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    • That's happened with Jean... Hange says something for her memories and Annie said "Are you able to kill Eren?".



      My question is... Why the headline is true? It was a 'The Night of the End'?



      How y'all feeling on this chapter? 

      I feel broken and sad

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    • Frankly compare to last chapter which felt like it was rushing things, this was a slow burn chapter. Its kinda something to see enemies in all forms alike to sit aside and have soup and talk about the horrible things they all done up till now.

      I have to give props to Yelena for clearing the air and finally bringing up Marco's death to light and Reiner for owning up the responsibility and revealed he killed the Titan that ate Marco, then most satisfying and logical of Jean was beating the shit out of Reiner (and of course kicking Gabi which I am sure the haters got a "kick" out of that) then Gabi revealing that her parents disappeared.

      Then of course Floch isn't done yet as there is going to be one last showdown between Survey Corp-Marley alliance vs the Eldian Nationalists, and I can't wait to see how it all goes down.

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    • Lastly I just feel bad for Jean he just wants to be done way with the violence and have a nice quiet family life. Which that dream was that Mikasa and her kid or is it just foreshadowing a death flag waiting to happen? What do you guys think?

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    • Pros:

      -Opening dream sequence of Jean living a comfortable life after the war is over raising a family. He kinda deserves this after so long.

      -Yelena being the smartass she was born to be and telling it like it is. Though obviously I don't think the SC ever did anything wrong or that their enemies didn't deserve what they got, but the point was for her to keep stoking conflict, and I think that's gonna come back to them later on. Actually, I HOPE it does, because the whole team-up still reeks of Easily Forgiven tropes.

      -Yelena being revealed to be a Marleyan after all. Perhaps I misjudged some of them, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve what they're getting in the form of genocide, so I completely understand Yelena's desire to give her middle finger to the Nazi regime. Which is also why I dismiss Warriorstan's notions of "they were brainwashed". Yelena clearly broke free of that chain and clandestinely opposed Marley, so I still don't consider brainwashing a valid excuse for the Warrior's behavior. Yelena is proof of that.

      -Stew. Who can argue over a good stew?

      -FINALLY Marco is relevanta again and got some form of justice in the form of...

      -Jean beating Reiner to an absolutely bloody pulp and THEN kicking Gabi. I know the latter wasn't intentional, but I'm glad it happened anyway. Either way, both Brauns deserved what they got.

      -I still despise Reiner, but at LEAST he's owning up to his horrendous actions from the past and took his beating like a man.

      -The Yeagerists once again being one step ahead of the Cringevengers and stopping them from stopping the Rumbling. I still unironically support them so I don't see them as a threat to Paradis in the least.

      Cons:


      -Hange Zoe, the ENTIRE time. She's basically been sucking up to the enemy and talking about "joining forces", still living in an idealistic and pacificstic world where they can hold hands around a campfire singing campfire songs as if Marley hasn't victimized them enough. Oh, and that part where she screams "You can't just massacre everyone!" That's exactly why she's a problem and should never have been in charge of anything...she still would rather let the enemies of Paradis trample over them than make a tough decision that will save them in the long run.

      -Magath. I obviously never liked any Marleyan except Falco, but boy Magath really showed what a racist POS he is. Acting as if he has some moral high ground or that Marleyans are somehow victims in all of this. Please let Floch pop a cap in this guy.

      -Gabi Sue being a completele hypocrite AGAIN. After everything she's done, NOW she wants the SC to help her stop the Rumbling despite taking Sasha from them. And the narratie just lets it happen. I can't even with this bitch...

      Neutral:


      -Azumabito. Why is she here again?

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    • Call me skeptical, but I'm not convinced about Mikasa's resolve to kill Eren if needed; all the time she stuck with him through thick and thin is evident that she will refuse to go through with it. If Eren shows a sliver of regret (and everyone else can plainly see it's a lie), I would not be surprised if Mikasa immediately sides with him against the others in the group. I think Annie noticed that is a very likely possability and calls her out over it, more so than Armin and the other Survey Corps.

      I was surprised about the revelation about Yelena, but at the same time she became a means to just deliver exposition. Also, it feels her character arc has finally run its course and can die in the next issue or two; the same could be said for Reiner. Admitting responsibility for Marco's death was the final crime he had to answer for and his acceptance of Jean beating the sh!t out of him was, in his eyes, a suitable death for someone like him.

      Finally, can someone finally kill that little sh!thead Floch? 

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:
      Lastly I just feel bad for Jean he just wants to be done way with the violence and have a nice quiet family life. Which that dream was that Mikasa and her kid or is it just foreshadowing a death flag waiting to happen? What do you guys think?

      I think it's the life Jean invisioned as a recruit in the Training Corps back when he first saw Mikasa; he would become a high ranked member of either the MP or Survey Corps and enjoy a life with her in the capital. Now it's a life that will never come to pass.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:
      Frankly compare to last chapter which felt like it was rushing things, this was a slow burn chapter. Its kinda something to see enemies in all forms alike to sit aside and have soup and talk about the horrible things they all done up till now.

      I have to give props to Yelena for clearing the air and finally bringing up Marco's death to light and Reiner for owning up the responsibility and revealed he killed the Titan that ate Marco, then most satisfying and logical of Jean was beating the shit out of Reiner (and of course kicking Gabi which I am sure the haters got a "kick" out of that) then Gabi revealing that her parents disappeared.

      Then of course Floch isn't done yet as there is going to be one last showdown between Survey Corp-Marley alliance vs the Eldian Nationalists, and I can't wait to see how it all goes down.

      Yes... The chapter is last... I read in school and I talk about a-- H-Hey! Erwin is here in heaven... And Petra too... And the others... And Marco!!!! :((((

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    • Finally, can someone finally kill that little sh!thead Floch? 

      But why though? The Yeagerists are the ones actually fighting FOR Paradis and the Eldian people. If the Cringevengers win and stop the Rumbling (with or without Floch), then the rest of the world will just march in and wipe out the Walldians. Like it or not, Floch represents what is best for Paradis, which is why he should have been leading the SC, not Hange.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Finally, can someone finally kill that little sh!thead Floch? 

      But why though? The Yeagerists are the ones actually fighting FOR Paradis and the Eldian people. If the Cringevengers win and stop the Rumbling (with or without Floch), then the rest of the world will just march in and wipe out the Walldians. Like it or not, Floch represents what is best for Paradis, which is why he should have been leading the SC, not Hange.

      Floch may represent what is "best" for Paradis, if you consider worldwide genocide to be a positive thing, but again, we are talking about genocide on a world scale. What about the millions of innocents that have nothing to do with the millennia of bad blood between Marley and Eldia?

      The way I see it, Floch is a short-sighted prick. I'm still hoping to see Shadis be the one to take him out.

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    • this chapter was a lot more fulfilling than the last chapter. it felt like it had something going on and made somewhat more sense.
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      and I oof

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    • I hope that whatever happens in the next chapters, they arrive very late to stop the Rumbling. And personally, I would like to see Jean is being an undercover, conspired with Floch, to end those motherfucker Marleyans (especially Magath, Reiner, Annie and that bitch named Gabi) at the most auspicious moment and try to convince the rest of this strange group of Avengers to prevent their intention of sabotaging Eren's work. To avenge all the fallen comrades for the actions of the traitors and the Marleyans.

      And then after managing to prevent their goal, Shadis should give Floch what he deserves. But not before it.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      But why though? The Yeagerists are the ones actually fighting FOR Paradis and the Eldian people. If the Cringevengers win and stop the Rumbling (with or without Floch), then the rest of the world will just march in and wipe out the Walldians. Like it or not, Floch represents what is best for Paradis, which is why he should have been leading the SC, not Hange.

      Trying to make your 'cringevengers' term catch on is more cringeworthy than anything that's ever happened in the manga.

      Floch is a psychopathic fascist xenophobe. He has no remorse for civilian casualties. He killed civilians on purpose in Liberio in an unapologetic act of terrorism. He didn't even care about the eldians in the internment zone.

