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    • Welp, here we are, the beginning of the end of what had once been a great series. I'm going to miss this.

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    • penguinluver-can you please explain what u mean?

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    • SPOILER: This episode was my least favorite I think of this whole season, not only did I know ahead of time what would happen cause I stupidly read the manga but I dont care for origin tales in general which I think that is what this all ends up being, its not like they reveal some cure to titanism unless the anime reveals such, it was just a history lesson on how the titans came to be and grishas life. Anyways some takeaways from this:armin having a bit of regret for killing bert was okay, at least he wasnt a cold blooded killer. This maybe just me but seeing that broken teddy bear on the streets, regardless of whether it was in a battlefield or not kinda upset the child deep within me. Also how is it they went into that basement and no one questioned the candle still being on?, what was that all about? I do kinda like when levi kicked the door open, it reminded me of a scene from the show lost. What else....yeah this episode got a bit idk, confusing near the end, the scene of the girl going to the council and saying they took back wall maria and shows what I can only assume is eren with books in his hand, what that a flashforward or a flashback? Also they have a post credits scene but of what is to come next episode, I think the post credits scene from the end of 3A already happened, please correct me if I am wrong about that. Overall only 3 episodes to go, I am not caring for next episode and that sucks cause I want to love every episode of this show cause its just so awesome but I have a low tolerance for origin tales, I dont like them. And hopefully we get a season 4 renewal soon please????. But I dont want them to end on a cliffhanger and not get renewed for a 4th season, I really dont want that at all, there is only 2 more episodes after that and that isnt enough time to finalize on the war. There is some parts from some of the recent mangas I remember that still need to come into play and boy I am excited cause it introduces two new titans but I wont name them to avoid spoilers to the people who only watch the anime.
      
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    • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      penguinluver-can you please explain what u mean?

      I mean everything past this arc just consistently decreases in quality in terms of writing. SPOILER: The basement reveal was extremely dissapointing and the Marley arc was absolute garbage. The last arc is slightly better but still way too much political mumbo jumbo instead of Titans, aka what this series is supposed to be about

      My big fear about the anime was the day it would reach this point in the manga, and as of this episode, it's about to come true. This is the point where Attack on Titan starts dying a slow death, shifting into something that is, to be frank, extremely boring and at times very insulting. I always knew that because of that, this would be the last season of the anime I watch so that I could still remember when the series was good instead of all the crap we got after this.

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    • what exactly do you want to happen?

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    • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      what exactly do you want to happen?

      SPOILER: Honestly I would love nothing more than for everything past this point to be completely retconned and scrapped, THAT is how much I hate what the series has become. But since that is unlikely going to happen I would have wanted something along the lines of the basement containing a cure to Titanism or something a little more supernatural since that was what it was originally leading towards. The whole WW2-era theme is just crap that doesn't fit with the original 'humans vs Titans' survival horror vibe. Anything at this point may as well be better than the Marley stuff.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      what exactly do you want to happen?
      SPOILER: Honestly I would love nothing more than for everything past this point to be completely retconned and scrapped, THAT is how much I hate what the series has become. But since that is unlikely going to happen I would have wanted something along the lines of the basement containing a cure to Titanism or something a little more supernatural since that was what it was originally leading towards. The whole WW2-era theme is just crap that doesn't fit with the original 'humans vs Titans' survival horror vibe. Anything at this point may as well be better than the Marley stuff.

      So that's why you think it declined in quality?! Because it lacked supernatural elements? Look I admit that AoT is going to a direction we all didn't expect but its only because we already headimg into the endgame close to the end and all good things need to come to a end eventually. I don't see what is wrong with that?

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    • I did like the Eren & Mikasa reminiscing about through the streets of Shiganshina to their house. It gives off "where it all began" that sort of vibe. That was all well done. Now we get into why all this started, and where the series takes a different direction to where fans say it's gone bad or not as good.

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      yeah I see what you mean penguinluver

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      what exactly do you want to happen?
      SPOILER: Honestly I would love nothing more than for everything past this point to be completely retconned and scrapped, THAT is how much I hate what the series has become. But since that is unlikely going to happen I would have wanted something along the lines of the basement containing a cure to Titanism or something a little more supernatural since that was what it was originally leading towards. The whole WW2-era theme is just crap that doesn't fit with the original 'humans vs Titans' survival horror vibe. Anything at this point may as well be better than the Marley stuff.

