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  • Now before anyone says anything I'm not trying to insult the series. Attack on Titan is one of the best stories I've ever read in my entire life and the sheer fine detail to the story is just amazing. That said one thing has always bugged me and I'd like to know what other people think about it, the Return to Shiganshina. 

    I think rather than the final clash with the Warriors happening in Shinganshina it should happen in the capital instead. I liked the poetic justice of Eren defeating the Colossal Titan where it all started but my problem with that arc was the lack of suspense. Sure the Survey Corps were in danger and many died but they were kinda the only people at risk. I think the battle would've been more effective in the capital where there are thousands of innocents and if the Survey Corps were back by the combined might of the Survey Corp, Garrison, Military Police and Cadet Corp against the Beast, Armored, Colossal, Cart and Jaw Titans and their Titan armies. I do see how waiting for Eren to show up where they had homefield advantage is ideal but I personally thought the Warriors waiting around and giving Eren time to master the Founding Titan was equally questionable. 

    Honestly reading the manga I was confused as to why this wasn't happening and with what we know now I'm more confused as to why this didn't happen. They didn't want to risk the Founding Titan activating the Wall Titans true but they knew Eren can't use it properly so that threat has been minimized, plus their comrade Annie is in their custody so they had two reasons for attacking that never happened. 

    So yea I don't mean to sound like I'm picking because I love this series but the Return to Shingashina arc always bugged me a bit and I think this sounds much better. At least this could've been done as a desperation attack that would prompt the Return to Shiganshina arc to occur.

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    • The biggest problem with that would likely be exactly what you're hoping for (and what the Warriors wouldn't want). In Shinganshina, the number of opposing soldiers is minimized. In Mitras, there would be enemies all over the place, and they would without a doubt be completely and utterly united. It would be be a nightmare for the Warriors to fight there.

      Why the battle happens in Shiganshina is that it's the most strategically sound location for the Warriors. The Survey Corps must go there, which allows the Warriors to set up the battlefield to their advantage, which they do.

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    • Sounds neat but why in the middle of the walls? Had the Warriors met there, they would have to escape 3 walls, by the time they may have defeated the first defense (Military Police and Survey Corps), Wall Rose would be prepared to kill them with many Garrison members ready before they make their way to Wall Maria and back home.

      One thing I would change about the Return to Shiganshina arc, would be every single branch joined the Survey Corps in the battle. Instead of them changing their branch, they keep their branch and join. Floch, Gordan, and Sandra changed their branch but I wish they kept so we could see a combined effort, like when they wanted to get Eren and Ymir back. Seeing Rico, and other Military Police people joining would be epic. Heck they could have more than 208. Or maybe the same people would still join lol and would be the same number

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    • RuneLai wrote:
      The biggest problem with that would likely be exactly what you're hoping for (and what the Warriors wouldn't want). In Shinganshina, the number of opposing soldiers is minimized. In Mitras, there would be enemies all over the place, and they would without a doubt be completely and utterly united. It would be be a nightmare for the Warriors to fight there.

      Why the battle happens in Shiganshina is that it's the most strategically sound location for the Warriors. The Survey Corps must go there, which allows the Warriors to set up the battlefield to their advantage, which they do.

      I understand the Warriors waiting for them as they'd have the advantage and honestly that is the smarter thing to do but I've always wondered why they didn't at least try to attack the interior first since Eren was in possession of the Founding Titan and thus couldn't use it unless in contact with Historia. While the last part was unknown to them (and us as readers) it wasn't to the Warriors so waiting around and risking Eren learning how to use it sounds pretty risky. And as I said it would've given them to chance to rescue Annie rather than risk her being devoured by another Survey Corps member (though I am hoping she changes sides in the story).

      I understand the strategic advantage in setting up in Shiganshina but it didn't feel as though they'd exhausted every option yet, espeically with what we've learned in the manga since then.

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    • Bonkinhead wrote:
      Sounds neat but why in the middle of the walls? Had the Warriors met there, they would have to escape 3 walls, by the time they may have defeated the first defense (Military Police and Survey Corps), Wall Rose would be prepared to kill them with many Garrison members ready before they make their way to Wall Maria and back home.

      One thing I would change about the Return to Shiganshina arc, would be every single branch joined the Survey Corps in the battle. Instead of them changing their branch, they keep their branch and join. Floch, Gordan, and Sandra changed their branch but I wish they kept so we could see a combined effort, like when they wanted to get Eren and Ymir back. Seeing Rico, and other Military Police people joining would be epic. Heck they could have more than 208. Or maybe the same people would still join lol and would be the same number

      Actually I agree with your idea more :) 

      If all three divisions were to venture to Shiganshina for the final battle that would be equally as epic as an interior battle. It would also make Ewrin's death more sad if Pyxis and Nile were there as Erwin has history with them both, and they could avoid having the Garrison and Military Police all get killed by giving them Pieck and Galliard to deal with. After the Survey Corps gets all but destroyed it could motivate some of the slackers in the Garrison and the Military Police to enlist in the Survey Corps in their memory.

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    • Eobard95 wrote:
      Bonkinhead wrote:
      Sounds neat but why in the middle of the walls? Had the Warriors met there, they would have to escape 3 walls, by the time they may have defeated the first defense (Military Police and Survey Corps), Wall Rose would be prepared to kill them with many Garrison members ready before they make their way to Wall Maria and back home.

