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  • After the reveal of Historia being pregnant, one of my first thoughts was that Eren had to be the father. They just clicked at the end of the Uprising Arc, and that moment when she cried after Eren opposed Zeke's plan of having her pop out babies like an expensive brood mare kinda sealed the deal for me.

    Now, I know that the MPs said that the father is the boy, now man, from Historia's childhood, but I think it was a smokescreen. It was bad enough that circumstances forced this plan upon her if she wanted to save Paradis, but choosing a practical stranger on top of it? I know the military didn't interfere with her choice, but the only people she knew on a personal level were fellow soldiers, and the one she was closest to was undoubtedly Eren. Honestly, there was probably some unspoken rule forbidding her from choosing him so as to avoid their most powerful weapon from having any unnecessary and potentially harmful and distracting emotional connections.

    However, I think it's truly possible that she sought him out, or him her, or that they just found themselves together in some private situation and emotions got high. I imagine Historia, having learned to stand up for herself, would have wanted to have some level of control over the plan. Therefore, she would have sought out the one guy she had possible romantic feelings for, if not, a substantial emotional connection to. I don't know what would have made Eren give in - he just doesn't seem the type to leave a child fatherless, having the short lifespan he does - but I do feel the knowledge that Historia was pregnant was his child could've been the final straw that caused him to act on his own.

    This is my theory. Any thoughts? 

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    • I believe that the Uprising events made Historia and Eren friends. Like, they were mates before, but a real friendship appeared, because of what they experienced and both supported each other. And I personally don't see anything that goes beyond friendship afterwards.

      For the father's theory, I don't see it. She does not love him, and while he indeed has a great power he isn't of any special descent like Levi or Zeke are, so no reason to choose him (I said Zeke and Levi because of their respective heritages, not because I think they'd be good picks for the baby making plan btw) whether it's personal, tactical or political.

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    • It could still be possible that the stale boy is the real father as it seems less suspicious that way.

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    • Dalmatia wrote:
      I believe that the Uprising events made Historia and Eren friends. Like, they were mates before, but a real friendship appeared, because of what they experienced and both supported each other. And I personally don't see anything that goes beyond friendship afterwards.

      For the father's theory, I don't see it. She does not love him, and while he indeed has a great power he isn't of any special descent like Levi or Zeke are, so no reason to choose him (I said Zeke and Levi because of their respective heritages, not because I think they'd be good picks for the baby making plan btw) whether it's personal, tactical or political.

      I did say that all they might have was a strong but platonic emotional bond. Part of me thinks that might have been enough for her to choose him as the father. Maybe. A semblance of control in otherwise unfortunate circumstances. Not like she has any romantic feelings for the stable boy either.

      I've also got the POSSIBLE theory that Historia's aware of Eren's actions, that is, that he informed her of his plans, reassuring her or whatever of her and her child's future. This would be especially likely if Eren was, in fact, the father. Nothing is certain yet, though. We'll just have to wait and see.

      P.S. I meant, that if the two did procreate, it was done in secret, the military unaware of it, and that Historia asked the stable boy to act as a smokescreen to make it seem like he's the real parent.

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    • I can see Isayama going with that "twist", since it did feel like the farm boy reveal was done unusually too soon for Isayama's standards, but imo it'd still be as predictable as the wine theory cuz I've lost count of how many times I've come across "Eren is the father" theories since 107—even winning the poll of that chapter.

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    • To be fair, it would be predictable only for us here who regularly use the forum to chat, since we share our theories with one another. For most regular readers, it would be a big twist.

      This is the most likely scenario in my mind:

      Eren, due to their friendship and a sense of obligation, warns Historia of the military's plan to have her eat Zeke the moment he lands on Paradis (him having been informed by Yelena, probably). She is either slightly horrified or mixed on the issue, and then Eren tells her of his plan to force the Survey Corps to attack Marley not just to save Paradis, but her and her children. Reluctantly, he convinces her to become pregnant to avoid her becoming the Beast Titan prematurely. She is unsure, not fully willing to trust Zeke and Yelena nor liking him going rogue and putting himself in danger. They discuss it (read: argue), and she eventually realizes that trying to stop him is not only pointless but detrimental to Paradis survival, in the sense that it would affect his standing and relationship with the military and the populace at a stage where it was too dangerous to do so. One enemy, who significantly outnumbered them, is a big enough problem as is. In either a last bid to convince him otherwise or a desire to have a child with someone close to her (or both), she says that she would keep his plans a secret if he agrees to be the father of her child. Flabbergasted and protesting Eren, stubborn Historia, more arguing, and he eventually caves. When he learns of her pregnancy, he becomes even more motivated to see his plan through, becoming stalwart enough to even kill innocent civilians.