      SPOILER: Finding a cure for Titanism has never been a promised made by the manga or Isayama about what we'd find in the basement. It has always been something the fans wanted. And what else would you have wanted about the basement revelation? What "better" explanation would you have given for the following points: - The first king needing to summon hundreds of wall Titans to create the walls, while the only danger we know of before the basement are a few "small" pure Titans? With such a power, he would have simply controled those "small" pure Titans to get rid of them, no need to put humanity in a cage. And the ennemy shifters are out of question, considering that with the first king's power, he would have simply get some wall Titans destroy them and that would be over. - Why would the first king erase the memories of the citizens if humanity has really been destroyed? The point of erazing their memories was to prevent them from going to a revenge-war against Marley (and eventually the rest of the world). - If Grisha had a way to cure titanism, why not giving it once he had it? That would have saved thousands of lives.  - Why is the former government trying to eliminate everything related to the outside world? Because it's orders from the true Reiss king that simply doesn't want the people from the walls to go for a revenge-war against Marley. - Why Titans only come from the south region and not the northern region?  We might giving more and more arguments, but the point is that the basement revelations were planed since the begining, maybe not in every details, but at least in the great lines. Tho, I respect your opinion about not liking the two lasts arcs, but saying that they're garbage is nothing but the result of you not liking the revelations, but in terms of writing they're as good as the previous arcs, even better for some parts (every arc has its up and downs of course, I'm not trying to say this story is perfect).

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    • I can't help feeling that Wit shot themselves in the foot with this one, considering some of the anime-only comments I've been reading elsewhere. The basement reveal that humanity had not perished was a big shock when I read it in the manga, because Ymir's flashback about how she became a Titan happens later on, only after going to the basement.

      But at this point the anime-only audience has already seen that there's a civilization outside the Walls. Ymir came from there. The fact humanity exists outside the Walls in large numbers was revealed back in Season 2, and though Ymir didn't tell the characters the details of her story (because that would have derailed the plot), the audience already knows there's a thriving world outside, so the result in this episode is that only the characters are surprised.

      It's been a while since we had an episode that primarily draws from a single chapter, and you could tell, because the plot is very thin (that might be the shortest wiki episode summary I've written this spring). There was a lot of padding, and while I don't think it was disruptive, I was very aware it was there, and at the end of it they still had to pull from the start of the next chapter.

      Also, flashback Erwin sounds hilariously too much like older Erwin rather than a teenager. Nile's VA does a much better job of de-aging his voice.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      what exactly do you want to happen?
      SPOILER: Honestly I would love nothing more than for everything past this point to be completely retconned and scrapped, THAT is how much I hate what the series has become. But since that is unlikely going to happen I would have wanted something along the lines of the basement containing a cure to Titanism or something a little more supernatural since that was what it was originally leading towards. The whole WW2-era theme is just crap that doesn't fit with the original 'humans vs Titans' survival horror vibe. Anything at this point may as well be better than the Marley stuff.

      So that's why you think it declined in quality?! Because it lacked supernatural elements? Look I admit that AoT is going to a direction we all didn't expect but its only because we already headimg into the endgame close to the end and all good things need to come to a end eventually. I don't see what is wrong with that?

      How is this the beginning of the Endgame when the Manga is 3 years ahead lmao…

      Endgame isn't even close...

      Also every YouTube comment section i've ever seen about the basement is like "anime watchers have no idea what's in store for them" "ppl gonna lose their shit!"

      I wonder if the reveal is really that good… I can't imagine it being that insane (haven't seen episode yet..)

      I mean… What can be in there and reveal in one episode that will blow ppl away… Sometimes i think the manga readers blow stuff way out of proportion...

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    • WhiteOni wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      what exactly do you want to happen?
      SPOILER: Honestly I would love nothing more than for everything past this point to be completely retconned and scrapped, THAT is how much I hate what the series has become. But since that is unlikely going to happen I would have wanted something along the lines of the basement containing a cure to Titanism or something a little more supernatural since that was what it was originally leading towards. The whole WW2-era theme is just crap that doesn't fit with the original 'humans vs Titans' survival horror vibe. Anything at this point may as well be better than the Marley stuff.
      So that's why you think it declined in quality?! Because it lacked supernatural elements? Look I admit that AoT is going to a direction we all didn't expect but its only because we already headimg into the endgame close to the end and all good things need to come to a end eventually. I don't see what is wrong with that?
      How is this the beginning of the Endgame when the Manga is 3 years ahead lmao…

      Endgame isn't even close...

