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    • Hooray! Another enjoyable chapter. I think that's the arc transition that we've all been looking for. This is no longer the Marley arc. Everything also seems to be falling into place, and I've seen a lot of good fan-theories. 

      Zackly's death was very disturbing (rip the creator of art, you shall be missed), but I feel like it's going to be followed up with a lot of good plot development.

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    • Interesting. Wonder if Eren really is being controlled somehow. Certainly would explain his attitude. 

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    • I thought this was a meh chapter as it had many interesting elements but also many weak components that dragged it down into being a passable but not particularly engaging read.

      Pros:

      - Yelena was the mvp of this chapter for me as her conversation with Pixis was intriguing (I loved that Pixis was astute enough to call bullshit on her) and I like that her motivations and actions are becoming more murky as it makes her more interesting then being Zeke's answer to Mikasa. Also props to her for taking advantage of weaklings in Paradis like Floch and manipulating them to the hilt.

      - It was nice to get some real traction in Eren's plot thread and fortunately it seems like the set up for the next arc is officially over. The next arc definitely looks like a real winner and I am positively excited for it.

      - the best moment in the chapter for me was Pieck on the bench as it's great to see that the Warriors have already arrived and i'm excited to see how there counter attack goes (will Annie be rescued, does Pieck fuel the political misfires of Paradis, does Reiner defuse Zeke's plan in time etc.)

      Cons:

      - Zackley's death was a misfire for me as it is legitimately shocking I'll give it that but it's unfortunate that his death was based around a dank meme that was one of the anime and manga's worst moments as a complete tonal misfire that made me loss all respect for Zackley as a character and unfortunately the sh*t machine's return was another tonal misfire making a serious moment a borderline joke. It's just unfortunate as I thought Zackley was incredibly intriguing in the first season of the anime (I watched Season 1 + 2 before I read the manga) but now his entire existence boils down to being a comically over the top throw away character.

      - the chapter felt oddly muted for a chapter that was literally explosive as everything was just like yea this is a thing that happened and then it just ended. Outside of the Yelena front it again felt like setup for something better but in the end while not a great individual read I feel that these chapters will be far more enjoyable as a collective.

      - The tone was the thing that I disliked the most in this chapter as it went from a political thriller to LOL MEMES in the span of pages and it just never settled on a consistent tone. It's disappointing to see Isayama fall into this trap in this chapter as he is usually very strong in this area but here the tone was just wrong with oddly placed meta moments clashing with the series usually realistic tone to create something that didn't really work as either a light and poppy filler chapter or a serious political/spy drama about secrets and lies because of it. It might sound like I'm being overtly negative on this issue but tonal problems is my pet peeve when it comes to media of any kind (even music can fall prey to this) and unfortunately this has been a plague for me recently as most writers seem to want to have their cake (serious issues and themes) and eat it too (jokes) which makes their products come across as being written by a schizophrenic and it was disheartening to see Attack On Titan fall prey to this epidemic if only briefly. 

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    • Sentinel07 wrote:
      Interesting. Wonder if Eren really is being controlled somehow. Certainly would explain his attitude. 

      I'm curious, too. I've seen a few discussions on Reddit that also consider that as well. The ones that I can remember were:

      • Zeke is somehow controlling Eren, and he wants to meet up with Zeke so that can stop.
      • The wills of the Founding and Attack Titans are conflicting with Eren's own mind, which is why he is acting this way.
      • Eren and Zeke share memories of Grisha/have a telepathic connection.

      There's also another good theory which doesn't have to do anything with Eren being manipulated -- Paradis is taking this slowly, while Eren realizes that the situation can not be taken that slowly. Therefore, Eren decides to act out on his own, and finds Yelena's plan to be the most agreeable.

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    • Well this chapter has made things interesting. We see that the Marley Warriors are already inside (Image of Pieck). Zackley's death is a curious one, I wonder if Eren was the one ordered his demise or something else is going on....hmmmm.

      There will be some interesting things to be happening in future chapters now that the rebellion is starting.

      The rebellion has begun.

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    • I really enjoyed this chapter. Hitch returns! I like that older Hitch is still concerned over her erstwhile roommate, and if Annie ever wakes up I hope they manage to get a real friendship going.

      I actually thought it was funny that Zackly "custom chair" showed up again, but it was used as a plot device to deliver a bomb so suddenly it became less funny. I would have liked it better if it was just a throwaway gag of no consequence.

      Other things I liked:

      • Eren totally moving independently of Armin and Mikasa. You know there's gotta be a reason for that.
      • Pieck already there in an infiltration mission of her own.
      • Pixis throwing shade at Yelena.
      • Survey Corps recruits violently drinking the Kool-Aid and running off with their new leader. I mean, geez, they just assassinated the head of the military and the de facto head of state.
      • MPs actually doing MP things (since Pixis has been all gung-ho about having the Garrison arrest people).
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    • Before the revelation of the gas mechanic. I actually tought Zeke somehow polluted the water with his fluid. Then he somehow triggered the transformation.

      This Beast Titan is really sick.

      Then I wonder what Titan did Eren use to escape this underground prison. MY first tought was the War Hammer, but then I realized just as I typed this that the current Attack Titan can harden.

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    • The "custom chair" was NOT a gag, nor an attempt at comedy, and I don't understand why some people here think it is. It's a damn torture machine. I'm not talking in general terms, either. In this chapter, if you hadn't noticed, Darius glanced at the chair after Mikasa had asked what was going to happen to Eren. Furthermore, he'd stayed silent shortly just before doing so, showing his unwillingness to answer.

      In other words, Zackly was planning to use his chair on Eren.

      P.S. Good to see that the story is picking up the pace.

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    • Seriously?

      I don't think Eren will surrender to that machine that easily. Despite risking up against Colossus Titan if he fight.

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    • Wow. Was NOT expecting Darius to meet such an explosive end here (rimshot).

      I can totally see Zeke having Eren under his control; while he has been shown several times being able to control pure Titans who were created by him, there has been no reference to if those with royal blood can control someone who has the power of the Titans. True, Eren has not been injected with part of Zeke's spinal fluid but the gas form introduced here opens up the possibility of some other method. Plus, we have no idea how long Eren was alone with Zeke and Yelena in the blimp during their retreat from Marley. Who knows what may have happened in there and I'm sure Yelena would not turn on her savior.

      A final note: with everyone discussing who could become Eren's successor, I think Floch has a very good chance of being selected by him. He's becoming almost like Yelena in terms of servitude and I don't think he would mind sacrificing his life to become the next holder of Eren's Titan.

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    • @Marco1995mega: Although the chair may have not been created to become a gag, it became one amongst the community anyways.


      @0123456789 The Great: Yep, agreed -- how would they restrain Eren to sit down in that? Unless the sh*t machine has secret functions and is somehow connected to the plot in an important way.


      @Winston4278: It's a good possibility and would fit into Eren's thoughts of "I want to protect my friends". Perhaps it means that current Eren is going to extremes for a sort of selfish reason -- creating a cult and the such for the purpose of finding a successor that isn't one his friends. He could be manipulating Floch to match up with the ideals of the Attack Titan. The current candidates that seem plausible are Floch... and that's it, we really don't know anybody else. Ahh, I wish Marlowe was still around.

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    • Marco1995mega wrote:
      The "custom chair" was NOT a gag, nor an attempt at comedy, and I don't understand why some people here think it is. It's a damn torture machine. I'm not talking in general terms, either. In this chapter, if you hadn't noticed, Darius glanced at the chair after Mikasa had asked what was going to happen to Eren. Furthermore, he'd stayed silent shortly just before doing so, showing his unwillingness to answer.

      In other words, Zackly was planning to use his chair on Eren.

      P.S. Good to see that the story is picking up the pace.

      The sh*t machine is clearly not meant to be a gag in most of it's unfortunate appearances but it became a gag in the community because of how poorly written and laughable the scenario was as while it is connected to Zackley's hatred of nobility that he mentions in Uprising the problem is that this moment for me was not handled subtly but done in an over the top fashion that made it hard for me to ever take the character seriously again and the tone in general in both sh*t machine scenes is that they tonally clash with everything around them. This chapter in particular was trying (not very successfully) to be a subtle chapter about plots, interrogations, and the art of lying and then this scene comes along where Isayama again makes the boring point that Zackley is like some crappy Saturday morning cartoon villain that salivates at the thought of torturing those around him in the most cartoonish way possible and it clashes with the tone he is aiming for by reducing what should be grim and earth shattering moment in every sense of the word (like seriously Floch flat out admitted to plotting to assassinate their head of state and Eren was cool with that) to LOL the sh*t machine killed him like just put the bomb in his desk it does the same thing and keeps the spotlight on the assassination rather than trying to make the silly point that his obsession over cartoonish torture killed him. Also the death felt like a poorly written version of one of my all time favourite character deaths and it was an incredibly unflattering reference as one was masterfully built up while the other was handled with all the subtlety and grace of a bull in a china shop.

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    • Freeman1378 wrote:
      Marco1995mega wrote:
      The "custom chair" was NOT a gag, nor an attempt at comedy, and I don't understand why some people here think it is. It's a damn torture machine. I'm not talking in general terms, either. In this chapter, if you hadn't noticed, Darius glanced at the chair after Mikasa had asked what was going to happen to Eren. Furthermore, he'd stayed silent shortly just before doing so, showing his unwillingness to answer.

      In other words, Zackly was planning to use his chair on Eren.

      P.S. Good to see that the story is picking up the pace.

      The sh*t machine is clearly not meant to be a gag in most of it's unfortunate appearances but it became a gag in the community because of how poorly written and laughable the scenario was as while it is connected to Zackley's hatred of nobility that he mentions in Uprising the problem is that this moment for me was not handled subtly but done in an over the top fashion that made it hard for me to ever take the character seriously again and the tone in general in both sh*t machine scenes is that they tonally clash with everything around them. This chapter in particular was trying (not very successfully) to be a subtle chapter about plots, interrogations, and the art of lying and then this scene comes along where Isayama again makes the boring point that Zackley is like some crappy Saturday morning cartoon villain that salivates at the thought of torturing those around him in the most cartoonish way possible and it clashes with the tone he is aiming for by reducing what should be grim and earth shattering moment in every sense of the word (like seriously Floch flat out admitted to plotting to assassinate their head of state and Eren was cool with that) to LOL the sh*t machine killed him like just put the bomb in his desk it does the same thing and keeps the spotlight on the assassination rather than trying to make the silly point that his obsession over cartoonish torture killed him. Also the death felt like a poorly written version of one of my all time favourite character deaths and it was an incredibly unflattering reference as one was masterfully built up while the other was handled with all the subtlety and grace of a bull in a china shop.

      Really? To me, the scene with the chubby noble in the chair was downright disturbing. I literally found nothing funny about it. Zackly was a bit over-the-top, maybe, but the maniacal grin on his face just went to show his psychotic side. Everybody's got a side to them they keep close to the vest; Darius' was merely... unexpected for a man of his station and normally composed demeanor. Nonetheless, in my view, it didn't take away anything at all from his capabilities as commander-in-chief. If anything, it just made him appear more dangerous. I mean, you know how Hange is, and yet, do you think her eccentricities make her less of a soldier or a commander? I don't.

      Plus, I don't think the sh*t machine scenes clash with the tone at all; in fact, they just add onto it. The glance he sends to it in the meeting without verbally revealing anything to Mikasa, Armin, or the readers, but insinuating his thoughts still. That gave me chills, man. And the way it was used to kill him? Totally unexpected. Heck, some might find it as poetic justice; his 'bad habits' get him killed and all that jazz. Besides, not all death scenes ought to be super subtle and graceful (and I wouldn't necessarily agree with your assessment there). Some should come hard and strong. And the way the crowd reacted to his mangled corpse was priceless, deliciously horrifying, and convolutedly insightful. And Eren's 'totally cool' reaction is just adding another layer of mystery. Sure, we get that he's become more apathetic, but there are clearly details that we are still missing. Like, how he got that way, other than the military's snail-paced response time.

      I can agree it's not the very best chapter on secret plots and lying, but it's FAR from bad, too. I quite liked this chapter. I rated it 9 out of 10.

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    • Marco1995mega wrote:
      Freeman1378 wrote:
      Marco1995mega wrote:
      The "custom chair" was NOT a gag, nor an attempt at comedy, and I don't understand why some people here think it is. It's a damn torture machine. I'm not talking in general terms, either. In this chapter, if you hadn't noticed, Darius glanced at the chair after Mikasa had asked what was going to happen to Eren. Furthermore, he'd stayed silent shortly just before doing so, showing his unwillingness to answer.

      In other words, Zackly was planning to use his chair on Eren.

      P.S. Good to see that the story is picking up the pace.

