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    • Well, nice to have the answer for all the wine theories, but that was a chapter below the others. Isayama who did some thrilling scenes in the previous arcs and now we have this... 'rematch'. Zero tension, predictable outcome, a dilemma that could have been interesting with another character than Levi. We got it, he's awesome. 

      And that scene with the trainees was kind of frightening. I felt so bad for Shadis, and Floch somehow got the bronze medal for jerks to me. But that was a better moment than the entire fight in the forest.

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    • Okay well I like the fact we got progress on the wine thing. However there a couple of negatives, for one thing not much progression on Eren or anything other major characters as we are still in the dark about them. Although Floch is really working hard up the ranks in becoming the next "Yelena" or "Traute" (like they were to Zeke & Kenny, respectively). He is definitely gonna be a major obstacle and I like it but I would like to see him get the shit pound out of him soon. The rest felt very filler-ish and not much to go on. However there is two new developments I liked, one being the whole World is converging on a massive assault on Paradis Island & we might finally get some insight on Zeke's past and what kind of character/person is he.

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    • Isayama: "WHOA GUYS, CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT PIXIS, ANKA, FALCO, AND NILE ALL DRANK THE WINE?!"
      Fans: "WHAT?! NO WAY, THEY'RE ALL TURNING INTO TITANS?!"
      Isayama: "LOL, no. Why would they turn into Titans?"
      Fans: "Uh..."

      That's basically how I feel right now. So, Levi's not dead. I knew he wouldn't die, but it doesn't change the fact that having to watch him fight his way through ~25 Titans was still an almost comically bad scene. I'm glad we've finally settled the debate of whether or not Isayama has the spine to kill Levi (at least until the next cliffhanger).

      Remember when Floch was just a brutally honest guy who wanted what was best for his comrades? He looked at situations objectively and made unbiased calls on what would be the most beneficial move to make? Remember how he didn't get up in Armin's face and taunt him, and tell him that he was a waste of space who should have been left to die? All he said was that he felt Armin was the wrong person to save, and that Eren allowed his friendship with Armin to cloud his judgment. Well Isayama doesn't. Now Floch is just a little goon who agrees to allow soldiers to be turned into Titans on Paradis (potentially endangering the populace), mocks Hange for being concerned about said plan, and bullies teenagers into beating up a defenseless (possibly bordering on elderly) man.

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    • Now THAT was a hell of a chapter

      Pros:

      -Zeke vs. Levi rematch. A real one, not the staged performance they put on at Marley. And boy, was it a detailed fight to boot.

      -Getting into Levi's mindset when yet again killing more of his comrades post-transformation.

      -More wine theory stuff confirmed, still wanna know more details of how it works since apparently they don't always go stiff before transforming

      -Falco appeared....WITHOUT Gabi! After constantly covering her ass time and time again, Cinnaboi has a chance to grow away from that toxic psychopathic POS and be more than just a heroic meat shield for his murder crush! Speaking of which...

      -FINALLY a chapter WITHOUT Gabi! I needed that so much, I have never felt such negativity from a single individual in my life!

      -The Yeagerists seem to be growing in power. They're certainly controversial, but since Armin and Hange's brand of diplomacy is going to get them all killed, the Yeagerists are the real heroes since they fully intend to let Eren do whatever he needs to do to keep the Walldians safe. 

      -Floch. I'm glad we're getting somewhat of a logical outlook from him. It's not just blind loyalty to Eren, he truly understands they have to fight fire with fire (which he took literally back in Marley lol xD) if they want to survive against their enemies

      -As much as I like Zeke, it was nice Levi got some justice for his fallen friends. At least the ones that fell at Zeke's hands/paw/arm thingies. Now he just needs to kick the tar out of Annie the same way and the ones she killed will receive justice as well.

      Cons:

      -Keith Shadis getting his ass kicked. Especially since he was like 'these pipsqueaks are no match for me'. I guess it was metaphorical for the whole 'old era' kind of thing, but there are other Walldian characters Floch can take his anger out on that wouldn't have upset me (*cough* Mikasa *cough*) or even entertain me (*cough* Papa Blouse *cough*)

      -I thought Mikasa and Armin were going with Eren to Shinsengama for some unspeakable truth. Why are they in prison with everyone else? 

      -I kinda don't want Zeke to have a tragic background. Zeke as a sociopath that just wants to watch the entire world burn regardless of allegiance is way more interesting to me than yet ANOTHER evil character getting the 'oh they're not bad just misunderstood, just like the rest of Nazi Marley' treatment.

      9/10 this chapter, VAST improvement the last couple of chapters.

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    • I'm not sure I can express how dissapointed I am with the chapter.

      Zeke betting on Levi being unable to kill his former troops to escape. Like, seriously? Zeke was asleep the first time he was on Paradis or something, the suicidal charge that was bying Levi time to get to him, which is Erwin basically murdering his own troops for the sake of victory against him? Not only that, he already left Levi with a horde of Titans to eat him afterwards and knows how it has ended. And now he does it again, except this time in a forest that favors 3DM Gear instead of open field. 

      The fight itself... Again, Zeke has nothing. Like NOTHING to throw against Levi (pun not intended), and that'd be a time to channel his inner Kira while pretending to read a book and come up with something other than 'eh, I'll just harden the nape and get wrecked the same way Reiner did', but... no. Better sit in that Titan's hand and pretend I know all the truths. Like, seriously, destroying all the Thunder Spears in vicinity should have been his priority but, no, Levi clearly has time to equip himself with full working set and have extra.

      My only solace is that Levi probably won't kill him, since after what Eren did in Liberio they're f*cked without the Rumbling and Historia isn't about to have miscarriage. The only interesting note is that everyone having Zeke's juice felt him setting the plan in motion, meaning Levi now has to keep him away from where the military is, least he can try it again... I wonder if simply gagging him would actually solve that little problem, or Zeke can/will find a way to trigger it some other way. I kinda hope there is some kind of hidden plan at work here, but since Zeke was saying his farewells for no one but the reader, I'm not getting my hopes up.


