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  • I´m not entirely convinced that the ¨Female¨ Titan is exclusively female. Consider: if all of the nine titan´s powers are inheritable by ANY of the Subjects of Ymir, what happens if a human male (as a pure titan, of course) eats, and subsequently inherits, the power of the ¨Female¨ Titan. Does the Titan body of this human male still manifest as female? It seems to me that each inheritor´s Titan body is, at least vaguely, reminiscent of their human form; especially the Female Titan, who looks remarkably like Annie (even down to the blonde hair and the roman nose). In fact, the only reason the ¨Female¨ Titan is even called ¨female¨ is because we´ve never seen it possessed by anyone other than Annie Leonhart. It is described as a well-rounded, general purpose Titan, ideal for field and special operations; thus ¨commando¨ would be a more apt description than ¨female¨. Perhaps it´s possible that this Titan may only be inherited by women, remaining dormant in a male host. Or maybe it does, in fact, take female form regardless of the inheritor´s sex; which is a little awkward, to be sure, but not out of the realm of possibility. That being said, i´m still dubious as to it´s inate nature. In addition to all that, the Female Titan varies very little, fundamentally, from the Attack Titan; appart from its hardening ability and physical asthetics, the two seem almost identical. Indeed, considering Eren later aquires hardening via some sort of mysterious serum, it´s possible (even likely) that inate hardening is exclusive to the Armored and War Hammer Titans; the rest aquiring the skill from third-party sources, making the Female and Attack Titans all the more similar. It seems to me that each of the nine Titans were supposed to have specific and exclusive traits and abilities which varied greatly from one Titan to the next. However, when you actually evaluate their differences, there are a few that lack any particular uniqueness or delineating characteristics. 

    The Beast, Cart, Jaw, Colossus, Armored, and War Hammer Titans are all clearly unique in their forms and abilites, despite any overlapping traits between them. While the Founding Titan is more or less unique in its abilities (with some overlap of its control ability in the Beast and Female Titans), its physique is extremely similar to that of the Attack and Female Titans (although not concurrently), taking many physical traits of its host, and having taken both male and female forms at one time or another. In fact, due to the Attack and Founding Titan being merged within Eren Yaeger, it's now impossible to untagle the two, essentialy making them one, and the same. 

    My focus kind of got away from me, but my questions are basically: why are the Founding, Attack, and Female Titans so similar; am i missing some important, unique or defining traits? What is the true nature of the "Female" Titan; is it exclusively female? What talents or abilities does the Attack Titan have that the others don't have or exceed?

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    • My answer to this question is "yes, until given a reason not to think so." Yeah, it's kind of weird, but if all nine titans are part of Ymir's "soul", I suppose this is just the part representing her gender. Marley (and Eldia beforehand) have had over a century to figure this stuff out. If it weren't exclusively female they'd have no reason to call it such.

      You're overthinking it. Rather than question why the Female Titan would be exclusively female, a better question (and one you seemed to bring up) is what exactly is supposed to be unique about the Attack Titan. Because it's the one that actually stands out.

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    • About the shifters, I have a theory: I don't think that when "Ymir's soul was separated into nine", the shifters weren't like we currently know them. I think they were all physically similar to Ymi'rs Titan, but they changed over the centuries (it's some sort of evolution). That's why some Titans doesn't look like to have particular abilities. It's because over the years they happened to be like this, but it wasn't a conscious choice from Eldia. Of course, maybe they "selected" over time because they wanted them to have specific features, but it's empiric choice, they're not really in control of it (like: we'll try to act so every generation, this shifter is getting taller and taller, giving us the Colossal Titan in the end... Even if I wouldn't know how they could have "acted" in order to reach this point. Maybe, it's nothing but evolution, without any conscious intervention behind it.  So, if the Attack Titan or the Female Titan doesn't have specific features, maybe it's just because they just happened to be like this. It's not because you're born in a family where every one is good looking that you have a garantee of being good looking too. Same here, it's not because the others Titans happen to have specific features that everyone of them must have specific features. Of course, in terms of storytelling, it'd not make a lot of sense to have two Titans that don't really have specific features, but why would storytelling be the ONLY thing to decide about what happens in a story? Hazard, random happen in real life, why wouldn't it happen in stories too?

      And primary, I think that the main reason those two Titans doesn't have specific features, it's because when Isayama drew them, he didn't think of them having specific features: when we discovered Eren, he was the first known human with a shifter power, that was already enough, he fullfilled his role in the story without having specific abilities. Same for the Female Titan, he designed her to be recongizable as Annie, but he didn't really planed to give her specific features. And he also introduced Titan hardening with her. So I consider that in terms of storytelling, their role were fullfilled without needing very specific powers.