      The sh*t machine is clearly not meant to be a gag in most of it's unfortunate appearances but it became a gag in the community because of how poorly written and laughable the scenario was as while it is connected to Zackley's hatred of nobility that he mentions in Uprising the problem is that this moment for me was not handled subtly but done in an over the top fashion that made it hard for me to ever take the character seriously again and the tone in general in both sh*t machine scenes is that they tonally clash with everything around them. This chapter in particular was trying (not very successfully) to be a subtle chapter about plots, interrogations, and the art of lying and then this scene comes along where Isayama again makes the boring point that Zackley is like some crappy Saturday morning cartoon villain that salivates at the thought of torturing those around him in the most cartoonish way possible and it clashes with the tone he is aiming for by reducing what should be grim and earth shattering moment in every sense of the word (like seriously Floch flat out admitted to plotting to assassinate their head of state and Eren was cool with that) to LOL the sh*t machine killed him like just put the bomb in his desk it does the same thing and keeps the spotlight on the assassination rather than trying to make the silly point that his obsession over cartoonish torture killed him. Also the death felt like a poorly written version of one of my all time favourite character deaths and it was an incredibly unflattering reference as one was masterfully built up while the other was handled with all the subtlety and grace of a bull in a china shop.
      Really? To me, the scene with the chubby noble in the chair was downright disturbing. I literally found nothing funny about it. Zackly was a bit over-the-top, maybe, but the maniacal grin on his face just went to show his psychotic side. Everybody's got a side to them they keep close to the vest; Darius' was merely... unexpected for a man of his station and normally composed demeanor. Nonetheless, in my view, it didn't take away anything at all from his capabilities as commander-in-chief. If anything, it just made him appear more dangerous. I mean, you know how Hange is, and yet, do you think her eccentricities make her less of a soldier or a commander? I don't.

      Plus, I don't think the sh*t machine scenes clash with the tone at all; in fact, they just add onto it. The glance he sends to it in the meeting without verbally revealing anything to Mikasa, Armin, or the readers, but insinuating his thoughts still. That gave me chills, man. And the way it was used to kill him? Totally unexpected. Heck, some might find it as poetic justice; his 'bad habits' get him killed and all that jazz. Besides, not all death scenes ought to be super subtle and graceful (and I wouldn't necessarily agree with your assessment there). Some should come hard and strong. And the way the crowd reacted to his mangled corpse was priceless, deliciously horrifying, and convolutedly insightful. And Eren's 'totally cool' reaction is just adding another layer of mystery. Sure, we get that he's become more apathetic, but there are clearly details that we are still missing. Like, how he got that way, other than the military's snail-paced response time.

      I can agree it's not the very best chapter on secret plots and lying, but it's FAR from bad, too. I quite liked this chapter. I rated it 9 out of 10.

      I don't know at this point it's just an agree to disagree situation as one note psychotic characters are not really my cup of tea and the thing with Zackley's torture habit is I find it a pretty bland way to show somebodys evil and the noble scene just felt weakly executed as it didn't scare me and felt like it was trying to hard to show Zackley's depravity and in the end felt more like a parody than something to be taken seriously (his facial reactions and dialogue were the main culprits for why this scene doesn't work). My beef with Zackley's death is that it could have toned down a bit as it is clearly a plot driven death more than a character one as Zackley is pretty thin as a character and I feel that the irony was lazy and unearned and cheapened the moment. Eren is pretty intriguing right now I'll agree with that and I think he's never been more exciting as a character due to the level of unpredictability in his actions and it feels to me like a natural progression for him to end up being a morally grey anti-hero. Ultimately I don't hate this chapter but this has been one of my last favourite stretches in the entire series as most of the recent chapters including this one would be 5's or 6's out of 10 (106 is a 3 as I truly disliked it and 108 is the highlight with an 8) but things do look to be better now and I have faith in WIT to do it better by making it 1 or 2 episodes.

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    • 6/10 chapter

      Mainly because I was confused throughout some of it.. I'll need to re-read it again.

      On a positive note, I love how EMA are becoming more independent from one another. Can't wait for next month.

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    • Eren, you've f*cked it up.

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    • Freeman1378 wrote:

      Marco1995mega wrote:
      Freeman1378 wrote:
      Marco1995mega wrote:
      The "custom chair" was NOT a gag, nor an attempt at comedy, and I don't understand why some people here think it is. It's a damn torture machine. I'm not talking in general terms, either. In this chapter, if you hadn't noticed, Darius glanced at the chair after Mikasa had asked what was going to happen to Eren. Furthermore, he'd stayed silent shortly just before doing so, showing his unwillingness to answer.

      In other words, Zackly was planning to use his chair on Eren.

      P.S. Good to see that the story is picking up the pace.

      The sh*t machine is clearly not meant to be a gag in most of it's unfortunate appearances but it became a gag in the community because of how poorly written and laughable the scenario was as while it is connected to Zackley's hatred of nobility that he mentions in Uprising the problem is that this moment for me was not handled subtly but done in an over the top fashion that made it hard for me to ever take the character seriously again and the tone in general in both sh*t machine scenes is that they tonally clash with everything around them. This chapter in particular was trying (not very successfully) to be a subtle chapter about plots, interrogations, and the art of lying and then this scene comes along where Isayama again makes the boring point that Zackley is like some crappy Saturday morning cartoon villain that salivates at the thought of torturing those around him in the most cartoonish way possible and it clashes with the tone he is aiming for by reducing what should be grim and earth shattering moment in every sense of the word (like seriously Floch flat out admitted to plotting to assassinate their head of state and Eren was cool with that) to LOL the sh*t machine killed him like just put the bomb in his desk it does the same thing and keeps the spotlight on the assassination rather than trying to make the silly point that his obsession over cartoonish torture killed him. Also the death felt like a poorly written version of one of my all time favourite character deaths and it was an incredibly unflattering reference as one was masterfully built up while the other was handled with all the subtlety and grace of a bull in a china shop.
      Really? To me, the scene with the chubby noble in the chair was downright disturbing. I literally found nothing funny about it. Zackly was a bit over-the-top, maybe, but the maniacal grin on his face just went to show his psychotic side. Everybody's got a side to them they keep close to the vest; Darius' was merely... unexpected for a man of his station and normally composed demeanor. Nonetheless, in my view, it didn't take away anything at all from his capabilities as commander-in-chief. If anything, it just made him appear more dangerous. I mean, you know how Hange is, and yet, do you think her eccentricities make her less of a soldier or a commander? I don't.

      Plus, I don't think the sh*t machine scenes clash with the tone at all; in fact, they just add onto it. The glance he sends to it in the meeting without verbally revealing anything to Mikasa, Armin, or the readers, but insinuating his thoughts still. That gave me chills, man. And the way it was used to kill him? Totally unexpected. Heck, some might find it as poetic justice; his 'bad habits' get him killed and all that jazz. Besides, not all death scenes ought to be super subtle and graceful (and I wouldn't necessarily agree with your assessment there). Some should come hard and strong. And the way the crowd reacted to his mangled corpse was priceless, deliciously horrifying, and convolutedly insightful. And Eren's 'totally cool' reaction is just adding another layer of mystery. Sure, we get that he's become more apathetic, but there are clearly details that we are still missing. Like, how he got that way, other than the military's snail-paced response time.

      I can agree it's not the very best chapter on secret plots and lying, but it's FAR from bad, too. I quite liked this chapter. I rated it 9 out of 10.

      I don't know at this point it's just an agree to disagree situation as one note psychotic characters are not really my cup of tea and the thing with Zackley's torture habit is I find it a pretty bland way to show somebodys evil and the noble scene just felt weakly executed as it didn't scare me and felt like it was trying to hard to show Zackley's depravity and in the end felt more like a parody than something to be taken seriously (his facial reactions and dialogue were the main culprits for why this scene doesn't work). My beef with Zackley's death is that it could have toned down a bit as it is clearly a plot driven death more than a character one as Zackley is pretty thin as a character and I feel that the irony was lazy and unearned and cheapened the moment. Eren is pretty intriguing right now I'll agree with that and I think he's never been more exciting as a character due to the level of unpredictability in his actions and it feels to me like a natural progression for him to end up being a morally grey anti-hero. Ultimately I don't hate this chapter but this has been one of my last favourite stretches in the entire series as most of the recent chapters including this one would be 5's or 6's out of 10 (106 is a 3 as I truly disliked it and 108 is the highlight with an 8) but things do look to be better now and I have faith in WIT to do it better by making it 1 or 2 episodes.

      To be honest, I always thought Zackley was a bit of a shit character ever since "his other side" was revealed in the Uprising Arc. I understand it gave him a layer of his character, that he was not all good, he had his own selfish motives. It made me lost a little respect for Zackley. I am kinda glad that he is dead & he was killed by the very thing he loved.

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    • Ahaha, a "shit character". Ah, same -- lost a bit of respect for the guy. After his "other side" was revealed, I didn't know what to make of it. How did he even obtain that position of power?

      Zackly was an example of a character who was just... there. I hope that in the future chapters, we get to know more about what significance he had as a man of authority (using the Isayama way... through flashbacks! Or other hinting). Otherwise, his death will have had no importance to the story -- "oh, the head of state/the military was just killed, but we never knew much about him, so let's just focus on the main characters instead".

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    • TheMagicalWonders wrote: Ahaha, a "shit character". Ah, same -- lost a bit of respect for the guy. After his "other side" was revealed, I didn't know what to make of it. How did he even obtain that position of power?

      Zackly was an example of a character who was just... there. I hope that in the future chapters, we get to know more about what significance he had as a man of authority (using the Isayama way... through flashbacks! Or other hinting). Otherwise, his death will have had no importance to the story -- "oh, the head of state/the military was just killed, but we never knew much about him, so let's just focus on the main characters instead".

      Who knows, he probably had some part that Eren going rogue. Otherwise, what else is the reason for him being killed off.

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    • Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      TheMagicalWonders wrote: Ahaha, a "shit character". Ah, same -- lost a bit of respect for the guy. After his "other side" was revealed, I didn't know what to make of it. How did he even obtain that position of power?

      Zackly was an example of a character who was just... there. I hope that in the future chapters, we get to know more about what significance he had as a man of authority (using the Isayama way... through flashbacks! Or other hinting). Otherwise, his death will have had no importance to the story -- "oh, the head of state/the military was just killed, but we never knew much about him, so let's just focus on the main characters instead".

      Who knows, he probably had some part that Eren going rogue. Otherwise, what else is the reason for him being killed off.

      If any involvement, it was that he was a plot device (as of now). Characters that are created to only be plot devices aren't really people at all -- they're just flat.

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    • TheMagicalWonders wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      TheMagicalWonders wrote: Ahaha, a "shit character". Ah, same -- lost a bit of respect for the guy. After his "other side" was revealed, I didn't know what to make of it. How did he even obtain that position of power?

      Zackly was an example of a character who was just... there. I hope that in the future chapters, we get to know more about what significance he had as a man of authority (using the Isayama way... through flashbacks! Or other hinting). Otherwise, his death will have had no importance to the story -- "oh, the head of state/the military was just killed, but we never knew much about him, so let's just focus on the main characters instead".

      Who knows, he probably had some part that Eren going rogue. Otherwise, what else is the reason for him being killed off.

      If any involvement, it was that he was a plot device (as of now). Characters that are created to only be plot devices aren't really people at all -- they're just flat.

      True.

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    • Great  chapter.  Now that Eren turn from Anti hero to Anti villian this series is getting more interesting. Looks like Mikasa is shock as ever while Armin probably saw this coming. Look like Eren is going to where Zeke and Levi are. Zackley die Thats too bad I really start to like the man

      Will Levi attempt tp stop Eren or let Eren and Zeke roam free?If Levi is smart he should not even attempt to stop Eren and Zeke unless he wants to get himself kill.

      Since this is levi he probably knows how to survive in a situation like this.

      So its Eren side vs Paradis side vs Entire world and Marley. Who will win? I want Paradis side to win of course.

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    • The chapter seemingly gives the picture of Zeke actually not intending for the transformation at Ragako. But that could all be just a lie. Since as the kid explained, the attack at Ragako was to test the power of their enemies, so it seems weird that Zeke unintentionally made everyone as Titans and found out that he could control them. I rather bet that he's lying. And since this AOT, and that every character is human here, I think that's the best way for Zeke to survive. Or he'll obviously not be trusted(even less than he is now)

      Eren escaped prison! The man always keeps to his word, man. And he has a bunch of followers too, and it seems that Charlie(I can't remember his name) sees him as Erwin. The guy ready to do the things no one else is ready to, a devil.

      Eren's plans on reaching Zeke is not confirmed. Maybe he's planning to team up with his brother? Or maybe he's intending to use his royal blood for his advantage.

      Just want to see Eren's War Hammer Titan. Will it be a mix of two of his titans?

      And from this I wonder, is Eren planning to all the nine Titans to gain the power of Ymir?

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    • I want Levi dead It's not like I hate him or anything, but this is attack on titan! Death of the characters you like is the best and the worst part of this story! Beside, It would be epic to see Eren going against his former mentor that he feared so much in the past.

      This is probably just me but I think (and badly wanted) the forest of the giant trees that they're imprisoning Zeke inside to be the exactly the same forest of giant trees the Corps went during the 57th expedition! 

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    • Now that I think of it, if Eren kind of finds Zeke in the Forest of the giant trees, then wouldn't he be reminded of the deaths of Levi's sqaud? Or will Levi remind about their sacrifice to protect him and humanity? While Eren and Levi start to fight.