      If you're one of the many loud people who stick your fingers in your ears and pretend the only two options are 'genocide' and 'do absolutely nothing to defend yourself' then I suppose you would support his methods. However that's a false dichotomy. There are always other options both in the real world and in the world of attack on titan.

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    • TKGriffiths wrote:

      Trying to make your 'cringevengers' term catch on is more cringeworthy than anything that's ever happened in the manga.

      Floch is a psychopathic fascist xenophobe. He has no remorse for civilian casualties. He killed civilians on purpose in Liberio in an unapologetic act of terrorism. He didn't even care about the eldians in the internment zone.

      If you're one of the many loud people who stick your fingers in your ears and pretend the only two options are 'genocide' and 'do absolutely nothing to defend yourself' then I suppose you would support his methods. However that's a false dichotomy. There are always other options both in the real world and in the world of attack on titan.

      You give me too much credit for the 'cringevengers' term, it's actually being used quite a bit on other social media sites. Not everyone, of course, mainly by people who either hate the fact that the SC are joining forces with their hated enemies or are just disappointed by its execution. I'm just using their terminology. 

      As for Floch, those 'civilians' were Marleyans. They pretty much believe every piece of propaganda about the "island devils" and would no doubt continue the same hateful persecution of Eldians. So even if they were 'civilians', they still deserved what they got. And the Eldians in the internment zone are pretty much a lost cause since they too are for wiping out the Walldians believing they will achieve some kind of honorary status by doing so (looking at you, Karina Braun).

      And why is it people think that those of us who support the Rumbling would be okay with real world genocide? They're not the same thing. And in terms of the SnK world, peace talks were never going to work. That was Hange and Armin living in a dream world where everyone is happy and singing songs together and no one hates anyone, which is of course not how it is. And since everyone else WAS going for "do nothing to defend yourself" then the last remaining option for Eren is "genocide", though considering what the world has put him and his people through, it's not as if they don't deserve it.

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    • I liked this chapter. It did a reasonable job (and a much better one than the last one) of showing the tensions that are bound to exist given the different groups involved. Barring Yelena, everyone has lost a lot of people they care about and it should not be that easy for them to let go, even if they eventually do.

      Yelena does a good job of laying it all out, while also completely failing to bury them in the hatred she feels they ought to be drowning in. I like that she tried, even if the result is not what she intended. If they hadn't discussed it, it would have simmered in the back of everyone's mind, but now that it's out there, the air's clear and everyone knows what they're going into. Jean might never forgive Reiner, but they're both willing to work together to get the job done and no one's hiding anything from anyone.

      I also like Hange feeling the weight of everyone who'd gone before, being another call back to Erwin's talk with Levi in "The Nameless Soldiers," though now Erwin himself is among that number.

      I also find found a couple things to be strange.

      1) They're worried about finding the Founding Titan once they get in the airplane when the stego-Titan is pretty big and distinctive. If Eren's anywhere around the mass of Colossals it seems like he shouldn't be hard to find.

      2) Even though Magath captured Yelena to get insight into Eren's heading, they don't learn anything, but they go ahead with the plan to get the plane anyway even though they have no idea where they're going to fly it. >.> Like, what if he's not in range of the plane at all?

      Let's see, remaining thoughts.

      Jean's daydream in the beginning. I liked it, since it acknowledges him as still the guy he's always been. Given the chance he'd like the comfy life, but push comes to shove he gets out there and does what he needs to. His daydream wife does look suspiciously like Mikasa, but I don't think that's a death flag because Mikasa has had zero time for Jean regarding anything that isn't business, nor do I think she's suddenly going to change her mind. She's got other things to worry about right now and it's not the time for anyone to be thinking about starting new relationships.

      The English title for this chapter also really bugs me. "Eve's End" just sounds really clunky. The eve of what? Maybe "Eve of the End" would have been better?

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    • RuneLai wrote:
      I liked this chapter. It did a reasonable job (and a much better one than the last one) of showing the tensions that are bound to exist given the different groups involved. Barring Yelena, everyone has lost a lot of people they care about and it should not be that easy for them to let go, even if they eventually do.

      Yelena does a good job of laying it all out, while also completely failing to bury them in the hatred she feels they ought to be drowning in. I like that she tried, even if the result is not what she intended. If they hadn't discussed it, it would have simmered in the back of everyone's mind, but now that it's out there, the air's clear and everyone knows what they're going into. Jean might never forgive Reiner, but they're both willing to work together to get the job done and no one's hiding anything from anyone.

      I also like Hange feeling the weight of everyone who'd gone before, being another call back to Erwin's talk with Levi in "The Nameless Soldiers," though now Erwin himself is among that number.

      I also find found a couple things to be strange.

      1) They're worried about finding the Founding Titan once they get in the airplane when the stego-Titan is pretty big and distinctive. If Eren's anywhere around the mass of Colossals it seems like he shouldn't be hard to find.

      2) Even though Magath captured Yelena to get insight into Eren's heading, they don't learn anything, but they go ahead with the plan to get the plane anyway even though they have no idea where they're going to fly it. >.> Like, what if he's not in range of the plane at all?

      Let's see, remaining thoughts.

      Jean's daydream in the beginning. I liked it, since it acknowledges him as still the guy he's always been. Given the chance he'd like the comfy life, but push comes to shove he gets out there and does what he needs to. His daydream wife does look suspiciously like Mikasa, but I don't think that's a death flag because Mikasa has had zero time for Jean regarding anything that isn't business, nor do I think she's suddenly going to change her mind. She's got other things to worry about right now and it's not the time for anyone to be thinking about starting new relationships.

      The English title for this chapter also really bugs me. "Eve's End" just sounds really clunky. The eve of what? Maybe "Eve of the End" would have been better?

      Ummm... Not a "The Night of the End?

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      And why is it people think that those of us who support the Rumbling would be okay with real world genocide? They're not the same thing. And in terms of the SnK world, peace talks were never going to work. That was Hange and Armin living in a dream world where everyone is happy and singing songs together and no one hates anyone, which is of course not how it is. And since everyone else WAS going for "do nothing to defend yourself" then the last remaining option for Eren is "genocide", though considering what the world has put him and his people through, it's not as if they don't deserve it.

      Those Liberio citizens were as involved in the attack on Paradis as the Paradis civilians were in the attack on Liberio - that is, not at all.

      It's crazy that you continue to deny that people on both sides can get along peacefully despite this chapter being dedicated to exactly that. The entire message of this chapter is that the similarities of the people on both sides far outweigh the differences and that peace IS possible once people start to actually communicate.

      Nobody is going for 'do nothing to defend themselves'. The plan everyone agreed on was to use a mini rumbling to destroy the enemy's military capability and render them incapable of harming Paradis Island. And then at the end of his life Eren would pass on the founder and it would continue to defend Paradis indefinitely. This plan is still possible if Eren comes back onside or the founder is inherited by one of the protagonists.

      In the chapter they're talking about the worst case scenario where the founder falls into enemy hands, or Eren is killed and the founder is lost to a random baby.

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    • I was re-reading very early chapters and there was a conversation between Pixis and Eren that stuck out to me that sums up the current situation quite well.

      In Chapter 12, before sending Eren off to plug the hole in Trost District, Pixis brings up a legend where a very powerful non-human enemy would appear and all of humanity would put aside their differences and unite to stop it. Eren calls the legend far too idealistic to actually happen, and even if that enemy drove humanity to the brink, the uniting aspect would be shakey as best.

      Taking into account what's happening now, even if Eren is stopped, the hatred for Eldians would not go away at all. Remember that the Marleyean treatment of Eldians is the BEST treament an Eldian can hope to get in the outside world, and that was BEFORE Eren initiated the Rumbling. The hatred for Eldians has undoubtedly increased significantly in the wake of Eren's attack at Liberio.

      In Chapter 108, Magath explained to the Warriors that the world's armies quickly came together after Eren attacked and were planning a "Scorched Earth" attack on Paradis in a few months. Seeing that neither Magath or the Warriors spoke of this "Scorched Earth" attack to Hange and the 104th member tells me quite clearly that even if Eren is somehow stopped, Paradis will be annihilated anyway.

