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    • The chapter itself was good, but it really worries me about the upcoming chapters.

      There are lots of theories about some timeloop, or time travel (like Eren being the Devil that gave Ymir her powers, making an infinite timeloop), that would be something that I hate. And when I see how many people dislike this kind of stuff in a story (except if the story has always been about that), I'm wondering why so many theories about time travel and time loops are still there. 

      This reminds me GoT, after Hold the door, dozens of theories about time travel and time loops emerged, and I'm glad it didn't happen. Same situation here, I see lot of theories, and I guess that with these chapters, there will be even more, but I hope it won't go further than Eren influencing Grisha into killing the Reiss family. Technically speaking, that wasn't time travel at all, but it's very similar in its representation/interpretation. But whatever this is, I really hope Isayama won't end with "Eren being the Devil that gave Ymir her power" or something like that. That would be too cliche, and I guess that many would hate such a thing. Stories that have been destroyed because they introduced time travel and time loops is litterally a cliché of "how to ruin your story". Seeing Gaby killing Levi, Armin, Mikasa, Hansi, Connie and Jean would still be a better thing than all this "time travel/time-loop" stuff.  

      About the chapter itself, I have questions about how Grisha managed to touch Zeke. That he saw Eren and Zeke is a thing, but having a physical contact? How?

      Also, Eren destroying his hands to get out of his chains is pretty brutal. I like it. I guess that in the anime it'll be more suggested than seen, as they always do (tho I don't really understand their censorship, it seems contradictory sometimes). It's interesting to see that in the Path world, they can be injured, but will it have an effect on their real world bodies? I don't think so.

      Also, I'm glad to see that we didn't get some memory that would make Zeke renounce his purpose. I'm glad that it wasn't even Eren's will, he knew that he wouldn't convinced his brother. I like the "back to the Path worlds" with Eren being like "Oh wait bro, you didn't see me eating dad!". 

      I like Eren re-using words of Kruger ("This is the story that you started") to force his father to kill the Reiss family.

      About the Attack Titan's power,the ability to "foresee the future", it's probably what happened with Kruger when he talked about Armin and Mikasa. Tho, he didn't really understood what he saw, and I guess this is what happens every time: they just randomly receive memories they can't understand, and nothing more. When Eren kissed Historia's hand, he received the memories from himself watching past events... Isayama did well in hiding this until now. This explains a lot about Eren new personnality, and who knows what else he might have seen? 

      PS: Will the paper version will cost more than usual XD? Because with this chapter and the previous one, lots of ink will be used to print them, more than usual chapters XD

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    • Even after all this, Zeke thinks he's in the right?

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    • Really loved this chapter. The way Grisha was able to speak to Zeke and apologize to him for how he mistreated him was very nice, and I'm glad to know that Zeke got that closure. He actually called Grisha "dad", and kept doing it a few more times until he resumed calling him Grisha.

      What I also like is how even Grisha has come to see that Eren goes down a darker path, and attempts to reach out to his first son to stop him. Although I'm not sure exactly what Eren is going to do or what his overall objective is, whether it be unleashing all of the Wall Titans like the First King threatened the world with or something else, it's clear to me that Eren has become to desensitized to the deaths of others, as well as his friends and family. 

      Now, some questions I have are how Grisha was able to see Zeke: is it because the Attack Titan's future memory inheritance ability somehow allowed him to see those who are in the Coordinate land, and if that's the case, is it just unique to the Attack Titan or all subjects of Ymir? Or did Grisha simply know where Zeke would be based on the memories he acquired from Eren?

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    • Did Attack on Titan just go Inception on us? XD XD XD

      So he got the Reiss and Ackerman families killed? Not only is that a terrible twist, that's definitely one of my least favorite chapters in a long while. Sorry but there's just so much wrong with implying Eren did all of that. What's the point of it anyway? XP

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    • SunWarriorAsahi wrote:
      Did Attack on Titan just go Inception on us? XD XD XD

      So he got the Reiss and Ackerman families killed? Not only is that a terrible twist, that's definitely one of my least favorite chapters in a long while. Sorry but there's just so much wrong with implying Eren did all of that. What's the point of it anyway? XP

      Eren never got the Ackerman family killed. It would have be shown otherwise. We only saw Grisha discovering the bodies of the three robbers, along with Eren and Zeke, but that the aftermath of the event, and Eren didn't impact anything here. His only role was about the death of the Reiss family.

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    • Razzylada wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote:
      Did Attack on Titan just go Inception on us? XD XD XD

      So he got the Reiss and Ackerman families killed? Not only is that a terrible twist, that's definitely one of my least favorite chapters in a long while. Sorry but there's just so much wrong with implying Eren did all of that. What's the point of it anyway? XP

      Eren never got the Ackerman family killed. It would have be shown otherwise. We only saw Grisha discovering the bodies of the three robbers, along with Eren and Zeke, but that the aftermath of the event, and Eren didn't impact anything here. His only role was about the death of the Reiss family.