      Now, I'm pretty sure Zeke will help in the fight for Eren, if Eren is on Zeke's side. Or unless he's not in his side, and intends to take revenge and the Beast Titan from Zeke, he comes to eat him. And Levi has no other option but keep Eren away from Zeke. And I'm sure this battle's gonna go way more intense than any other. Eren probably knows Levi's moves and how fast he is, and as once Hange said, if you want to kill Levi, you have to know everything about him. I don't know how experienced and strong a War Hammer Attack Titan Eren could be, but he'll be awesome, that's for sure.

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    • TheMagicalWonders wrote: Ahaha, a "shit character". Ah, same -- lost a bit of respect for the guy. After his "other side" was revealed, I didn't know what to make of it. How did he even obtain that position of power?

      Zackly was an example of a character who was just... there. I hope that in the future chapters, we get to know more about what significance he had as a man of authority (using the Isayama way... through flashbacks! Or other hinting). Otherwise, his death will have had no importance to the story -- "oh, the head of state/the military was just killed, but we never knew much about him, so let's just focus on the main characters instead".

      Are you making me fun of me?

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      TheMagicalWonders wrote: Ahaha, a "shit character". Ah, same -- lost a bit of respect for the guy. After his "other side" was revealed, I didn't know what to make of it. How did he even obtain that position of power?

      Zackly was an example of a character who was just... there. I hope that in the future chapters, we get to know more about what significance he had as a man of authority (using the Isayama way... through flashbacks! Or other hinting). Otherwise, his death will have had no importance to the story -- "oh, the head of state/the military was just killed, but we never knew much about him, so let's just focus on the main characters instead".

      Are you making me fun of me?

      I'm sorry if it seemed so, I just thought that was an interesting unintentional (or intentional, idk) pun.

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    • TheMagicalWonders wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      TheMagicalWonders wrote: Ahaha, a "shit character". Ah, same -- lost a bit of respect for the guy. After his "other side" was revealed, I didn't know what to make of it. How did he even obtain that position of power?

      Zackly was an example of a character who was just... there. I hope that in the future chapters, we get to know more about what significance he had as a man of authority (using the Isayama way... through flashbacks! Or other hinting). Otherwise, his death will have had no importance to the story -- "oh, the head of state/the military was just killed, but we never knew much about him, so let's just focus on the main characters instead".

      Are you making me fun of me?

      I'm sorry if it seemed so, I just thought that was an interesting unintentional (or intentional, idk) pun.

      Ooooh...well it was pun not intended. I get it though, you wish there was more to Zackley. Maybe there might be a prequel story about him in a novel. Glad I made you laugh.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.

      Yes and no. I'm not one of those "scatophilia" types. I just relish the idea of Gabi suffering greatly for the evil she has inflicted, however that may be. Zackley's "art" was just one of the most obvious ways to torture her, but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways she can be physically harmed.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.

      Yes and no. I'm not one of those "scatophilia" types. I just relish the idea of Gabi suffering greatly for the evil she has inflicted, however that may be. Zackley's "art" was just one of the most obvious ways to torture her, but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways she can be physically harmed.

      Well I am NO scatophiliac either. However you are forgetting who the "real enemy" is here (insert Erwin Smith here) that started this whole thing.

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    • Oh Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.
      Yes and no. I'm not one of those "scatophilia" types. I just relish the idea of Gabi suffering greatly for the evil she has inflicted, however that may be. Zackley's "art" was just one of the most obvious ways to torture her, but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways she can be physically harmed.
      Well I am NO scatophiliac either. However you are forgetting who the "real enemy" is here (insert Erwin Smith here) that started this whole thing.

      Oh don't get me wrong, I can't wait for Eren to use the rumbling to wipe Marley and all of Paradis' enemies off the face of the earth. But also don't forget there's a reason Gabi is the series' most hated character, and not just because of bad writing on Isayama's part.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Oh Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.
      Yes and no. I'm not one of those "scatophilia" types. I just relish the idea of Gabi suffering greatly for the evil she has inflicted, however that may be. Zackley's "art" was just one of the most obvious ways to torture her, but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways she can be physically harmed.
      Well I am NO scatophiliac either. However you are forgetting who the "real enemy" is here (insert Erwin Smith here) that started this whole thing.

      Oh don't get me wrong, I can't wait for Eren to use the rumbling to wipe Marley and all of Paradis' enemies off the face of the earth. But also don't forget there's a reason Gabi is the series' most hated character, and not just because of bad writing on Isayama's part.

      You guys do know that the reason why Gabi killed Sasha is due to being raised on hating people from paradise. She never even seen them up close and personnel like her cousin did until their hometown was attacked.

      Gabi killing Sasha is due to her vengeful nature because people she knows are being killed left and right.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Oh Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.
      Yes and no. I'm not one of those "scatophilia" types. I just relish the idea of Gabi suffering greatly for the evil she has inflicted, however that may be. Zackley's "art" was just one of the most obvious ways to torture her, but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways she can be physically harmed.
      Well I am NO scatophiliac either. However you are forgetting who the "real enemy" is here (insert Erwin Smith here) that started this whole thing.
      Oh don't get me wrong, I can't wait for Eren to use the rumbling to wipe Marley and all of Paradis' enemies off the face of the earth. But also don't forget there's a reason Gabi is the series' most hated character, and not just because of bad writing on Isayama's part.
      You guys do know that the reason why Gabi killed Sasha is due to being raised on hating people from paradise. She never even seen them up close and personnel like her cousin did until their hometown was attacked.

      Gabi killing Sasha is due to her vengeful nature because people she knows are being killed left and right.

      That's only why Gabi went on her psychotic rampage. The reason Sasha specifically was killed as a result of said rampage was because Isayama didn't give a rats ass about her and just wanted her out of the way. Apparently he doesn't realize (or care) about how much a series can tank when you kill of a beloved character (Sasha) and replace them with a total garbage character (Gabi).

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    • Gabi did nothing wrong, its just you people are overly frustrated that your beloved character is dead because she killed a whole bunch of the latter's allies(in front of her face too), that poor confused kid only did what anyone in her position and power will do. Your emotions are clouding your judgement, Gabi is actually a perfect example of a person caught up between reality and lies. It's not her fault that she killed an enemy soldier...but it is completely her fault that she is quite an annoying blockhead when she wants to kill everyone that she labelled as a "paradis devil"

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      Oh Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:



      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.
      Yes and no. I'm not one of those "scatophilia" types. I just relish the idea of Gabi suffering greatly for the evil she has inflicted, however that may be. Zackley's "art" was just one of the most obvious ways to torture her, but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways she can be physically harmed.
      Well I am NO scatophiliac either. However you are forgetting who the "real enemy" is here (insert Erwin Smith here) that started this whole thing.
      Oh don't get me wrong, I can't wait for Eren to use the rumbling to wipe Marley and all of Paradis' enemies off the face of the earth. But also don't forget there's a reason Gabi is the series' most hated character, and not just because of bad writing on Isayama's part.
      You guys do know that the reason why Gabi killed Sasha is due to being raised on hating people from paradise. She never even seen them up close and personnel like her cousin did until their hometown was attacked.

      Gabi killing Sasha is due to her vengeful nature because people she knows are being killed left and right.

      That's only why Gabi went on her psychotic rampage. The reason Sasha specifically was killed as a result of said rampage was because Isayama didn't give a rats ass about her and just wanted her out of the way. Apparently he doesn't realize (or care) about how much a series can tank when you kill of a beloved character (Sasha) and replace them with a total garbage character (Gabi).

      I don't think that Sasha was killed because Isayama disliked her but was instead done to serve three narrative functions. First Sasha was the comic relief character and its common in Japanese/Western media to kill the most cheerful/normal/jokey character when things take a turn towards the dark to highlight that the happy days are officially dead and this death served that purpose to a tee. Secondly I think killing Sasha was a last ditch attempt by Isayama to show that the Battle Of Liberio wasn't a total curb stomp but unfortunately choosing a character who never reached their full potential felt like Isayama was pulling his punches as Liberio needed a major death to make this narrative trick work. Finally this death was executed to make us question Eren's morality by having his actions result in the death of a main character but Isayama dropped the ball on this one too by making Eren's gambit a total victory in nearly every way (the story would already be over if Zeke wasn't shady) and the moral ambiguity would have worked better if the battle was a bloodbath for both sides with numerous high profile character deaths to make us question the cost of said battle.

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    • Freeman1378 wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:



      Oh Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:




      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.
      Yes and no. I'm not one of those "scatophilia" types. I just relish the idea of Gabi suffering greatly for the evil she has inflicted, however that may be. Zackley's "art" was just one of the most obvious ways to torture her, but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways she can be physically harmed.
      Well I am NO scatophiliac either. However you are forgetting who the "real enemy" is here (insert Erwin Smith here) that started this whole thing.
      Oh don't get me wrong, I can't wait for Eren to use the rumbling to wipe Marley and all of Paradis' enemies off the face of the earth. But also don't forget there's a reason Gabi is the series' most hated character, and not just because of bad writing on Isayama's part.
      You guys do know that the reason why Gabi killed Sasha is due to being raised on hating people from paradise. She never even seen them up close and personnel like her cousin did until their hometown was attacked.

      Gabi killing Sasha is due to her vengeful nature because people she knows are being killed left and right.

      That's only why Gabi went on her psychotic rampage. The reason Sasha specifically was killed as a result of said rampage was because Isayama didn't give a rats ass about her and just wanted her out of the way. Apparently he doesn't realize (or care) about how much a series can tank when you kill of a beloved character (Sasha) and replace them with a total garbage character (Gabi).
      I don't think that Sasha was killed because Isayama disliked her but was instead done to serve three narrative functions. First Sasha was the comic relief character and its common in Japanese/Western media to kill the most cheerful/normal/jokey character when things take a turn towards the dark to highlight that the happy days are officially dead and this death served that purpose to a tee. Secondly I think killing Sasha was a last ditch attempt by Isayama to show that the Battle Of Liberio wasn't a total curb stomp but unfortunately choosing a character who never reached their full potential felt like Isayama was pulling his punches as Liberio needed a major death to make this narrative trick work. Finally this death was executed to make us question Eren's morality by having his actions result in the death of a main character but Isayama dropped the ball on this one too by making Eren's gambit a total victory in nearly every way (the story would already be over if Zeke wasn't shady) and the moral ambiguity would have worked better if the battle was a bloodbath for both sides with numerous high profile character deaths to make us question the cost of said battle.

      Except Eren is NOT responsible for Sasha's death. Gabi is. She pulled the trigger, not Eren. And the SC officers blaming Eren for what Gabi did are fools.

      That aside, it's never a good sign when garbage characters are suddenly thrown into the spotlight the way Isayama is doing with Gabi when she has no positive character qualities to show for it.

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    • Erdagon wrote:
      Gabi did nothing wrong, its just you people are overly frustrated that your beloved character is dead because she killed a whole bunch of the latter's allies(in front of her face too), that poor confused kid only did what anyone in her position and power will do. Your emotions are clouding your judgement, Gabi is actually a perfect example of a person caught up between reality and lies. It's not her fault that she killed an enemy soldier...but it is completely her fault that she is quite an annoying blockhead when she wants to kill everyone that she labelled as a "paradis devil"

      Again, she pulled the trigger. So yes, it IS her fault. #GabiDidEverythingWrong

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Freeman1378 wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:



      Oh Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:




      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.
      Yes and no. I'm not one of those "scatophilia" types. I just relish the idea of Gabi suffering greatly for the evil she has inflicted, however that may be. Zackley's "art" was just one of the most obvious ways to torture her, but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways she can be physically harmed.
      Well I am NO scatophiliac either. However you are forgetting who the "real enemy" is here (insert Erwin Smith here) that started this whole thing.
      Oh don't get me wrong, I can't wait for Eren to use the rumbling to wipe Marley and all of Paradis' enemies off the face of the earth. But also don't forget there's a reason Gabi is the series' most hated character, and not just because of bad writing on Isayama's part.
      You guys do know that the reason why Gabi killed Sasha is due to being raised on hating people from paradise. She never even seen them up close and personnel like her cousin did until their hometown was attacked.

      Gabi killing Sasha is due to her vengeful nature because people she knows are being killed left and right.

      That's only why Gabi went on her psychotic rampage. The reason Sasha specifically was killed as a result of said rampage was because Isayama didn't give a rats ass about her and just wanted her out of the way. Apparently he doesn't realize (or care) about how much a series can tank when you kill of a beloved character (Sasha) and replace them with a total garbage character (Gabi).
      I don't think that Sasha was killed because Isayama disliked her but was instead done to serve three narrative functions. First Sasha was the comic relief character and its common in Japanese/Western media to kill the most cheerful/normal/jokey character when things take a turn towards the dark to highlight that the happy days are officially dead and this death served that purpose to a tee. Secondly I think killing Sasha was a last ditch attempt by Isayama to show that the Battle Of Liberio wasn't a total curb stomp but unfortunately choosing a character who never reached their full potential felt like Isayama was pulling his punches as Liberio needed a major death to make this narrative trick work. Finally this death was executed to make us question Eren's morality by having his actions result in the death of a main character but Isayama dropped the ball on this one too by making Eren's gambit a total victory in nearly every way (the story would already be over if Zeke wasn't shady) and the moral ambiguity would have worked better if the battle was a bloodbath for both sides with numerous high profile character deaths to make us question the cost of said battle.
      Except Eren is NOT responsible for Sasha's death. Gabi is. She pulled the trigger, not Eren. And the SC officers blaming Eren for what Gabi did are fools.