      That's pretty much what I see at the moment.

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    • TKGriffiths wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      And why is it people think that those of us who support the Rumbling would be okay with real world genocide? They're not the same thing. And in terms of the SnK world, peace talks were never going to work. That was Hange and Armin living in a dream world where everyone is happy and singing songs together and no one hates anyone, which is of course not how it is. And since everyone else WAS going for "do nothing to defend yourself" then the last remaining option for Eren is "genocide", though considering what the world has put him and his people through, it's not as if they don't deserve it.

      Those Liberio citizens were as involved in the attack on Paradis as the Paradis civilians were in the attack on Liberio - that is, not at all.

      It's crazy that you continue to deny that people on both sides can get along peacefully despite this chapter being dedicated to exactly that. The entire message of this chapter is that the similarities of the people on both sides far outweigh the differences and that peace IS possible once people start to actually communicate.

      Nobody is going for 'do nothing to defend themselves'. The plan everyone agreed on was to use a mini rumbling to destroy the enemy's military capability and render them incapable of harming Paradis Island. And then at the end of his life Eren would pass on the founder and it would continue to defend Paradis indefinitely. This plan is still possible if Eren comes back onside or the founder is inherited by one of the protagonists.

      In the chapter they're talking about the worst case scenario where the founder falls into enemy hands, or Eren is killed and the founder is lost to a random baby.

      That's true... but I have no words... No words. But everyone needs to kill Eren? Or not? But I hate Yelena's words to say and the last thing is... It's have a chapter 128 and Eren is here? Or not? Meanwhile, the Paradis Island and the end of Eren's life, Jean have no word and  fighting Reiner. Yelena talk about Marco's death.

      In the start of this chapter, Hange feels unhappy and lost the solders, but why Eren is genocide? This is my question, right?

      I have more thing, the random baby is still alive, but who is his/her parents? Who is this baby? Where is the others? Who is Liberio? Sorry, about I'll tell you.

      What happening with the Eldians, the Marleyans and the Yeagerists? 

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    • This was a uptick in quality from the lacklustre quality of the last volume as I did enjoy the slowburn approach to the characterization found in this chapter as the result of sound dialogue & the reintroduction of many long standing character conflicts.  

      Pros: 

      - After the last chapter botched its tone with a strange Avengers style teamup and awkward interactions between characters like Annie & Connie, it was nice to see a proper amount of venom seep back into this alliance. Yelena & Pieck roasting the party was especially great and it was nice to see characters like Annie & Reiner interacting with the Paradis crew in a more natural fashion rather than rapid fire exposition dumps that skimped over the animosity present in both groups. I will say though that Magath went a little too "triumph of the will" for my tastes since I thought he was better than that based on his interactions with Willy and would have a more nuanced perspective on things. 

      - Yelena being a person who lied & cheated her way to the top riding a fake noble cause was a great little piece of writing as it was well set up in her interactions with Pixis who saw right through her and is also painfully accurate to the real world were many bleeding heart revolutionaries end up being just as vapid & power hungry as the people they replace. 

      - Focusing on Jean was nice since I have felt he has been underserved since Liberio as he has been merely reacting to Eren's dark turn and it was great to see his perspective regarding the recent events & to wrap up his plotline with Marco.  Definitely getting the feeling though that he'll die fighting Floch which will either result in the death of Floch (ie. they kill each other) or Floch standing down & realizing how insane he's become. 



      Other Thoughts: 

      - I didn't have many actual problems with the chapter itself as it performed its function fairly well (characterization + transition). I still have some lingering doubts regarding how this story is going to wrap up but the series is still an entertaining journey & I think if the ending isn't the best I'll probably look back on it similarly to Watchmen TV edition which had a meh ending but many standout moments along the way and was ultimately something I really enjoyed. 

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    • So... Yelena's backstory is that she became disillusioned with Marley, and decided as a result to help Zeke euthanize Eldia? I also don't understand why she would need to lie to everyone about her background. If anything, being a Marleyan who has defected to help the countries Marley has oppressed would make Yelena look even better to her allies.

      I also thought that Jean's "epiphany" that all of this fighting could have been avoided if they had just sat down and talked with their enemies to be rather clunky. I agree with the sentiment, but it felt incredibly awkward that he would just stumble into that conclusion just from hearing that Marco's last words were "we haven't even talked yet."

      Overall, this chapter was leaps and bounds better than the last one, but that's not exactly saying much. I'd probably rate it a 7/10.

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    • Neetaku wrote: So... Yelena's backstory is that she became disillusioned with Marley, and decided as a result to help Zeke euthanize Eldia? I also don't understand why she would need to lie to everyone about her background. If anything, being a Marleyan who has defected to help the countries Marley has oppressed would make Yelena look even better to her allies.

      I don't think she'd look better to potential allies if she had been open about being Marleyan. I'd argue she'd look worse. If person from powerful majority group come to oppressed minority and said "Hey, I totally could help you guys," the oppressed group could rightfully say, "Well, what you have done so far?" (i.e. "Why should we trust you when no one else from your group has done anything about it?").

      Think about the Association to Protect the Subjects of Ymir in Marley. As an Eldian, would you have any confidence in the help you could get from them?

      By pretending to be a member of a similarly oppressed group, Yelena can tap immediately into that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" mojo that she wouldn't get if she presented as Marleyan.

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    • RuneLai wrote:

      Neetaku wrote: So... Yelena's backstory is that she became disillusioned with Marley, and decided as a result to help Zeke euthanize Eldia? I also don't understand why she would need to lie to everyone about her background. If anything, being a Marleyan who has defected to help the countries Marley has oppressed would make Yelena look even better to her allies.

      I don't think she'd look better to potential allies if she had been open about being Marleyan. I'd argue she'd look worse. If person from powerful majority group come to oppressed minority and said "Hey, I totally could help you guys," the oppressed group could rightfully say, "Well, what you have done so far?" (i.e. "Why should we trust you when no one else from your group has done anything about it?").

      Think about the Association to Protect the Subjects of Ymir in Marley. As an Eldian, would you have any confidence in the help you could get from them?

      By pretending to be a member of a similarly oppressed group, Yelena can tap immediately into that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" mojo that she wouldn't get if she presented as Marleyan.

      Well... I talk about Eren... Annie says "Are you able to kill Eren?" to everyone, but... the next chapter, Eren is here? Or not? When everyone to kill Eren? Or not? Whta is Eldian? What is Marleyan? 

      P.S.: I don't hate you.

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    • Neetaku wrote:
      So... Yelena's backstory is that she became disillusioned with Marley, and decided as a result to help Zeke euthanize Eldia?

      The point is without Eldians, Marley lose their titans. The only thing giving them the upper hand against the rest of the world. So she's both saving the world against any potential rumbling or return of the eldian empire, while also striking a huge blow to Marley's world dominance.

      Like Pieck pointed out, she didn't really care about Zeke's motivations. She essentially only did it to become a celebrity.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:
       

      -Yelena being revealed to be a Marleyan after all. Perhaps I misjudged some of them, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve what they're getting in the form of genocide, so I completely understand Yelena's desire to give her middle finger to the Nazi regime. Which is also why I dismiss Warriorstan's notions of "they were brainwashed". Yelena clearly broke free of that chain and clandestinely opposed Marley, so I still don't consider brainwashing a valid excuse for the Warrior's behavior. Yelena is proof of that.

      -Magath. I obviously never liked any Marleyan except Falco, but boy Magath really showed what a racist POS he is. Acting as if he has some moral high ground or that Marleyans are somehow victims in all of this. Please let Floch pop a cap in this guy.


      Yeah, Magath needs to own up to the fact that most Marleyans, especially patriotic ones, are human garbage to begin with.  He should be more like Yelena, who never let any patriotism cloud her judgement.  I'm starting to think that patriots are nothing but puppets that can never think for themselves (and also because I've heard someone once say that all nationalists are puppets; it also got me wondering if the same applies to patriots).