      One thing I would change about the Return to Shiganshina arc, would be every single branch joined the Survey Corps in the battle. Instead of them changing their branch, they keep their branch and join. Floch, Gordan, and Sandra changed their branch but I wish they kept so we could see a combined effort, like when they wanted to get Eren and Ymir back. Seeing Rico, and other Military Police people joining would be epic. Heck they could have more than 208. Or maybe the same people would still join lol and would be the same number

      Actually I agree with your idea more :) 

      If all three divisions were to venture to Shiganshina for the final battle that would be equally as epic as an interior battle. It would also make Ewrin's death more sad if Pyxis and Nile were there as Erwin has history with them both, and they could avoid having the Garrison and Military Police all get killed by giving them Pieck and Galliard to deal with. After the Survey Corps gets all but destroyed it could motivate some of the slackers in the Garrison and the Military Police to enlist in the Survey Corps in their memory.

      Garrison slackers and lazy Military Police would be getting a speech from Erwin haha. 

      The Survey Corp would be the ones fighting Colossal and Armored while all the Horse carriers would be Garrison and Military Police. Man the possibilities!!!

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    • Bonkinhead wrote:
      Eobard95 wrote:
      Bonkinhead wrote:
      Sounds neat but why in the middle of the walls? Had the Warriors met there, they would have to escape 3 walls, by the time they may have defeated the first defense (Military Police and Survey Corps), Wall Rose would be prepared to kill them with many Garrison members ready before they make their way to Wall Maria and back home.

      One thing I would change about the Return to Shiganshina arc, would be every single branch joined the Survey Corps in the battle. Instead of them changing their branch, they keep their branch and join. Floch, Gordan, and Sandra changed their branch but I wish they kept so we could see a combined effort, like when they wanted to get Eren and Ymir back. Seeing Rico, and other Military Police people joining would be epic. Heck they could have more than 208. Or maybe the same people would still join lol and would be the same number

      Actually I agree with your idea more :) 

      If all three divisions were to venture to Shiganshina for the final battle that would be equally as epic as an interior battle. It would also make Ewrin's death more sad if Pyxis and Nile were there as Erwin has history with them both, and they could avoid having the Garrison and Military Police all get killed by giving them Pieck and Galliard to deal with. After the Survey Corps gets all but destroyed it could motivate some of the slackers in the Garrison and the Military Police to enlist in the Survey Corps in their memory.

      Garrison slackers and lazy Military Police would be getting a speech from Erwin haha. 

      The Survey Corp would be the ones fighting Colossal and Armored while all the Horse carriers would be Garrison and Military Police. Man the possibilities!!!

      Actually yea with the Garrison and Military Police onboard they could divide their numbers up to give them a better chance against their enemies. The Survey Corps primarily against Reiner and Bertolt like you said while the Garrison and Military Police deal with Zeke, though Erwin would probably still need to lead in the fight against Zeke so Pyxis would probably lead the battle against Bertolt and Reiner. Lol Erwin and Pyxis switch command posts.

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    • Eobard95 wrote:

      If all three divisions were to venture to Shiganshina for the final battle that would be equally as epic as an interior battle. It would also make Ewrin's death more sad if Pyxis and Nile were there as Erwin has history with them both, and they could avoid having the Garrison and Military Police all get killed by giving them Pieck and Galliard to deal with. After the Survey Corps gets all but destroyed it could motivate some of the slackers in the Garrison and the Military Police to enlist in the Survey Corps in their memory.

      Admittedly, one of the few nonsensical things that would get me on board with the battle being in Mitras instead of Shiganshina would be if I got to see more Nile, and especially his reaction to Erwin dying.

      I was disappointed in the Return to Shiganshina arc where Nile's talking about how he didn't believe Erwin back when they were younger. Darius or Pixis (I forget which) tells him he ought to apologize when Erwin gets back. But Erwin never comes back and we don't see Nile's reaction to that. Feels like a wasted setup.

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    • RuneLai wrote:

      Eobard95 wrote:

      If all three divisions were to venture to Shiganshina for the final battle that would be equally as epic as an interior battle. It would also make Ewrin's death more sad if Pyxis and Nile were there as Erwin has history with them both, and they could avoid having the Garrison and Military Police all get killed by giving them Pieck and Galliard to deal with. After the Survey Corps gets all but destroyed it could motivate some of the slackers in the Garrison and the Military Police to enlist in the Survey Corps in their memory.

      Admittedly, one of the few nonsensical things that would get me on board with the battle being in Mitras instead of Shiganshina would be if I got to see more Nile, and especially his reaction to Erwin dying.

      I was disappointed in the Return to Shiganshina arc where Nile's talking about how he didn't believe Erwin back when they were younger. Darius or Pixis (I forget which) tells him he ought to apologize when Erwin gets back. But Erwin never comes back and we don't see Nile's reaction to that. Feels like a wasted setup.

      Actually Nile and Erwin is why I hoped the main struggle would occur in the interior because I liked their rivalry as they did have some degree of respect for each other as Nile even put his neck on the line for Erwin in Uprising, and I would'ved loved to have seen these two fight side by side after finally achieving some middle ground which would make Erwin's death even sadder espeically if Nile is witness to it. I think it also could've given Nile a drive to make the Military Police more effective just like Marlowe had hoped to achieve.

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    • Not kill Erwin and anyone who isn't EMA. There, done. 

      Well okay Erwin's passing I don't mind but still. Sucks that only nine lived it. 

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    • That was how it played out in the AOT2 videogame alternate ending, interestingly enough. The Warriors go to Mitras to rescue Annie, and the big fight happens there.

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