      Fair enough but even then I am so not behind this, and I am so not behind Eren if this is his game. I just find it nonsensical that Eren had this much influence over so much of what we've so far seen. Wonder what Historia would have to say about all this, even if her family was horrible to her, minus Frieda. XP

      Never was a big Eren fan, lol. I don't think this chapter did him any favors. I think Yams should just get to the point because this is kind of a useless development. There's still a war going on isn't there? And the Coordinate, that's important. This though, this is just dumb XD

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    • Okay I am a little bit baffled here. I can understand somewhat that Eren can see the future because of his Titan ability (although I'd be lying to myself if I didn't said this whole time travel & effecting the past didn't confused the hell out of me), although what was the deal of the Grisha seeing Zeke and saying to stop Eren? But it did gave insight Eren & this whole "Paths" thing is capable of, and gave some insight into Grisha's psyche on the whole dilemma.

      Although the only thing I can take away from this chapter, a repeat down memory lane that took up almost a whole chunk of this whole chapter.

      I am worried though if this will lead to more confusing time travel b.s. like go all Matrix or Evangelion on our asses, but I doubt Isayama will go that far, presumably.

      Lastly will Eren even stop Ymir (the ghost girl) because I don't think if he will? Either A) stop her right in time), or B) bigger twist he can't stop her becoming he will just go through her because she is a ghost.

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    • He's a Beast! I call him Eren.~

      This was a suitably dark chapter. I admit, after the last chapter's ending, I'd half-expected some overtly idealistic conclusion or follow up, but this really surprised me. Eren was a real monster in this chapter (in all the right ways). In a way, everything he did is still Eren, but there's also, at the same time, some added depth.

      I have to disagree with a previous comment that Eren is disensetized to the death of others. He cried when Sasha died, the whole reason he talked to Reiner was because he'd been hesitating at the thought of killing innocent civilians and hoped to find the resolve through him, and we all saw him try to stop Zeke from using his scream. Sure, he's way calmer and more controlled than before, and his ability to hide his emotions is better than most, but he's neither heartless or an emotionless machine.

      I'm glad we FINALLY got the long-awaited answer to the most anticipated question of the recent years: the Attack Titan's power. At the start, like everybody else, I'd thought that the reason Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin was becuase the Paths transcended both space and time. However, it now appears the latter is unique only to the Attack Titan (and Ymir Fritz most likely). In fact, it would explain the first chapter's name, the one saying 'to you, 2000 years from now' being Ymir. Therefore, it's also possible she foresaw the Fritz family's future through the future memories of the Founding Titan successor's. It's also possible she ensured for this exact reason that one of the Nine had that particular power.

      Furthermore, when you look back on everything, it's been hinted at that only Attack Titan wielders had the power to view future memories. In the first chapter, we see exactly that happen to Eren, after which he cried, not knowing why. It also pretty much says that Isayama had planned this since the beginning. True, Eren hadn't been a shifter yet, but the Paths can be pretty flexible from what we've seen, so it's not impossible.

      Another thing of interest is Grisha begging Zeke to stop Eren, saying something terrible would happen. Many, including Zeke, think that Eren is the one that would do something terrible to others, but I find that's wrong. No, most likely, Eren's plan has something terrible happening to Eren himself. Grisha is his father, so it would explain him being so distraught. Furthermore, there was that panel of Eren saying "that scenery" with a longing look in his eyes. Despite Eren's ability to kill innocents, we've never once seen him revel in it. Both during the Liberio attack and in Grisha's memories of the attack on the Reiss family, he was only ever solemn, looking like he wished another VIABLE course had been available, but fully resigned to the fact that there was only the blood-stained path he was walking and unwilling give up because of it.

      When you look at him from multiple perspectives, Eren's a way more complicated and multi-faceted character than most give him credit for, and thsi chapter is one of the few that's especially good at showing it.

      Plus, him tearing off parts of his hands to escape the chains and reach Ymir was badass.

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    • I thought this was a well done chapter with palpable tension, great dialogue, and a couple of fascinating developments making for a fantastic read.

      Pros:

      - The biggest positive this chapter has going for it is that at least for me I found it to be wildly unpredictable and subversive which is something the series hasn't done for me in a long time (not that this is always bad). The big example of this is Zeke getting development in the form of truly understanding his father + learning to love him again but also having his shortsighted ideals reinforced through Eren's violent actions and Grisha's horrified demeanour regarding Eren's future plans. This put a quick end to any kind of redemption for Zeke which is probably for the best. Definitely think Isayama deserves props here for going the hard way rather than the easy one which most writers would.

      - My second positive is the dialogue for this chapter as it was a nice blend of ideological, witty, and horrific which is a tough blend for most writers to balance without creating tonal incoherence but Yams hit it out of the park here.

      - My last positive is that I was genuinely impressed with how dark this chapter was as it actually managed to disturb me with how brutal Eren was and how he basically violated his father's mind into committing a atrocity. The fact that Eren can be easily vindicated for this act also creates a effective moral quagmire and pushes the series into even more impressively grey areas with both Zeke and Eren being potentially morally dubious choices for now.


      Overall thoughts:

      -  This is a really great chapter with everything I like about the series in sharp dialogue, excellently executed twists, dark morally complex subject matter, and a ending that has me on the edge of my seat and thrilled to see where it goes next. I do have some minor issues with the chapter but there heavily dependent on how future chapters deal with the setup here so I didn't feel the need to bring them up.