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    • TKGriffiths wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      And why is it people think that those of us who support the Rumbling would be okay with real world genocide? They're not the same thing. And in terms of the SnK world, peace talks were never going to work. That was Hange and Armin living in a dream world where everyone is happy and singing songs together and no one hates anyone, which is of course not how it is. And since everyone else WAS going for "do nothing to defend yourself" then the last remaining option for Eren is "genocide", though considering what the world has put him and his people through, it's not as if they don't deserve it.

      Those Liberio citizens were as involved in the attack on Paradis as the Paradis civilians were in the attack on Liberio - that is, not at all.

      It's crazy that you continue to deny that people on both sides can get along peacefully despite this chapter being dedicated to exactly that. The entire message of this chapter is that the similarities of the people on both sides far outweigh the differences and that peace IS possible once people start to actually communicate.

      Nobody is going for 'do nothing to defend themselves'. The plan everyone agreed on was to use a mini rumbling to destroy the enemy's military capability and render them incapable of harming Paradis Island. And then at the end of his life Eren would pass on the founder and it would continue to defend Paradis indefinitely. This plan is still possible if Eren comes back onside or the founder is inherited by one of the protagonists.

      In the chapter they're talking about the worst case scenario where the founder falls into enemy hands, or Eren is killed and the founder is lost to a random baby.

      Except for the fact that Liberio citizens knew the truth about Marley's crimes against Paradis and supported them the whole way. If given the chance they would take up arms themselves and wipe out their "fellow" Eldians rather than their oppressors (I use quotations since I do not consider them true Eldians for being so subservient to their Marleyan overlords). Consider that they would all willingly kill the Walldians and yes, they did in fact deserve what they got.

      And you're right, I still deny peace is possible. Because it's not. This team-up is a fantasy that will either fail and force them to realize that the world is governed by survival of the fittest, or it will completely destroy the writing quality of the narrative more than it already has (name ONE truly great chapter since the RtS arc, I dare you) since it would fall into the same trap as other Japanese manga...the power of friendship saving the world, or everyone being redeemable no matter how many hundreds of thousands they kill (and unlike the Warriors, Eren is justifiable in his actions).

      But you're wrong, Hange wanted their island to 'do nothing' to protect themselves, choosing to "meet with" Marley and convince them they were no threat, ignoring the fact they are the ultimate evil responsible for Eldian persecution.

      The worst case scenario is actually the "Scorching Earth" operation that the world is launching against Paradis, hence why the Rumbling is not only a necessity but preferable.

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    • So do we have any idea how quickly the Rumbling is proceeding? Because speaking realistically, after Eren is defeated by the SC/Warrior alliance the only feasible hope Paradis will have to survive is that he managed to do sufficient damage to the world to prevent a counterattack for a significant amount of time. The SC simply winning Magath over is entirely insufficient to protect Paradis, unless he will be willing to deploy the Marely military to protect the island (which is an utterly unrealistic action, the people/military of Marley would revolt against him in a heartbeat) against the rest of the world.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Except for the fact that Liberio citizens knew the truth about Marley's crimes against Paradis and supported them the whole way.

      What truth? All they knew is that the eldian empire terrorized the world for thousands of years, that they're still there behind the walls of paradis, and that they possess the capability to enslave or flatten the world whenever they want. The attack on paradis was portrayed to them as a mission to retrieve the founder to eliminate the threat of the rumbling and save the world. Only the partial truth because Marley were after the resources on the island too of course, but that obviously wasn't included in the propaganda.

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      If given the chance they would take up arms themselves and wipe out their "fellow" Eldians rather than their oppressors (I use quotations since I do not consider them true Eldians for being so subservient to their Marleyan overlords). Consider that they would all willingly kill the Walldians and yes, they did in fact deserve what they got.

      Totally false nonsense. You continue to completely ignore the actual narrative to maintain your delusions. They are subservient to Marley because THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. Ymir, Kruger, Grisha, Zeke and his volunteers' stories makes it totally obvious that any resistance against Marley results in you and your family being killed or turned into titans. And yet they still opposed their oppressors the only way they could (covertly), risking everything to do it.

      Not to mention THE LIBERIO CITIZENS LITERALLY TOOK UP ARMS AGAINST THEIR OPPRESSORS IN CHAPTER 125.

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      And you're right, I still deny peace is possible. Because it's not. This team-up is a fantasy that will either fail and force them to realize that the world is governed by survival of the fittest, or it will completely destroy the writing quality of the narrative more than it already has (name ONE truly great chapter since the RtS arc, I dare you) since it would fall into the same trap as other Japanese manga...the power of friendship saving the world, or everyone being redeemable no matter how many hundreds of thousands they kill (and unlike the Warriors, Eren is justifiable in his actions).

      You deny it's possible because you think everything in the story that you personally don't like is impossible and claim that everything that displeases you is bad writing.

      Nice to see you out yourself as one of those people who stopped liking the series after the existence of Marley was revealed. That tells a lot about what you're here for. A lot of people like you got annoyed when humanity rather than titans were shown to be the true enemy. Because now you have to actually think about the enemy as individuals with their own unique motivations and challenges in life beyond 'uniform mindless titans want to eat everyone' which you clearly can't handle. You refuse to see the enemy as people because you're pining for the good old days when the enemies were all the same mindless titans and everything was easy. You're so deep in this mindset that you've mentally blocked out all the people from outside the walls that oppose Marley and are pretending they don't exist.

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      But you're wrong, Hange wanted their island to 'do nothing' to protect themselves, choosing to "meet with" Marley and convince them they were no threat, ignoring the fact they are the ultimate evil responsible for Eldian persecution.

      The worst case scenario is actually the "Scorching Earth" operation that the world is launching against Paradis, hence why the Rumbling is not only a necessity but preferable.

      Just read chapter 107 and keep telling yourself the plan was 'do nothing and let them kill us'. It obviously isn't and never was.

      And yes the worst case scenario for Paradis is Paradis being destroyed, but that can never happen while Eren or one of the other protagonist controls the founder. So the scenario cannot occur unless the founder is lost, just like I said.

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    • Nice to see you out yourself as one of those people who stopped liking the series after the existence of Marley was revealed. That tells a lot about what you're here for. A lot of people like you got annoyed when humanity rather than titans were shown to be the true enemy. Because now you have to actually think about the enemy as individuals with their own unique motivations and challenges in life beyond 'uniform mindless titans want to eat everyone' which you clearly can't handle. You refuse to see the enemy as people because you're pining for the good old days when the enemies were all the same mindless titans and everything was easy. You're so deep in this mindset that you've mentally blocked out all the people from outside the walls that oppose Marley and are pretending they don't exist.

      I don't pretend the people outside the Walls don't exist. I just don't care about them. We started the series with the Paradis Eldians before we even knew what an Eldian or a Paradis was. It's only fair that we support their wellbeing, and the Rumbling is the only way to do that.

      Maybe you're new here, but I give zero shits about [and have zero empathy for] the Warriors or anyone outside the Walls. They've done too much to be forgiven or even remotely likable. And that was true even before the basement reveal; I was glad when Bertolt died. Hell, I CHEERED when he got what he deserved, and I've been hoping to Ymir that Reiner and Annie (and as of 105, Gabi) will get the same.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Nice to see you out yourself as one of those people who stopped liking the series after the existence of Marley was revealed. That tells a lot about what you're here for. A lot of people like you got annoyed when humanity rather than titans were shown to be the true enemy. Because now you have to actually think about the enemy as individuals with their own unique motivations and challenges in life beyond 'uniform mindless titans want to eat everyone' which you clearly can't handle. You refuse to see the enemy as people because you're pining for the good old days when the enemies were all the same mindless titans and everything was easy. You're so deep in this mindset that you've mentally blocked out all the people from outside the walls that oppose Marley and are pretending they don't exist.