      Of course, all of what I said are theories and suppositions.

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    • sorry if this is not that related to the topic but every time i hear female titan user why it makes me think why do ymir and pieck look ugly when they transform into titans is the founding titan and the female titan the only titans that look more like females. so i guess we all know that if your a female titan user who inherited one of the nine titans other than the founding or female titans you wont turn out as pretty as them when transformed to a titan aside from the war hammer titan

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    • Yugiohfan730 wrote: sorry if this is not that related to the topic but every time i hear female titan user why it makes me think why do ymir and pieck look ugly when they transform into titans is the founding titan and the female titan the only titans that look more like females. so i guess we all know that if your a female titan user who inherited one of the nine titans other than the founding or female titans you wont turn out as pretty as them when transformed to a titan aside from the war hammer titan

      The Founding Titan has feminine features while being hold by a woman (Frieda Reiss, and Ymir Fritz - If the representations are realitics). I guess that a female Attack Titan would have female features, as the Attack Titan adapts a lot considering the holder. For the Jaw Titan, I wouldn't consider Ymir's appearance as a reliable example about how looks females in Jaw Titan, as Ymir appearance didn't much changed from her pure Titan form. She didn't have much of the features ot the Jaw, just claws and sharp teeth. If a female was trained to have a Titan, I guess she would manifest a better appearance for the Jaw Titan, so, maybe she could have feminine features.

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    • Razzylada wrote:

      Yugiohfan730 wrote: sorry if this is not that related to the topic but every time i hear female titan user why it makes me think why do ymir and pieck look ugly when they transform into titans is the founding titan and the female titan the only titans that look more like females. so i guess we all know that if your a female titan user who inherited one of the nine titans other than the founding or female titans you wont turn out as pretty as them when transformed to a titan aside from the war hammer titan

      The Founding Titan has feminine features while being hold by a woman (Frieda Reiss, and Ymir Fritz - If the representations are realitics). I guess that a female Attack Titan would have female features, as the Attack Titan adapts a lot considering the holder. For the Jaw Titan, I wouldn't consider Ymir's appearance as a reliable example about how looks females in Jaw Titan, as Ymir appearance didn't much changed from her pure Titan form. She didn't have much of the features ot the Jaw, just claws and sharp teeth. If a female was trained to have a Titan, I guess she would manifest a better appearance for the Jaw Titan, so, maybe she could have feminine features.

      You both have me convinced that the physique of each "higher" titan is, to a large degree, dependant on the form of the inheritor's pure titan. I'm thinking that pure titan features are basically rapid and random mutations of the Eldian DNA; meaning that the features present in any pure titan occur almost (if not entirely) at random. Once a pure titan eats (and subsequently inherits) a "higher" titan, the features of the resulting titan will be determined by some combination of the inheritor's human form, pure titan form, and the intrinsic dimentions and constraints of the "higher" titan, itself (the former being least likely to contribute). As Razzylada states above, "Ymir appearance didn't much [change] from her pure titan form." While a wonderful example, this is not the only evidence to support this theory, as Eren's pure titan displayed a very similar resemblence to his pure titan form; from his hair to his eyes, to his weird lippless mouth/teeth. This may explain why some titans are more feminine than others, or have more skin than others, or even have more human proportions than others. 

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    • I think that if a man inherited the Female Titan, his appearence in titan form would be that of a female.

      I think the trait of the Attack Titan is simply being op af.

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    • Deppintosh wrote:
      I think that if a man inherited the Female Titan, his appearence in titan form would be that of a female.

      I think the trait of the Attack Titan is simply being op af.

      That's fine. Your opinion is valid enough, but it remains baseless until you can support it. Tell us why you believe this; what evidence or suppositions led you to your conclusion? If its just a gut feeling, fine; however, that kind of thing sort of defeats the point of a discussion board. Also, "op af."? Huh? Please don't abbreviate. It's confusing.

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    • Omnichr0matik wrote:

      Deppintosh wrote:
      I think that if a man inherited the Female Titan, his appearence in titan form would be that of a female.

      I think the trait of the Attack Titan is simply being op af.

      That's fine. Your opinion is valid enough, but it remains baseless until you can support it. Tell us why you believe this; what evidence or suppositions led you to your conclusion? If its just a gut feeling, fine; however, that kind of thing sort of defeats the point of a discussion board. Also, "op af."? Huh? Please don't abbreviate. It's confusing.

