifter lifespan", he's definitely still going to die very soon no matter what. If anything, he may even end up being the sacriifice necessary to permanently banish the titan powers.

      In other words, this is Attack On Titan, so you can expect more death no matter what.

      Otherwise, Ymir's curse and the 13 year rule are real by default.

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    • Eradicate you forget if a shifter dies without giving up the power it is automatically passed on to a random baby of Eldian blood. So it ain't going away for a good while.

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    • Also I know I'm late on this but why does Gaillard look like a greaser from the 1950s?

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    • Senatedude14 wrote: Eradicate you forget if a shifter dies without giving up the power it is automatically passed on to a random baby of Eldian blood. So it ain't going away for a good while.

      Yeah. I know about that too. That's why I said that letting the shifters die without directly passing the powers on isn't enough to get rid of the powers.

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    • Oh I must've read it wrong I hate my eyesight

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    • Senatedude14 wrote: Also I know I'm late on this but why does Gaillard look like a greaser from the 1950s?

      Marley is meant to be like the 1900s so galliard looking like a greaser would make sense. And he is supposed to be marcel's brother so he'd look like him just with different hair.

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    • Marley is like, 1910s, not 1950s. But eh, there are a lot of hairstyles in SnK that make no sense in a semi-cultural (or even practical) context. Why do so many people have such long hair! Wouldn't military regulations prevent it? And why is it in their eyes all the time?! Uh, I think I've gotten off topic here.

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    • ITs definitely not like the 1910s, it's more like 30s, but if it's a reference to Marley, then they are like the 1920s, because as Magadh said, they focused their power on titans too much without developing artillery, air forces and proper ships. You can notice that by seeing how easily 2 armourless titans shifters(Eren, Armin) destroyed 32 ships! Due to this carelessness on the hands of Marley, the other countries developed rapidly, and they already own jets, machine guns and armour piercing handguns. 
      



      The thing that I hate is that no one would join hands with The Wall people (Eldians) and the other Eldians on Marley, because the world still considers the Eldians as cursed people. We saw that during the Mid East war. That's the sad fact that has been cleared, it gives me chills, seeing that once Mikasa said: the world is cruel, because she was right, the walls ARE a symbol of Devilism to the other nations.


      I think in the end, the differences based on blood and nation will be ended. In my utopia aot world, there won't be any or Marley or mid eastern, and that's what I think will happen, but for that to happen, Eren and the scouts will have to kill the Marley government, as Eren's latest and final wish was. Peace will have to be achieved, the current eldians aren't at fault anyway.

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    • Yes, because killing of an entire government is both plausible and not remotely likely to result in mass anarchy leading to the rise of a new even more anti-Eldian state. I'm not sure how our protagonists are going to win this one, but from a practical perspective a coup is a terrible idea. Open is of course not happening, because even Paradis could get its tech to the point where they could defeat the Marley, they don't have the man power to make ground. If memory serves (and it may not) then the population of Paradis is less than a million people, while just based off of the size of Marley and their current level of tech, their population must be many millions in size. Plus any aggressive action may well just cement the bad image of the Eldians in people's minds. I don't know what the solution to the problem is, but it'll have to be something indirect at least.

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    • In my utopia aot world, there won't be any or Marley or mid eastern, and that's what I think will happen, but for that to happen, Eren and the scouts will have to kill the Marley government, as Eren's latest and final wish was. Peace will have to be achieved, the current eldians aren't at fault anyway.

      You're writing Fanfiction of this franchise? Just asking out of curiosity.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      In my utopia aot world, there won't be any or Marley or mid eastern, and that's what I think will happen, but for that to happen, Eren and the scouts will have to kill the Marley government, as Eren's latest and final wish was. Peace will have to be achieved, the current eldians aren't at fault anyway.

      You're writing Fanfiction of this franchise? Just asking out of curiosity.

      Sometimes writers start out that way. It's how I started out before making my own original work.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      In my utopia aot world, there won't be any or Marley or mid eastern, and that's what I think will happen, but for that to happen, Eren and the scouts will have to kill the Marley government, as Eren's latest and final wish was. Peace will have to be achieved, the current eldians aren't at fault anyway.

      You're writing Fanfiction of this franchise? Just asking out of curiosity.

      It's not fan fiction, it's how I'd like AoT to end...