      I don't pretend the people outside the Walls don't exist. I just don't care about them. We started the series with the Paradis Eldians before we even knew what an Eldian or a Paradis was. It's only fair that we support their wellbeing, and the Rumbling is the only way to do that.

      Maybe you're new here, but I give zero shits about [and have zero empathy for] the Warriors or anyone outside the Walls. They've done too much to be forgiven or even remotely likable. And that was true even before the basement reveal; I was glad when Bertolt died. Hell, I CHEERED when he got what he deserved, and I've been hoping to Ymir that Reiner and Annie (and as of 105, Gabi) will get the same.

      Wait, but we also started this series with Bertolt, Annie and Reiner. By your logic, doesn't that mean that it's only fair that we support their wellbeing?

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    • I don't pretend the people outside the Walls don't exist. I just don't care about them. We started the series with the Paradis Eldians before we even knew what an Eldian or a Paradis was. It's only fair that we support their wellbeing, and the Rumbling is the only way to do that.

      Maybe you're new here, but I give zero shits about [and have zero empathy for] the Warriors or anyone outside the Walls. They've done too much to be forgiven or even remotely likable. And that was true even before the basement reveal; I was glad when Bertolt died. Hell, I CHEERED when he got what he deserved, and I've been hoping to Ymir that Reiner and Annie (and as of 105, Gabi) will get the same.

      Wait, but we also started this series with Bertolt, Annie and Reiner. By your logic, doesn't that mean that it's only fair that we support their wellbeing?

      Technically you're right in that we started with them as well. But then they were revealed to be the Titans behind all the tragedy and chaos that ruined  Eren's life. Whatever love and respect I had for them turned into pure hatred. And that hasn't changed with their "tragic" backstories revealed. So what if they were 'brainwashed' and 'child soldiers'? Boo hoo, the SC had tragic backstories too, didn't make them evil little shits.

      Ironically, though, I like Zeke as a villain. I just wish they stuck with the psychopathic conductor of chaos who just wanted to watch the world burn, a la Joker, rather than make him into yet another misunderstood victim.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      I don't pretend the people outside the Walls don't exist. I just don't care about them. We started the series with the Paradis Eldians before we even knew what an Eldian or a Paradis was. It's only fair that we support their wellbeing, and the Rumbling is the only way to do that.

      Maybe you're new here, but I give zero shits about [and have zero empathy for] the Warriors or anyone outside the Walls. They've done too much to be forgiven or even remotely likable. And that was true even before the basement reveal; I was glad when Bertolt died. Hell, I CHEERED when he got what he deserved, and I've been hoping to Ymir that Reiner and Annie (and as of 105, Gabi) will get the same.

      Wait, but we also started this series with Bertolt, Annie and Reiner. By your logic, doesn't that mean that it's only fair that we support their wellbeing?
      Technically you're right in that we started with them as well. But then they were revealed to be the Titans behind all the tragedy and chaos that ruined  Eren's life. Whatever love and respect I had for them turned into pure hatred. And that hasn't changed with their "tragic" backstories revealed. So what if they were 'brainwashed' and 'child soldiers'? Boo hoo, the SC had tragic backstories too, didn't make them evil little shits.

      Ironically, though, I like Zeke as a villain. I just wish they stuck with the psychopathic conductor of chaos who just wanted to watch the world burn, a la Joker, rather than make him into yet another misunderstood victim.

      What Eren did to Liberio was no better than what RBA did to Shiganshina. He killed dozens, if not hundreds of civilians who had nothing to do with the Paradis-Marleyan conflict. And before you say that they are evil for not standing up to Marley, let me remind you that they are all being kept in prison camps under the watch of armed guards. There's nothing they can do.

      So, that being said, I can just parrot everything you just said about RBA back against Eren. He is responsible for all of the tragedy and chaos which will surely ruin the lives of many Liberio survivors (short as those lives may be if Eren gets his way). That doesn't change because of his "tragic" backstory. So what if his mother was killed in front of him? Boo hoo, the Warriors had tragic backstories too, and they're not trying to commit genocide on a global scale.

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    • Neetaku wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      I don't pretend the people outside the Walls don't exist. I just don't care about them. We started the series with the Paradis Eldians before we even knew what an Eldian or a Paradis was. It's only fair that we support their wellbeing, and the Rumbling is the only way to do that.

      Maybe you're new here, but I give zero shits about [and have zero empathy for] the Warriors or anyone outside the Walls. They've done too much to be forgiven or even remotely likable. And that was true even before the basement reveal; I was glad when Bertolt died. Hell, I CHEERED when he got what he deserved, and I've been hoping to Ymir that Reiner and Annie (and as of 105, Gabi) will get the same.

      Wait, but we also started this series with Bertolt, Annie and Reiner. By your logic, doesn't that mean that it's only fair that we support their wellbeing?
      Technically you're right in that we started with them as well. But then they were revealed to be the Titans behind all the tragedy and chaos that ruined  Eren's life. Whatever love and respect I had for them turned into pure hatred. And that hasn't changed with their "tragic" backstories revealed. So what if they were 'brainwashed' and 'child soldiers'? Boo hoo, the SC had tragic backstories too, didn't make them evil little shits.

      Ironically, though, I like Zeke as a villain. I just wish they stuck with the psychopathic conductor of chaos who just wanted to watch the world burn, a la Joker, rather than make him into yet another misunderstood victim.

      What Eren did to Liberio was no better than what RBA did to Shiganshina. He killed dozens, if not hundreds of civilians who had nothing to do with the Paradis-Marleyan conflict. And before you say that they are evil for not standing up to Marley, let me remind you that they are all being kept in prison camps under the watch of armed guards. There's nothing they can do.

      So, that being said, I can just parrot everything you just said about RBA back against Eren. He is responsible for all of the tragedy and chaos which will surely ruin the lives of many Liberio survivors (short as those lives may be if Eren gets his way). That doesn't change because of his "tragic" backstory. So what if his mother was killed in front of him? Boo hoo, the Warriors had tragic backstories too, and they're not trying to commit genocide on a global scale.

      But if the Warriors had not killed hundreds of thousands, including Eren's mom, he never would have been driven to go to such extremenes. Not that Hange or Armin ended up being much help; those spineless cowards absolutely refused to make the hard choices needed to protect Paradis from it's enemies. Ever hear the phrase "Mercy is weakness, strength is truth"? Had Hange or Armin shown some semblance of strength, they could have wiped out Marley without interfering with the rest of the world's affairs, thus giving everyone on the island the exact freedom Eren has been fighting for.

      And @TKGriffiths I should probably clarify that in general I am not against war stories or morally ambigious characters. But first of all, those characters have to be compelling, which the Warriors are not, they are completely unsympathetic to me. Secondly, the key element of Attack on Titan is...well, Titans. Take that away and it becomes another generic war story that we see in so many other forms of media. I can't tell you how many people I know, doesn't matter if they're anime-only or read the manga, who watched the basement reveal, learned the truth of the outside world, and ended up losing interest in the remainder of the series. Not all, of course, but plenty enough. A lot of people disliked the genre shift and the fact that we were suddenly supposed to view the Warriors as protagonists and were forced to go through nearly a year with only their perspective and hear nothing about the 104th. It's not an unpopular opinion.

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    • Elal08 wrote:

      Well... I talk about Eren... Annie says "Are you able to kill Eren?" to everyone, but... the next chapter, Eren is here? Or not? When everyone to kill Eren? Or not? Whta is Eldian? What is Marleyan? 

      P.S.: I don't hate you.

      I know you're responding to my post, but I have no idea what this has to do with Yelena. Was this directed at someone else?

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      And you're right, I still deny peace is possible. Because it's not. This team-up is a fantasy that will either fail and force them to realize that the world is governed by survival of the fittest, or it will completely destroy the writing quality of the narrative more than it already has (name ONE truly great chapter since the RtS arc, I dare you) since it would fall into the same trap as other Japanese manga...the power of friendship saving the world, or everyone being redeemable no matter how many hundreds of thousands they kill (and unlike the Warriors, Eren is justifiable in his actions).