      Fair enough.

      Even the Marleyans, which have been experimenting on titans for a long time, call it Female Titan (and that name may very well be even older, from the Eldian Empire period). This tells us that having a female appearence is, in fact, a peculiarity. Granted, it could also mean that it's inheritable by women only, but I don't see why we should assume that. After all, a woman that turns into a titan has her body changed into a male one (with the exception of the Female Titan and the Founder Titan, the latter of which seemingly retaining its host's gender), so it could very well be that a male host of the Female Titan has his body turned into a female one.

      "Op af" = "over-powered as fuck". What I mean is that it has an enormous amount of strength and stamina. I'll admit though that Kruger's words were a little too vague when he said that the Attack Titan "keeps advancing towards freedom". Maybe that's too few to tell us that its only power is endurance.

      When it comes to the difference between Female and Attack, the comparison might be harsh here. We could definitely analyze the two Annie vs Eren titan fights, and I totally agree with you that in those fights Annie seems just as powerful as Eren is. So these are the advantages of Annie's that I think we should factor in here: her being more used to controlling a Titan, her having been trained for way longer than him (from back in her childhood with her father all the way to the Marleyan army's training and finally the training inside the Walls), and her being able to strengthen her blows through crystalization.

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    • I think the female Titan is more a skinless titan, If a woman inherited the armor titan, It would be a female armor titan, If a woman inherited the attack titan, it would be a female attack titan, So i think no, It's not female
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    • Deppintosh wrote:

      Omnichr0matik wrote:

      Deppintosh wrote:
      I think that if a man inherited the Female Titan, his appearence in titan form would be that of a female.

      I think the trait of the Attack Titan is simply being op af.

      That's fine. Your opinion is valid enough, but it remains baseless until you can support it. Tell us why you believe this; what evidence or suppositions led you to your conclusion? If its just a gut feeling, fine; however, that kind of thing sort of defeats the point of a discussion board. Also, "op af."? Huh? Please don't abbreviate. It's confusing.

      Fair enough.

      Even the Marleyans, which have been experimenting on titans for a long time, call it Female Titan (and that name may very well be even older, from the Eldian Empire period). This tells us that having a female appearence is, in fact, a peculiarity. Granted, it could also mean that it's inheritable by women only, but I don't see why we should assume that. After all, a woman that turns into a titan has her body changed into a male one (with the exception of the Female Titan and the Founder Titan, the latter of which seemingly retaining its host's gender), so it could very well be that a male host of the Female Titan has his body turned into a female one.

      "Op af" = "over-powered as fuck". What I mean is that it has an enormous amount of strength and stamina. I'll admit though that Kruger's words were a little too vague when he said that the Attack Titan "keeps advancing towards freedom". Maybe that's too few to tell us that its only power is endurance.

      When it comes to the difference between Female and Attack, the comparison might be harsh here. We could definitely analyze the two Annie vs Eren titan fights, and I totally agree with you that in those fights Annie seems just as powerful as Eren is. So these are the advantages of Annie's that I think we should factor in here: her being more used to controlling a Titan, her having been trained for way longer than him (from back in her childhood with her father all the way to the Marleyan army's training and finally the training inside the Walls), and her being able to strengthen her blows through crystalization.


      So you think that if a male inherited the female titan he would turn into a woman?

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    • Here's my theory, based on some observations from the manga and anime.

      Every titan form, pure or otherwise, is male, with two exceptions. We've seen multiple times that even if the person is a woman, their titan is "male". Ymir (Jaw), Pieck (Cart) and Willy's sister (War Hammer) all have "male" titans, in that they don't have female parts. The two exceptions we've seen are Annie Leonhardt (Female) and Frieda Reiss (Founding). However, we've seen Ymir and Frieda's pure titans too. Ymir's is male — no surprise there. But so is Frieda's. Yes. Really. Feel free to check. So what does this mean? It means that Frieda went from having a male pure titan to getting a female type titan after inheriting the Founding Titan. Why? I think it's because she has royal blood. Because the descendants of Ymir are so closely linked to the Founding Titan, their titans take the shape of the holder. However, this doesn't apply to pure titans — Dina Fritz' pure titan was "male". So why is Annie's titan still female? The key is in the name: Female Titan, a name the Marleyan government gave it. I believe that regardless of the holder's gender, the Female Titan will always be female. And if I were the Marleyan government, why would I bother giving a permanently female titan to a man?

      TLDR: Every titan is male except the Female Titan, which is always female, and the Founding Titan, which can change depending on the holder if they have royal blood. Otherwise, it's male (see Eren Yeager). 