      There. Those are my thoughts. I think it would be quite clever if it were true.

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    • I think a better twist would be that the father is an Ackerman and thus the baby would be unable to become a titan.

      I don't think Eren would ever intentionally father a child destined to inherit a titan, for the same reason he doesn't want his friends to inherit a titan.

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    • Sorry No I don't think Eren is the father. Besides i'm an EreMika shipper.

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    • TKGriffiths wrote: I think a better twist would be that the father is an Ackerman and thus the baby would be unable to become a titan.

      I don't think Eren would ever intentionally father a child destined to inherit a titan, for the same reason he doesn't want his friends to inherit a titan.

      Except are there other Ackerman males besides Levi?

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:Except are there other Ackerman males besides Levi?

      Not that we know of. That doesn't mean it's not possible though, it's not like we knew about Kenny the whole time. Any civilians could be an Ackerman without even realizing, because they need to go through a traumatic event to manifest the trademark abilities.

      I say civilians because most of the Survey Corps have gone through such trauma and would have known by now.

      Personally I don't think there should be a twist at all, sometimes things really are as simple as they're portrayed.

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    • After 114, it seems pretty likely that Eren's the dad.

      We saw Zeke's philosophy is anti-babies and chapter 100 and 112 foreshadowed that Eren's philosophy is the complete opposite (aka pro-babies). Then we check the final panel and we see a man holding a baby that so happen to have Eren and Carla's eyebrows. Hmm. People who don't see Eren being the dad usually claim that the final panel is Grisha holding Eren, which seems less likely after 114. Outside of the existing issues like the baby having very feminine features that don't match existing manga images of Eren as a baby in Shadis's flashback, now we know that Grisha was a terrible father who saw his sons as tools.

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    • TKGriffiths wrote:
      I think a better twist would be that the father is an Ackerman and thus the baby would be unable to become a titan.

      I don't think Eren would ever intentionally father a child destined to inherit a titan, for the same reason he doesn't want his friends to inherit a titan.

      But are we 100% certain that an Ackerman can't turn into a titan? I mean, regardless of the clan being subjected to titan experimentation, are immune to the Founding Titan abilities and got titan like abilities, they're technically Eldians, meaning that they have a chance that they can turn into titans. Even Kenny confirmed that there is such a possibility, though we're also not sure whether they can turn into Pure titans or not since they are able to harness the power of the titans.

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    • We don't actually know either way, it's only been implied. The Ackermans themselves don't know either BTW, they didn't even know anything about titan shifters let alone the 'titan science' that gave them their powers.

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    • TKGriffiths wrote:
      We don't actually know either way, it's only been implied. The Ackermans themselves don't know either BTW, they didn't even know anything about titan shifters let alone the 'titan science' that gave them their powers.

      True. For all we know, it could be speculations. also i read about zeke being anti-baby eldian. can someone explain, i never read the manga

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    • I think he is by now. The Farmer boy is a red herring caused by Isayama to fool the fans. He is a huge GOT fan, and has stated that Game of Thrones might shape his work from now on. And everybody who watches GOT knows there's a lot of secret baby daddy reveals there, so this would be Isayama paying homage to it. Plus, I don't think Eren would want a guy who threw rocks at Historia be the father.

      One of Eren's goals until this point is to protect Historia, so having to make a little sacrifice by making her pregnant would lead to their eventual victory. He has a plan, and it would eventually save them all in the end.

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    • LanceSennin wrote:
      I think he is by now. The Farmer boy is a red herring caused by Isayama to fool the fans. He is a huge GOT fan, and has stated that Game of Thrones might shape his work from now on. And everybody who watches GOT knows there's a lot of secret baby daddy reveals there, so this would be Isayama paying homage to it. Plus, I don't think Eren would want a guy who threw rocks at Historia be the father.

      One of Eren's goals until this point is to protect Historia, so having to make a little sacrifice by making her pregnant would lead to their eventual victory. He has a plan, and it would eventually save them all in the end.

      Yeah. these two had been through so much together and it's really interesting how Eren got close to her, possibly closer that he ever was with Mikasa.

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    • Cheng The Nerd wrote:

      LanceSennin wrote:
      I think he is by now. The Farmer boy is a red herring caused by Isayama to fool the fans. He is a huge GOT fan, and has stated that Game of Thrones might shape his work from now on. And everybody who watches GOT knows there's a lot of secret baby daddy reveals there, so this would be Isayama paying homage to it. Plus, I don't think Eren would want a guy who threw rocks at Historia be the father.

      One of Eren's goals until this point is to protect Historia, so having to make a little sacrifice by making her pregnant would lead to their eventual victory. He has a plan, and it would eventually save them all in the end.