      What do you want for end game of this manga, if you think the the team-up is inheritantly designed to fail? Narratively Isayama is invested a lot in this happening. If everyone dies it would be a fairly bleak ending that the majority of the cast does not want (and thus probably unsatisfying for the majority of the readership). While I don't mind bleak personally, that's not predicated on the team-up failing.

      For instance, the team-up success does not have to rely on the power of friendship to save the world. Eren could refuse to listen to Mikasa and Armin and become unredeemable in the eyes of the remaining protagonists. They'll kill him, the power of friendship will not prevail, and yet the world is spared.

      Though that scenario is specifically about the friendship between Eren, Armin, and Mikasa failing, if you want the power of friendship to fail that's the one to break from a narrative standpoint since those are the three main characters.

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Ever hear the phrase "Mercy is weakness, strength is truth"?

      Nope. Probably because now that I look it up, it's a quote a TV show I've never heard of. The character is based on a real person, but the quote is fictional.

      So if we're going fictional, I prefer the quote: "Mercy and compassion are virtues that only the strong are privileged to possess." And it's true, because you cannot grant mercy unless you are powerful enough to do so.

      In the situation our cast is currently facing, Eren is the only character capable of granting a decent measure of mercy due to the amount of power he has. But if he fears the consequences of doing so, is he really strong?

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: I can't tell you how many people I know, doesn't matter if they're anime-only or read the manga, who watched the basement reveal, learned the truth of the outside world, and ended up losing interest in the remainder of the series. Not all, of course, but plenty enough. A lot of people disliked the genre shift and the fact that we were suddenly supposed to view the Warriors as protagonists and were forced to go through nearly a year with only their perspective and hear nothing about the 104th.

      This is a fair point, but the thing is, we already went through this with the Uprising arc. When it was being animated I saw posts up and down message boards where people said this was when Attack of Titan started to suck in the manga and they stopped reading. And I get that, because I've stopped reading/watching things if the genre shift was too much. So people being lost due to the outside world revelation is not surprising.

      But this is also pretty normal for a long running series. Though people don't usually think about it when a series is popular, it typically loses readers over time. You will never have as many people read Volume 20 of a manga as those who read Volume 1. People will drop for any number of reasons. Their favorite character got killed. They didn't like the genre shift. There was one scene they found really disturbing and couldn't read anymore. They took a break and forgot to come back. And so on.

      I don't think Isayama is worrying over those losses because overall the series is still selling at a good rate. We're close enough to the end that he pretty much can do what he wants and much of the remaining readership will be okay with it, which is reflected in this fan poll: https://snkpolls.tumblr.com/post/611225830675316736/snk-chapter-126-poll-results

      One of the questions is "Regarding how the Avengers' mission and the ending will go, which is these is preferable/acceptable to you?" 1,465 responses and the #1 preferred answer is "I'm just on Isayama's wild ride, give me whatever." There are a lot of other options people are okay with too, including "They achieve nothing, all of them falling to Eren" (which a quarter of respondants were okay with), but the "whatever" response got more votes than anything else.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Neetaku wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      I don't pretend the people outside the Walls don't exist. I just don't care about them. We started the series with the Paradis Eldians before we even knew what an Eldian or a Paradis was. It's only fair that we support their wellbeing, and the Rumbling is the only way to do that.

      Maybe you're new here, but I give zero shits about [and have zero empathy for] the Warriors or anyone outside the Walls. They've done too much to be forgiven or even remotely likable. And that was true even before the basement reveal; I was glad when Bertolt died. Hell, I CHEERED when he got what he deserved, and I've been hoping to Ymir that Reiner and Annie (and as of 105, Gabi) will get the same.

      Wait, but we also started this series with Bertolt, Annie and Reiner. By your logic, doesn't that mean that it's only fair that we support their wellbeing?
      Technically you're right in that we started with them as well. But then they were revealed to be the Titans behind all the tragedy and chaos that ruined  Eren's life. Whatever love and respect I had for them turned into pure hatred. And that hasn't changed with their "tragic" backstories revealed. So what if they were 'brainwashed' and 'child soldiers'? Boo hoo, the SC had tragic backstories too, didn't make them evil little shits.

      Ironically, though, I like Zeke as a villain. I just wish they stuck with the psychopathic conductor of chaos who just wanted to watch the world burn, a la Joker, rather than make him into yet another misunderstood victim.

      What Eren did to Liberio was no better than what RBA did to Shiganshina. He killed dozens, if not hundreds of civilians who had nothing to do with the Paradis-Marleyan conflict. And before you say that they are evil for not standing up to Marley, let me remind you that they are all being kept in prison camps under the watch of armed guards. There's nothing they can do.

      So, that being said, I can just parrot everything you just said about RBA back against Eren. He is responsible for all of the tragedy and chaos which will surely ruin the lives of many Liberio survivors (short as those lives may be if Eren gets his way). That doesn't change because of his "tragic" backstory. So what if his mother was killed in front of him? Boo hoo, the Warriors had tragic backstories too, and they're not trying to commit genocide on a global scale.

      Not that Hange or Armin ended up being much help; those spineless cowards absolutely refused to make the hard choices needed to protect Paradis from it's enemies. Ever hear the phrase "Mercy is weakness, strength is truth"?

      Nope. Never heard of it, and it sounds very naive in the first place (no offense meant to whoever wrote it). If you want to take revenge on someone who you feel has wronged you, and you take revenge, then you are obviously doing what is easiest for you. You're just doing what you want. On the contrary, if someone has wronged you and you decide to forgive them instead of taking revenge (which I would say goes against human nature), then you are clearly making harder choice simply by virtue of having the self control to deny your own base desires. It's why so many people do admire parents who forgive their child's murderer (because it does happen in real life; it's not something Isayama made up), even if most people acknowledge that they wouldn't be able to be so forgiving.

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    • @Neetaku @RuneLai



      Can I just say the posts you made are very well thought out posts you made that really tackles the heart of the issue that has been boiling and recurring for some time.

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    • TKGriffiths wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      And why is it people think that those of us who support the Rumbling would be okay with real world genocide? They're not the same thing. And in terms of the SnK world, peace talks were never going to work. That was Hange and Armin living in a dream world where everyone is happy and singing songs together and no one hates anyone, which is of course not how it is. And since everyone else WAS going for "do nothing to defend yourself" then the last remaining option for Eren is "genocide", though considering what the world has put him and his people through, it's not as if they don't deserve it.


      It's crazy that you continue to deny that people on both sides can get along peacefully despite this chapter being dedicated to exactly that. The entire message of this chapter is that the similarities of the people on both sides far outweigh the differences and that peace IS possible once people start to actually communicate.


      Which funny enough, even Jean and I think Hange also, said that in this chapter. That when all this time of the thousand years of hatred and mistrust when in reality, they know very little to actually nothing about each other on a personal level. Which is the heart of the issue they are in now, they just never sat down and talked, to realize that everything about each other is not what they thought

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Ever hear the phrase "Mercy is weakness, strength is truth"?

      No, but I did find a much better quote while searching for that one.

      "Violence is weakness. True strength comes not through brutality and savagery, but through tenderness, mercy and grace."

      Jean was absolutely right when he said that most of the world's problems stem from people not talking to each other.

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    • The thing about propaganda & brainwashing is that its not 100% effective. Much like abnormal titans who think differently from most titans, the same is true for humans, even though titans are technically humans. I don't like the term Cringevenger it sounds dumb, I'm in favor of an official name if Isayama gives us that. Besides I expected the team up to stop Eren since he gained the support of Ymir Fritz. We have to remember the importance of Mikasa & Armin that Eren Kruger gave to Grisha, meaning they both are necessary to stop Eren.

      The last chapter of Volume 26 also emphasizes the importance of talking to understand eachother, with Eren refusing to take the time to do that. Eren went off on his own without talking to his comrades, forcing them to take action as well in Liberio to prevent losing him. Gabi may have started off just like Eren, although she actually came to listen to Falco & others after her impulsiveness brought her to Paradis.