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    • For me the whole Paths thing is pretty irrelevant. The Coordinate and stopping Ymir from doing as Zeke demands? That's important. Revealing that Eren orchestrated the majority of the series' events? That's really pushing it. I thought Chapter 120 was mostly just filler. So I wasn't too invested in that. I thought that this was unneeded. I'm just a casual viewer but Yams can be pretty ridiculous a lot of the time. XP A time-travel B-plot isn't really critical to this story. Wasn't Jean's nickname for Eren "Suicidal Bastard"? "Bastard" seems sufficient for him. XD And if all of this is to be taken as true, that adds more horror and irony to everybody who died because of and for Eren. Which is hard to stomach.

      For me the only critical scene is Zeke ordering Ymir towards the Coordinate. But that was definitely a chapter to skip. Felt like a twist for the sake of having a twist. And they've already piled up so I think this is one Yams could've taken a pass on. And like I said, this really is just AOT turning into Inception, Eren planting the decision to murder the Reiss family in his own father's head?

      So Eren has that kind of power and yet doesn't use it to save those he's lost? Or even to alter Annie's fate? Bastard, indeed. XD

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    • Ok....well i can see SO many things wrong with this that it hurts my brain!

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    • Heir of Revan wrote: Ok....well i can see SO many things wrong with this that it hurts my brain!

      I'll say. You should've seen Tumblr, pretty much the same reaction. XD

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    • SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Heir of Revan wrote: Ok....well i can see SO many things wrong with this that it hurts my brain!

      I'll say. You should've seen Tumblr, pretty much the same reaction. XD

      Yeah, well, I can accept the fact they're looking through memories. I can accept the fact that MAYBE Ghrisa can see them due to that power of the Attack Titan. But, if you expect me to buy the fact that Eren was manipulating this entire MESS the whole time and Ghrisha WANTS zeke to stop him, when there was no hint of that, NOT HAPPENING.

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    • Heir of Revan wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Heir of Revan wrote: Ok....well i can see SO many things wrong with this that it hurts my brain!

      I'll say. You should've seen Tumblr, pretty much the same reaction. XD

      Yeah, well, I can accept the fact they're looking through memories. I can accept the fact that MAYBE Ghrisa can see them due to that power of the Attack Titan. But, if you expect me to buy the fact that Eren was manipulating this entire MESS the whole time and Ghrisha WANTS zeke to stop him, when there was no hint of that, NOT HAPPENING.

      You should see all the theories flying on Tumblr that Eren knew everything that would happen down to the letter, for the most part, that everything that has happened worked exactly according to his plan or knowledge. And that nonsense including but not limited to Sasha's demise or getting his head blown off was all part of it or convenient to his intentions or whatever.

      Yams is a tricky d***, but I think he may have finally gone too far in his usual outlandishness. This really throws Eren's whole character into deeper question.

      Everyone hates an "OP" character, and this is taking things to a new extreme. I mean it's just so stupid! XD

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    • SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Heir of Revan wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Heir of Revan wrote: Ok....well i can see SO many things wrong with this that it hurts my brain!

      I'll say. You should've seen Tumblr, pretty much the same reaction. XD
      Yeah, well, I can accept the fact they're looking through memories. I can accept the fact that MAYBE Ghrisa can see them due to that power of the Attack Titan. But, if you expect me to buy the fact that Eren was manipulating this entire MESS the whole time and Ghrisha WANTS zeke to stop him, when there was no hint of that, NOT HAPPENING.

      You should see all the theories flying on Tumblr that Eren knew everything that would happen down to the letter, for the most part, that everything that has happened worked exactly according to his plan or knowledge. And that nonsense including but not limited to Sasha's demise or getting his head blown off was all part of it or convenient to his intentions or whatever.

      Yams is a tricky d***, but I think he may have finally gone too far in his usual outlandishness. This really throws Eren's whole character into deeper question.

      Everyone hates an "OP" character, and this is taking things to a new extreme. I mean it's just so stupid! XD

      Stupid with a capital "S"



      besides, I'm pretty sure Eren would NEVER do this and besides, Yams was being a total dick ever since that stupid "curse of ymir" crap

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    • Here's to me being right about what this guy represents, and whoever it was that argued with me, I win the duel!

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    • I think the implication of this chapter is that Eren was working off information he acquired when he touched Historia's hand way back in chapter 88 or 89 and he took the path he felt was best to achieve the future he saw (I assume it was him & Zeke in the paths right when Grisha killed the Reiss family) rather than galaxy braining his way to victory down to the finest detail. For example I doubt a true mastermind would have created a chaotic and poorly assembled faction like the Yeagerists who were so painfully bad at their objective (unite Zeke & Eren) that they nearly got Eren & Zeke killed due to strategic ineptitude in the last fight. I also think that this series hasn't really jumped the shark as everything seen in these last two chapters is clearly in bounds of what the series has done up to this point and was set up 30 + or more chapters in advance (Ex. To you 2000 years from now and Kruger saying "Save Mikasa & Armin") rather than appearing out of nowhere. 

