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  • There has been a suggestion about removing the non-canon exception stated in this wiki's Manual of Style regarding the treatment of Hange Zoë's gender on the site.

    This character's gender is left intentionally ambiguous by Isayama in the original manga, but it was changed to female in the anime adaptation and most other continuities. The Manual of Style states that we also treat is as female on the wiki for two primary reasons:

    • As the articles are filled with imagery from the anime that shows Hange as a woman, there's no possibility of ambiguity, so using neutral pronouns to avoid interfering with the reader's interpretation of the character's gender would be pointless.
    • Avoiding gender pronouns can make articles more difficult to write, confusing and unattractive.

    It should be noted though that this rule predates the separation by continuities implemented last year after which manga and anime articles are no longer merged, making the first point invalid. So it's now open to the wiki staff and community to decide whether there are still enough reasons to to maintain the rule, or if it should be removed and rewrite all mentions of the character's gender in a neutral style.

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    • So if the first reason is void, the only point we have against the change is for the sake of readability. Therefore, if we feel we are able to rewrite the article to a high enough standard, the change should go ahead.

      But if we think the change is going to read badly or sound like a broken record, repeating Hange's name too much, keep it as is. The site isn't official after all.

      Tentatively, the change gets my vote anyway.

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    • Would we be all right using the gender neutral pronoun "they" when referring to Hange? I know the manga doesn't use it, but it's becoming more common. Both Chicago and AP are starting to use it when the gender of the person being discussed isn't known (or because they don't identify as either).

      It would make articles more readable than using Hange's name all the time or twisting the sentences into pretzels to avoid mentioning gender.

      I fine with making the change, with or without the use of "they," but I've always been in favor of gender blender Hange. :)

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    • I tentatively support this change as well, although I feel that we should do our best to keep pronouns (gendered or not) out when referring to Hange. "They, them, etc." could get confusing if they are used to refer to both Hange *and* groups that Hange is a part of in the article, so my vote would be to write the article in a way that avoids using any pronouns when it comes referring to Hange.

      (What I just wrote can be used as an example of how I'd envision Hange's article being written. There are a few places where pronouns could have been used, but I wrote the message in a way that excluded any sort of pronouns, gendered or otherwise, from being applied to Hange)

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    • I believe it'd be too difficult to completely erase every instance of a pronoun describing Hange's gender. Also, as mentioned before, it'd make it harder to edit articles in such a way as to keep her gender ambiguous. It'd result in complicated statements and too many occurrences of her name. What i would suggest is that we put a footnote for every article where she's mentioned, clarifying that Hange's gender has been kept ambiguous by the mangaka but for the sake of simplicity, the articles refer to her as a woman.

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    • In my previous comment itself, i referred to Hange as 'her' 3 times and I can tell that it'd be a lot harder to write that previous comment without using a 'she' or 'her'. This is just my opinion but still do consider. 😊

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    • If Hange is canonically ambiguous, the articles should be ambiguous as well.

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    • I personally would oppose. However, since Isayama has long confirmed Hange's ambiguity in the manga, and with our wiki strictly including official info, I am forced to agree to this change. (My prayers for who's gonna rewrite every manga article Hange is mentioned in.)

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    • My opinion is essentially the same as Ahmed's. I don't think there is a major issue in making the non-canon exception that we have been making for Hange's gender, however, as an encyclopedia we must strive to be as accurate as possible - which would include addressing Hange's ambiguously.

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    • I second RuneLai's opinion.

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    • While I agree with the difficulty of writing with the no gender rule, Hange remains non binary in several versions, so to be the most accurate I'd like to have that template kept for the said articles.

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    • i agree with a7med's and anyway we can automaticly use "find and replace"

      even with "hanji's vos mahrazh"

      - i prefer use [ it ] instead of [she] or [them] and its sisters

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    • C'mon, it's so obvious that Hange is a woman.  She even had a crush on Keith if that isn't enough proof. Plus, all fake previews view her as a woman.  It's plain and simple everyone 

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    • In the anime she is, but in the manga nothing's confirmed. And gender preferences aren't a proof.

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    • Dalmatia wrote:
      In the anime she is, but in the manga nothing's confirmed. And gender preferences aren't a proof.

      Actually Isayama made is canon that Hange's gender is ambiguous or "up to the reader to decide". While it is anyone's preference to say what Hange is as they are reading the manga, the status of the gender on the wiki should reflect the most canon information we have - which is ambiguity.

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    • Thanks for putting that Jinx, was too lazy to retype that. XP

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    • Dalmatia wrote:
      Thanks for putting that Jinx, was too lazy to retype that. XP

      (ノ^ヮ^)ノ*:・゚✧

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