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    • JawTitan012 wrote: Here's my theory, based on some observations from the manga and anime.

      Every titan form, pure or otherwise, is male, with two exceptions. We've seen multiple times that even if the person is a woman, their titan is "male". Ymir (Jaw), Pieck (Cart) and Willy's sister (War Hammer) all have "male" titans, in that they don't have female parts. The two exceptions we've seen are Annie Leonhardt (Female) and Frieda Reiss (Founding). However, we've seen Ymir and Frieda's pure titans too. Ymir's is male — no surprise there. But so is Frieda's. Yes. Really. Feel free to check. So what does this mean? It means that Frieda went from having a male pure titan to getting a female type titan after inheriting the Founding Titan. Why? I think it's because she has royal blood. Because the descendants of Ymir are so closely linked to the Founding Titan, their titans take the shape of the holder. However, this doesn't apply to pure titans — Dina Fritz' pure titan was "male". So why is Annie's titan still female? The key is in the name: Female Titan, a name the Marleyan government gave it. I believe that regardless of the holder's gender, the Female Titan will always be female. And if I were the Marleyan government, why would I bother giving a permanently female titan to a man?

      TLDR: Every titan is male except the Female Titan, which is always female, and the Founding Titan, which can change depending on the holder if they have royal blood. Otherwise, it's male (see Eren Yeager). 

      Why would having royal blood change anything? It's just that the Founding Titan changes of appearance because of the gender of the holder that's all. And, as far as we know, we don t know if the Attack Titan is «male» when inherited by a female. I'd say that the Attack Titan too changes of appearance because of its holder's gender. The Shifters that have a Female appearance (Founding or Female) are the most human-like shaped Titan. The Attack Titan is also very human-like shaped Titan, so I'd say that when a Femalz inherits it, its appearance is feminine too.

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    • Well, that's just it: we don't know if the Attack Titan would be female. We have to work off of what we do know.

      1. The Female Titan's official name is the Female Titan. Even the Marleyans, who had it for at least 80 years, called it that. Surely that carries some weight. And Isayama himself has implied that the Female Titan is its official name.

      2. You mention human-shaped titans. Well, isn't the War Hammer Titan also a human-shaped titan? Wasn't Willy's sister a woman inside a male titan? The reason why I think royal blood affects the titan form is because Frieda Reiss went from having a male pure titan to a female titan. Because of Zeke Yeager's special abilities with his royal blood, it isn't far-fetched to assume that royal blood makes exceptions for titan rules, especially when bonded to the Founding Titan IMO, that makes more sense than saying that the Founding Titan can innately change gender. Also, "human-shaped" titans and weirder looking ones shouldn't have any bearing as to the gender being displayed.

      3. If the Attack Titan could look female if a woman inherited it, and if the Female Titan could look male, then why would one titan be called the Female Titan? If others could look female, how would they distinguish the Female Titan from appearance alone? Even in the historic drawings, there is always one female titan. All the others are depicted male. I think it isn't a stretch to say that the Female Titan is ALWAYS a female in titan form; for example, the Colossal Titan is always large, the Armoured Titan is always armoured, etc. "Female" is an adjective in this context, basically saying that this titan is always female.

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    • "all have "male" Titans, in that they don't have female parts"... The mistake you're making is to assume that when Titans don't have female features, they're necessarilly male. Which seems stupid. If you takes away female parts from a woman, that doesn't make her a male... She's just a female without female features. To me, they're mostly androgynous. You call them "male" just because they don't have female curves...  

      About the Pure Titans. Look at Frieda, Ymir, and this one . Frieda has a very feminine face, the third one too. The third one, we don't know who she was as a human being, but when you see her, there's no doubt: she was a female. So, can we say that she has male features in her pure Titan form? She just doesn't have breasts, but her face is still pretty feminine. About Ymir pure Titan form (and as Jaw Titan), when I see it, I don't think of a male. I think of some kind of witch. Also, Dina's Titan doesn't have male features at all. It's perfectly androgynous. You're saying it's male because it doesn't have breast. But it just have a very big ribcage, that is neither male or female. The face, however, looks feminine (look at this pic ).