      That aside, it's never a good sign when garbage characters are suddenly thrown into the spotlight the way Isayama is doing with Gabi when she has no positive character qualities to show for it.

      Tell me why was Sasha in this warzone? Heck even Eren knows that death is on him like seriously I don't even really like Gabi as a character but the hate for her is getting ludicrous she is not Satan she is a brainwashed little kid who just had her world turned upside down by an invading army and people need to realize that. Again this happened 5-6 chapters ago it's time to move on there is bigger fish to fry in this story then the death of a mildly enjoyable comic relief character.

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    • Erdagon wrote: Gabi did nothing wrong, its just you people are overly frustrated that your beloved character is dead because she killed a whole bunch of the latter's allies(in front of her face too), that poor confused kid only did what anyone in her position and power will do. Your emotions are clouding your judgement, Gabi is actually a perfect example of a person caught up between reality and lies. It's not her fault that she killed an enemy soldier...but it is completely her fault that she is quite an annoying blockhead when she wants to kill everyone that she labelled as a "paradis devil"

      Well said and exactly true there. While Gabi can be annoying, but she behaves like any other character of her personality would. Besides, Gabi will no doubt change after continued exposure with Kaya and Paradise.

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    • Freeman1378 wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Freeman1378 wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:




      Oh Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:





      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.
      Yes and no. I'm not one of those "scatophilia" types. I just relish the idea of Gabi suffering greatly for the evil she has inflicted, however that may be. Zackley's "art" was just one of the most obvious ways to torture her, but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways she can be physically harmed.
      Well I am NO scatophiliac either. However you are forgetting who the "real enemy" is here (insert Erwin Smith here) that started this whole thing.
      Oh don't get me wrong, I can't wait for Eren to use the rumbling to wipe Marley and all of Paradis' enemies off the face of the earth. But also don't forget there's a reason Gabi is the series' most hated character, and not just because of bad writing on Isayama's part.
      You guys do know that the reason why Gabi killed Sasha is due to being raised on hating people from paradise. She never even seen them up close and personnel like her cousin did until their hometown was attacked.

      Gabi killing Sasha is due to her vengeful nature because people she knows are being killed left and right.

      That's only why Gabi went on her psychotic rampage. The reason Sasha specifically was killed as a result of said rampage was because Isayama didn't give a rats ass about her and just wanted her out of the way. Apparently he doesn't realize (or care) about how much a series can tank when you kill of a beloved character (Sasha) and replace them with a total garbage character (Gabi).
      I don't think that Sasha was killed because Isayama disliked her but was instead done to serve three narrative functions. First Sasha was the comic relief character and its common in Japanese/Western media to kill the most cheerful/normal/jokey character when things take a turn towards the dark to highlight that the happy days are officially dead and this death served that purpose to a tee. Secondly I think killing Sasha was a last ditch attempt by Isayama to show that the Battle Of Liberio wasn't a total curb stomp but unfortunately choosing a character who never reached their full potential felt like Isayama was pulling his punches as Liberio needed a major death to make this narrative trick work. Finally this death was executed to make us question Eren's morality by having his actions result in the death of a main character but Isayama dropped the ball on this one too by making Eren's gambit a total victory in nearly every way (the story would already be over if Zeke wasn't shady) and the moral ambiguity would have worked better if the battle was a bloodbath for both sides with numerous high profile character deaths to make us question the cost of said battle.
      Except Eren is NOT responsible for Sasha's death. Gabi is. She pulled the trigger, not Eren. And the SC officers blaming Eren for what Gabi did are fools.

      That aside, it's never a good sign when garbage characters are suddenly thrown into the spotlight the way Isayama is doing with Gabi when she has no positive character qualities to show for it.

      Tell me why was Sasha in this warzone? Heck even Eren knows that death is on him like seriously I don't even really like Gabi as a character but the hate for her is getting ludicrous she is not Satan she is a brainwashed little kid who just had her world turned upside down by an invading army and people need to realize that. Again this happened 5-6 chapters ago it's time to move on there is bigger fish to fry in this story then the death of a mildly enjoyable comic relief character.

      I do agree the story is bigger than Sasha, but after nearly 105 chapters of following her and the other main characters, I think we're allowed to be angry that Isayama is sweeping them under the rug for some Marley kids that nobody even cares about, save for Falco, but even he has been falling victim to the abysmally terrible writing that plagued the Marley arc. Granted, it started improving once the story shifted (no pun intended) back to Paradis, but honestly, the bigger fish is less about what happens next and more about what happened to what was once a truly unique and interesting story.

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    • Freeman1378 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      Oh Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:



      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.
      Yes and no. I'm not one of those "scatophilia" types. I just relish the idea of Gabi suffering greatly for the evil she has inflicted, however that may be. Zackley's "art" was just one of the most obvious ways to torture her, but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways she can be physically harmed.
      Well I am NO scatophiliac either. However you are forgetting who the "real enemy" is here (insert Erwin Smith here) that started this whole thing.
      Oh don't get me wrong, I can't wait for Eren to use the rumbling to wipe Marley and all of Paradis' enemies off the face of the earth. But also don't forget there's a reason Gabi is the series' most hated character, and not just because of bad writing on Isayama's part.
      You guys do know that the reason why Gabi killed Sasha is due to being raised on hating people from paradise. She never even seen them up close and personnel like her cousin did until their hometown was attacked.

      Gabi killing Sasha is due to her vengeful nature because people she knows are being killed left and right.

      That's only why Gabi went on her psychotic rampage. The reason Sasha specifically was killed as a result of said rampage was because Isayama didn't give a rats ass about her and just wanted her out of the way. Apparently he doesn't realize (or care) about how much a series can tank when you kill of a beloved character (Sasha) and replace them with a total garbage character (Gabi).

      I don't think that Sasha was killed because Isayama disliked her but was instead done to serve three narrative functions. First Sasha was the comic relief character and its common in Japanese/Western media to kill the most cheerful/normal/jokey character when things take a turn towards the dark to highlight that the happy days are officially dead and this death served that purpose to a tee. Secondly I think killing Sasha was a last ditch attempt by Isayama to show that the Battle Of Liberio wasn't a total curb stomp but unfortunately choosing a character who never reached their full potential felt like Isayama was pulling his punches as Liberio needed a major death to make this narrative trick work. Finally this death was executed to make us question Eren's morality by having his actions result in the death of a main character but Isayama dropped the ball on this one too by making Eren's gambit a total victory in nearly every way (the story would already be over if Zeke wasn't shady) and the moral ambiguity would have worked better if the battle was a bloodbath for both sides with numerous high profile character deaths to make us question the cost of said battle.

      So true. We all will miss Sasha, but her death has to occur in order on starting a chain reaction, whatever it might be.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      Freeman1378 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:



      Oh Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:




      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.
      Yes and no. I'm not one of those "scatophilia" types. I just relish the idea of Gabi suffering greatly for the evil she has inflicted, however that may be. Zackley's "art" was just one of the most obvious ways to torture her, but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways she can be physically harmed.
      Well I am NO scatophiliac either. However you are forgetting who the "real enemy" is here (insert Erwin Smith here) that started this whole thing.
      Oh don't get me wrong, I can't wait for Eren to use the rumbling to wipe Marley and all of Paradis' enemies off the face of the earth. But also don't forget there's a reason Gabi is the series' most hated character, and not just because of bad writing on Isayama's part.
      You guys do know that the reason why Gabi killed Sasha is due to being raised on hating people from paradise. She never even seen them up close and personnel like her cousin did until their hometown was attacked.

      Gabi killing Sasha is due to her vengeful nature because people she knows are being killed left and right.

      That's only why Gabi went on her psychotic rampage. The reason Sasha specifically was killed as a result of said rampage was because Isayama didn't give a rats ass about her and just wanted her out of the way. Apparently he doesn't realize (or care) about how much a series can tank when you kill of a beloved character (Sasha) and replace them with a total garbage character (Gabi).
      I don't think that Sasha was killed because Isayama disliked her but was instead done to serve three narrative functions. First Sasha was the comic relief character and its common in Japanese/Western media to kill the most cheerful/normal/jokey character when things take a turn towards the dark to highlight that the happy days are officially dead and this death served that purpose to a tee. Secondly I think killing Sasha was a last ditch attempt by Isayama to show that the Battle Of Liberio wasn't a total curb stomp but unfortunately choosing a character who never reached their full potential felt like Isayama was pulling his punches as Liberio needed a major death to make this narrative trick work. Finally this death was executed to make us question Eren's morality by having his actions result in the death of a main character but Isayama dropped the ball on this one too by making Eren's gambit a total victory in nearly every way (the story would already be over if Zeke wasn't shady) and the moral ambiguity would have worked better if the battle was a bloodbath for both sides with numerous high profile character deaths to make us question the cost of said battle.
      So true. We all will miss Sasha, but her death has to occur in order on starting a chain reaction, whatever it might be.

      There were plenty of nameless soldiers with them on the ship. Why did Gabi have to shoot one of the main ones? Why not someone like, say, Floch? Even though he does speak truth about how to deal with Marley, even though the new Eldian Empire is a good thing, if losing him meant keeping Sasha then it would be a very obvious and easy trade for me.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Freeman1378 wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:



      Oh Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:




      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.
      Yes and no. I'm not one of those "scatophilia" types. I just relish the idea of Gabi suffering greatly for the evil she has inflicted, however that may be. Zackley's "art" was just one of the most obvious ways to torture her, but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways she can be physically harmed.
      Well I am NO scatophiliac either. However you are forgetting who the "real enemy" is here (insert Erwin Smith here) that started this whole thing.
      Oh don't get me wrong, I can't wait for Eren to use the rumbling to wipe Marley and all of Paradis' enemies off the face of the earth. But also don't forget there's a reason Gabi is the series' most hated character, and not just because of bad writing on Isayama's part.
      You guys do know that the reason why Gabi killed Sasha is due to being raised on hating people from paradise. She never even seen them up close and personnel like her cousin did until their hometown was attacked.

      Gabi killing Sasha is due to her vengeful nature because people she knows are being killed left and right.

      That's only why Gabi went on her psychotic rampage. The reason Sasha specifically was killed as a result of said rampage was because Isayama didn't give a rats ass about her and just wanted her out of the way. Apparently he doesn't realize (or care) about how much a series can tank when you kill of a beloved character (Sasha) and replace them with a total garbage character (Gabi).
      I don't think that Sasha was killed because Isayama disliked her but was instead done to serve three narrative functions. First Sasha was the comic relief character and its common in Japanese/Western media to kill the most cheerful/normal/jokey character when things take a turn towards the dark to highlight that the happy days are officially dead and this death served that purpose to a tee. Secondly I think killing Sasha was a last ditch attempt by Isayama to show that the Battle Of Liberio wasn't a total curb stomp but unfortunately choosing a character who never reached their full potential felt like Isayama was pulling his punches as Liberio needed a major death to make this narrative trick work. Finally this death was executed to make us question Eren's morality by having his actions result in the death of a main character but Isayama dropped the ball on this one too by making Eren's gambit a total victory in nearly every way (the story would already be over if Zeke wasn't shady) and the moral ambiguity would have worked better if the battle was a bloodbath for both sides with numerous high profile character deaths to make us question the cost of said battle.

      Except Eren is NOT responsible for Sasha's death. Gabi is. She pulled the trigger, not Eren. And the SC officers blaming Eren for what Gabi did are fools.

      That aside, it's never a good sign when garbage characters are suddenly thrown into the spotlight the way Isayama is doing with Gabi when she has no positive character qualities to show for it.

      Eren didn't kill Sasha, which is true. He was doing something for a reason that we don't know yet.

      Give Gabi several more spotlight appearances, she will no doubt change and become someone more popular then you know. After all, Eren's character was probably in that same situation in earlier chapters too.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Freeman1378 wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:



      Oh Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:




      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.
      Yes and no. I'm not one of those "scatophilia" types. I just relish the idea of Gabi suffering greatly for the evil she has inflicted, however that may be. Zackley's "art" was just one of the most obvious ways to torture her, but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways she can be physically harmed.
      Well I am NO scatophiliac either. However you are forgetting who the "real enemy" is here (insert Erwin Smith here) that started this whole thing.
      Oh don't get me wrong, I can't wait for Eren to use the rumbling to wipe Marley and all of Paradis' enemies off the face of the earth. But also don't forget there's a reason Gabi is the series' most hated character, and not just because of bad writing on Isayama's part.
      You guys do know that the reason why Gabi killed Sasha is due to being raised on hating people from paradise. She never even seen them up close and personnel like her cousin did until their hometown was attacked.

      Gabi killing Sasha is due to her vengeful nature because people she knows are being killed left and right.