      I came to remember that I actually hated Eren a lot before learning of his Titan Powers & eventually he grew on me. The initial reason for hating Gabi is because she started off just like Eren without the Titan Powers, although she's actually starting to redeem herself. I still think she should have DragonBall GT Pan's VA in the English Dub, & I'll never forgive her for killing Sasha, although I'm starting to prefer her over Eren.

      I think we still have plenty of chapters left before this ends. I will say that Eren's plan completely ignores the fact that friendly nations exist with Mikasa actually being the leader of 1 of them, Hizuru. I expect that the world militaries are too busy dealing with the Wall Titans for that attack on Paradis to ever happen. I think I fall under the crazy ride category even though I never read that poll. I remember that working together to deal with a common threat line back during Trost, & it's fitting that Eren is that threat now.

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    • I do wonder:  If Eren were to succeed in destroying the outside world (most of whom he cannot brainwash), would he be willing to turn most of the survivors into an organic version of the Borg?  I'd personally love for Eren to turn the world into a perfect machine collective, since that would put an eternal end to that cycle of hate if his subjects can't feel grief, hatred, fear, or anything other than eternal bliss.

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    • Drivebladesman wrote:
      I do wonder:  If Eren were to succeed in destroying the outside world (most of whom he cannot brainwash), would he be willing to turn most of the survivors into an organic version of the Borg?  I'd personally love for Eren to turn the world into a perfect machine collective, since that would put an eternal end to that cycle of hate if his subjects can't feel grief, hatred, fear, or anything other than eternal bliss.

      Well I dunno about him doing that to the Walldians since that would ruin the notion of him doing the Rumbling for their sake, but for everyone outside the Walls? Absolutely, that would be an efficient way to keep Paradis safe from any further threats.

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Ever hear the phrase "Mercy is weakness, strength is truth"?

      No, but I did find a much better quote while searching for that one.

      "Violence is weakness. True strength comes not through brutality and savagery, but through tenderness, mercy and grace."

      Jean was absolutely right when he said that most of the world's problems stem from people not talking to each other.

      Not that I overly buy into that quote, but I'm curious about the source of it. The one I gave was from a historical drama based on the Culper Ring during the Revolutionary War. Ironically the quote was from one of the British soldier "characters" (I say that loosely because they're all based on real people) and the dude was a vicious savage (albeit an entertaining one), but that quote in particular really stuck with me since that's the kind of world we live in today.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Drivebladesman wrote:
      I do wonder:  If Eren were to succeed in destroying the outside world (most of whom he cannot brainwash), would he be willing to turn most of the survivors into an organic version of the Borg?  I'd personally love for Eren to turn the world into a perfect machine collective, since that would put an eternal end to that cycle of hate if his subjects can't feel grief, hatred, fear, or anything other than eternal bliss.
      Well I dunno about him doing that to the Walldians since that would ruin the notion of him doing the Rumbling for their sake, but for everyone outside the Walls? Absolutely, that would be an efficient way to keep Paradis safe from any further threats.

      Yeah, plus Eren and the Attack Titan yearn for freedom, which turning Paradis into the Borg would go against.

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    • WaterKirby1994 wrote:
      I still think she should have DragonBall GT Pan's VA in the English Dub. 

      You mean Gabi's new English Dub voice actress for upcoming Attack on Titan Final Season (first aired Japanese, then Dub).

      For me, I choose Reba Buhr (who voice llenn/ Karen Kohiruimaki - SAO GGO Anime, Misty from Pokémon Masters (free-to-play game only) and Myne - Ascendance of a Bookworm (what do you think in comments?).

      If you want who voice Falco is ,(again me) Jeannie Tirado (Norman - The Promised Neverland, Viktoriya Ivanovna Serebryakov - Saga of Tanya the Evil (never watch; only read wiki), Yume - Grimgar Ashes and Illusions, Zera - Fairy Tail Zero/Season 9 Final and Lutz - (also) Ascendance of a Bookworm.

      You can tell me, if not my message correct. I'm a new one, didn't know how to type, until now (but this is what I got).

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    • Isaac Zehnder wrote:
      WaterKirby1994 wrote:
      I still think she should have DragonBall GT Pan's VA in the English Dub. 
      You mean Gabi's new English Dub voice actress for upcoming Attack on Titan Final Season (first aired Japanese, then Dub).

      For me, I choose Reba Buhr (who voice llenn/ Karen Kohiruimaki - SAO GGO Anime, Misty from Pokémon Masters (free-to-play game only) and Myne - Ascendance of a Bookworm (what do you think in comments?).

      If you want who voice Falco is ,(again me) Jeannie Tirado (Norman - The Promised Neverland, Viktoriya Ivanovna Serebryakov - Saga of Tanya the Evil (never watch; only read wiki), Yume - Grimgar Ashes and Illusions, Zera - Fairy Tail Zero/Season 9 Final and Lutz - (also) Ascendance of a Bookworm.

      You can tell me, if not my message correct. I'm a new one, didn't know how to type, until now (but this is what I got).

      I'm unfamiliar with the work of Reba Buhr, & think Elise Baughman should voice Gabi. Pan from Dragon Ball GT is kind of similar to Gabi in that they both are creator's pet girls who fans don't really like. Whenever I read Gabi's lines in the manga I tend to imagine her having Pan's voice. Your choice for Falco is interesting, I saw Promised Neverland on Toonami.

      As for the actual length of this Final Season I'm hoping it ends up being at least 32 episodes so it won't feel rushed like Season 3 was. I get the feeling there will probably be 33 Volumes if this is Attack on Titan's final year. Still it feels like the series could keep going & last for more than 7 more chapters, which is fine by me. I get the feeling the season could potentially end up split into 3 parts each with their own intro & end themes.

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    • WaterKirby1994 wrote:
      Isaac Zehnder wrote:
      WaterKirby1994 wrote:
      I still think she should have DragonBall GT Pan's VA in the English Dub. 
      You mean Gabi's new English Dub voice actress for upcoming Attack on Titan Final Season (first aired Japanese, then Dub).

      For me, I choose Reba Buhr (who voice llenn/ Karen Kohiruimaki - SAO GGO Anime, Misty from Pokémon Masters (free-to-play game only) and Myne - Ascendance of a Bookworm (what do you think in comments?).

      If you want who voice Falco is ,(again me) Jeannie Tirado (Norman - The Promised Neverland, Viktoriya Ivanovna Serebryakov - Saga of Tanya the Evil (never watch; only read wiki), Yume - Grimgar Ashes and Illusions, Zera - Fairy Tail Zero/Season 9 Final and Lutz - (also) Ascendance of a Bookworm.

      You can tell me, if not my message correct. I'm a new one, didn't know how to type, until now (but this is what I got).

      I'm unfamiliar with the work of Reba Buhr, & think Elise Baughman should voice Gabi. Pan from Dragon Ball GT is kind of similar to Gabi in that they both are creator's pet girls who fans don't really like. Whenever I read Gabi's lines in the manga I tend to imagine her having Pan's voice. Your choice for Falco is interesting, I saw Promised Neverland on Toonami.

      As for the actual length of this Final Season I'm hoping it ends up being at least 32 episodes so it won't feel rushed like Season 3 was. I get the feeling there will probably be 33 Volumes if this is Attack on Titan's final year. Still it feels like the series could keep going & last for more than 7 more chapters, which is fine by me. I get the feeling the season could potentially end up split into 3 parts each with their own intro & end themes.

      Honestly whoever ends up voicing Gabi Sue should be given a medal, no one should have to sully their resume with that godawful brat.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Ever hear the phrase "Mercy is weakness, strength is truth"?

      I don't really have much to say about the "mercy is weakness" thing right now, nor about its counterpoints.  Al I have to say is I've found a better version of that phrase:  "Read my lips—mercy is for wimps!" - Kefka Palazzo

      LOL  Now, the reason that's a better version is because it's funnier (not to mention that Kefka makes me laugh).

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Ever hear the phrase "Mercy is weakness, strength is truth"?