      Other than that... I'm not sure whether Floch's character is asking Isayama for an evil mustache, or his beef with Shadis is a lot more personal than meets the eye.

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    • This chapter was another mixed bag for me as I felt it's pros and cons were fairly equal.

      Pros:

      - The bit with Floch and Shadis was actually pretty great in my opinion as it was nice to see Shadis again and I respect the hell out of him for not submitting to Floch or his followers. I also felt that this was a thematically strong moment showing the dangers of populism full stop, So A+ to Isayama here for strengthening the themes of the series and the strong characterization of both Floch and Shadis.

      Cons:

      Zeke V Levi 2 was underwhelming to say the least with Zeke's followup plan being laughable and showing a serious lack of awareness on the part of Zeke (Seriously Levi let his best friend die so he could possibly beat you and you think that shit's going to work here?). The fight also lacked tension and memorable moments (Zeke crunching that Titan aside) so ultimately it felt like a whole lot of nothing but I think this fight might be far from over as I think we might see the appearance of one the Warriors or Eren next chapter to make things interesting hopefully.

      Mixed:

      - It seems like the mystery box is finally going to spill its contents so that's good as Zeke is honestly more like an enigma than a character so any kind of development is good for him on some level but I'm not too hyped right now for the unveiling as I have a bad feeling that the reveal is going to be botched as most of the reveals recently haven't done it for me and considering how dragged out this was it feels like Zeke's entire worth as a character hinges on this moment so the reveal will have to be pretty much flawless (hopefully it's not a "i'm secretly good back story" at the very least).

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    • I'm pretty disappointed by the Zeke vs Levi fight; no tension and a generic, repeated outcome. I know Levi's strong, but winning against over a dozen unusually fast and agile titans who jumped him at the same time and then Zeke afterward, without getting a SINGLE scratch, goes beyond pushing it. That's Deus Ex Machina right there. I mean, I know Zeke's power is such that it's pretty much a one-hit kill, so getting struck even once means certain death, it can also indicate a lack of flexibility and imagination on Isayama's part, and his unwillingness to kill off a major character. It was really anticlimactic and predictable.

      I am glad that we pretty much got confirmation that Zeke'd been planning to help Paradis all along, and that turning the soldiers and the MPs into titans was a Plan B, just like Hange said. Everything he said, he said while Levi was off fighting the Titans, so he had no reason to lie while talking to himself. And I can't help but think it's good he did make that contingency. I won't disagree that the Yeagerist methods are extremist (though that might be deliberate), but I also agree very much that they and Zeke are right about the military's (Survey Corps included) delusions, their reliance on ineffective old traditional ways, their snail pace in coming up with plans and taking action, and their arrogance in actually being able to stave off the attack by the entire world.

      The Survey Corps, the people we've seen as heroes thus far, have become like the very government they toppled. Perhaps not quite as bad, but they acquired a good deal of the flaws and shortcomings that lead to the government's corruption and eventual end. Hange has noted the parallels between Sannes and herself a few chapters ago.

      One of the main flaws, I think, was their unwillingness to consider making a pact with Zeke and the Volunteers. I can understand not wanting to trust him, but they were planning to betray him and the Anti-Marleyans all along. This is a proof of both their ignorance and their arrogance, alienating or getting rid of several of their very few allies in their fight against the entire world. Hell, the fact they themselves acknowledged that they were but "babes in the woods" when it came to the outside world, and then still thought and acted against the advice of those who did know, just makes it worse.

      I get that Zeke killed either killed or transformed a good deal of people on Paradis, but he was in an extremely difficult position. The Survey Corps, after what they did in Stohess, using the justification of 'it had to be done', are the last ones who have the right to cast judgment and dispersions on him.

      As much as some might disagree with me, everything that's happening inside the Walls right now, the military and the Survey Corps brought it on themselves. It's not entirely their fault, hindsight being 20/20 and all, but they have become relatively unreliable.

      I fully get why the Yeagerists decided to take actions, keeping in mind that some factors still haven't been revealed.

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    • Similar opinion to everyone else.  We've yet to see the significance of the forest fight in future chapters and I guess that it makes sense that Levi won, but the fight was disappointing, to say the least.  Yes, Zeke had very little options left, and he was in a dilemma where he would've been killed had he done nothing.  Yes, Levi had a massive terrain advantage.  Yes, it's not like Levi "won," since he was forced to kill off his own comrades and incur serious mental anguish.  But at the same time, it just felt so anticlimatic, in a purely irrational, sentimental sense of evaluation.  It suffocates all of the hype for the chapter and leaves an uncomfortably abrupt absence of tension.  The only notable part about the chapter was that we may finally get an info dump chapter regarding Zeke's true intentions and goals in the form of his backstory.

      I was, however, pleasantly surprised to see that Glasses-kun, Xavier, did turn out to be a relevant character after his first cameo appearance in Grisha's backstory.  There was a lot of theorizing regarding his character and it seems that the fanbase had the right idea about him.

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    • I'm kind of disappointed that nobody important got wined and titaned. All that buildup really led to nothing. We all knew Levi wasn't going to kill Zeke or vice versa so there was zero tension, except the question of whether Zeke would escape and where he was going.

      They're in the exact same situation as before, the only difference being some nameless goons are dead. Unless they intend to revisit that plot thread, and it turns out somebody important was wined and only failed to transform because they were out of range of the scream. Doubt it though.

      I thought the twist was going to be that Levi actually kept one of the titans alive and was going to feed Zeke to it, or at least threaten him with the prospect as an interrogation method. But no.

      The only little bit of tension I had was when I momentarily thought Zeke was letting one of the titans eat him, but it turns out he was just hitching a ride.

      It's just all eroding Zeke's character really. Every time he has an epic fail like this, he looks less and less like a master strategist and more and more like a bumbling idiot. The sooner we get some significant reveals about him and his plan, the better.