      Yeah. these two had been through so much together and it's really interesting how Eren got close to her, possibly closer that he ever was with Mikasa.

      I used to be an EreMika shipper but it died down when I got frustrated with the lack of Mikasa's character. Eren telling Historia he liked her real self made me look out for a possible ship between them and the crystal cave scene made it my new official ship. And yeah, it's crazy to think that Isayama made their relationship deeper and deeper without going into the romance trope for the fans.

      One other proof is that History repeats itself in the AOT world. If it is "Ymir Fritz taking from the fruit from the devil", then it would be Eren and Historia in general. Historia is Ymir's descendant, the fruit is the child she had, while Eren is the devil (since Eldians have been referred to as Hellspawns).

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    • TKGriffiths wrote:
      I think a better twist would be that the father is an Ackerman and thus the baby would be unable to become a titan.

      Ackermans are able to weild Titans, none the less it is confirmed that a half Ackerman half royal can weild a Titan (Levi, his father is clearly Rod Reiss. He will probably become a Titan soon since he's messed up) 

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    • EthanPHX wrote:
      TKGriffiths wrote:
      I think a better twist would be that the father is an Ackerman and thus the baby would be unable to become a titan.
      Ackermans are able to weild Titans, none the less it is confirmed that a half Ackerman half royal can weild a Titan (Levi, his father is clearly Rod Reiss. He will probably become a Titan soon since he's messed up) 

      Only she has another serum laying about. They used there only one on Armin

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    • EthanPHX wrote:

      Levi, his father is clearly Rod Reiss.

      What on earth makes you think that.

      Also it's not clear what would happen with a half Ackerman half Eldian. We haven't seen one of those in the series yet, let alone them being turned into a titan. All we have is the author's ideas about it, which could well have changed by now.

      On an unrelated note, it always seemed odd to me that everyone assumed Levi is a pure Ackerman. He was most likely fathered by a random Eldian while his mother worked as a prostitute. It seems extremely unlikely that his mother found another Ackerman to have offspring with.

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    • TKGriffiths wrote:
      EthanPHX wrote:

      Levi, his father is clearly Rod Reiss.

      What on earth makes you think that.

      Also it's not clear what would happen with a half Ackerman half Eldian. We haven't seen one of those in the series yet, let alone them being turned into a titan. All we have is the author's ideas about it, which could well have changed by now.

      On an unrelated note, it always seemed odd to me that everyone assumed Levi is a pure Ackerman. He was most likely fathered by a random Eldian while his mother worked as a prostitute. It seems extremely unlikely that his mother found another Ackerman to have offspring with.

      but according to the wiki page about the ackerman clan, it said that the ackerman are eldians who were subjected to titan experiment. so they're kinda eldian super soldiers

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      TKGriffiths wrote: I think a better twist would be that the father is an Ackerman and thus the baby would be unable to become a titan.

      I don't think Eren would ever intentionally father a child destined to inherit a titan, for the same reason he doesn't want his friends to inherit a titan.

      Except are there other Ackerman males besides Levi?

      Kenny, Kenny's Grandfather, Mikasa's Father

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    • I think it is possible, but I doubt it was out of love and more out of duty and obligation

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    • I hope to God that Eren is the dad

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    • but who is Isayama going to explain how Eren is the father. i mean, Eren was in Marley for four years, there's no way he could have banged Historia before he left. 

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    • What!? He wasn't in Marley fo four years! He was there for only a few months. I mean, you did see the flashbacks when the Volunteers arrived, the Azumabitos visited, and the railroad was being built? They all happened 3 years, 2 years, and 1 year ago respectively.

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    • Marco1995mega wrote:
      What!? He wasn't in Marley fo four years! He was there for only a few months. I mean, you did see the flashbacks when the Volunteers arrived, the Azumabitos visited, and the railroad was being built? They all happened 3 years, 2 years, and 1 year ago respectively.

      sorry. i havent been keeping up with the manga. i only started on the current arc

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    • Marco1995mega wrote: What!? He wasn't in Marley fo four years! He was there for only a few months. I mean, you did see the flashbacks when the Volunteers arrived, the Azumabitos visited, and the railroad was being built? They all happened 3 years, 2 years, and 1 year ago respectively.

      Historia must have been in pregnancy since half a year ago?

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Marco1995mega wrote: What!? He wasn't in Marley fo four years! He was there for only a few months. I mean, you did see the flashbacks when the Volunteers arrived, the Azumabitos visited, and the railroad was being built? They all happened 3 years, 2 years, and 1 year ago respectively.

      Historia must have been in pregnancy since half a year ago?

      Based on Levi’s comment in chapter 112, yes. In the current story Levi says Historia is a “few” months away from giving birth. So she’s likely in her 6th or 7th month of pregnancy.