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    • Arshpar wrote:

      Aggression25 wrote:

      In my utopia aot world, there won't be any or Marley or mid eastern, and that's what I think will happen, but for that to happen, Eren and the scouts will have to kill the Marley government, as Eren's latest and final wish was. Peace will have to be achieved, the current eldians aren't at fault anyway.

      You're writing Fanfiction of this franchise? Just asking out of curiosity.
      It's not fan fiction, it's how I'd like AoT to end...

      Let's see what Isayama has to say about that.

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    • what if isayama is being a troll and he didnt kill ymir but gilliard looked through ymirs memories using the trick historias dad did on eren

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    • LordSirax wrote: what if isayama is being a troll and he didnt kill ymir but gilliard looked through ymirs memories using the trick historias dad did on eren

      That is just you and others wanting Ymir to be alive, but it isn't possible that she is alive, she's dead and you gotta accept it

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    • LordSirax wrote: what if isayama is being a etroll and he didnt kill ymir but gilliard looked through ymirs memories using the trick historias dad did on eren

      That is just you and others wanting Ymir to be alive, but it isn't possible that she is alive, she's dead and you gotta accept it


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    • i said what if i never said that was the case or i truly believed it. i do know it isnt true and i do accept it 

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    • I think ch 94 will also come out tomorrow or day after like ch 93, but it won't be the official release

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    • Arshpar wrote:
      I think ch 94 will also come out tomorrow or day after like ch 93, but it won't be the official release

      Highly unlikely. The only reason 93 was leaked so early was because of Golden week in Japan.

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    • How soon until the new chapter? Out of curiosity.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:
      How soon until the new chapter? Out of curiosity.

      8th of every month except in a few special cases

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    • This will be my final post on this discussion With chapter 94 coming out soon I thought about the odds of certain theories that I have heard remember that these are theories that I have heard of don't give me hate or make fun of me for these

      Person on Page 36 is Eren 50%

      Person on Page 36 is Ymir 2%

      Chances of Eren and Armin attacking the train 15%

      Chances of the Armored and Beast Titans being transferred during some point in the story 32%

      Ymir is dead 99%

      Reiner betraying Marley 0.2%

      Eren and Armin pulling the same plan that Reiner Bertolt and Annie did 49%

      Another character death 100% (Obvious)

      Eren kidnapping a Marley cadet 5%

      The Curse of Ymir is not real 45%

      That's all I can think of for now if you have anything else you want me to give a percentage on let me know after the 8th of June. I have a feeling of suspense that I have not felt since I watched Code Geass and Death Note.

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    • Senatedude14 wrote:
      This will be my final post on this discussion

      With chapter 94 coming out soon I thought about the odds of certain theories that I have heard remember that these are theories that I have heard of don't give me hate or make fun of me for these

      Person on Page 36 is Eren 50%

      Person on Page 36 is Ymir 2%

      Chances of Eren and Armin attacking the train 15%

      Chances of the Armored and Beast Titans being transferred during some point in the story 32%

      Ymir is dead 99%

      Reiner betraying Marley 0.2%

      Eren and Armin pulling the same plan that Reiner Bertolt and Annie did 49%

      Another character death 100% (Obvious)

      Eren kidnapping a Marley cadet 5%

      The Curse of Ymir is not real 45%

      That's all I can think of for now if you have anything else you want me to give a percentage on let me know after the 8th of June. I have a feeling of suspense that I have not felt since I watched Code Geass and Death Note.

      I believe Ymir is died 100%

      "Reiner betraying Marley 0.2%" Yeah, It's so hard to betray because Marley can bomb all outer wall eldian. ( lol )

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    • I just want to say that I'm hoping what happens next gives the dead victims they created in the Walls some closure.

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    • The thing that pins down, is that the eldians living in Marley think that the wall eldians are evil. Zeke or Reiner need to tell those eldians that the wall eldians are actually not evil at all. They became victims of king fritz 100 years ago too. But Reiner has a very twisted and bad personality. Zeke is too smart and unpredictable. No one knows what they want.

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    • Arshpar wrote: The thing that pins down, is that the eldians living in Marley think that the wall eldians are evil. Zeke or Reiner need to tell those eldians that the wall eldians are actually not evil at all. They became victims of king fritz 100 years ago too. But Reiner has a very twisted and bad personality. Zeke is too smart and unpredictable. No one knows what they want.

      You left out that Zeke is also something of a sadist. It's unlikely that he will say anything nice about them or his half-brother.

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