      That's only why Gabi went on her psychotic rampage. The reason Sasha specifically was killed as a result of said rampage was because Isayama didn't give a rats ass about her and just wanted her out of the way. Apparently he doesn't realize (or care) about how much a series can tank when you kill of a beloved character (Sasha) and replace them with a total garbage character (Gabi).
      I don't think that Sasha was killed because Isayama disliked her but was instead done to serve three narrative functions. First Sasha was the comic relief character and its common in Japanese/Western media to kill the most cheerful/normal/jokey character when things take a turn towards the dark to highlight that the happy days are officially dead and this death served that purpose to a tee. Secondly I think killing Sasha was a last ditch attempt by Isayama to show that the Battle Of Liberio wasn't a total curb stomp but unfortunately choosing a character who never reached their full potential felt like Isayama was pulling his punches as Liberio needed a major death to make this narrative trick work. Finally this death was executed to make us question Eren's morality by having his actions result in the death of a main character but Isayama dropped the ball on this one too by making Eren's gambit a total victory in nearly every way (the story would already be over if Zeke wasn't shady) and the moral ambiguity would have worked better if the battle was a bloodbath for both sides with numerous high profile character deaths to make us question the cost of said battle.
      Except Eren is NOT responsible for Sasha's death. Gabi is. She pulled the trigger, not Eren. And the SC officers blaming Eren for what Gabi did are fools.

      That aside, it's never a good sign when garbage characters are suddenly thrown into the spotlight the way Isayama is doing with Gabi when she has no positive character qualities to show for it.

      Eren didn't kill Sasha, which is true. He was doing something for a reason that we don't know yet.

      Give Gabi several more spotlight appearances, she will no doubt change and become someone more popular then you know. After all, Eren's character was probably in that same situation in earlier chapters too.

      Isayama had fifteen chapters to make Gabi into a good character. He royally screwed up. Bad writing aside, killing a fan favorite tends to screw up any chance of a bad character being liked. The Braus farm scene? That did nothing for me. I was literally DISGUSTED with every panel I saw of her being treated with kindness by the Braus family. DISGUSTED. Sorry, I don't know whether you actually like Gabi or just saying it from a narrative perspective, but nothing at this point will change my mind about Gabi. She rightfully earned the fandom's hate.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Erdagon wrote:
      Gabi did nothing wrong, its just you people are overly frustrated that your beloved character is dead because she killed a whole bunch of the latter's allies(in front of her face too), that poor confused kid only did what anyone in her position and power will do. Your emotions are clouding your judgement, Gabi is actually a perfect example of a person caught up between reality and lies. It's not her fault that she killed an enemy soldier...but it is completely her fault that she is quite an annoying blockhead when she wants to kill everyone that she labelled as a "paradis devil"

      Again, she pulled the trigger. So yes, it IS her fault. #GabiDidEverythingWrong

      No, she behave as any child/warrior cadet of her personality would do. Gabi's hometown was attacked, two of her closes friends/comrades (Udo & Zofia) are killed as a result, along with several other people that she grew up with. What would you do if you're in that position?

      Gabi's situation mirrors that of Eren's. Eren grew up in a world with Titans wanting to eat people. Titans ate and killed Eren's Mother and killed several of his friends/comrades; making him wanting vengeance.

      Gabi grew up in a world where people fight each other, along with discrimination about her people, and raised to hate paradise inhabitants. One day, people from that place came to Gabi's hometown and attacked it; causing many deaths including those of her friends/comrades. She seeks vengeance towards those devils that were told on being evil.

      What do you think?

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    • Freeman1378 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Freeman1378 wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:



      Oh Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:




      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Wow! For the first time in a long time, the pros of the new chapter greatly outweigh the cons. Definitely a lot to like; Eren busting out, answers about what happened in Ragako, Hitch coming back, more Armin talking to Annie, the new Eldian Empire receiving massive support from the people through Eren and best of all, NO GABI this chapter (the less of that cancerous b**** we have to deal with, the better). The cons, of course, are A) Zackley getting blown to pieces since I was really looking forward to him torturing Gabi, and B) No Falco either. Gabi I despise with great intensity, but Falco must be protected at all costs.

      I knew you Gabi haters were gonna be happy that she wasn't in this chapter for once. Although seriously you wanted her to be tortured by Zackley. You probably got a sick mind as him.
      Yes and no. I'm not one of those "scatophilia" types. I just relish the idea of Gabi suffering greatly for the evil she has inflicted, however that may be. Zackley's "art" was just one of the most obvious ways to torture her, but I'm sure there are plenty of other ways she can be physically harmed.
      Well I am NO scatophiliac either. However you are forgetting who the "real enemy" is here (insert Erwin Smith here) that started this whole thing.
      Oh don't get me wrong, I can't wait for Eren to use the rumbling to wipe Marley and all of Paradis' enemies off the face of the earth. But also don't forget there's a reason Gabi is the series' most hated character, and not just because of bad writing on Isayama's part.
      You guys do know that the reason why Gabi killed Sasha is due to being raised on hating people from paradise. She never even seen them up close and personnel like her cousin did until their hometown was attacked.

      Gabi killing Sasha is due to her vengeful nature because people she knows are being killed left and right.

      That's only why Gabi went on her psychotic rampage. The reason Sasha specifically was killed as a result of said rampage was because Isayama didn't give a rats ass about her and just wanted her out of the way. Apparently he doesn't realize (or care) about how much a series can tank when you kill of a beloved character (Sasha) and replace them with a total garbage character (Gabi).
      I don't think that Sasha was killed because Isayama disliked her but was instead done to serve three narrative functions. First Sasha was the comic relief character and its common in Japanese/Western media to kill the most cheerful/normal/jokey character when things take a turn towards the dark to highlight that the happy days are officially dead and this death served that purpose to a tee. Secondly I think killing Sasha was a last ditch attempt by Isayama to show that the Battle Of Liberio wasn't a total curb stomp but unfortunately choosing a character who never reached their full potential felt like Isayama was pulling his punches as Liberio needed a major death to make this narrative trick work. Finally this death was executed to make us question Eren's morality by having his actions result in the death of a main character but Isayama dropped the ball on this one too by making Eren's gambit a total victory in nearly every way (the story would already be over if Zeke wasn't shady) and the moral ambiguity would have worked better if the battle was a bloodbath for both sides with numerous high profile character deaths to make us question the cost of said battle.
      Except Eren is NOT responsible for Sasha's death. Gabi is. She pulled the trigger, not Eren. And the SC officers blaming Eren for what Gabi did are fools.

      That aside, it's never a good sign when garbage characters are suddenly thrown into the spotlight the way Isayama is doing with Gabi when she has no positive character qualities to show for it.

      Tell me why was Sasha in this warzone? Heck even Eren knows that death is on him like seriously I don't even really like Gabi as a character but the hate for her is getting ludicrous she is not Satan she is a brainwashed little kid who just had her world turned upside down by an invading army and people need to realize that. Again this happened 5-6 chapters ago it's time to move on there is bigger fish to fry in this story then the death of a mildly enjoyable comic relief character.

      Sasha was no doubt wanting to rescue her friend and comrade (Eren Yeager) from trouble. She is that sort of a person if you read Kaya description on wanting to be like Sasha in Chapter 109.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Except Eren is NOT responsible for Sasha's death. Gabi is. She pulled the trigger, not Eren. And the SC officers blaming Eren for what Gabi did are fools.

      That aside, it's never a good sign when garbage characters are suddenly thrown into the spotlight the way Isayama is doing with Gabi when she has no positive character qualities to show for it. </div>

      Well technically Eren is indirectly responsible

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Except Eren is NOT responsible for Sasha's death. Gabi is. She pulled the trigger, not Eren. And the SC officers blaming Eren for what Gabi did are fools.

      That aside, it's never a good sign when garbage characters are suddenly thrown into the spotlight the way Isayama is doing with Gabi when she has no positive character qualities to show for it.

      Well technically Eren is indirectly responsible </div> In war, situations can be beyond our control.

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    • Freeman1378 wrote:

      I don't think that Sasha was killed because Isayama disliked her but was instead done to serve three narrative functions. First Sasha was the comic relief character and its common in Japanese/Western media to kill the most cheerful/normal/jokey character when things take a turn towards the dark to highlight that the happy days are officially dead and this death served that purpose to a tee. Secondly I think killing Sasha was a last ditch attempt by Isayama to show that the Battle Of Liberio wasn't a total curb stomp but unfortunately choosing a character who never reached their full potential felt like Isayama was pulling his punches as Liberio needed a major death to make this narrative trick work. Finally this death was executed to make us question Eren's morality by having his actions result in the death of a main character but Isayama dropped the ball on this one too by making Eren's gambit a total victory in nearly every way (the story would already be over if Zeke wasn't shady) and the moral ambiguity would have worked better if the battle was a bloodbath for both sides with numerous high profile character deaths to make us question the cost of said battle.

      So....are it worked mostly on those three narrative fronts?

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Erdagon wrote:
      Gabi did nothing wrong, its just you people are overly frustrated that your beloved character is dead because she killed a whole bunch of the latter's allies(in front of her face too), that poor confused kid only did what anyone in her position and power will do. Your emotions are clouding your judgement, Gabi is actually a perfect example of a person caught up between reality and lies. It's not her fault that she killed an enemy soldier...but it is completely her fault that she is quite an annoying blockhead when she wants to kill everyone that she labelled as a "paradis devil"
      Again, she pulled the trigger. So yes, it IS her fault. #GabiDidEverythingWrong
      No, she behave as any child/warrior cadet of her personality would do. Gabi's hometown was attacked, two of her closes friends/comrades (Udo & Zofia) are killed as a result, along with several other people that she grew up with. What would you do if you're in that position?

      Gabi's situation mirrors that of Eren's. Eren grew up in a world with Titans wanting to eat people. Titans ate and killed Eren's Mother and killed several of his friends/comrades; making him wanting vengeance.

      Gabi grew up in a world where people fight each other, along with discrimination about her people, and raised to hate paradise inhabitants. One day, people from that place came to Gabi's hometown and attacked it; causing many deaths including those of her friends/comrades. She seeks vengeance towards those devils that were told on being evil.

      What do you think?

      I think I stopped caring about any non-Walldians after the first few chapters of the Marley arc. You're confusing my hatred of Gabi and support of the new Eldian Empire for not understanding the themes or background of the series. I KNOW what Isayama is trying to preach. I KNOW Gabi is supposed to mirror Eren's side of the story and about the world they live in. 

      I just don't care. I. Don't. Care.

      Like I said before, the scenes of the Braus family showing compassion towards Gabi disgusted me, I thought I was going to vomit. The scene Isayama WANTED us to feel disgust for, the ones of Eren slaughtering Marleyan civilians? THAT was the scene that made me happy.

      I am fully aware of the "there is not just good or evil" crap Isayama is trying to write. But I have no compassion for anyone that defends Marley or anyone living under their name, including the Eldians who have become subservient to them, Warriors included.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Except Eren is NOT responsible for Sasha's death. Gabi is. She pulled the trigger, not Eren. And the SC officers blaming Eren for what Gabi did are fools.

      That aside, it's never a good sign when garbage characters are suddenly thrown into the spotlight the way Isayama is doing with Gabi when she has no positive character qualities to show for it.

      Well technically Eren is indirectly responsible

      In war, situations can be beyond our control. </div>

      Sorry, technical error.

      In war, situations can be beyond our control.

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    • Anyhow, I am quite surprised that no one hasn't realised that Gabi and Falco has disappeared from their cell yet. In chapter 109, I assumed that after Commander Hanji dealt with Floch and the new recruits who leaked information, she was going to check up on them. I wonder if they realised that the Kids are missing, or lost sense of their surroundings.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Except Eren is NOT responsible for Sasha's death. Gabi is. She pulled the trigger, not Eren. And the SC officers blaming Eren for what Gabi did are fools.

      That aside, it's never a good sign when garbage characters are suddenly thrown into the spotlight the way Isayama is doing with Gabi when she has no positive character qualities to show for it.

      Well technically Eren is indirectly responsible

      In war, situations can be beyond our control.

      Sorry, technical error.

      In war, situations can be beyond our control. </div> Thank you.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Except Eren is NOT responsible for Sasha's death. Gabi is. She pulled the trigger, not Eren. And the SC officers blaming Eren for what Gabi did are fools.

      That aside, it's never a good sign when garbage characters are suddenly thrown into the spotlight the way Isayama is doing with Gabi when she has no positive character qualities to show for it.

      Well technically Eren is indirectly responsible

      In war, situations can be beyond our control.

      Sorry, technical error.

      In war, situations can be beyond our control.

      Thank you. </div>

      You're welcome. No doubt Eren wanted to avoid harming civilians and was hoping that everyone, including Sasha would return alive.

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    • Warrior655 wrote: Anyhow, I am quite surprised that no one hasn't realised that Gabi and Falco has disappeared from their cell yet. In chapter 109, I assumed that after Commander Hanji dealt with Floch and the new recruits who leaked information, she was going to check up on them. I wonder if they realised that the Kids are missing, or lost sense of their surroundings.

      I suspect someone knows, but given the choice between worrying about a grave case of insubordination that has led to civil unrest and the escape of two pre-teen captives from another country, Hange and the rest of the military leadership are probably going to concentrate on the former. They may well be aware. It's just Gabi and Falco are not that important compared to everything else right now.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Except Eren is NOT responsible for Sasha's death. Gabi is. She pulled the trigger, not Eren. And the SC officers blaming Eren for what Gabi did are fools.