      We still don’t exactly know when Eren left Paradis to head to the Middle East, so it’s still possible the timeline fits for Eren to be the dad.

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    • As for the topic of who is the father, I honestly can’t say with any confidence who it is.

      Regardless of parentage, I do think Eren and not Yelena was the cloaked figure who convinced Historia to go back on her promise to the 50 year plan (Yelena managing to convince Historia makes no sense to me). But from there it’s hard to say what happened. The easiest scenario is Eren persuades Historia to secretly join his side, and she just.....picks a random and non suspicious farmer working at her orphanage to impregnate her. It’s a safe and certain way to ensure Eren’s plan works. But honestly? Given how far Eren has been willing to go for Historia’s sake (lying to the military for years just because there was a small chance Historia would be turned into a Titan, outright refusing Zeke’s initial plan because of what it would make Historia do), it just seems.....against Eren’s character to go with a plan that has Historia getting pregnant by a rando she doesn’t even know. Eren stepping up and being the father makes a certain kind of sense with his character, but it also presents a danger to his plan. Eren would know that after he goes rogue, the Corps might try to use Historia and the baby against him, so the two would have to recruit the Farmer into their conspiracy to act as the father. The Farmer would be a potential information leak to their plans, but on the other hand Eren has been setting up a rebel group within the military for a while now (and there seems to be a lot of rebels working for Eren too) so who knows maybe he’d be willing to take the risk?

      Hard to say, but I do agree that Eren being the father seems like a twist that Isayama would have (like someone mentioned very game of thrones like lol).

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    • Verdant Melancholy wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Marco1995mega wrote: What!? He wasn't in Marley fo four years! He was there for only a few months. I mean, you did see the flashbacks when the Volunteers arrived, the Azumabitos visited, and the railroad was being built? They all happened 3 years, 2 years, and 1 year ago respectively.

      Historia must have been in pregnancy since half a year ago?

      Based on Levi’s comment in chapter 112, yes. In the current story Levi says Historia is a “few” months away from giving birth. So she’s likely in her 6th or 7th month of pregnancy.

      We still don’t exactly know when Eren left Paradis to head to the Middle East, so it’s still possible the timeline fits for Eren to be the dad.

      Makes sense...

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    • so many possibilities, but will we be prepared with what Isayama will throw at us once the manga reaches it's climax

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    • I hope the pregnancy and Historia’s situation overall gets more attention soon.

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    • Verdant Melancholy wrote:
      I hope the pregnancy and Historia’s situation overall gets more attention soon.

      me too. i'm DYING to know who the baby daddy is.

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    • Cheng The Nerd wrote:

      Verdant Melancholy wrote:
      I hope the pregnancy and Historia’s situation overall gets more attention soon.

      me too. i'm DYING to know who the baby daddy is.

      Unfortunately I kind of get the feeling that the whole pregnancy issue won’t be resolved until the very end, like say an epilogue chapter.

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    • It's 100% Eren. Watch and read and you'll see the whole truth. Eren is the next Lelouch.

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    • MrCents 04 wrote: It's 100% Eren. Watch and read and you'll see the whole truth. Eren is the next Lelouch.

      Lelouch? I don’t follow.

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    • Verdant Melancholy wrote:

      MrCents 04 wrote: It's 100% Eren. Watch and read and you'll see the whole truth. Eren is the next Lelouch.

      Lelouch? I don’t follow.

      Die as a villain.

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    • Verdant Melancholy wrote:

      Cheng The Nerd wrote:

      Verdant Melancholy wrote:
      I hope the pregnancy and Historia’s situation overall gets more attention soon.
      me too. i'm DYING to know who the baby daddy is.
      Unfortunately I kind of get the feeling that the whole pregnancy issue won’t be resolved until the very end, like say an epilogue chapter.

      well at least we will get confirmation until then. i'm not really expecting Isayama to bring it up in the middle of the story just as i'm not expecting to know Levi and Hanji's status and whereabouts just yet especially with the status of Marley attacking Paradis to claim the founding, war hammer and attack titan, all i'm saying that this issue doesnt go unaddressed leaving the fans with so many questions because the majority are for the notion that the 'farmer boy is the baby daddy' is BS and a cover up to draw attention from whoever could be the father of Historia's child be it Eren, Levi or anyone we'd least expect.

      and one good this about Isayama is that he makes sure he revisits certain things that have been addressed before like the Titan's Path, Titans being humans before, titans reverting back to humans if they eat titan shifters, memory inheritance, the list goes on and on and on. so i trust that Isayama will address this issue before or possibly when the manga reaches it's climax and enters the epilogue. we all need closure on this debate.

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