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    • Freeman1378 wrote:
      I think the implication of this chapter is that Eren was working off information he acquired when he touched Historia's hand way back in chapter 88 or 89 and he took the path he felt was best to achieve the future he saw (I assume it was him & Zeke in the paths right when Grisha killed the Reiss family) rather than galaxy braining his way to victory down to the finest detail. For example I doubt a true mastermind would have created a chaotic and poorly assembled faction like the Yeagerists who were so painfully bad at their objective (unite Zeke & Eren) that they nearly got Eren & Zeke killed due to strategic ineptitude in the last fight. I also think that this series hasn't really jumped the shark as everything seen in these last two chapters is clearly in bounds of what the series has done up to this point and was set up 30 + or more chapters in advance (Ex. To you 2000 years from now and Kruger saying "Save Mikasa & Armin") rather than appearing out of nowhere. 

      I will agree that the yeagerists were painfully bad at maintaining themselves as a good organization.

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    • Whalordius TDD wrote: Here's to me being right about what this guy represents, and whoever it was that argued with me, I win the duel!

      LOLwut? XD

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    • Me and some guy argued over what the attack titan represents.

      He said freedom, I said the future.

      This chapter confirmed m belief, so I celebrated

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    • Or does it represent slavery? Is Eren a slave to its will? No one knows that yet! XD

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    • Yo, remember when this was a series about wiping out giant man-eating freaks of nature and not about time travel?

      Dude, what the flying F happened? XP

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    • SunWarriorAsahi wrote: Yo, remember when this was a series about wiping out giant man-eating freaks of nature and not about time travel?

      Dude, what the flying F happened? XP

      It got far better and more complex. Chapters 120-121 are definitely my favorites in the whole series.

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote: Yo, remember when this was a series about wiping out giant man-eating freaks of nature and not about time travel?

      Dude, what the flying F happened? XP

      It got far better and more complex. Chapters 120-121 are definitely my favorites in the whole series.

      Lol hard disagreement there. I thought those were two of the worst. XD

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    • SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote: Yo, remember when this was a series about wiping out giant man-eating freaks of nature and not about time travel?

      Dude, what the flying F happened? XP

      It got far better and more complex. Chapters 120-121 are definitely my favorites in the whole series.

      Lol hard disagreement there. I thought those were two of the worst. XD

      Interesting... well, everyone does have different tastes.

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote: Yo, remember when this was a series about wiping out giant man-eating freaks of nature and not about time travel?

      Dude, what the flying F happened? XP

      It got far better and more complex. Chapters 120-121 are definitely my favorites in the whole series.

      Lol hard disagreement there. I thought those were two of the worst. XD

      Interesting... well, everyone does have different tastes.

      I definitely was not impressed. I'm a casual reader and I found it to be filler. Bloated, overly complex filler. Eren manipulating Zeke to get him to the pasts is one thing but implying everything to happen up to now was all according to Eren's plan, including the murder of the Reiss family feels contrived. DX To me that explanation doesn't solve any purpose. Like I said I ain't a hardcore reader but even if I was....sorry I just shook my head at this one XP

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    • SunWarriorAsahi wrote: I definitely was not impressed. I'm a casual reader and I found it to be filler. Bloated, overly complex filler. Eren manipulating Zeke to get him to the pasts is one thing but implying everything to happen up to now was all according to Eren's plan, including the murder of the Reiss family feels contrived. DX To me that explanation doesn't solve any purpose. Like I said I ain't a hardcore reader but even if I was....sorry I just shook my head at this one XP

      Not to come off as rude, but being a self-labelled "casual reader" might mean you have missed/forgotten some things from past arcs.

      For example, Eren having this type of knowledge of things both past and present has been hinted at multiple times (even going back to chapter 1). We also got hints about the users of the Attack Titan being able to convey information to previous users back in Grisha's flashback with Eren Kruger.

      So, what I'm trying to say is, none of this stuff is contrived. Big time plot twists, sure, but to those paying close attention, there are definitely bread crumbs that have led up to here. The best kind of plot twists work like that. Give you just enough to suspect things, but don't come full circle until the big reveal.

      I'd say it serves the purpose of showing that Eren truly is the centerpiece of this story, and why this story will conclude with him still at the center. I personally think 120-121 are a brilliant piece of storytelling, but again, tastes are different.

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    • But Why is Eren doing all this? Everything... the attack on Marley, Yelena, Zick... going rouge, the war, all that. It always seem like he has a goal. Like how passionate he is. He wants something. Badly. Going as far as to rip his own thumbs off to stop Zeke... But what is it?  

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    • Not sure how the PATHs still work half the time, but I will say a few positive things about this chapter:

      -Though I was still confused, Gabi was a no-show once again, and that's always aces in my book

      -Eren convincing Grisha to slaughter the Reiss family and take the Founding Titan. After seeing their resignation to accepting the "sins" of Eldians, I have a newfound appreciation for what Grisha did, or more specifically what Eren convinced him to do.

      -Sounds like Eren really is going to go through with the Rumbling. Fingers crossed, good sir.

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    • I love what is called a stable time loop. It's the only kind of time travel fiction I can tolerate, because there is no going back in time and "changing" the past, because what happened in the past already happened even if it involved some element of time travel from the future. That is the kind that Chapter 121 uses. (If you don't understand, the comic in the link I added illustrates it pretty well.)

      The stable time loop is nice because it avoids paradoxes. Any "change" is already incorporated into the timeline and it has always existed this way, and I think this was a smart choice on Isayama's part. It also gives Eren a reason to have drastically changed in the time that he has.