      That aside, it's never a good sign when garbage characters are suddenly thrown into the spotlight the way Isayama is doing with Gabi when she has no positive character qualities to show for it.

      Well technically Eren is indirectly responsible

      In war, situations can be beyond our control.

      Sorry, technical error.

      In war, situations can be beyond our control.

      Thank you.

      You're welcome. No doubt Eren wanted to avoid harming civilians and was hoping that everyone, including Sasha would return alive. </div> Well I don't know about that. Civilian casualties were inevitable. However even Connie was very doubtful that Eren didn't care and thought he was "smiling" when he heard about Sasha's death. Which I don't think he was.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Except Eren is NOT responsible for Sasha's death. Gabi is. She pulled the trigger, not Eren. And the SC officers blaming Eren for what Gabi did are fools.

      That aside, it's never a good sign when garbage characters are suddenly thrown into the spotlight the way Isayama is doing with Gabi when she has no positive character qualities to show for it.

      Well technically Eren is indirectly responsible

      In war, situations can be beyond our control.

      Sorry, technical error.

      In war, situations can be beyond our control.

      Thank you.

      You're welcome. No doubt Eren wanted to avoid harming civilians and was hoping that everyone, including Sasha would return alive.

      Well I don't know about that. Civilian casualties were inevitable. However even Connie was very doubtful that Eren didn't care and thought he was "smiling" when he heard about Sasha's death. Which I don't think he was. </div> Eren mostly had one of those hysterical laugh, or simply put it, laughing in pain. That sort of thing can occur within several people where they are laughing is in fact they're crying in pain. His mind may have been traumatised from loosing so many comrades in the past that he most likely suffering from acute case of PTSD.

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      Warrior655 wrote: Anyhow, I am quite surprised that no one hasn't realised that Gabi and Falco has disappeared from their cell yet. In chapter 109, I assumed that after Commander Hanji dealt with Floch and the new recruits who leaked information, she was going to check up on them. I wonder if they realised that the Kids are missing, or lost sense of their surroundings.

      I suspect someone knows, but given the choice between worrying about a grave case of insubordination that has led to civil unrest and the escape of two pre-teen captives from another country, Hange and the rest of the military leadership are probably going to concentrate on the former. They may well be aware. It's just Gabi and Falco are not that important compared to everything else right now.

      Which begs the question of why. Between disagreements on the direction of Walldian leadership and two Marleyan prisoners who are more or less their true enemy, the Marleyans escaping should be a bigger concern, regardless of their age.

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    • I don't see why a couple of escaped twelve years olds would be a greater concern than a civil uprising no matter what country they came from. Send some Military Police after them (the better ones, Kenny didn't build his squad out of nothing, there are good MPs out there).

      If they still lose Gabi and Falco, what happens? It's not like they saw any military secrets. Yeah, they probably could do some damage if they set their minds to it, but not nearly as much damage as if your own citizens turn against you.

      It's like do you worry about killing the termites when your house is burning down? If the country falls into chaos due to civil unrest it won't matter what Gabi and Falco are doing.

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    • RuneLai wrote: I don't see why a couple of escaped twelve years olds would be a greater concern than a civil uprising no matter what country they came from. Send some Military Police after them (the better ones, Kenny didn't build his squad out of nothing, there are good MPs out there).

      If they still lose Gabi and Falco, what happens? It's not like they saw any military secrets. Yeah, they probably could do some damage if they set their minds to it, but not nearly as much damage as if your own citizens turn against you.

      It's like do you worry about killing the termites when your house is burning down? If the country falls into chaos due to civil unrest it won't matter what Gabi and Falco are doing.

      Umm....they know that Zeke/beast titan is on the island. The paradise military/government wants to keep Zeke a secret from their civilians. If Gabi and Falco starts preaching for Zeke's whereabouts; thus revealing that the Beast Titan is back on Paradise towards civilians, all hell will break loose even further.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      RuneLai wrote: I don't see why a couple of escaped twelve years olds would be a greater concern than a civil uprising no matter what country they came from. Send some Military Police after them (the better ones, Kenny didn't build his squad out of nothing, there are good MPs out there).

      If they still lose Gabi and Falco, what happens? It's not like they saw any military secrets. Yeah, they probably could do some damage if they set their minds to it, but not nearly as much damage as if your own citizens turn against you.

      It's like do you worry about killing the termites when your house is burning down? If the country falls into chaos due to civil unrest it won't matter what Gabi and Falco are doing.

      Umm....they know that Zeke/beast titan is on the island. The paradise military/government wants to keep Zeke a secret from their civilians. If Gabi and Falco starts preaching for Zeke's whereabouts; thus revealing that the Beast Titan is back on Paradise towards civilians, all hell will break loose even further.

      I didn't even think about Zeke in that equation. Holy damn, what WOULD happen if they started asking random people about Zeke's whereabouts?

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    • It depends on what information the Survey Corps (or their rebellious soldiers) released. If Zeke's name and identity is unknown to the general populace, you'll probably get the same blank reaction as you would if you asked a random person IRL where Zeke Yeager is.

      None of the civilians screaming outside the military headquarters mention him, only Eren, so chances are nobody other than the SC, former or current, knows about Zeke. Which means randomly asking people would probably result in nothing in particular. And this may be intentional on the part of Eren's rebels as well, because they have their own plans.

      The only way I could see potentially critical damage from Gabi and Falco's escape happening is in the direction the series is already going. If Gabi and Falco get in contact with other Marleyans, they might be able to start something.

      We know Nicolo and others like him are on the island working as indentured (or low-paying) labor of some kind. Meeting the kids might be enough to spur the former Marleyan soldiers to take action when the military does not expect it, especially if the former soldiers have been behaving as though they've been mentally worn down over the past few years.

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    • RuneLai wrote: It depends on what information the Survey Corps (or their rebellious soldiers) released. If Zeke's name and identity is unknown to the general populace, you'll probably get the same blank reaction as you would if you asked a random person IRL where Zeke Yeager is.

      None of the civilians screaming outside the military headquarters mention him, only Eren, so chances are nobody other than the SC, former or current, knows about Zeke. Which means randomly asking people would probably result in nothing in particular. And this may be intentional on the part of Eren's rebels as well, because they have their own plans.

      The only way I could see potentially critical damage from Gabi and Falco's escape happening is in the direction the series is already going. If Gabi and Falco get in contact with other Marleyans, they might be able to start something.

      We know Nicolo and others like him are on the island working as indentured (or low-paying) labor of some kind. Meeting the kids might be enough to spur the former Marleyan soldiers to take action when the military does not expect it, especially if the former soldiers have been behaving as though they've been mentally worn down over the past few years.

      Never thought of that myself. Perhaps within the next chapter, we will have Gabi and Falco, including Kaya meeting the Marleyans. Who knows, things might turn out good or bad, but it will be interesting.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      RuneLai wrote: I don't see why a couple of escaped twelve years olds would be a greater concern than a civil uprising no matter what country they came from. Send some Military Police after them (the better ones, Kenny didn't build his squad out of nothing, there are good MPs out there).

      If they still lose Gabi and Falco, what happens? It's not like they saw any military secrets. Yeah, they probably could do some damage if they set their minds to it, but not nearly as much damage as if your own citizens turn against you.

      It's like do you worry about killing the termites when your house is burning down? If the country falls into chaos due to civil unrest it won't matter what Gabi and Falco are doing.

      Umm....they know that Zeke/beast titan is on the island. The paradise military/government wants to keep Zeke a secret from their civilians. If Gabi and Falco starts preaching for Zeke's whereabouts; thus revealing that the Beast Titan is back on Paradise towards civilians, all hell will break loose even further.

      I didn't even think about Zeke in that equation. Holy damn, what WOULD happen if they started asking random people about Zeke's whereabouts?

      Yes, it'll first starts about the name Zeke Yeager. But, once the name is connected towards beast titan, ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE. After all, the paradise civilians will freak out if they have learn that this particular enemy, which turns people into titans has return. Worse of all, that their military/government is working with Zeke Yeager in secret.

      That's called 'pouring gasoline over a already burning fire'.

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    • Here is another possibility on how the civilians will find out about Zeke Yeager/Beast Titan - From Marley Warriors. As we just saw Pieck at the end of Chapter 110; reading the newspaper. I could've imagined that they will find out the paradise civilians are against their military/government by looking around. They probably would use this opportunity on exposing the civilians about the alliance between Zeke Yeager and paradise military/government; by masquerading as ordinary civilians who heard rumours about such a thing.

      "Come to our house and attack it...we're coming to yours on returning a favour" - Marley Warriors.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:
      Here is another possibility on how the civilians will find out about Zeke Yeager/Beast Titan - From Marley Warriors. As we just saw Pieck at the end of Chapter 110; reading the newspaper. I could've imagined that they will find out the paradise civilians are against their military/government by looking around. They probably would use this opportunity on exposing the civilians about the alliance between Zeke Yeager and paradise military/government; by masquerading as ordinary civilians who heard rumours about such a thing.

      "Come to our house and attack it...we're coming to yours on returning a favour" - Marley Warriors.

      Either way, even if the SC and Military Brigade get screwed by public backlash, Zeke himself will probably be fine...the only reason he lost during the invasion on Liberio was because it was part of their master plan. If he tries to win for real, I have no doubt he would, and if he truly is playing both sides against each other for his own end goals, he could easily dispose of Pieck and whoever else she may have brought with her.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:
      Here is another possibility on how the civilians will find out about Zeke Yeager/Beast Titan - From Marley Warriors. As we just saw Pieck at the end of Chapter 110; reading the newspaper. I could've imagined that they will find out the paradise civilians are against their military/government by looking around. They probably would use this opportunity on exposing the civilians about the alliance between Zeke Yeager and paradise military/government; by masquerading as ordinary civilians who heard rumours about such a thing.

      "Come to our house and attack it...we're coming to yours on returning a favour" - Marley Warriors.

      Either way, even if the SC and Military Brigade get screwed by public backlash, Zeke himself will probably be fine...the only reason he lost during the invasion on Liberio was because it was part of their master plan. If he tries to win for real, I have no doubt he would, and if he truly is playing both sides against each other for his own end goals, he could easily dispose of Pieck and whoever else she may have brought with her.

      All according to Keikaku

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:
      Here is another possibility on how the civilians will find out about Zeke Yeager/Beast Titan - From Marley Warriors. As we just saw Pieck at the end of Chapter 110; reading the newspaper. I could've imagined that they will find out the paradise civilians are against their military/government by looking around. They probably would use this opportunity on exposing the civilians about the alliance between Zeke Yeager and paradise military/government; by masquerading as ordinary civilians who heard rumours about such a thing.

      "Come to our house and attack it...we're coming to yours on returning a favour" - Marley Warriors.

      Either way, even if the SC and Military Brigade get screwed by public backlash, Zeke himself will probably be fine...the only reason he lost during the invasion on Liberio was because it was part of their master plan. If he tries to win for real, I have no doubt he would, and if he truly is playing both sides against each other for his own end goals, he could easily dispose of Pieck and whoever else she may have brought with her.

      Yes, Zeke is probably playing both sides in order on getting to Eren Yeager, not because of his Founding titan powers, but they are blood related and has Daddy Issues.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:
      Here is another possibility on how the civilians will find out about Zeke Yeager/Beast Titan - From Marley Warriors. As we just saw Pieck at the end of Chapter 110; reading the newspaper. I could've imagined that they will find out the paradise civilians are against their military/government by looking around. They probably would use this opportunity on exposing the civilians about the alliance between Zeke Yeager and paradise military/government; by masquerading as ordinary civilians who heard rumours about such a thing.

      "Come to our house and attack it...we're coming to yours on returning a favour" - Marley Warriors.

      Either way, even if the SC and Military Brigade get screwed by public backlash, Zeke himself will probably be fine...the only reason he lost during the invasion on Liberio was because it was part of their master plan. If he tries to win for real, I have no doubt he would, and if he truly is playing both sides against each other for his own end goals, he could easily dispose of Pieck and whoever else she may have brought with her.

      Yes, Zeke is probably playing both sides in order on getting to Eren Yeager, not because of his Founding titan powers, but they are blood related and has Daddy Issues.

      Well he definitely wants Eren see his point of view and they want to rule together as brothers.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:
      Here is another possibility on how the civilians will find out about Zeke Yeager/Beast Titan - From Marley Warriors. As we just saw Pieck at the end of Chapter 110; reading the newspaper. I could've imagined that they will find out the paradise civilians are against their military/government by looking around. They probably would use this opportunity on exposing the civilians about the alliance between Zeke Yeager and paradise military/government; by masquerading as ordinary civilians who heard rumours about such a thing.

      "Come to our house and attack it...we're coming to yours on returning a favour" - Marley Warriors.

      Either way, even if the SC and Military Brigade get screwed by public backlash, Zeke himself will probably be fine...the only reason he lost during the invasion on Liberio was because it was part of their master plan. If he tries to win for real, I have no doubt he would, and if he truly is playing both sides against each other for his own end goals, he could easily dispose of Pieck and whoever else she may have brought with her.

      Yes, Zeke is probably playing both sides in order on getting to Eren Yeager, not because of his Founding titan powers, but they are blood related and has Daddy Issues.