      And in case anyone doesn't get it, Zeke's spinal fluid doesn't paralyze anyone. That was just fabricated so that Levi wouldn't think anything like the wine plan could be possible.

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    • Marco1995mega wrote: I'm pretty disappointed by the Zeke vs Levi fight; no tension and a generic, repeated outcome. I know Levi's strong, but winning against over a dozen unusually fast and agile titans who jumped him at the same time and then Zeke afterward, without getting a SINGLE scratch, goes beyond pushing it. That's Deus Ex Machina right there. I mean, I know Zeke's power is such that it's pretty much a one-hit kill, so getting struck even once means certain death, it can also indicate a lack of flexibility and imagination on Isayama's part, and his unwillingness to kill off a major character. It was really anticlimactic and predictable.

      I am glad that we pretty much got confirmation that Zeke'd been planning to help Paradis all along, and that turning the soldiers and the MPs into titans was a Plan B, just like Hange said. Everything he said, he said while Levi was off fighting the Titans, so he had no reason to lie while talking to himself. And I can't help but think it's good he did make that contingency. I won't disagree that the Yeagerist methods are extremist (though that might be deliberate), but I also agree very much that they and Zeke are right about the military's (Survey Corps included) delusions, their reliance on ineffective old traditional ways, their snail pace in coming up with plans and taking action, and their arrogance in actually being able to stave off the attack by the entire world.

      The Survey Corps, the people we've seen as heroes thus far, have become like the very government they toppled. Perhaps not quite as bad, but they acquired a good deal of the flaws and shortcomings that lead to the government's corruption and eventual end. Hange has noted the parallels between Sannes and herself a few chapters ago.

      One of the main flaws, I think, was their unwillingness to consider making a pact with Zeke and the Volunteers. I can understand not wanting to trust him, but they were planning to betray him and the Anti-Marleyans all along. This is a proof of both their ignorance and their arrogance, alienating or getting rid of several of their very few allies in their fight against the entire world. Hell, the fact they themselves acknowledged that they were but "babes in the woods" when it came to the outside world, and then still thought and acted against the advice of those who did know, just makes it worse.

      I get that Zeke killed either killed or transformed a good deal of people on Paradis, but he was in an extremely difficult position. The Survey Corps, after what they did in Stohess, using the justification of 'it had to be done', are the last ones who have the right to cast judgment and dispersions on him.

      As much as some might disagree with me, everything that's happening inside the Walls right now, the military and the Survey Corps brought it on themselves. It's not entirely their fault, hindsight being 20/20 and all, but they have become relatively unreliable.

      I fully get why the Yeagerists decided to take actions, keeping in mind that some factors still haven't been revealed.

      There are just many parallels and foreshadowing from The Uprising to this arc. It is very interesting battle between the ideologies between the First King, Marely's, and the military/Survey Corp.

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    • Freeman1378 wrote: This chapter was another mixed bag for me as I felt it's pros and cons were fairly equal.

      Pros:

      - The bit with Floch and Shadis was actually pretty great in my opinion as it was nice to see Shadis again and I respect the hell out of him for not submitting to Floch or his followers. I also felt that this was a thematically strong moment showing the dangers of populism full stop, So A+ to Isayama here for strengthening the themes of the series and the strong characterization of both Floch and Shadis.

      Cons:

      Zeke V Levi 2 was underwhelming to say the least with Zeke's followup plan being laughable and showing a serious lack of awareness on the part of Zeke (Seriously Levi let his best friend die so he could possibly beat you and you think that shit's going to work here?). The fight also lacked tension and memorable moments (Zeke crunching that Titan aside) so ultimately it felt like a whole lot of nothing but I think this fight might be far from over as I think we might see the appearance of one the Warriors or Eren next chapter to make things interesting hopefully.

      Mixed:

      - It seems like the mystery box is finally going to spill its contents so that's good as Zeke is honestly more like an enigma than a character so any kind of development is good for him on some level but I'm not too hyped right now for the unveiling as I have a bad feeling that the reveal is going to be botched as most of the reveals recently haven't done it for me and considering how dragged out this was it feels like Zeke's entire worth as a character hinges on this moment so the reveal will have to be pretty much flawless (hopefully it's not a "i'm secretly good back story" at the very least).

      Its not populism but also what happens when nationalism and less obvious extent Fascism gets to the extreme. Floch just became full-on nationalist. However there is some nuance to him.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote: Now THAT was a hell of a chapter

      Pros:

      -Zeke vs. Levi rematch. A real one, not the staged performance they put on at Marley. And boy, was it a detailed fight to boot.

      -Getting into Levi's mindset when yet again killing more of his comrades post-transformation.

      -More wine theory stuff confirmed, still wanna know more details of how it works since apparently they don't always go stiff before transforming

      -Falco appeared....WITHOUT Gabi! After constantly covering her ass time and time again, Cinnaboi has a chance to grow away from that toxic psychopathic POS and be more than just a heroic meat shield for his murder crush! Speaking of which...

      -FINALLY a chapter WITHOUT Gabi! I needed that so much, I have never felt such negativity from a single individual in my life!

      -The Yeagerists seem to be growing in power. They're certainly controversial, but since Armin and Hange's brand of diplomacy is going to get them all killed, the Yeagerists are the real heroes since they fully intend to let Eren do whatever he needs to do to keep the Walldians safe. 

      -Floch. I'm glad we're getting somewhat of a logical outlook from him. It's not just blind loyalty to Eren, he truly understands they have to fight fire with fire (which he took literally back in Marley lol xD) if they want to survive against their enemies

      -As much as I like Zeke, it was nice Levi got some justice for his fallen friends. At least the ones that fell at Zeke's hands/paw/arm thingies. Now he just needs to kick the tar out of Annie the same way and the ones she killed will receive justice as well.