      Year 850 Eren got Grisha's memories of Year 854 Eren at the moment he kissed Historia's hand, which happens towards the end of the Return to Shiganshina arc. With Yelena's arrival shortly thereafter in 851, Year 851 Eren would have been able to piece together what he'd seen in the memory he got from Grisha with what was about to happen (allying with Zeke).

      Zeke's correct in that Eren's knowledge is limited, and in fact the Attack Titan's power has only helped Eren send things back (Eren has not received any future knowledge except through Grisha, which falls under the usual being able to see the memory of previous inheritors), which neatly restricts his powers, but what I dislike is that we weren't given most of this back in chapter 90 when Eren originally kissed Historia's hand. It feels like a bit of a cheat, since we get part of it, and since we're in Eren's POV when it happens, we should have gotten the rest of it.

      Obviously the entire thing happens in a moment in real time, but it could have been cool to have bits and pieces of it placed like fragments without context, so we'd know that something really weird happened there. It's possible Isayama did not have all of this planned out then (since people have been making a lot of comparisons to GoT), but I'm pretty sure he had some of it done, for one particular reason.

      We learn that the night Wall Maria fell, Grisha came to the Reiss family and pleaded for Frieda to kill the Titans so his family could be saved. There are two problems with this. 1) Grisha knows that Wall Maria has fallen in a matter of hours of it happening (remember he was away from home on a trip) and 2) Grisha does not know that Carla is already dead. It's still light out when she dies, and Grisha only meets Frieda at night.

      If Grisha was anywhere near Wall Maria when it fell, he probably would have run home to his family instead of booking it to the King. But at nightfall he's confronting the Reiss family under the chapel, which is completely on the other side of the capital city from Shiganshina. That's a hell of a trek for Grisha to make if he had firsthand knowledge of the Wall.

      But with Chapter 121, what looked like a bit of sloppy plotting/timekeeping actually makes sense. Grisha didn't need to be near the Wall when Shiganshina fell, because Eren gave him the memory. And since Eren didn't (or wasn't able to) show him everything, Grisha's concern about his family rather than his children (since Carla is already dead) makes sense.

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote: I definitely was not impressed. I'm a casual reader and I found it to be filler. Bloated, overly complex filler. Eren manipulating Zeke to get him to the pasts is one thing but implying everything to happen up to now was all according to Eren's plan, including the murder of the Reiss family feels contrived. DX To me that explanation doesn't solve any purpose. Like I said I ain't a hardcore reader but even if I was....sorry I just shook my head at this one XP

      Not to come off as rude, but being a self-labelled "casual reader" might mean you have missed/forgotten some things from past arcs.

      For example, Eren having this type of knowledge of things both past and present has been hinted at multiple times (even going back to chapter 1). We also got hints about the users of the Attack Titan being able to convey information to previous users back in Grisha's flashback with Eren Kruger.

      So, what I'm trying to say is, none of this stuff is contrived. Big time plot twists, sure, but to those paying close attention, there are definitely bread crumbs that have led up to here. The best kind of plot twists work like that. Give you just enough to suspect things, but don't come full circle until the big reveal.

      I'd say it serves the purpose of showing that Eren truly is the centerpiece of this story, and why this story will conclude with him still at the center. I personally think 120-121 are a brilliant piece of storytelling, but again, tastes are different.

      Well if you understand that our tastes are different then you understand that I am not impressed by anything you said. I don't see the point. The story has drilled in more than enough times that Eren is the epicenter of this saga so it is completely unnecessary. As are a lot of those aforementioned breadcrumbs. I thought the time loop thing was stupid the first time it came up when Kruger mentioned Armin and Mikasa. Sorry but the whole thing is superfluous. We're talking bad fanfiction type nonsense here. XD

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    • Klaroliner7 wrote: But Why is Eren doing all this? Everything... the attack on Marley, Yelena, Zick... going rouge, the war, all that. It always seem like he has a goal. Like how passionate he is. He wants something. Badly. Going as far as to rip his own thumbs off to stop Zeke... But what is it?  

      Eren's a traitor. That's the sum of it. He was always kind of a s**t character. Sorry guys but I am not one of those guys who fawns over Eren Yeager. He was never my favorite in all this and I do think he has to die before any lasting peace can be realized.

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    • SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Klaroliner7 wrote: But Why is Eren doing all this? Everything... the attack on Marley, Yelena, Zick... going rouge, the war, all that. It always seem like he has a goal. Like how passionate he is. He wants something. Badly. Going as far as to rip his own thumbs off to stop Zeke... But what is it?  

      Eren's a traitor. That's the sum of it. He was always kind of a s**t character. Sorry guys but I am not one of those guys who fawns over Eren Yeager. He was never my favorite in all this and I do think he has to die before any lasting peace can be realized.

      I have a theory that he's the reincarnation of he devil of all earth, or maybe he was influenced by it in the timeskip.

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    • If only Mikasa could see what Eren's been up to. If she stayed by his side even after that, I'd have to say she has Stockholm Syndrome XP

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    • Whalordius TDD wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Klaroliner7 wrote: But Why is Eren doing all this? Everything... the attack on Marley, Yelena, Zick... going rouge, the war, all that. It always seem like he has a goal. Like how passionate he is. He wants something. Badly. Going as far as to rip his own thumbs off to stop Zeke... But what is it?  