      Well he definitely wants Eren see his point of view and they want to rule together as brothers.

      That's a possibility, after all Zeke believes that their Father is wrong. Plus, in chapter 110, Yelena did said to Pixies that "the world will be reborn thanks to the brothers".

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    • Warrior655 wrote: Here is another possibility on how the civilians will "Come to our house and attack it...we're coming to yours on returning a favour" - Marley Warriors.

      Weren't they the first ones to come to their house and attack them? Eren's attack at Marley was more a return favor, and as one of those guys said, they did it worse, since the Eldians were being eaten alive.

      So, this would go like for the Eldians as a reply "Seriously?"

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    • BlazeRelease wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote: Here is another possibility on how the civilians will "Come to our house and attack it...we're coming to yours on returning a favour" - Marley Warriors.

      Weren't they the first ones to come to their house and attack them? Eren's attack at Marley was more a return favor, and as one of those guys said, they did it worse, since the Eldians were being eaten alive.

      So, this would go like for the Eldians as a reply "Seriously?"

      True, but the warriors did so under orders. We aren't sure about Eren's true reason, other then the possibility on wanting Zeke Yeager and/or Warhammer Titans' powers.

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    • Yeah, but the Warriors did on the orders of Marley. The Marley been sending pure Titans long before that. And they actually were plotting for a major war on Eldia, like uniting every other country against them. While it was Willy's plan to use the attack as a motivation for the countries to attack them, it also brought fear to everyone. Not the fear of destroying them before they come, I believe, the fear of not messing with them. If they could easily slip through a top class country, act as one of them, and initiate an attack infront of all the worlf leaders and defeat the War Hammer Titan in their own area, with all their man around. They literally won twice. In Eldia, they got the Female and Colossus Titan. In Marley, they got the War Hammer and Beast Titan. Marley should have just went for a peaceful allience.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:
      Here is another possibility on how the civilians will find out about Zeke Yeager/Beast Titan - From Marley Warriors. As we just saw Pieck at the end of Chapter 110; reading the newspaper. I could've imagined that they will find out the paradise civilians are against their military/government by looking around. They probably would use this opportunity on exposing the civilians about the alliance between Zeke Yeager and paradise military/government; by masquerading as ordinary civilians who heard rumours about such a thing.

      "Come to our house and attack it...we're coming to yours on returning a favour" - Marley Warriors.

      Either way, even if the SC and Military Brigade get screwed by public backlash, Zeke himself will probably be fine...the only reason he lost during the invasion on Liberio was because it was part of their master plan. If he tries to win for real, I have no doubt he would, and if he truly is playing both sides against each other for his own end goals, he could easily dispose of Pieck and whoever else she may have brought with her.
      Yes, Zeke is probably playing both sides in order on getting to Eren Yeager, not because of his Founding titan powers, but they are blood related and has Daddy Issues.
      Well he definitely wants Eren see his point of view and they want to rule together as brothers.

      "Join me, Eren, and together, we can rule Marley"

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: Yeah, but the Warriors did on the orders of Marley. The Marley been sending pure Titans long before that. And they actually were plotting for a major war on Eldia, like uniting every other country against them. While it was Willy's plan to use the attack as a motivation for the countries to attack them, it also brought fear to everyone. Not the fear of destroying them before they come, I believe, the fear of not messing with them. If they could easily slip through a top class country, act as one of them, and initiate an attack infront of all the worlf leaders and defeat the War Hammer Titan in their own area, with all their man around. They literally won twice. In Eldia, they got the Female and Colossus Titan. In Marley, they got the War Hammer and Beast Titan. Marley should have just went for a peaceful allience.

      True, but politicians don't tend to think like we do. They tend to think it is a popularity contest between them, who has the bigger guns and so forth.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:
      Here is another possibility on how the civilians will find out about Zeke Yeager/Beast Titan - From Marley Warriors. As we just saw Pieck at the end of Chapter 110; reading the newspaper. I could've imagined that they will find out the paradise civilians are against their military/government by looking around. They probably would use this opportunity on exposing the civilians about the alliance between Zeke Yeager and paradise military/government; by masquerading as ordinary civilians who heard rumours about such a thing.

      "Come to our house and attack it...we're coming to yours on returning a favour" - Marley Warriors.

      Either way, even if the SC and Military Brigade get screwed by public backlash, Zeke himself will probably be fine...the only reason he lost during the invasion on Liberio was because it was part of their master plan. If he tries to win for real, I have no doubt he would, and if he truly is playing both sides against each other for his own end goals, he could easily dispose of Pieck and whoever else she may have brought with her.
      Yes, Zeke is probably playing both sides in order on getting to Eren Yeager, not because of his Founding titan powers, but they are blood related and has Daddy Issues.
      Well he definitely wants Eren see his point of view and they want to rule together as brothers.

      "Join me, Eren, and together, we can rule Marley"

      Marley, Eldia and the world probably. Eren is more interested in protecting his friends and paradise then global conquest, unless it is true in chapter 110 that he's brainwashed by Zeke. That is a scary thought.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:


      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      Warrior655 wrote:
      Here is another possibility on how the civilians will find out about Zeke Yeager/Beast Titan - From Marley Warriors. As we just saw Pieck at the end of Chapter 110; reading the newspaper. I could've imagined that they will find out the paradise civilians are against their military/government by looking around. They probably would use this opportunity on exposing the civilians about the alliance between Zeke Yeager and paradise military/government; by masquerading as ordinary civilians who heard rumours about such a thing.

      "Come to our house and attack it...we're coming to yours on returning a favour" - Marley Warriors.

      Either way, even if the SC and Military Brigade get screwed by public backlash, Zeke himself will probably be fine...the only reason he lost during the invasion on Liberio was because it was part of their master plan. If he tries to win for real, I have no doubt he would, and if he truly is playing both sides against each other for his own end goals, he could easily dispose of Pieck and whoever else she may have brought with her.
      Yes, Zeke is probably playing both sides in order on getting to Eren Yeager, not because of his Founding titan powers, but they are blood related and has Daddy Issues.
      Well he definitely wants Eren see his point of view and they want to rule together as brothers.
      "Join me, Eren, and together, we can rule Marley"
      Marley, Eldia and the world probably. Eren is more interested in protecting his friends and paradise then global conquest, unless it is true in chapter 110 that he's brainwashed by Zeke. That is a scary thought.

      I don't believe Zeke is brainwashing him, but if Eren Yeager is being influenced by a third party, my money's on Eren KRUGER, or at least one of the previous Attack Titan inheritors. Or maybe even the Founding Titan, who knows?

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      BlazeRelease wrote: Yeah, but the Warriors did on the orders of Marley. The Marley been sending pure Titans long before that. And they actually were plotting for a major war on Eldia, like uniting every other country against them. While it was Willy's plan to use the attack as a motivation for the countries to attack them, it also brought fear to everyone. Not the fear of destroying them before they come, I believe, the fear of not messing with them. If they could easily slip through a top class country, act as one of them, and initiate an attack infront of all the worlf leaders and defeat the War Hammer Titan in their own area, with all their man around. They literally won twice. In Eldia, they got the Female and Colossus Titan. In Marley, they got the War Hammer and Beast Titan. Marley should have just went for a peaceful allience.

      True, but politicians don't tend to think like we do. They tend to think it is a popularity contest between them, who has the bigger guns and so forth.

      Kind of like our world today huh?

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      "Join me, Eren, and together, we can rule Marley"

      Nice Star Wars reference. 👍

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:


      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      Warrior655 wrote:
      Here is another possibility on how the civilians will find out about Zeke Yeager/Beast Titan - From Marley Warriors. As we just saw Pieck at the end of Chapter 110; reading the newspaper. I could've imagined that they will find out the paradise civilians are against their military/government by looking around. They probably would use this opportunity on exposing the civilians about the alliance between Zeke Yeager and paradise military/government; by masquerading as ordinary civilians who heard rumours about such a thing.

      "Come to our house and attack it...we're coming to yours on returning a favour" - Marley Warriors.

      Either way, even if the SC and Military Brigade get screwed by public backlash, Zeke himself will probably be fine...the only reason he lost during the invasion on Liberio was because it was part of their master plan. If he tries to win for real, I have no doubt he would, and if he truly is playing both sides against each other for his own end goals, he could easily dispose of Pieck and whoever else she may have brought with her.
      Yes, Zeke is probably playing both sides in order on getting to Eren Yeager, not because of his Founding titan powers, but they are blood related and has Daddy Issues.
      Well he definitely wants Eren see his point of view and they want to rule together as brothers.
      "Join me, Eren, and together, we can rule Marley"
      Marley, Eldia and the world probably. Eren is more interested in protecting his friends and paradise then global conquest, unless it is true in chapter 110 that he's brainwashed by Zeke. That is a scary thought.

      I don't believe Zeke is brainwashing him, but if Eren Yeager is being influenced by a third party, my money's on Eren KRUGER, or at least one of the previous Attack Titan inheritors. Or maybe even the Founding Titan, who knows?

      True, or perhaps there are other reasons towards his rebellious nature. One or more previous Attack titan inheritors could be causing this yes. Perhaps someone may have been ordering him to rebel for a reason, like this rebellion could've been formed/planned before he entered into Marley. He could be behaving like a commander following orders from a hidden General/Leader that no one knows yet.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      BlazeRelease wrote: Yeah, but the Warriors did on the orders of Marley. The Marley been sending pure Titans long before that. And they actually were plotting for a major war on Eldia, like uniting every other country against them. While it was Willy's plan to use the attack as a motivation for the countries to attack them, it also brought fear to everyone. Not the fear of destroying them before they come, I believe, the fear of not messing with them. If they could easily slip through a top class country, act as one of them, and initiate an attack infront of all the worlf leaders and defeat the War Hammer Titan in their own area, with all their man around. They literally won twice. In Eldia, they got the Female and Colossus Titan. In Marley, they got the War Hammer and Beast Titan. Marley should have just went for a peaceful allience.

      True, but politicians don't tend to think like we do. They tend to think it is a popularity contest between them, who has the bigger guns and so forth.

      Kind of like our world today huh?

      Pretty much.

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    • Yes, that's true. But in the end, an allience between Edlia and Marley would have been better. Since they are aware that Eldian King has already swore to never use his titans. And the fact that atleast most of the Marley officials know that Eldians aren't exacy any different. Quite some of them use it as an excuse to treat their sadistic games. But considering how each Eldian soldier is praticed in speed and agility and quick thought process as well as stamina, and act upon scary and one sided situations such as against Titans, even alone. They make better soldier ten times better than any other. And I'm not even talking about about the Survey Corps members.

      But you know, since this is AOT. I wish there would be some kind of a regret scene about starting this war. Like, some high ranking Marley official suggesting a peace treaty to Eldia before they send their warriors or titans, or after the whole War Declaration. And they obviosly got/will be rejected. But it will be remembered just when Marley feels like it's starting to lose. I feel a character worthy of that position would be that Marley Commander/General, he seems to be quite understanding and even sympathetic to Eldians too. He seems to be the guy who values life equally, whether Eldian or Marleyan. But you know, I wonder how they'll do their War. For now, Edlia isn't just gonna face their own Eldians or Titans anymore. Their gonna face a whole world of army, coming right at their walls.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: Yes, that's true. But in the end, an allience between Edlia and Marley would have been better. Since they are aware that Eldian King has already swore to never use his titans. And the fact that atleast most of the Marley officials know that Eldians aren't exacy any different. Quite some of them use it as an excuse to treat their sadistic games. But considering how each Eldian soldier is praticed in speed and agility and quick thought process as well as stamina, and act upon scary and one sided situations such as against Titans, even alone. They make better soldier ten times better than any other. And I'm not even talking about about the Survey Corps members.

      But you know, since this is AOT. I wish there would be some kind of a regret scene about starting this war. Like, some high ranking Marley official suggesting a peace treaty to Eldia before they send their warriors or titans, or after the whole War Declaration. And they obviosly got/will be rejected. But it will be remembered just when Marley feels like it's starting to lose. I feel a character worthy of that position would be that Marley Commander/General, he seems to be quite understanding and even sympathetic to Eldians too. He seems to be the guy who values life equally, whether Eldian or Marleyan. But you know, I wonder how they'll do their War. For now, Edlia isn't just gonna face their own Eldians or Titans anymore. Their gonna face a whole world of army, coming right at their walls.

      Well maybe they will come face to their own actions and realized everything they been fighting for is wrong.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: Yes, that's true. But in the end, an allience between Edlia and Marley would have been better. Since they are aware that Eldian King has already swore to never use his titans. And the fact that atleast most of the Marley officials know that Eldians aren't exacy any different. Quite some of them use it as an excuse to treat their sadistic games. But considering how each Eldian soldier is praticed in speed and agility and quick thought process as well as stamina, and act upon scary and one sided situations such as against Titans, even alone. They make better soldier ten times better than any other. And I'm not even talking about about the Survey Corps members.