      About the Shifters. Let's take Willy's sister and Pieck/Peak. Are their Titans "males"? I wouldn't say that. They're androgynous. The Warhammer doesn't have male facial features to me. Just take off her mask and give her a wig, and everyone would say it's female. She doesn't have the facial features usually said to be males (beard, square jaw), so she shouldn't be seen as "male-shaped" in her Titan form. The fact that the Titan is bald also have a big impact on how we see it., because being bald is associated with males. Tho, we shouldn't consider it, because the lack of hair is probably because of the mask. The body looks male? Hum it's a slim body, especially compared to Titans like Eren's that really have a muscular body, or Grisha's that has some hot hairy chest. About Pieck, how can we really say anything about her looking like a male or female? She has short hair, and that's all.... And short hair is certainly NOT something we should take in account. The Cart Titan is supposed to have a heavy prognathism and no sexual features. It doesn't have any female curves, but it doesn't really have male curves either. It has animal curves so... 

      2) Royal blood has effects on the powers of a Titan, but as far as we know, it doesn't have anything special with the appearance. As far as we know, the only thing that affects the appearance of a Shifter is its holder's appearance, and the "basic shape" of the Titan itself. Yes, the Female Titan is always female, regardless of its holder, but this shows that Titans can have female curves without being royal. So, as far as we know, there is no need of a royal blood to have female curves on a Titan. 

      3) When I see how much the Attack Titan can change considering its holder (every time, it changes in order to be very similar to its holder), it's not too risky to assume it would have female features when it's under the control of a female. And even if it doesn't have female curves, it would have for sure a feminine face, with an androgynous body.

      I'm not saying your theory is false, I just don't buy it x)

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    • Couple of things: Yes, you're right that if I take away a woman's breasts and such they aren't male necessarily,  but I'd argue that at least the War Hammer Titan is pretty male-looking. It has square, male breasts and no discernible curve at the waist or buttocks. Pieck is ambiguous, I'll give you that, and Ymir's looks more like a troll, so… an argument can be made for those two. But to me, the War Hammer Titan can be considered a male titan. (I'm talking more physiology than face here, which is why to me, square breasts and no curves = male. Especially because its face is covered, the WHT looks like a male — actually, now that I think about it, it looks like Eren's Attack Titan.)

      But that's beside the point.

      Let's say Ymir, Pieck and Willy's sister's titans are indeed androgynous, while Eren, Zeke, Galliard and Reiner's are pretty confidently male. But Annie's and Frieda's aren't. I'll concede that my Founding Titan + Royal Blood = gendered titan form is a bit contrived, but my theory about Annie still holds. You're absolutely right; if a female took the power of the Attack Titan, its face would look more "feminine" — it might lose the square jaw of Eren's titan — but what about the body? "Male", right? Which means that its androgynous, right? That's fine until you recall what Eren and his classmates of the 104th learned waaaay back in the first couple of arcs: in-universe, pure titans are always considered "male", in the way that they don't have female parts. Several pure titans, such as Dina Fritz, but also some of the ones Zeke used in the Return to Shiganshina Arc, have slightly feminine faces, yet androgynous bodies. Thus, in-universe, to say that they are "male-looking" titans isn't completely wrong. Technically, they are genderless, since they have no reproductive organs, but for simplicity's sake, they call them male. Going by this definition, the WHT, the Cart Titan and Ymir's Jaw Titan can be classfiied as a "male titan because it doesn't have female parts", which is basically what the characters do anyways.

      So what about Annie (We're leaving Frieda out of this, since it's been established through Uri that the Founding Titan can be male or female looking)? She's referred to officially as the Female Titan, and no one is disputing the fact that her titan is unquestionably female. Never mind the face, which (respectfully) you seem to be hung up on, but she has breasts and a waist curvature which most women have. She's not the Founding Titan, so logic dictates that her titan should be androgynous/male — until you realize that her official name is the Female Titan. Like I said, historically, one of the Nine Titans aside from Ymir Fritz is always depicted as a woman, and, this is key, THE OTHERS ARE DEPICTED AS MALE. Yes, it could be artistic license, but I believe the underlying message here is that (other than the Founding Titan), the Nine Titans and all pure titans have "male" or androgynous bodies (no breasts), EXCEPT FOR THE FEMALE TITAN. So what if a man ate Annie? I think that while the titan's face would look a bit weird because the human is a male, but the rule of the Female Titan still holds: it would have breasts and a curvy waist/butt. 

      TL;DR: In-universe, titans with no discernible male features are considered "male titans". If you disagree, that's fine, but it's undeniable that the Female Titan has clear female body features, something which the other female titan shifters don't have. Because of the historical evidence, its official name and other females not having female titans, the holder of the Female Titan's titan will always have breasts and curves, and will probably have a more effeminate face.

      Sorry about the capitals; I'm not trying to be an ass. I'm just trying to emphasize the key points. :)

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