      Also every YouTube comment section i've ever seen about the basement is like "anime watchers have no idea what's in store for them" "ppl gonna lose their shit!"

      I wonder if the reveal is really that good… I can't imagine it being that insane (haven't seen episode yet..)

      I mean… What can be in there and reveal in one episode that will blow ppl away… Sometimes i think the manga readers blow stuff way out of proportion...

      Yeah I'm fairly positive that's gonna be the overall vibe of anime-onlines. They're gonna be disappointed in the genre change and the lack of everything that made the anime great. Manga readers really do overhype the basement reveal when it is, in actuality, quite underwhelming. Which is a shame, because the anime before that was great, now it's just gonna be another 'meh' show that won't even be memorable years from now.

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    • I know you don't like the turn the series made, Penguin, but Attack on Titan is still far from "meh." It's consistently one of the top-selling manga in Japan. You don't land on a bestsellers list on the backs of a disinterested or disillusioned fanbase. There are a lot of people still enjoying the storyline.

      When the Uprising arc came out people said "Oh, the series went downhill after that" and then other people said "Return to Shiganshina is my favorite arc!" Both statements can't be true. What they are, are true for different people.

      I thought the basement reveal was fantastic when I first read it, because I figured that humanity outside the Walls was living in remote villages and towns where the Titans couldn't get to them. I was picturing fragments of a civilization, not a thriving one. SPOILER: And I am completely fine with the genre changes. I liked Uprising for the political arc, and I like the Marley arc for showing us the other side of the war. Those two are my favorites.

      Obviously we disagree on what we find enjoyable, but you post as though your POV is the only sensible conclusion and seems to ignore that there are a lot of people who love the upcoming content. Should the series continue into Season 4 within a year or two, I think the viewership drop off from S3 to S4 will actually be less than from S1 to S2 (which had to deal with a four year gap).

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    • RuneLai wrote:
      I know you don't like the turn the series made, Penguin, but Attack on Titan is still far from "meh." It's consistently one of the top-selling manga in Japan. You don't land on a bestsellers list on the backs of a disinterested or disillusioned fanbase. There are a lot of people still enjoying the storyline.

      When the Uprising arc came out people said "Oh, the series went downhill after that" and then other people said "Return to Shiganshina is my favorite arc!" Both statements can't be true. What they are, are true for different people.

      I thought the basement reveal was fantastic when I first read it, because I figured that humanity outside the Walls was living in remote villages and towns where the Titans couldn't get to them. I was picturing fragments of a civilization, not a thriving one. SPOILER: And I am completely fine with the genre changes. I liked Uprising for the political arc, and I like the Marley arc for showing us the other side of the war. Those two are my favorites.

      Obviously we disagree on what we find enjoyable, but you post as though your POV is the only sensible conclusion and seems to ignore that there are a lot of people who love the upcoming content. Should the series continue into Season 4 within a year or two, I think the viewership drop off from S3 to S4 will actually be less than from S1 to S2 (which had to deal with a four year gap).

      SPOILER: But in no way is Marley arc onward anywhere near as good as the original story, it completely lacks the things that made the series great; Titan involvenemt is greatly decreased, too much politics, forcing us to empathize with characters that I don't give a rats ass about...and that's just the next ten chapters.

      I've already seen a handful of people in my social circle drop the anime once they had the basement reveal onward spoiled for them. It's not the masterpiece people think it is, and the anime really isn't going to get much better after this.

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      SPOILER: But in no way is Marley arc onward anywhere near as good as the original story, it completely lacks the things that made the series great; Titan involvenemt is greatly decreased, too much politics, forcing us to empathize with characters that I don't give a rats ass about...and that's just the next ten chapters.

      I've already seen a handful of people in my social circle drop the anime once they had the basement reveal onward spoiled for them. It's not the masterpiece people think it is, and the anime really isn't going to get much better after this.

      You don't like it, we got it, but it's only your opinion, and it doesn't prevail over others opinion. You call it "meh", "garbage", just because you don't like they way it went, but it doesn't mean it's worse than before. It's different. All those revelations were planed since the begining, and if you find better explanations to the plot stuff I've evocated earlier, tell me, because I've never seen a fan theory being as consistent as those revelations, that totally make sense.

      Every story has its imperfections, and some people might like a story, others will call it a "masterpiece", and others will say that's it's pure garbage, it's mainly a matter of opinion. Objectively, there are no story that could be called a masterpiece, because there are always people who criticize it, pointing out the inconsistences. 