      Cons:

      -Keith Shadis getting his ass kicked. Especially since he was like 'these pipsqueaks are no match for me'. I guess it was metaphorical for the whole 'old era' kind of thing, but there are other Walldian characters Floch can take his anger out on that wouldn't have upset me (*cough* Mikasa *cough*) or even entertain me (*cough* Papa Blouse *cough*)

      -I thought Mikasa and Armin were going with Eren to Shinsengama for some unspeakable truth. Why are they in prison with everyone else? 

      -I kinda don't want Zeke to have a tragic background. Zeke as a sociopath that just wants to watch the entire world burn regardless of allegiance is way more interesting to me than yet ANOTHER evil character getting the 'oh they're not bad just misunderstood, just like the rest of Nazi Marley' treatment.

      9/10 this chapter, VAST improvement the last couple of chapters.

      Dude just let it go. Yeah I do agree with you on the fight & Floch getting character development.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Now THAT was a hell of a chapter

      Pros:

      -Zeke vs. Levi rematch. A real one, not the staged performance they put on at Marley. And boy, was it a detailed fight to boot.

      -Getting into Levi's mindset when yet again killing more of his comrades post-transformation.

      -More wine theory stuff confirmed, still wanna know more details of how it works since apparently they don't always go stiff before transforming

      -Falco appeared....WITHOUT Gabi! After constantly covering her ass time and time again, Cinnaboi has a chance to grow away from that toxic psychopathic POS and be more than just a heroic meat shield for his murder crush! Speaking of which...

      -FINALLY a chapter WITHOUT Gabi! I needed that so much, I have never felt such negativity from a single individual in my life!

      -The Yeagerists seem to be growing in power. They're certainly controversial, but since Armin and Hange's brand of diplomacy is going to get them all killed, the Yeagerists are the real heroes since they fully intend to let Eren do whatever he needs to do to keep the Walldians safe. 

      -Floch. I'm glad we're getting somewhat of a logical outlook from him. It's not just blind loyalty to Eren, he truly understands they have to fight fire with fire (which he took literally back in Marley lol xD) if they want to survive against their enemies

      -As much as I like Zeke, it was nice Levi got some justice for his fallen friends. At least the ones that fell at Zeke's hands/paw/arm thingies. Now he just needs to kick the tar out of Annie the same way and the ones she killed will receive justice as well.

      Cons:

      -Keith Shadis getting his ass kicked. Especially since he was like 'these pipsqueaks are no match for me'. I guess it was metaphorical for the whole 'old era' kind of thing, but there are other Walldian characters Floch can take his anger out on that wouldn't have upset me (*cough* Mikasa *cough*) or even entertain me (*cough* Papa Blouse *cough*)

      -I thought Mikasa and Armin were going with Eren to Shinsengama for some unspeakable truth. Why are they in prison with everyone else? 

      -I kinda don't want Zeke to have a tragic background. Zeke as a sociopath that just wants to watch the entire world burn regardless of allegiance is way more interesting to me than yet ANOTHER evil character getting the 'oh they're not bad just misunderstood, just like the rest of Nazi Marley' treatment.

      9/10 this chapter, VAST improvement the last couple of chapters.

      Dude just let it go. Yeah I do agree with you on the fight & Floch getting character development.

      Let what go? I have a feeling I know what, but in case we're not on the same page...

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    • I'm glad I'm not the only one who found this chapter's fight scene to be "meh." There was no build up. It was just one and done, and Levi so clearly beat the pants off him when the battle in Shiganshina had taken the lives of a hundred soldiers and Levi won by taking him by surprise.

      Granted, the battlefield was different this time and favored Levi on purpose, but it felt too easy and I'm honestly disappointed that Zeke found it a surprise that Levi would kill his own Titan-ized soldiers to get to him. Levi's in a branch of the military that sacrificed dozens of soldiers and their commander just to get to Zeke the last time around. He shouldn't underestimate them or their willingness to see the job through.

      I'm also disappointed that the wine reveal was confirmed for the rest of the military so quickly. It just removes all the tension of not knowing who is or isn't affected. And now that we know so many drank of the officers-only wine I feel like Isayama isn't going to turn them all into Titans, otherwise all of the military leadership outside of the Survey Corps is just going to drop out of the story. It would be a crisis of epic proportions if they did, but I can't see Isayama removing that many named characters at once.

      I'm also disappointed in the beating up Keith scene. I know why Floch orders it, but that's a jerk move to enforce which side the new recruits are aligned with (and that they aren't allowed to go back because they've hurt the other side). It's more that I don't like the direction Floch's character is going rather than I think it's poor writing. Floch was more interesting when he was simply a zealously pragmatic character. I don't need him power tripping on top of that.

      Aside from that, I do like Levi's part two of dealing with Zeke. Stabbing him in the stomach with a Thunder Spear rigged to his neck and constantly injuring him so he can't transform is brutal, but very practical and very Levi.

      I also like Zeke's consideration for what Levi and the rest of Paradis is expecting versus what Zeke and his greater understanding of the outside world expects to happen. It's a nice setup for later when things presumably hit the fan.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Freeman1378 wrote: This chapter was another mixed bag for me as I felt it's pros and cons were fairly equal.

      Pros:

      - The bit with Floch and Shadis was actually pretty great in my opinion as it was nice to see Shadis again and I respect the hell out of him for not submitting to Floch or his followers. I also felt that this was a thematically strong moment showing the dangers of populism full stop, So A+ to Isayama here for strengthening the themes of the series and the strong characterization of both Floch and Shadis.

      Cons:

      Zeke V Levi 2 was underwhelming to say the least with Zeke's followup plan being laughable and showing a serious lack of awareness on the part of Zeke (Seriously Levi let his best friend die so he could possibly beat you and you think that shit's going to work here?). The fight also lacked tension and memorable moments (Zeke crunching that Titan aside) so ultimately it felt like a whole lot of nothing but I think this fight might be far from over as I think we might see the appearance of one the Warriors or Eren next chapter to make things interesting hopefully.

