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  • Why Eren and Zeke did not simply touch each other to engage the power of the Founding Titan when they met in the Liberio internment? If they did, Eren could have immediately had the power to manipulate the memories of all the Eldians people, including the enemy's intelligent titans (i.e. War Hammer, Jaw, Cart, Armor). Eren could have immediately transferred the position of those intelligent titans to join Eren's own side, right? Why bothered to fight those intelligent titans in the Liberio internment causing more hatred between both side as well as the death of Sasha? :(

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    • It seems like a plot hole for now. Zeke implied something bad would happen if they touched, that's all we know.

      Also I think Eren can't simply touch a person with royal blood to trigger the founding titan, they have to be in titan form. Otherwise he could just do it with Historia. Zeke transforming into his titan would give away their position.

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    • Hi, TKGriffiths, thank you for replying my question.
      But... Even if Zeke had transformed into his titan form and had exposured their position, Eren and Zeke would not have to worry about that because they could have immediately had the power of the Founding Titan to manipulate the memories of all the Eldians people. Am I right?
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    • I think titan shifters are able to resist the founding titan's powers. Reiner, Bertholdt and Ymir were able to resist Eren's influence the first time he controlled other titans.

      It's also unclear how much control Eren would have of the founding titan's powers. He might not be able to immediately wield the full power, at least not at first.

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    • I think the most likely reason is that Zeke didn't fully trust Eren at the time, so Zeke didn't want to touch Eren to let Eren get the power of the Founding Titan.

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    • I'm with Vincent.

      I think it's because trust issues,

      and that Eren does INDEED have different belifs than Zeke's.

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    • TKGriffiths wrote:
      It seems like a plot hole for now. Zeke implied something bad would happen if they touched, that's all we know.

      Also I think Eren can't simply touch a person with royal blood to trigger the founding titan, they have to be in titan form. Otherwise he could just do it with Historia. Zeke transforming into his titan would give away their position.

      WRONG. Even in his human form, Eren was still able to use the power of the Founding Titan when he punched or touched the hand of Dina Yeager (in her titan form as the Smiling Titan).

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    • Vincentwu2004 might be right. It could be the fact that Zeke Yeager is still gauging and discerning the standpoint of Eren whether he could trust on Eren with his plan and get him to cooprate. ​]

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    • Trums21 wrote:
      Vincentwu2004 might be right. It could be the fact that Zeke Yeager is still gauging and discerning the standpoint of Eren whether he could trust on Eren with his plan and get him to cooprate.

      ​]

      Eren and Zeke each have different purposes, but they have to cooperate to activate the power of the Founding Titan so that they might just achieve the goals of their own.

      This pair of brothers are both acting to deceive each other to believe that their goals are the same. They are attempting to make use of each other, but they are full of doubt and distrust of each other.

      Oh, how I love this pair of brothers...

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    • Personally I think it had both to do with trust issues as well as lack of information regarding the founding titan's powers and how impacting it's utilization would be. Most of Zeke's (as well as Marley itself) information on an outsider using the power came from Reiner and possibly Bertolt, and I'm sure one of the key points that they mentioned was that they were able sense Eren using it.

      As such from Zeke's perspective, if they were able to sense it then, then they would be able to sense it again, as well as potentially recognizing the sensation as Eren using the founding titan's powers once more. In short, them coming into contact would more than likely had alerted their marley and their titan's, which was an unnecessary risk. After all, we still don't even know if Eren would be able to control titan shifters.

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    • Trums21 wrote:
      TKGriffiths wrote:
      It seems like a plot hole for now. Zeke implied something bad would happen if they touched, that's all we know.

      Also I think Eren can't simply touch a person with royal blood to trigger the founding titan, they have to be in titan form. Otherwise he could just do it with Historia. Zeke transforming into his titan would give away their position.

      WRONG. Even in his human form, Eren was still able to use the power of the Founding Titan when he punched or touched the hand of Dina Yeager (in her titan form as the Smiling Titan).

      You didn't even read what I said lol. I said that ZEKE might have to be in titan form, not Eren. Obviously Eren doesn't have to be in titan form because A) he wasn't the first time he used the founder and B) we know the founding titan's powers can be used while the holder is in human form, Frieda did this to erase Historia's memories.

      As it turns out in chapter 221, we now know that neither Eren nor Zeke had to be in titan form to trigger the founder. Zeke being a titan shifter in his human form was enough. But it wouldn't work if he wasn't a titan shifter.

      As it turns out in chapter 221 just touching Zeke's human form also worked so that theory was wrong anyway

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