      SPOILER: I enjoyed Marley arc and I enjoy the current arc. And you don't like the current arcs for being too politics, well, AoT has always been about politics (aka the basement revelations planed since the begining, Armin in the very first chapter hinting us with the upcoming politics plots by mentionning the fact that the government tried to stop every interest about the oustide world, Eren's trial, the discovery of the Wall Titans, the cult, Uprising arc, Marley arc and current arc). The only parts that can be a bit separated from politics are some of the action parts (Trost, Shiganshina, forst of giant trees), but they're still linked to politics. Yes, at the begining, politics weren't as present as they currenty are, but they were still here. In terms of writing, the Marley and current arcs are still very consistent (I didn't say without imperfections), regardless of the fact that you don't like it

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    • OK so, I have't read any manga, so I'm going completely off the series, but I put a few things together which I'm not sure of and wanted an opinion? Firstly, most characters have German names, except Mikasa really but they say she comes from a different part of the world anyway (Asia I'd guess). In 'The Basement' there's the flashback of Grisha as a kid and him and his sisters wear those bands. It seems a lot like the bands the Jews used to have to wear during WWII, and seeing how everyone's name is Germanic, could it mean that the present life within the walls is a result of WWII? Or id it has anything to do with the Nazis? If anyone knows answers to this just hit me with a 'yes' or 'no', without any spoiling. Anyways, overall I'm loving the direction it's taking, it makes it really interesting and relatable to a more real society I think.

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    • Psychosis013 wrote:
      OK so, I have't read any manga, so I'm going completely off the series, but I put a few things together which I'm not sure of and wanted an opinion? Firstly, most characters have German names, except Mikasa really but they say she comes from a different part of the world anyway (Asia I'd guess). In 'The Basement' there's the flashback of Grisha as a kid and him and his sisters wear those bands. It seems a lot like the bands the Jews used to have to wear during WWII, and seeing how everyone's name is Germanic, could it mean that the present life within the walls is a result of WWII? Or id it has anything to do with the Nazis? If anyone knows answers to this just hit me with a 'yes' or 'no', without any spoiling. Anyways, overall I'm loving the direction it's taking, it makes it really interesting and relatable to a more real society I think.

      First thing: I won't say if you're right or not, but you're theory is consistent, regardless of it being true or not.

      For Mikasa, it is said in the sixth episode of the first season that she's from a region named "Asia", so there is no spoiler here, it's something revealed a long time ago. At the time, from the viewers point of view, it just meant that some Asian managed to escape Titans and lived inside the walls with the remaining survivors of humanity.

      - The life within the walls is a result of WWII? No

      - Or it has anything to do with the Nazis? No. No nazi in SnK.

      Basically, in the next episode, you'll have the explanations for your questions, most of them at least. You'll understand in the great lines the "truth about this world" (the details will be developped in season 4). 

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    • Razzylada wrote:
      Psychosis013 wrote:
      OK so, I have't read any manga, so I'm going completely off the series, but I put a few things together which I'm not sure of and wanted an opinion? Firstly, most characters have German names, except Mikasa really but they say she comes from a different part of the world anyway (Asia I'd guess). In 'The Basement' there's the flashback of Grisha as a kid and him and his sisters wear those bands. It seems a lot like the bands the Jews used to have to wear during WWII, and seeing how everyone's name is Germanic, could it mean that the present life within the walls is a result of WWII? Or id it has anything to do with the Nazis? If anyone knows answers to this just hit me with a 'yes' or 'no', without any spoiling. Anyways, overall I'm loving the direction it's taking, it makes it really interesting and relatable to a more real society I think.
      First thing: I won't say if you're right or not, but you're theory is consistent, regardless of it being true or not.

      For Mikasa, it is said in the sixth episode of the first season that she's from a region named "Asia", so there is no spoiler here, it's something revealed a long time ago. At the time, from the viewers point of view, it just meant that some Asian managed to escape Titans and lived inside the walls with the remaining survivors of humanity.

      - The life within the walls is a result of WWII? No

      - Or it has anything to do with the Nazis? No. No nazi in SnK.

      Basically, in the next episode, you'll have the explanations for your questions, most of them at least. You'll understand in the great lines the "truth about this world" (the details will be developped in season 4). 

      SPOILER: No Nazi's in SnK? The what does that make Marley? Or are we going back to that "oooh they're not EVIL just misunderstood' crap again? We really gonna pretend Marley is the victim in all of this when they are singlehandedly responsible for all the tragedies the main characters have had to endure?