      Mixed:

      - It seems like the mystery box is finally going to spill its contents so that's good as Zeke is honestly more like an enigma than a character so any kind of development is good for him on some level but I'm not too hyped right now for the unveiling as I have a bad feeling that the reveal is going to be botched as most of the reveals recently haven't done it for me and considering how dragged out this was it feels like Zeke's entire worth as a character hinges on this moment so the reveal will have to be pretty much flawless (hopefully it's not a "i'm secretly good back story" at the very least).

      Its not populism but also what happens when nationalism and less obvious extent Fascism gets to the extreme. Floch just became full-on nationalist. However there is some nuance to him.

      I was actually going to intially going to call it nationalism (This is AOT's philosophy of choice afterall)  but atleast to me populism, fascism, and nationalism are heavily tied together and I think Floch is primarily appealing to populism here to strengthen his natonalist agenda. So overall I think this scene can be read as a double critique of populism and nationalism but I think it's a highly succesful scene because it not only critiques this way of thinking as the recruits acted on their worst impulses here and Floch's behaviour is reprehensible but it also shows why this way of thinking appeals to some as Floch isn't particulary wrong about Keith or the institutions he represents. 

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    • Whenever I see Levi and Zeke interact/fight, I'm a happy camper; although I do agree with how abrupt and short this fight was. Zeke has been my favorite character in recent months because he is such an enigma. Right when you think you know his motivations, he goes off in a different direction. I don't know which side (if any) he truly is on anymore: at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he does indeed turn on Eren after they meet up. Going with the character progression last issue with Mikasa and Levi, it was good seeing Zeke express true fear and horror here. It shows how he thought he knew Levi and payed the price for drastically underestimating Levi's abilities (again) and how far he is willing to go. The memory at the end of the issue makes me think that Xaver had a hand in Zeke becoming the Beast Titan; perhaps Zeke inherited it from Xaver? That could explain the significance of the glasses. 

      On a side note, mad props to seeing Keith Shadis again and not caving in to Floch's demands! I can't wait for Floch to get the crap kicked out of him and/or killed by Mikasa, Armin or one of the other Survey Corps soldiers.

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    • Granted, the battlefield was different this time and favored Levi on purpose, but it felt too easy and I'm honestly disappointed that Zeke found it a surprise that Levi would kill his own Titan-ized soldiers to get to him. Levi's in a branch of the military that sacrificed dozens of soldiers and their commander just to get to Zeke the last time around. He shouldn't underestimate them or their willingness to see the job through.

      Tbh I'm actually surprised (and a little appalled) that people found the Levi vs. Zeke rematch so 'blah', or that this chapter fell compared to past ones. This is one of the first ones (except maybe 110) I truly enjoyed since before the basement reveal. And no, it's not just because Gabi wasn't in it, I think I made my stance on her pretty clear by now.

      I say this because this chapter is finally bringing the series back to its roots, back to what made it great to begin with. Even though I enjoyed 110 as well, it was still underlined with the same political jibber-jabber that bores the crap out of me. I didn't get into this series to be preached to about love and peace being the only way to save the world or whatever, I got into it for survival against the Titans and learning about (and eventually completely obliterating) their enemies. And lo and behold, we finally got the Titans back! The real kind that mindlessly destroy anything in their path, not the Warriors or Shifters that are just meant to further the 'empathy for the enemy' narrative.

      Apologies in advance for sounding bitter about the overall narrative, but I'm actually really ecstatic that we're finally getting actual Titans back into the narrative and going back towards the 'survival of the fittest' theme.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      I kinda don't want Zeke to have a tragic background. Zeke as a sociopath that just wants to watch the entire world burn regardless of allegiance is way more interesting to me than yet ANOTHER evil character getting the 'oh they're not bad just misunderstood, just like the rest of Nazi Marley' treatment.

      With how he's reacted in recent issues, I'm fairly confident that Zeke is not going to have the "misunderstood resolution" like both Falco and Gabi. Since Zeke had information about the Ackerman family lineage and more knowledge of Paradis than the Marley-Eldians and even the Marleyan military (presumably due to his royal blood), he knows full well that what he's doing is wrong and inhumane.

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    • {this opinion will get me killed by a horde of fangirls} I was kinda hoping Levi would have died right then. It's not that I hate him (well I didn't like him), but I feel like, after all he'd been through, he maybe should have accepted death. He's done so much already. Now, don't get me wrong, the way he sliced his way out of the titans was pretty cool, but still ;-;

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    • MangoSnake wrote:
      {this opinion will get me killed by a horde of fangirls} I was kinda hoping Levi would have died right then. It's not that I hate him (well I didn't like him), but I feel like, after all he'd been through, he maybe should have accepted death. He's done so much already. Now, don't get me wrong, the way he sliced his way out of the titans was pretty cool, but still ;-;

      Half of me agrees with you. The other half isn't too picky about how he wins, as long as he wins. The good guys deserve victory after going through so much.

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    • The Survey Corps are the good guys?

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    • FoggyGlasses55 wrote:
      The Survey Corps are the good guys?

      Compared to Marley? Absolutely. Not to mention they are the protagonists we have followed from the beginning of the series, so they should be the focus of the story, not the Warriors

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    • Protagonists =/= good guys.

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    • FoggyGlasses55 wrote:
      The Survey Corps are the good guys?

      No. Neither Marley or Yeagerists are.  You are invited to consider your own views and find out for yourself who is 'right' from your point of view at any given point - since the story's driving force is humans, who can change and make mistakes along the way. You just live to see the end regardless, unlike the characters. 

      If anything, to me Marley currently represents the most 'morally correct' way to end the story - simply since SC no longer have means to, thanks to Eren. And even then I do have one scenario in mind where all the crap Eren has been up to currently will make him a hero he wanted to be, but it is unlikely to happen.

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    • FoggyGlasses55 wrote:
      Protagonists =/= good guys.

      Protagonists doesn't necessarily equal villains either. Whether the protagonists are heroes or villains, the point is we're supposed to want them to win since the 'protagonists' are the central focus of the story

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    • Not really.  Right now I'm rooting for the Yeagerbros.