      Eren's a traitor. That's the sum of it. He was always kind of a s**t character. Sorry guys but I am not one of those guys who fawns over Eren Yeager. He was never my favorite in all this and I do think he has to die before any lasting peace can be realized.

      I have a theory that he's the reincarnation of he devil of all earth, or maybe he was influenced by it in the timeskip.

      Well if Reiner was ever right about anything, it's that Eren can't be trusted with this kind of power. And now the Coordinate is at stake.

      So what was Eren's plan here if there was no guarantee he could actually stop Ymir from carrying out Zeke's will? He spent the better part of that crazy trip gloating to his mortal enemy. Which gave Zeke the time to command Ymir.

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    • SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Whalordius TDD wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Klaroliner7 wrote: But Why is Eren doing all this? Everything... the attack on Marley, Yelena, Zick... going rouge, the war, all that. It always seem like he has a goal. Like how passionate he is. He wants something. Badly. Going as far as to rip his own thumbs off to stop Zeke... But what is it?  

      Eren's a traitor. That's the sum of it. He was always kind of a s**t character. Sorry guys but I am not one of those guys who fawns over Eren Yeager. He was never my favorite in all this and I do think he has to die before any lasting peace can be realized.
      I have a theory that he's the reincarnation of he devil of all earth, or maybe he was influenced by it in the timeskip.
      Well if Reiner was ever right about anything, it's that Eren can't be trusted with this kind of power. And now the Coordinate is at stake.

      So what was Eren's plan here if there was no guarantee he could actually stop Ymir from carrying out Zeke's will? He spent the better part of that crazy trip gloating to his mortal enemy. Which gave Zeke the time to command Ymir.

      He has already seen his own memories of... whatever his plan is being enacted, so he knows that he is going to succeed somehow. Eren basically has confirmation that whatever he does from here on out will be exactly what needs to happen to fulfill his vision of the future.

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    • Neetaku wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Whalordius TDD wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Klaroliner7 wrote: But Why is Eren doing all this? Everything... the attack on Marley, Yelena, Zick... going rouge, the war, all that. It always seem like he has a goal. Like how passionate he is. He wants something. Badly. Going as far as to rip his own thumbs off to stop Zeke... But what is it?  

      Eren's a traitor. That's the sum of it. He was always kind of a s**t character. Sorry guys but I am not one of those guys who fawns over Eren Yeager. He was never my favorite in all this and I do think he has to die before any lasting peace can be realized.
      I have a theory that he's the reincarnation of he devil of all earth, or maybe he was influenced by it in the timeskip.
      Well if Reiner was ever right about anything, it's that Eren can't be trusted with this kind of power. And now the Coordinate is at stake.

      So what was Eren's plan here if there was no guarantee he could actually stop Ymir from carrying out Zeke's will? He spent the better part of that crazy trip gloating to his mortal enemy. Which gave Zeke the time to command Ymir.

      He has already seen his own memories of... whatever his plan is being enacted, so he knows that he is going to succeed somehow. Eren basically has confirmation that whatever he does from here on out will be exactly what needs to happen to fulfill his vision of the future.

      I still can't get over how ridiculous this chapter is. XD That's some massively OP shit right there, guys. XP But I can safely say Eren has totally lost it.

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    • What I love here is the sheer irony of the Attack Titan. A Titan that's said to be uncontrolled by anyone, always striving for freedom, yet due to the stable time loop it itself created the Attack Titan really has no free will and is the only one even aware of it. Just like how the Founder is enslaved by the will of a past holder, the Attack Titan is enslaved by the will of a future holder.

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    • SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Neetaku wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Whalordius TDD wrote:


      SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Klaroliner7 wrote: But Why is Eren doing all this? Everything... the attack on Marley, Yelena, Zick... going rouge, the war, all that. It always seem like he has a goal. Like how passionate he is. He wants something. Badly. Going as far as to rip his own thumbs off to stop Zeke... But what is it?  

      Eren's a traitor. That's the sum of it. He was always kind of a s**t character. Sorry guys but I am not one of those guys who fawns over Eren Yeager. He was never my favorite in all this and I do think he has to die before any lasting peace can be realized.
      I have a theory that he's the reincarnation of he devil of all earth, or maybe he was influenced by it in the timeskip.
      Well if Reiner was ever right about anything, it's that Eren can't be trusted with this kind of power. And now the Coordinate is at stake.

      So what was Eren's plan here if there was no guarantee he could actually stop Ymir from carrying out Zeke's will? He spent the better part of that crazy trip gloating to his mortal enemy. Which gave Zeke the time to command Ymir.

      He has already seen his own memories of... whatever his plan is being enacted, so he knows that he is going to succeed somehow. Eren basically has confirmation that whatever he does from here on out will be exactly what needs to happen to fulfill his vision of the future.

      I still can't get over how ridiculous this chapter is. XD That's some massively OP shit right there, guys. XP But I can safely say Eren has totally lost it.

      But he is sane. Come on, you know he is up to somthing. Every action that a person takes, happens for a reason. And Eren has a hell of a reason from what is seems...

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    • Klaroliner7 wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Neetaku wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Whalordius TDD wrote:


      SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Klaroliner7 wrote: But Why is Eren doing all this? Everything... the attack on Marley, Yelena, Zick... going rouge, the war, all that. It always seem like he has a goal. Like how passionate he is. He wants something. Badly. Going as far as to rip his own thumbs off to stop Zeke... But what is it?  