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    • I think the AoT story is still amazing, but I have to admit I was feeling like Penguinluver when the basement was revealed.  The survival horror aspect was so good. Why change that up so dramatically. But once more stuff got revealed in the manga, it felt more like an evolultion of the story and I started to enjoy it once again.

      But why did they have Ymir's flashback all the way in Season 2? That kind of spoiled it for the anime watchers. And I didn't like that they had Nile's conversation about Erwin's humanity-beyond-the-walls-survived theory mentioned right before Grisha narrating the photo with "humanity has not perished..."

      But overall, it was a great episode. It was beautifully animated, the music was on point, and I loved how they portrayed young Grisha and Faye.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Razzylada wrote:
      Psychosis013 wrote:
      OK so, I have't read any manga, so I'm going completely off the series, but I put a few things together which I'm not sure of and wanted an opinion? Firstly, most characters have German names, except Mikasa really but they say she comes from a different part of the world anyway (Asia I'd guess). In 'The Basement' there's the flashback of Grisha as a kid and him and his sisters wear those bands. It seems a lot like the bands the Jews used to have to wear during WWII, and seeing how everyone's name is Germanic, could it mean that the present life within the walls is a result of WWII? Or id it has anything to do with the Nazis? If anyone knows answers to this just hit me with a 'yes' or 'no', without any spoiling. Anyways, overall I'm loving the direction it's taking, it makes it really interesting and relatable to a more real society I think.
      First thing: I won't say if you're right or not, but you're theory is consistent, regardless of it being true or not.

      For Mikasa, it is said in the sixth episode of the first season that she's from a region named "Asia", so there is no spoiler here, it's something revealed a long time ago. At the time, from the viewers point of view, it just meant that some Asian managed to escape Titans and lived inside the walls with the remaining survivors of humanity.

      - The life within the walls is a result of WWII? No

      - Or it has anything to do with the Nazis? No. No nazi in SnK.

      Basically, in the next episode, you'll have the explanations for your questions, most of them at least. You'll understand in the great lines the "truth about this world" (the details will be developped in season 4). 

      SPOILER: No Nazi's in SnK? The what does that make Marley? Or are we going back to that "oooh they're not EVIL just misunderstood' crap again? We really gonna pretend Marley is the victim in all of this when they are singlehandedly responsible for all the tragedies the main characters have had to endure?
      SPOILER: Well you don't have to like Marley because yes they did do all that evil shit and subject their people horrible mistreatment & ideologies but not all people in Marely are the same (that's excluding the Eldians) take Magath for example. However understand where it all comes from, where the oppressed becomes the oppressor & vice-versa
      
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    • YSL Slime wrote:
      I think the AoT story is still amazing, but I have to admit I was feeling like Penguinluver when the basement was revealed.  The survival horror aspect was so good. Why change that up so dramatically. But once more stuff got revealed in the manga, it felt more like an evolultion of the story and I started to enjoy it once again.

      But why did they have Ymir's flashback all the way in Season 2? That kind of spoiled it for the anime watchers. And I didn't like that they had Nile's conversation about Erwin's humanity-beyond-the-walls-survived theory mentioned right before Grisha narrating the photo with "humanity has not perished..."

      But overall, it was a great episode. It was beautifully animated, the music was on point, and I loved how they portrayed young Grisha and Faye.

      Also back in season 2 Reiner & Bertolt me tioned their "homeland" so that kinda revealed things.

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    • RuneLai wrote:
      I know you don't like the turn the series made, Penguin, but Attack on Titan is still far from "meh." It's consistently one of the top-selling manga in Japan. You don't land on a bestsellers list on the backs of a disinterested or disillusioned fanbase. There are a lot of people still enjoying the storyline.

      When the Uprising arc came out people said "Oh, the series went downhill after that" and then other people said "Return to Shiganshina is my favorite arc!" Both statements can't be true. What they are, are true for different people.

      I thought the basement reveal was fantastic when I first read it, because I figured that humanity outside the Walls was living in remote villages and towns where the Titans couldn't get to them. I was picturing fragments of a civilization, not a thriving one. SPOILER: And I am completely fine with the genre changes. I liked Uprising for the political arc, and I like the Marley arc for showing us the other side of the war. Those two are my favorites.