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    • Freeman1378 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Freeman1378 wrote: This chapter was another mixed bag for me as I felt it's pros and cons were fairly equal.

      Pros:

      - The bit with Floch and Shadis was actually pretty great in my opinion as it was nice to see Shadis again and I respect the hell out of him for not submitting to Floch or his followers. I also felt that this was a thematically strong moment showing the dangers of populism full stop, So A+ to Isayama here for strengthening the themes of the series and the strong characterization of both Floch and Shadis.

      Cons:

      Zeke V Levi 2 was underwhelming to say the least with Zeke's followup plan being laughable and showing a serious lack of awareness on the part of Zeke (Seriously Levi let his best friend die so he could possibly beat you and you think that shit's going to work here?). The fight also lacked tension and memorable moments (Zeke crunching that Titan aside) so ultimately it felt like a whole lot of nothing but I think this fight might be far from over as I think we might see the appearance of one the Warriors or Eren next chapter to make things interesting hopefully.

      Mixed:

      - It seems like the mystery box is finally going to spill its contents so that's good as Zeke is honestly more like an enigma than a character so any kind of development is good for him on some level but I'm not too hyped right now for the unveiling as I have a bad feeling that the reveal is going to be botched as most of the reveals recently haven't done it for me and considering how dragged out this was it feels like Zeke's entire worth as a character hinges on this moment so the reveal will have to be pretty much flawless (hopefully it's not a "i'm secretly good back story" at the very least).

      Its not populism but also what happens when nationalism and less obvious extent Fascism gets to the extreme. Floch just became full-on nationalist. However there is some nuance to him.

      I was actually going to intially going to call it nationalism (This is AOT's philosophy of choice afterall)  but atleast to me populism, fascism, and nationalism are heavily tied together and I think Floch is primarily appealing to populism here to strengthen his natonalist agenda. So overall I think this scene can be read as a double critique of populism and nationalism but I think it's a highly succesful scene because it not only critiques this way of thinking as the recruits acted on their worst impulses here and Floch's behaviour is reprehensible but it also shows why this way of thinking appeals to some as Floch isn't particulary wrong about Keith or the institutions he represents. 

      You are on point, but may I add also Imperialism and Militarism also.

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    • FoggyGlasses55 wrote:
      Not really.  Right now I'm rooting for the Yeagerbros.

      So am I, actually, though I have no doubt that alliance is going to go south at some point for whatever reason. So technically I'm rooting more for Eren, so in turn I root for Yeagerbros (and Yeagerists) until they've outlived their usefulness to Eren.

      Perhaps I should clear things up by saying that by protagonists I meant Walldians in general. Obviously among the Walldians I stopped caring about Mikasa and Mr. Blouse, so their fates are of no interest to me. Hange and Armin are well-intentioned, but extremely ignorant and are going to get everyone on the island killed. Yeagerbros are taking the fight directly to the rest of the world and are doing whatever it takes for the other protagonists to survive, even if they don't agree with their methods (but should honestly be thanking them for). Everyone outside the walls that is not named Falco offer no value to my enjoyment of the story, hence why I root for the protagonists to win; because the alternative, the antagonists, are either evil incarnate or flat and boring.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Granted, the battlefield was different this time and favored Levi on purpose, but it felt too easy and I'm honestly disappointed that Zeke found it a surprise that Levi would kill his own Titan-ized soldiers to get to him. Levi's in a branch of the military that sacrificed dozens of soldiers and their commander just to get to Zeke the last time around. He shouldn't underestimate them or their willingness to see the job through.

      Tbh I'm actually surprised (and a little appalled) that people found the Levi vs. Zeke rematch so 'blah', or that this chapter fell compared to past ones. This is one of the first ones (except maybe 110) I truly enjoyed since before the basement reveal. And no, it's not just because Gabi wasn't in it, I think I made my stance on her pretty clear by now.

      I say this because this chapter is finally bringing the series back to its roots, back to what made it great to begin with. Even though I enjoyed 110 as well, it was still underlined with the same political jibber-jabber that bores the crap out of me. I didn't get into this series to be preached to about love and peace being the only way to save the world or whatever, I got into it for survival against the Titans and learning about (and eventually completely obliterating) their enemies. And lo and behold, we finally got the Titans back! The real kind that mindlessly destroy anything in their path, not the Warriors or Shifters that are just meant to further the 'empathy for the enemy' narrative.

      Apologies in advance for sounding bitter about the overall narrative, but I'm actually really ecstatic that we're finally getting actual Titans back into the narrative and going back towards the 'survival of the fittest' theme.

      Be also glad that the whole World is coming in at Paradis's doorstep. So see plenty of action.

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    • Winston4278 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      I kinda don't want Zeke to have a tragic background. Zeke as a sociopath that just wants to watch the entire world burn regardless of allegiance is way more interesting to me than yet ANOTHER evil character getting the 'oh they're not bad just misunderstood, just like the rest of Nazi Marley' treatment.

      With how he's reacted in recent issues, I'm fairly confident that Zeke is not going to have the "misunderstood resolution" like both Falco and Gabi. Since Zeke had information about the Ackerman family lineage and more knowledge of Paradis than the Marley-Eldians and even the Marleyan military (presumably due to his royal blood), he knows full well that what he's doing is wrong and inhumane.

      Definitely glad to see some insight on Zeke about time.

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    • Winston4278 wrote: Whenever I see Levi and Zeke interact/fight, I'm a happy camper; although I do agree with how abrupt and short this fight was. Zeke has been my favorite character in recent months because he is such an enigma. Right when you think you know his motivations, he goes off in a different direction. I don't know which side (if any) he truly is on anymore: at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he does indeed turn on Eren after they meet up. Going with the character progression last issue with Mikasa and Levi, it was good seeing Zeke express true fear and horror here. It shows how he thought he knew Levi and payed the price for drastically underestimating Levi's abilities (again) and how far he is willing to go. The memory at the end of the issue makes me think that Xaver had a hand in Zeke becoming the Beast Titan; perhaps Zeke inherited it from Xaver? That could explain the significance of the glasses. 