      But you know, since this is AOT. I wish there would be some kind of a regret scene about starting this war. Like, some high ranking Marley official suggesting a peace treaty to Eldia before they send their warriors or titans, or after the whole War Declaration. And they obviosly got/will be rejected. But it will be remembered just when Marley feels like it's starting to lose. I feel a character worthy of that position would be that Marley Commander/General, he seems to be quite understanding and even sympathetic to Eldians too. He seems to be the guy who values life equally, whether Eldian or Marleyan. But you know, I wonder how they'll do their War. For now, Edlia isn't just gonna face their own Eldians or Titans anymore. Their gonna face a whole world of army, coming right at their walls.

      Yes, that is possibly the best way towards peace. However, higher ups/politician don't tend to have that forward thinking. After all, the military/politicians in paradise are thinking about that 50 year plan, and they're still no doubt going ahead with it despite any protest or rebellion.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      BlazeRelease wrote: Yes, that's true. But in the end, an allience between Edlia and Marley would have been better. Since they are aware that Eldian King has already swore to never use his titans. And the fact that atleast most of the Marley officials know that Eldians aren't exacy any different. Quite some of them use it as an excuse to treat their sadistic games. But considering how each Eldian soldier is praticed in speed and agility and quick thought process as well as stamina, and act upon scary and one sided situations such as against Titans, even alone. They make better soldier ten times better than any other. And I'm not even talking about about the Survey Corps members.

      But you know, since this is AOT. I wish there would be some kind of a regret scene about starting this war. Like, some high ranking Marley official suggesting a peace treaty to Eldia before they send their warriors or titans, or after the whole War Declaration. And they obviosly got/will be rejected. But it will be remembered just when Marley feels like it's starting to lose. I feel a character worthy of that position would be that Marley Commander/General, he seems to be quite understanding and even sympathetic to Eldians too. He seems to be the guy who values life equally, whether Eldian or Marleyan. But you know, I wonder how they'll do their War. For now, Edlia isn't just gonna face their own Eldians or Titans anymore. Their gonna face a whole world of army, coming right at their walls.

      Yes, that is possibly the best way towards peace. However, higher ups/politician don't tend to have that forward thinking. After all, the military/politicians in paradise are thinking about that 50 year plan, and they're still no doubt going ahead with it despite any protest or rebellion.

      True but if this battle is anything else it maybe swing otherwise.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      "Join me, Eren, and together, we can rule Marley"

      Nice Star Wars reference. 👍

      Yeah lol almost any anime/manga can have a Star Wars reference, no matter how vague

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    • BlazeRelease wrote:
      Yes, that's true. But in the end, an allience between Edlia and Marley would have been better. Since they are aware that Eldian King has already swore to never use his titans. And the fact that atleast most of the Marley officials know that Eldians aren't exacy any different. Quite some of them use it as an excuse to treat their sadistic games. But considering how each Eldian soldier is praticed in speed and agility and quick thought process as well as stamina, and act upon scary and one sided situations such as against Titans, even alone. They make better soldier ten times better than any other. And I'm not even talking about about the Survey Corps members.

      But you know, since this is AOT. I wish there would be some kind of a regret scene about starting this war. Like, some high ranking Marley official suggesting a peace treaty to Eldia before they send their warriors or titans, or after the whole War Declaration. And they obviosly got/will be rejected. But it will be remembered just when Marley feels like it's starting to lose. I feel a character worthy of that position would be that Marley Commander/General, he seems to be quite understanding and even sympathetic to Eldians too. He seems to be the guy who values life equally, whether Eldian or Marleyan. But you know, I wonder how they'll do their War. For now, Edlia isn't just gonna face their own Eldians or Titans anymore. Their gonna face a whole world of army, coming right at their walls.

      All the more reason Eren needs to activate the rumbling ASAP. Wiping out the rest of the world is their only option of surviving.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      BlazeRelease wrote: Yes, that's true. But in the end, an allience between Edlia and Marley would have been better. Since they are aware that Eldian King has already swore to never use his titans. And the fact that atleast most of the Marley officials know that Eldians aren't exacy any different. Quite some of them use it as an excuse to treat their sadistic games. But considering how each Eldian soldier is praticed in speed and agility and quick thought process as well as stamina, and act upon scary and one sided situations such as against Titans, even alone. They make better soldier ten times better than any other. And I'm not even talking about about the Survey Corps members.

      But you know, since this is AOT. I wish there would be some kind of a regret scene about starting this war. Like, some high ranking Marley official suggesting a peace treaty to Eldia before they send their warriors or titans, or after the whole War Declaration. And they obviosly got/will be rejected. But it will be remembered just when Marley feels like it's starting to lose. I feel a character worthy of that position would be that Marley Commander/General, he seems to be quite understanding and even sympathetic to Eldians too. He seems to be the guy who values life equally, whether Eldian or Marleyan. But you know, I wonder how they'll do their War. For now, Edlia isn't just gonna face their own Eldians or Titans anymore. Their gonna face a whole world of army, coming right at their walls.

      Yes, that is possibly the best way towards peace. However, higher ups/politician don't tend to have that forward thinking. After all, the military/politicians in paradise are thinking about that 50 year plan, and they're still no doubt going ahead with it despite any protest or rebellion.

      True but if this battle is anything else it maybe swing otherwise.

      It could. However, a alliance would naturally occur when someone has something that the other doesn't. Look at Huzuru, the only reason that Kiyomi is willing is because Paradise has resources like those Iceburst stones/crystals.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      "Join me, Eren, and together, we can rule Marley"

      Nice Star Wars reference. 👍

      Yeah lol almost any anime/manga can have a Star Wars reference, no matter how vague

      So goddamn true.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      BlazeRelease wrote: Yes, that's true. But in the end, an allience between Edlia and Marley would have been better. Since they are aware that Eldian King has already swore to never use his titans. And the fact that atleast most of the Marley officials know that Eldians aren't exacy any different. Quite some of them use it as an excuse to treat their sadistic games. But considering how each Eldian soldier is praticed in speed and agility and quick thought process as well as stamina, and act upon scary and one sided situations such as against Titans, even alone. They make better soldier ten times better than any other. And I'm not even talking about about the Survey Corps members.

      But you know, since this is AOT. I wish there would be some kind of a regret scene about starting this war. Like, some high ranking Marley official suggesting a peace treaty to Eldia before they send their warriors or titans, or after the whole War Declaration. And they obviosly got/will be rejected. But it will be remembered just when Marley feels like it's starting to lose. I feel a character worthy of that position would be that Marley Commander/General, he seems to be quite understanding and even sympathetic to Eldians too. He seems to be the guy who values life equally, whether Eldian or Marleyan. But you know, I wonder how they'll do their War. For now, Edlia isn't just gonna face their own Eldians or Titans anymore. Their gonna face a whole world of army, coming right at their walls.

      Yes, that is possibly the best way towards peace. However, higher ups/politician don't tend to have that forward thinking. After all, the military/politicians in paradise are thinking about that 50 year plan, and they're still no doubt going ahead with it despite any protest or rebellion.

      True but if this battle is anything else it maybe swing otherwise.

      It could. However, a alliance would naturally occur when someone has something that the other doesn't. Look at Huzuru, the only reason that Kiyomi is willing is because Paradise has resources like those Iceburst stones/crystals.

      Of course, alliances is built upon not only trust but also a freak ton of resources.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      BlazeRelease wrote: Yes, that's true. But in the end, an allience between Edlia and Marley would have been better. Since they are aware that Eldian King has already swore to never use his titans. And the fact that atleast most of the Marley officials know that Eldians aren't exacy any different. Quite some of them use it as an excuse to treat their sadistic games. But considering how each Eldian soldier is praticed in speed and agility and quick thought process as well as stamina, and act upon scary and one sided situations such as against Titans, even alone. They make better soldier ten times better than any other. And I'm not even talking about about the Survey Corps members.

      But you know, since this is AOT. I wish there would be some kind of a regret scene about starting this war. Like, some high ranking Marley official suggesting a peace treaty to Eldia before they send their warriors or titans, or after the whole War Declaration. And they obviosly got/will be rejected. But it will be remembered just when Marley feels like it's starting to lose. I feel a character worthy of that position would be that Marley Commander/General, he seems to be quite understanding and even sympathetic to Eldians too. He seems to be the guy who values life equally, whether Eldian or Marleyan. But you know, I wonder how they'll do their War. For now, Edlia isn't just gonna face their own Eldians or Titans anymore. Their gonna face a whole world of army, coming right at their walls.

      Yes, that is possibly the best way towards peace. However, higher ups/politician don't tend to have that forward thinking. After all, the military/politicians in paradise are thinking about that 50 year plan, and they're still no doubt going ahead with it despite any protest or rebellion.

      True but if this battle is anything else it maybe swing otherwise.

      It could. However, a alliance would naturally occur when someone has something that the other doesn't. Look at Huzuru, the only reason that Kiyomi is willing is because Paradise has resources like those Iceburst stones/crystals.

      Of course, alliances is built upon not only trust but also a freak ton of resources.

      Yes, and as we have witnessed lately within Attack on Titan chapters. Hizuru isn't willing allow other nations to get a hold on Paradise resources. Within Chapter 108, Commander Hanji said towards the Levi squad that Hizuru is trying to keep paradise resources all to themselves, despite them (paradise) wanting more allies for protection.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      BlazeRelease wrote: Yes, that's true. But in the end, an allience between Edlia and Marley would have been better. Since they are aware that Eldian King has already swore to never use his titans. And the fact that atleast most of the Marley officials know that Eldians aren't exacy any different. Quite some of them use it as an excuse to treat their sadistic games. But considering how each Eldian soldier is praticed in speed and agility and quick thought process as well as stamina, and act upon scary and one sided situations such as against Titans, even alone. They make better soldier ten times better than any other. And I'm not even talking about about the Survey Corps members.

      But you know, since this is AOT. I wish there would be some kind of a regret scene about starting this war. Like, some high ranking Marley official suggesting a peace treaty to Eldia before they send their warriors or titans, or after the whole War Declaration. And they obviosly got/will be rejected. But it will be remembered just when Marley feels like it's starting to lose. I feel a character worthy of that position would be that Marley Commander/General, he seems to be quite understanding and even sympathetic to Eldians too. He seems to be the guy who values life equally, whether Eldian or Marleyan. But you know, I wonder how they'll do their War. For now, Edlia isn't just gonna face their own Eldians or Titans anymore. Their gonna face a whole world of army, coming right at their walls.

      Yes, that is possibly the best way towards peace. However, higher ups/politician don't tend to have that forward thinking. After all, the military/politicians in paradise are thinking about that 50 year plan, and they're still no doubt going ahead with it despite any protest or rebellion.

      True but if this battle is anything else it maybe swing otherwise.

      It could. However, a alliance would naturally occur when someone has something that the other doesn't. Look at Huzuru, the only reason that Kiyomi is willing is because Paradise has resources like those Iceburst stones/crystals.

      Of course, alliances is built upon not only trust but also a freak ton of resources.

      Yes, and as we have witnessed lately within Attack on Titan chapters. Hizuru isn't willing allow other nations to get a hold on Paradise resources. Within Chapter 108, Commander Hanji said towards the Levi squad that Hizuru is trying to keep paradise resources all to themselves, despite them (paradise) wanting more allies for protection.

      You honestly can't trust no one. Unless you have some leverage.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Warrior655 wrote:

      BlazeRelease wrote: Yes, that's true. But in the end, an allience between Edlia and Marley would have been better. Since they are aware that Eldian King has already swore to never use his titans. And the fact that atleast most of the Marley officials know that Eldians aren't exacy any different. Quite some of them use it as an excuse to treat their sadistic games. But considering how each Eldian soldier is praticed in speed and agility and quick thought process as well as stamina, and act upon scary and one sided situations such as against Titans, even alone. They make better soldier ten times better than any other. And I'm not even talking about about the Survey Corps members.

      But you know, since this is AOT. I wish there would be some kind of a regret scene about starting this war. Like, some high ranking Marley official suggesting a peace treaty to Eldia before they send their warriors or titans, or after the whole War Declaration. And they obviosly got/will be rejected. But it will be remembered just when Marley feels like it's starting to lose. I feel a character worthy of that position would be that Marley Commander/General, he seems to be quite understanding and even sympathetic to Eldians too. He seems to be the guy who values life equally, whether Eldian or Marleyan. But you know, I wonder how they'll do their War. For now, Edlia isn't just gonna face their own Eldians or Titans anymore. Their gonna face a whole world of army, coming right at their walls.

      Yes, that is possibly the best way towards peace. However, higher ups/politician don't tend to have that forward thinking. After all, the military/politicians in paradise are thinking about that 50 year plan, and they're still no doubt going ahead with it despite any protest or rebellion.

      True but if this battle is anything else it maybe swing otherwise.

      It could. However, a alliance would naturally occur when someone has something that the other doesn't. Look at Huzuru, the only reason that Kiyomi is willing is because Paradise has resources like those Iceburst stones/crystals.

      Of course, alliances is built upon not only trust but also a freak ton of resources.

      Yes, and as we have witnessed lately within Attack on Titan chapters. Hizuru isn't willing allow other nations to get a hold on Paradise resources. Within Chapter 108, Commander Hanji said towards the Levi squad that Hizuru is trying to keep paradise resources all to themselves, despite them (paradise) wanting more allies for protection.

      You honestly can't trust no one. Unless you have some leverage.

      Yep.

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