      Obviously we disagree on what we find enjoyable, but you post as though your POV is the only sensible conclusion and seems to ignore that there are a lot of people who love the upcoming content. Should the series continue into Season 4 within a year or two, I think the viewership drop off from S3 to S4 will actually be less than from S1 to S2 (which had to deal with a four year gap).

      Thank you! At the end of the day it's all subjective & well understandable.  Also I don't there will be season 4 given WIT Studio just given up on it. I think it's just ends there.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Razzylada wrote:
      Psychosis013 wrote:
      OK so, I have't read any manga, so I'm going completely off the series, but I put a few things together which I'm not sure of and wanted an opinion? Firstly, most characters have German names, except Mikasa really but they say she comes from a different part of the world anyway (Asia I'd guess). In 'The Basement' there's the flashback of Grisha as a kid and him and his sisters wear those bands. It seems a lot like the bands the Jews used to have to wear during WWII, and seeing how everyone's name is Germanic, could it mean that the present life within the walls is a result of WWII? Or id it has anything to do with the Nazis? If anyone knows answers to this just hit me with a 'yes' or 'no', without any spoiling. Anyways, overall I'm loving the direction it's taking, it makes it really interesting and relatable to a more real society I think.
      First thing: I won't say if you're right or not, but you're theory is consistent, regardless of it being true or not.

      For Mikasa, it is said in the sixth episode of the first season that she's from a region named "Asia", so there is no spoiler here, it's something revealed a long time ago. At the time, from the viewers point of view, it just meant that some Asian managed to escape Titans and lived inside the walls with the remaining survivors of humanity.

      - The life within the walls is a result of WWII? No

      - Or it has anything to do with the Nazis? No. No nazi in SnK.

      Basically, in the next episode, you'll have the explanations for your questions, most of them at least. You'll understand in the great lines the "truth about this world" (the details will be developped in season 4). 

      SPOILER: No Nazi's in SnK? The what does that make Marley? Or are we going back to that "oooh they're not EVIL just misunderstood' crap again? We really gonna pretend Marley is the victim in all of this when they are singlehandedly responsible for all the tragedies the main characters have had to endure?
      SPOILER: Well you don't have to like Marley because yes they did do all that evil shit and subject their people horrible mistreatment & ideologies but not all people in Marely are the same (that's excluding the Eldians) take Magath for example. However understand where it all comes from, where the oppressed becomes the oppressor & vice-versa

      SPOILER: Had King Fritz allowed his people on Paradis to simply live separately from the world and Marley without being prisoners, none of the current Paradisans would be facing such tragedies. The fact that the First King allowed the continued treatment/imprisonment of his own people shows he is no better than a Marleyan. So no, I don't see why it's 'oppressor becoming oppressed', because the SC and current Walldians never did anything. Marley is the enemy. Period. We need another 'Liberio' massacre real soon, hopefully to the point where they cannot recover and their regime crumbles.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:
      RuneLai wrote:
      I know you don't like the turn the series made, Penguin, but Attack on Titan is still far from "meh." It's consistently one of the top-selling manga in Japan. You don't land on a bestsellers list on the backs of a disinterested or disillusioned fanbase. There are a lot of people still enjoying the storyline.

      When the Uprising arc came out people said "Oh, the series went downhill after that" and then other people said "Return to Shiganshina is my favorite arc!" Both statements can't be true. What they are, are true for different people.

      I thought the basement reveal was fantastic when I first read it, because I figured that humanity outside the Walls was living in remote villages and towns where the Titans couldn't get to them. I was picturing fragments of a civilization, not a thriving one. SPOILER: And I am completely fine with the genre changes. I liked Uprising for the political arc, and I like the Marley arc for showing us the other side of the war. Those two are my favorites.

      Obviously we disagree on what we find enjoyable, but you post as though your POV is the only sensible conclusion and seems to ignore that there are a lot of people who love the upcoming content. Should the series continue into Season 4 within a year or two, I think the viewership drop off from S3 to S4 will actually be less than from S1 to S2 (which had to deal with a four year gap).

      Thank you! At the end of the day it's all subjective & well understandable.  Also I don't there will be season 4 given WIT Studio just given up on it. I think it's just ends there.

      Honestly that's okay with me. SPOILER: I already know I'm not going to enjoy watching Marley arc be animated. MAYBE the last arc, but only certain parts of it, so IF there is any more anime after this season I'll probably skip the Marley episodes and pick out some from the current arc that I actually do enjoy. Or at least don't have overwhelming complaints about.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Tdfern14 wrote:
      RuneLai wrote:
      I know you don't like the turn the series made, Penguin, but Attack on Titan is still far from "meh." It's consistently one of the top-selling manga in Japan. You don't land on a bestsellers list on the backs of a disinterested or disillusioned fanbase. There are a lot of people still enjoying the storyline.