      Eren's a traitor. That's the sum of it. He was always kind of a s**t character. Sorry guys but I am not one of those guys who fawns over Eren Yeager. He was never my favorite in all this and I do think he has to die before any lasting peace can be realized.
      I have a theory that he's the reincarnation of he devil of all earth, or maybe he was influenced by it in the timeskip.
      Well if Reiner was ever right about anything, it's that Eren can't be trusted with this kind of power. And now the Coordinate is at stake.

      So what was Eren's plan here if there was no guarantee he could actually stop Ymir from carrying out Zeke's will? He spent the better part of that crazy trip gloating to his mortal enemy. Which gave Zeke the time to command Ymir.

      He has already seen his own memories of... whatever his plan is being enacted, so he knows that he is going to succeed somehow. Eren basically has confirmation that whatever he does from here on out will be exactly what needs to happen to fulfill his vision of the future.

      I still can't get over how ridiculous this chapter is. XD That's some massively OP shit right there, guys. XP But I can safely say Eren has totally lost it.

      But he is sane. Come on, you know he is up to somthing. Every action that a person takes, happens for a reason. And Eren has a hell of a reason from what is seems...

      How can you be so sure? This is Eren we're talking about.

      Hate to be a cynic but seeing how I don't fawn over Eren I have to take a more critical look at the guy. Why should we be on his side again? XP Maybe he wants to stop Zeke's plan but that seems to be the extent of his "pure" intentions.

      What's Grisha's game? He tells Zeke to stop Eren, the Eldia restoration is done and over if the euthanasia is realized. Eren f'ed up somewhere because now Zeke and Grisha are gambling with Eldia's survival.

      I read through the chapter once. And I am still at a loss as to the sheer stupidity of this latest twist. It's still wholly inimportant to have this time loop crap on top of everything else here. Are the Marley even still relevant?

      At some point you gotta say "Yams this is overkill". We are at overkill XP Bigtime lol.

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    • I've got a theory:  Is Eren planning to remove the ability of Titanification from all Eldians instead of going with Zeke's plan?

      Also, even if all Eldians, and thus all Titans, in the world are dead and extinct, what about the Earth Devil?  It could still create another kind of creature.

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    • Drivebladesman wrote:
      I've got a theory:  Is Eren planning to remove the ability of Titanification from all Eldians instead of going with Zeke's plan?

      Also, even if all Eldians, and thus all Titans, in the world are dead and extinct, what about the Earth Devil?  It could still create another kind of creature.

      Well, at first, this theory is what I thought was Zeke's and Eren's plan before the release of chapter 114. After this chapter, I was thinking that it was Eren's plan. And it still might be. But before that, he'll probably want to use the Rumbling. 

      And the Earth Devil... It's 100% a legend. There's no way such a being really exists in AoT's universe. Tbh, "Earth Devil" being just a mythological figure and not real is something that seems accurate for most of people. It is even said in the first sentences of its wiki page: "is a figure of Eldian mythology". Maybe the Devil is the personnification of something (The Path, The Coordinate, The Source of All Living Matter), but not an actual historical character.

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    • Razzylada wrote:
      Drivebladesman wrote:
      I've got a theory:  Is Eren planning to remove the ability of Titanification from all Eldians instead of going with Zeke's plan?

      Also, even if all Eldians, and thus all Titans, in the world are dead and extinct, what about the Earth Devil?  It could still create another kind of creature.

      Well, at first, this theory is what I thought was Zeke's and Eren's plan before the release of chapter 114. After this chapter, I was thinking that it was Eren's plan. And it still might be. But before that, he'll probably want to use the Rumbling. 

      And the Earth Devil... It's 100% a legend. There's no way such a being really exists in AoT's universe. Tbh, "Earth Devil" being just a mythological figure and not real is something that seems accurate for most of people. It is even said in the first sentences of its wiki page: "is a figure of Eldian mythology". Maybe the Devil is the personnification of something (The Path, The Coordinate, The Source of All Living Matter), but not an actual historical character.

      Interesting.  I've always thought that the Earth Devil is just another name for the Source (I didn't even consider the possibility that the Source isn't a conscious being).  Even so, there's still a chance that the Source could create a brand new kind of creature, so Zeke's sterilization plan isn't fullproof in terms of ridding the world of the Titans' influence.

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    • NOTE: Apologies to those of you unfamiliar with Norse mythology, and to those of you who are experts.

      I'm beginning to think more and more about the Norse mythology themes of Attack on Titan. The "time travel," which is more like projecting through time, and the point at which the series is at makes me think there may be a true Ragnarok. What's happening with the Marleyans and the Paradisians is nothing compared to Eren's twitchy urge to release death upon the world that he more or less justifiably faults as being responsible for his imprisonment. I personally think that the Wall Titans destroying the other nations would just be the beginning of Eren's wrath, but who knows. His hatred is seemingly limitless, and he doesnt seem to care about breaking the cycle of endless torment so much as destroying everything he blames for his self-proclaimed enslavement. 