      On a side note, mad props to seeing Keith Shadis again and not caving in to Floch's demands! I can't wait for Floch to get the crap kicked out of him and/or killed by Mikasa, Armin or one of the other Survey Corps soldiers.

      I can totally see Connie & Jean beating the crap out of Floch, I like to see Jean & Connie have their own little action moment.

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    • Remember when I called Dot Pyxis becoming a Titan waaaaaayyyyy before all of this went down?  Yeah, me too.  Pissed that my Forest Body theory never came true, but I guess it already happened at one point in time.  Okay chapter, feel bad for Zeke since he lost his glasses.  Glad we may get to see the previous warriors 

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    • Seeing Levi wreck shit is good and all but it’s starting to become a little boring. There’s hardly any tension when he’s around. Zeke taking constant L’s is pretty disappointing.

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    • Titan7291$ wrote:
      Seeing Levi wreck shit is good and all but it’s starting to become a little boring. There’s hardly any tension when he’s around. Zeke taking constant L’s is pretty disappointing.

      Well if Levi being a BA is getting old, you can probably look forward to the inevitable Eren vs. Levi fight (which I'm pretty sure will happen cause Yeagerbros). If you think Levi has plot armor against Zeke...how well would it last against the main character?

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    • I think Zeke can't be such an idiot, there must be some other reason for him to try to escape from Levi where his defeat is obvious. My theory is Zeke knows he can't escape from Levi  so he use other titans and himself as a decoy and send one of the titans to shiganshina district to inform eren about Zeke's location. Also yeagarists search for Zekes location, if their plan is escape and meet at shiganshina they don't need Zekes location at all. It must be plan B, if Levi notice and kill the messenger titan.

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    • Furkan1080 wrote:
      I think Zeke can't be such an idiot, there must be some other reason for him to try to escape from Levi where his defeat is obvious. My theory is Zeke knows he can't escape from Levi  so he use other titans and himself as a decoy and send one of the titans to shiganshina district to inform eren about Zeke's location. Also yeagarists search for Zekes location, if their plan is escape and meet at shiganshina they don't need Zekes location at all. It must be plan B, if Levi notice and kill the messenger titan.

      Yeah Because Zeke knew it was a suicide mission  going up against Levi, so this must have been the right chance to spread the word to Eren.

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    • OctoRift wrote:
      Remember when I called Dot Pyxis becoming a Titan waaaaaayyyyy before all of this went down?  Yeah, me too.  Pissed that my Forest Body theory never came true, but I guess it already happened at one point in time.  Okay chapter, feel bad for Zeke since he lost his glasses.  Glad we may get to see the previous warriors 

      Yeah guess the "roar" doesn't work long distance like that.

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    • okay some thoughts after just reading the summary:



      first of all, how much longer is this manga going to continue?, i dont get its endgame

      secondly, zeke was a double traitor?, i dont get that, maybe someone could explain to me

      and how in the world does levi keep beating up/nearly killing zeke/beast titan so easily? Its embarrassing



      also something i've been meaning to bring up for a while but if eren is the founding titan, why does he not just locate titans and compel them to his will, to make his own personal army? There logically should be no point in trying to kill them if he can compel them all

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    • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      okay some thoughts after just reading the summary:


      first of all, how much longer is this manga going to continue?, i dont get its endgame

      secondly, zeke was a double traitor?, i dont get that, maybe someone could explain to me

      and how in the world does levi keep beating up/nearly killing zeke/beast titan so easily? Its embarrassing



      also something i've been meaning to bring up for a while but if eren is the founding titan, why does he not just locate titans and compel them to his will, to make his own personal army? There logically should be no point in trying to kill them if he can compel them all

      It's building up to the endgame, I mean you got Warriors hiding inside the walls now. Zeke & Eren are collaborating on something. And the World is sending it's armies onto Paradis. Zeke is not exactly a double agent but he does have a greater goal in mind for the Eldians. 



      To your last question a) Eren doesn't have complete control of his Founding Titan ability because he is not of royal blood and b) there are no titans to control or anywhere.

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    • Can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm actually finding myself more in agreement with @Penguinluver1431 this time around.

      First off, the build up to Levi vs. Zeke Round 2 was great, and several of the panels in this chapter with Levi were absolutely brilliantly drawn. In some ways I found this (once again one-sided) fight more satisfying than their first encounter. Levi doesn't give a single f*ck anymore, and he is 100% done with Zeke's BS now.

      So many of my favorite characters have now been confirmed to have ingested Zeke's spinal fluid :(

      The only part I didn't care for was Floch being a complete prick to Hange and Shadis. I wanted to reach into the manga panels and beat the crap out of Floch, especially after he told the recruits to beat up Shadis.

      I'm betting the guy in Zeke's flashback is the previous holder of the Beast Titan.

      Excellent chapter that left me mega hyped. 9/10 for sure.

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    • tdfern14-



      It's building up to the endgame, I mean you got Warriors hiding inside the walls now. Zeke & Eren are collaborating on something. And the World is sending it's armies onto Paradis. Zeke is not exactly a double agent but he does have a greater goal in mind for the Eldians.-i kinda get that



      To your last question a) Eren doesn't have complete control of his Founding Titan ability because he is not of royal blood and b) there are no titans to control or anywhere.-i take it only historia is the only one who has royal blood? and why cant they just hunt down titans out in the world?

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    • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote: i take it only historia is the only one who has royal blood? and why cant they just hunt down titans out in the world?

      Historia and Zeke are the only ones with royal blood (Zeke being a descendant of a branch of the royal family that did not go to Paradis, and Historia being a descendant of Karl Fritz).

      Presumably there are no random pure Titans left in the world. All of those on Paradis up until 851 were exterminated via Titan guillotine, barring the really malformed one on the way to the ocean (which was probably killed in due time) and Connie's mom (who might still be alive but has never been mobile as a Titan).