      When the Uprising arc came out people said "Oh, the series went downhill after that" and then other people said "Return to Shiganshina is my favorite arc!" Both statements can't be true. What they are, are true for different people.

      I thought the basement reveal was fantastic when I first read it, because I figured that humanity outside the Walls was living in remote villages and towns where the Titans couldn't get to them. I was picturing fragments of a civilization, not a thriving one. SPOILER: And I am completely fine with the genre changes. I liked Uprising for the political arc, and I like the Marley arc for showing us the other side of the war. Those two are my favorites.

      Obviously we disagree on what we find enjoyable, but you post as though your POV is the only sensible conclusion and seems to ignore that there are a lot of people who love the upcoming content. Should the series continue into Season 4 within a year or two, I think the viewership drop off from S3 to S4 will actually be less than from S1 to S2 (which had to deal with a four year gap).

      Thank you! At the end of the day it's all subjective & well understandable.  Also I don't there will be season 4 given WIT Studio just given up on it. I think it's just ends there.
      Honestly that's okay with me. SPOILER: I already know I'm not going to enjoy watching Marley arc be animated. MAYBE the last arc, but only certain parts of it, so IF there is any more anime after this season I'll probably skip the Marley episodes and pick out some from the current arc that I actually do enjoy. Or at least don't have overwhelming complaints about.
      SPOILER: well that much is clear. Although possibly, they could change some stuff for season 4 to make it much different & a little better
      

      And honestly sorry if I came out like a asshat to you, you have A right to your opinion. I am not changing your mind of what you like or don't like, but I was trying convince you to look at it from a rather objective lens, if that make sense? I may disagree with you but I am not trying to hold a grudge against or anything.  

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Razzylada wrote:
      Psychosis013 wrote:
      OK so, I have't read any manga, so I'm going completely off the series, but I put a few things together which I'm not sure of and wanted an opinion? Firstly, most characters have German names, except Mikasa really but they say she comes from a different part of the world anyway (Asia I'd guess). In 'The Basement' there's the flashback of Grisha as a kid and him and his sisters wear those bands. It seems a lot like the bands the Jews used to have to wear during WWII, and seeing how everyone's name is Germanic, could it mean that the present life within the walls is a result of WWII? Or id it has anything to do with the Nazis? If anyone knows answers to this just hit me with a 'yes' or 'no', without any spoiling. Anyways, overall I'm loving the direction it's taking, it makes it really interesting and relatable to a more real society I think.
      First thing: I won't say if you're right or not, but you're theory is consistent, regardless of it being true or not.

      For Mikasa, it is said in the sixth episode of the first season that she's from a region named "Asia", so there is no spoiler here, it's something revealed a long time ago. At the time, from the viewers point of view, it just meant that some Asian managed to escape Titans and lived inside the walls with the remaining survivors of humanity.

      - The life within the walls is a result of WWII? No

      - Or it has anything to do with the Nazis? No. No nazi in SnK.

      Basically, in the next episode, you'll have the explanations for your questions, most of them at least. You'll understand in the great lines the "truth about this world" (the details will be developped in season 4). 

      SPOILER: No Nazi's in SnK? The what does that make Marley? Or are we going back to that "oooh they're not EVIL just misunderstood' crap again? We really gonna pretend Marley is the victim in all of this when they are singlehandedly responsible for all the tragedies the main characters have had to endure?

      SPOILER: And? They're not nazis. Of course, parallels can be made, I never said the contrary. He asked: "Are there nazis in SnK?" No. Marleyans are not nazis and prior to them, Eldians weren't nazis either. They're different groups, sometimes with similar methodes. I wanted to answer to him "No nazis, but there are similarities with them", but as he asked for a "Yes or No" answer, I just answered with a "Yes or No". If someone beheads someone else because of a different opinion, does that make him an ISIS fighter? No, but there are similar methods and we can do parallels. Same here. Of course, Marley imprisons Eldians and considers them as inferior people, they're far from being defensible for their actions. However, do they destroy the Jews? No, no jews in this world. Do they promote some "Aryan race"? No, there is no "Aryan race", and Marley doesn't even promote a "race". 