      But all this time stuff got me thinking about Jormungandr (spelled several different ways), the giant serpent. In the general description of the Norse mythology, Jormungandr and Thor fight killing each other in their final battle, while a baby version of Jormungandr is sent back in time before Ragnarok. Will someone (or something) somehow be sent into the past? Was (or is) there really a Devil lurking about Attack on Titan's equivalent of Yggdrasil, the reality-connecting tree, or was it just Eren (or someone we didn't expect) all along?

      What I'm pretty sure of, however, is that if there is a time loop, it has an ending for each "cycle." It just has to be set off in order to ensure that things go the way they're supposed to. Or if it is supposedly endless, Eren or another person will somehow break it once and for all. That's just my opinion, though.

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    • Well everyone long speculated on the likelihood of a time loop. Now that it is here I have to say there are so many problems with having such a thing present.

      So I will say cut to the chase guys. Forget Norse mythology and the whole psychological war going on here. What outcome is this buildi g up to? In simple terms. Eren's hair doesn't get this much blather XD

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    • SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Heir of Revan wrote: Ok....well i can see SO many things wrong with this that it hurts my brain!

      I'll say. You should've seen Tumblr, pretty much the same reaction. XD

      There is a Attack on Titan page on Tumblr?

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote: Not sure how the PATHs still work half the time, but I will say a few positive things about this chapter:

      -Though I was still confused, Gabi was a no-show once again, and that's always aces in my book

      -Eren convincing Grisha to slaughter the Reiss family and take the Founding Titan. After seeing their resignation to accepting the "sins" of Eldians, I have a newfound appreciation for what Grisha did, or more specifically what Eren convinced him to do.

      -Sounds like Eren really is going to go through with the Rumbling. Fingers crossed, good sir.

      As expected of Penguin luver!!

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    • Timjer wrote: What I love here is the sheer irony of the Attack Titan. A Titan that's said to be uncontrolled by anyone, always striving for freedom, yet due to the stable time loop it itself created the Attack Titan really has no free will and is the only one even aware of it. Just like how the Founder is enslaved by the will of a past holder, the Attack Titan is enslaved by the will of a future holder.

      Isn't that like the same thing as the other Titans themselves as they don't have free will like Armoured or Female Titan powers?

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      SunWarriorAsahi wrote:

      Heir of Revan wrote: Ok....well i can see SO many things wrong with this that it hurts my brain!

      I'll say. You should've seen Tumblr, pretty much the same reaction. XD

      There is a Attack on Titan page on Tumblr?

      Yeah about a million of them, pick one XD

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    • @RuneLai

      To be honest Stable Time loop is a good story element but in this series case, it still feels like it's pushing it a bit.

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    • It's a little more science fictional than AoT usually gets, but because we had Kruger hearing about Mikasa and Armin, the groundwork for seeing the future and thus affecting the past was laid out back in Chapter 89.

      So learning that the Attack Titan's special ability was to see future memories was not really pushing it for me. It's was just confirming what I already suspected.

      It's not surprising that seeing the future is going to affect a person's behavior. We don't know what Kruger saw specifically (though it would be nice if that comes up at some point), but it was obviously from the future, and he mentioned Armin and Mikasa to Grisha, who no doubt remembered those names when he met the two for the first time.

      You could reasonably argue that the reason he took in Mikasa at all is because he knew from Kruger that he's supposed to protect someone by that name.

      Because of Chapter 89, I feel like there was juuuuust enough groundwork laid that Chapter 121 was not too much of a stretch. Instead, the part that was giving my brain exercise was cycling the parameters for how the memories were coming together.

      Like I didn't realize that the reason Grisha never sees adult Eren in his memories is because he's literally seeing Eren's memories through Eren's eyes (so unless Eren is facing a mirror there's no reason for Grisha to see him). This probably would have worked better in a novel, but in a manga you rarely draw first person POV, so we have all these scenes in Grisha's memories from angles that never Grisha nor Eren is actually experiencing these events from.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Timjer wrote: What I love here is the sheer irony of the Attack Titan. A Titan that's said to be uncontrolled by anyone, always striving for freedom, yet due to the stable time loop it itself created the Attack Titan really has no free will and is the only one even aware of it. Just like how the Founder is enslaved by the will of a past holder, the Attack Titan is enslaved by the will of a future holder.

      Isn't that like the same thing as the other Titans themselves as they don't have free will like Armoured or Female Titan powers?

      Actually, they do have free will. They may be able to see the memories of previous holders, yes, but they aren't controlled by them like the Founder or the Attack Titan are.

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    • Well if Eren's already seen the future, you could say that everyone in the world is locked into their actions that lead to that future. They just don't KNOW that their 'choices' are predetermined.

      It's not like Grisha was forced to kill the Reiss family by the time loop, he chose to do it because it was his plan when he went there, and Eren reaffirmed the reasons he already had to do it.

      You can argue which 'came first', the 'choice' or the 'future', but I'm saying the nature of this question is no different for the Attack Titan than to anyone else.

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    • I can´t understand how Eren can change the past. I understand the Attack Titan power fo see the future, but I can´t see how Eren talked to his father in that memory and changed the past.

      Is it the power of the founding titan?

      Or is it because Eren touching Historia´s hands saw the past of the original titans inheritors, thus seeing his father´s past, including seeing the memory of his father seeing the future memory of them inside his memories and them talked to him, because his father could see him in those future memories.

      It got me a little confused.

      Can someone explain this to me?

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