      Any others were used by Marley in warfare, and were presumably destroyed with long range weaponry after the battle was done. It's not much good taking over a fort by using dozens man-eating Titans if you still have to fight the man-eating Titans afterwards.

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    • RuneLai wrote: Any others were used by Marley in warfare, and were presumably destroyed with long range weaponry after the battle was done. It's not much good taking over a fort by using dozens man-eating Titans if you still have to fight the man-eating Titans afterwards.

      I doubt they need to stay in a long range since Zeke controls them. He can just make them stand still till he executes them. And speaking pf that, does anyone think, Marley ever explored the idea of re Titanizing a pure titan other than Eldia? Since Zeke actually makes them, wouldn't they be betger warriors if they can be brought to normal when the time comes?

      And there are still the millions among millions of Pure Colossus Titans inside the walls.

      Now to the chapter.

      Levi survived?! Who could have think of such a overwhelming twist?! As one of the comments above mentioned, I think it would have been better if someone else other than Levi faced and survived such an incident, also without any cliffhanger, since I doubt anyone would care about the life of a random no one other than Levi, and hope them to survive. To be honest, even putting Eren in that position might have been thrilling, like think of it, he can potentielly heal from any injuries, and we can actually see his skill and experience of all these being used here, and not to forget about the fact that he knows how a titan moves better than anyone now. And again, the healng factor makes him more logical to survive, since a few unlucky steps won't hindrance him in surviving and a brother vs brother Titan fight?

      I knew Pixis drank the wine. And thankfully Levi's taste for tea saved him.

      May I add the fact that levi got Zeke again is epic and how he has him prisioned is even more epic.

      But now, to the question, what was those glasses? Were they just something to remember his or are they some secret key, weopen or magical Titan something thing?

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    • RuneLai wrote:

      Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote: i take it only historia is the only one who has royal blood? and why cant they just hunt down titans out in the world?

      Historia and Zeke are the only ones with royal blood (Zeke being a descendant of a branch of the royal family that did not go to Paradis, and Historia being a descendant of Karl Fritz).

      Presumably there are no random pure Titans left in the world. All of those on Paradis up until 851 were exterminated via Titan guillotine, barring the really malformed one on the way to the ocean (which was probably killed in due time) and Connie's mom (who might still be alive but has never been mobile as a Titan).

      Any others were used by Marley in warfare, and were presumably destroyed with long range weaponry after the battle was done. It's not much good taking over a fort by using dozens man-eating Titans if you still have to fight the man-eating Titans afterwards.

      Thank you

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    • BlazeRelease wrote:

      RuneLai wrote: Any others were used by Marley in warfare, and were presumably destroyed with long range weaponry after the battle was done. It's not much good taking over a fort by using dozens man-eating Titans if you still have to fight the man-eating Titans afterwards.

      I doubt they need to stay in a long range since Zeke controls them. He can just make them stand still till he executes them. And speaking pf that, does anyone think, Marley ever explored the idea of re Titanizing a pure titan other than Eldia? Since Zeke actually makes them, wouldn't they be betger warriors if they can be brought to normal when the time comes?

      And there are still the millions among millions of Pure Colossus Titans inside the walls.

      Now to the chapter.

      Levi survived?! Who could have think of such a overwhelming twist?! As one of the comments above mentioned, I think it would have been better if someone else other than Levi faced and survived such an incident, also without any cliffhanger, since I doubt anyone would care about the life of a random no one other than Levi, and hope them to survive. To be honest, even putting Eren in that position might have been thrilling, like think of it, he can potentielly heal from any injuries, and we can actually see his skill and experience of all these being used here, and not to forget about the fact that he knows how a titan moves better than anyone now. And again, the healng factor makes him more logical to survive, since a few unlucky steps won't hindrance him in surviving and a brother vs brother Titan fight?

      I knew Pixis drank the wine. And thankfully Levi's taste for tea saved him.

      May I add the fact that levi got Zeke again is epic and how he has him prisioned is even more epic.

      But now, to the question, what was those glasses? Were they just something to remember his or are they some secret key, weopen or magical Titan something thing?

      Okay but here is something that confuses me. If Pyxis drank the wine but hasn't now. Would he still turn?

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    • runelai-

      okay thanks




      so only the few of the nine titans and the many abnormal titans are left?

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    • Pixis I feel has a big role in the coming chapters. The story is indicating his possible loss with the Titan Wine. But you know, I feel someone like him is only going to be done for if all of them together are gonna go. So, Pixis turning Titan is a good question, would they want to let a character like him be turned into just another pure titan?

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: Pixis I feel has a big role in the coming chapters. The story is indicating his possible loss with the Titan Wine. But you know, I feel someone like him is only going to be done for if all of them together are gonna go. So, Pixis turning Titan is a good question, would they want to let a character like him be turned into just another pure titan?

      I don't want Pixis to receive a cheap death though, it has to be something epic.

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    • This chapter was great in my opinion, there are many reasons why, such as Levi being able to abandon anything for the protection of eldia, and the ending of how Levi just obliterated and made Zeke look like a complete pushover was just great. All around great chapter, and I'm hoping pixis will be OK after the wine incident man.

      But we will soon find out as I'm going to assume Levi will be killing Zeke.

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    • how exactly can levi kill zeke?, isnt zeke indestructible?

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    • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      how exactly can levi kill zeke?, isnt zeke indestructible?

      No, he is not. You can kill titans by slashing their nape open for pure ones, and just plain killing titan shifters in human form for the shifters.

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    • well like where would the beast titan form go to? if zeke died?

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    • That's the thing, I don't think Zeke will die without being eaten because his Beast Titan is extremely relevant to the plot. Once he's dead Eren will be unable to use the Founding Titan unless Historia becomes a titan, most likely she will take the Beast Titan from Zeke.

      Though I suppose she could inherit one of the Marleyan Titans as well since most of them are within reach on the island.

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    • yeah maybe

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    • point two in favor of character assassination and a waste of an opportunity

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