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:
      YSL Slime wrote:
      I think the AoT story is still amazing, but I have to admit I was feeling like Penguinluver when the basement was revealed.  The survival horror aspect was so good. Why change that up so dramatically. But once more stuff got revealed in the manga, it felt more like an evolultion of the story and I started to enjoy it once again.

      But why did they have Ymir's flashback all the way in Season 2? That kind of spoiled it for the anime watchers. And I didn't like that they had Nile's conversation about Erwin's humanity-beyond-the-walls-survived theory mentioned right before Grisha narrating the photo with "humanity has not perished..."

      But overall, it was a great episode. It was beautifully animated, the music was on point, and I loved how they portrayed young Grisha and Faye.

      Also back in season 2 Reiner & Bertolt me tioned their "homeland" so that kinda revealed things.

      True, but I always figured that their homeland was some tribe of titans that lived in the wilderness. Considering they referred to themselves as "warriors" I thought maybe it was some primitive warrior culture. 



      How do you do spoiler tags by the way?

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    • YSL Slime wrote:

      True, but I always figured that their homeland was some tribe of titans that lived in the wilderness. Considering they referred to themselves as "warriors" I thought maybe it was some primitive warrior culture. 



      How do you do spoiler tags by the way?

      Well, at the time, I think there was a theory naming their "homeland" "The Village", which would be a village/town/city, maybe with a better technology that the one we found within the walls.

      For the spoilers tag, it's shown on the first message of this topic:

      Edit: On my first try, when posted the message, well, the "spoiler" stuff worked... Even if I tried to make it in order so it doesn't appear... So please reffer to the first message of this topic x), because no matter what I try, my explication will be "destroyed" by the fact that it works...

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Tdfern14 wrote:
      RuneLai wrote:
      I know you don't like the turn the series made, Penguin, but Attack on Titan is still far from "meh." It's consistently one of the top-selling manga in Japan. You don't land on a bestsellers list on the backs of a disinterested or disillusioned fanbase. There are a lot of people still enjoying the storyline.

      When the Uprising arc came out people said "Oh, the series went downhill after that" and then other people said "Return to Shiganshina is my favorite arc!" Both statements can't be true. What they are, are true for different people.

      I thought the basement reveal was fantastic when I first read it, because I figured that humanity outside the Walls was living in remote villages and towns where the Titans couldn't get to them. I was picturing fragments of a civilization, not a thriving one. SPOILER: And I am completely fine with the genre changes. I liked Uprising for the political arc, and I like the Marley arc for showing us the other side of the war. Those two are my favorites.

      Obviously we disagree on what we find enjoyable, but you post as though your POV is the only sensible conclusion and seems to ignore that there are a lot of people who love the upcoming content. Should the series continue into Season 4 within a year or two, I think the viewership drop off from S3 to S4 will actually be less than from S1 to S2 (which had to deal with a four year gap).

      Thank you! At the end of the day it's all subjective & well understandable.  Also I don't there will be season 4 given WIT Studio just given up on it. I think it's just ends there.
      Honestly that's okay with me. SPOILER: I already know I'm not going to enjoy watching Marley arc be animated. MAYBE the last arc, but only certain parts of it, so IF there is any more anime after this season I'll probably skip the Marley episodes and pick out some from the current arc that I actually do enjoy. Or at least don't have overwhelming complaints about.
      SPOILER: well that much is clear. Although possibly, they could change some stuff for season 4 to make it much different & a little better

      And honestly sorry if I came out like a asshat to you, you have A right to your opinion. I am not changing your mind of what you like or don't like, but I was trying convince you to look at it from a rather objective lens, if that make sense? I may disagree with you but I am not trying to hold a grudge against or anything.  

      SPOILER: I've already tried looking through the 'objective lens' in the past, but the "other side" is of no interest to me. So the way I see it, Paradis and Eldians, good. Marleyans and Warriors, evil incarnate. Hence, why I want the Rumbling to happen. I just REALLY hate when people pretend the Warriors are innocent/brainwashed/did nothing wrong when they're just as monstrous and irredeemable as their oppressors.

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    • This was by far the worst episode of the entire show.

      Literally NOTHING interesting happened until the final 5 minutes.

      The episode felt shorter than usual…

      And the animation.. Oh god... The entire studio took some time off and let a couple of interns do it? Cuz it was laughable… Terrible animation and art... Damn…

      Hope alot of questions will be answered by the end of the season like alot of the l33t manga readers claim...

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