      No, but I did find a much better quote while searching for that one.

      "Violence is weakness. True strength comes not through brutality and savagery, but through tenderness, mercy and grace."

      Jean was absolutely right when he said that most of the world's problems stem from people not talking to each other.

      Not that I overly buy into that quote, but I'm curious about the source of it. The one I gave was from a historical drama based on the Culper Ring during the Revolutionary War. Ironically the quote was from one of the British soldier "characters" (I say that loosely because they're all based on real people) and the dude was a vicious savage (albeit an entertaining one), but that quote in particular really stuck with me since that's the kind of world we live in today.

      It's a quote by a guy named Mango Wodzak. Seems he is a fruitarian (people who only eat fruit, nuts, and seeds) and author from Queensland, Australia. Never heard of him until I was looking up your quote and found his.

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    • Isaac Zehnder wrote:

      WaterKirby1994 wrote:
      I still think she should have DragonBall GT Pan's VA in the English Dub. 

      You mean Gabi's new English Dub voice actress for upcoming Attack on Titan Final Season (first aired Japanese, then Dub).

      For me, I choose Reba Buhr (who voice llenn/ Karen Kohiruimaki - SAO GGO Anime, Misty from Pokémon Masters (free-to-play game only) and Myne - Ascendance of a Bookworm (what do you think in comments?).

      If you want who voice Falco is ,(again me) Jeannie Tirado (Norman - The Promised Neverland, Viktoriya Ivanovna Serebryakov - Saga of Tanya the Evil (never watch; only read wiki), Yume - Grimgar Ashes and Illusions, Zera - Fairy Tail Zero/Season 9 Final and Lutz - (also) Ascendance of a Bookworm.

      You can tell me, if not my message correct. I'm a new one, didn't know how to type, until now (but this is what I got).

      Do you watch English dubs more often than subs?

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      WaterKirby1994 wrote:
      Isaac Zehnder wrote:
      WaterKirby1994 wrote:
      I still think she should have DragonBall GT Pan's VA in the English Dub. 
      You mean Gabi's new English Dub voice actress for upcoming Attack on Titan Final Season (first aired Japanese, then Dub).

      For me, I choose Reba Buhr (who voice llenn/ Karen Kohiruimaki - SAO GGO Anime, Misty from Pokémon Masters (free-to-play game only) and Myne - Ascendance of a Bookworm (what do you think in comments?).

      If you want who voice Falco is ,(again me) Jeannie Tirado (Norman - The Promised Neverland, Viktoriya Ivanovna Serebryakov - Saga of Tanya the Evil (never watch; only read wiki), Yume - Grimgar Ashes and Illusions, Zera - Fairy Tail Zero/Season 9 Final and Lutz - (also) Ascendance of a Bookworm.

      You can tell me, if not my message correct. I'm a new one, didn't know how to type, until now (but this is what I got).

      I'm unfamiliar with the work of Reba Buhr, & think Elise Baughman should voice Gabi. Pan from Dragon Ball GT is kind of similar to Gabi in that they both are creator's pet girls who fans don't really like. Whenever I read Gabi's lines in the manga I tend to imagine her having Pan's voice. Your choice for Falco is interesting, I saw Promised Neverland on Toonami.

      As for the actual length of this Final Season I'm hoping it ends up being at least 32 episodes so it won't feel rushed like Season 3 was. I get the feeling there will probably be 33 Volumes if this is Attack on Titan's final year. Still it feels like the series could keep going & last for more than 7 more chapters, which is fine by me. I get the feeling the season could potentially end up split into 3 parts each with their own intro & end themes.

      Honestly whoever ends up voicing Gabi Sue should be given a medal, no one should have to sully their resume with that godawful brat.

      I don't think any English dub voice cast would care. Although there are some voice actors like say in Japan for one, would not have their actual names credited, just no names at all if it is like a despicable irredeemable character. And no I don't think Gabi fits that description.

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    • Drivebladesman wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Ever hear the phrase "Mercy is weakness, strength is truth"?

      I don't really have much to say about the "mercy is weakness" thing right now, nor about its counterpoints.  Al I have to say is I've found a better version of that phrase:  "Read my lips—mercy is for wimps!" - Kefka Palazzo

      Who is Kefka Palazzo?

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Drivebladesman wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Ever hear the phrase "Mercy is weakness, strength is truth"?

      I don't really have much to say about the "mercy is weakness" thing right now, nor about its counterpoints.  Al I have to say is I've found a better version of that phrase:  "Read my lips—mercy is for wimps!" - Kefka Palazzo

      Who is Kefka Palazzo?

      The main villain from Final Fantasy 6; he's also popular and famous enough to regularly appear in the Dissidia Final Fantasy series.



      https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Kefka_Palazzo

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    • Drivebladesman wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Drivebladesman wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Ever hear the phrase "Mercy is weakness, strength is truth"?

      I don't really have much to say about the "mercy is weakness" thing right now, nor about its counterpoints.  Al I have to say is I've found a better version of that phrase:  "Read my lips—mercy is for wimps!" - Kefka Palazzo

      Who is Kefka Palazzo?

      The main villain from Final Fantasy 6; he's also popular and famous enough to regularly appear in the Dissidia Final Fantasy series.



      https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Kefka_Palazzo

      Oh. Well thanks just never played Final Fantasy.

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    • Neetaku wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Neetaku wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      I don't pretend the people outside the Walls don't exist. I just don't care about them. We started the series with the Paradis Eldians before we even knew what an Eldian or a Paradis was. It's only fair that we support their wellbeing, and the Rumbling is the only way to do that.

      Maybe you're new here, but I give zero shits about [and have zero empathy for] the Warriors or anyone outside the Walls. They've done too much to be forgiven or even remotely likable. And that was true even before the basement reveal; I was glad when Bertolt died. Hell, I CHEERED when he got what he deserved, and I've been hoping to Ymir that Reiner and Annie (and as of 105, Gabi) will get the same.

      Wait, but we also started this series with Bertolt, Annie and Reiner. By your logic, doesn't that mean that it's only fair that we support their wellbeing?
      Technically you're right in that we started with them as well. But then they were revealed to be the Titans behind all the tragedy and chaos that ruined  Eren's life. Whatever love and respect I had for them turned into pure hatred. And that hasn't changed with their "tragic" backstories revealed. So what if they were 'brainwashed' and 'child soldiers'? Boo hoo, the SC had tragic backstories too, didn't make them evil little shits.

      Ironically, though, I like Zeke as a villain. I just wish they stuck with the psychopathic conductor of chaos who just wanted to watch the world burn, a la Joker, rather than make him into yet another misunderstood victim.

      What Eren did to Liberio was no better than what RBA did to Shiganshina. He killed dozens, if not hundreds of civilians who had nothing to do with the Paradis-Marleyan conflict. And before you say that they are evil for not standing up to Marley, let me remind you that they are all being kept in prison camps under the watch of armed guards. There's nothing they can do.

      So, that being said, I can just parrot everything you just said about RBA back against Eren. He is responsible for all of the tragedy and chaos which will surely ruin the lives of many Liberio survivors (short as those lives may be if Eren gets his way). That doesn't change because of his "tragic" backstory. So what if his mother was killed in front of him? Boo hoo, the Warriors had tragic backstories too, and they're not trying to commit genocide on a global scale.

      Not that Hange or Armin ended up being much help; those spineless cowards absolutely refused to make the hard choices needed to protect Paradis from it's enemies. Ever hear the phrase "Mercy is weakness, strength is truth"?
      Nope. Never heard of it, and it sounds very naive in the first place (no offense meant to whoever wrote it). If you want to take revenge on someone who you feel has wronged you, and you take revenge, then you are obviously doing what is easiest for you. You're just doing what you want. On the contrary, if someone has wronged you and you decide to forgive them instead of taking revenge (which I would say goes against human nature), then you are clearly making harder choice simply by virtue of having the self control to deny your own base desires. It's why so many people do admire parents who forgive their child's murderer (because it does happen in real life; it's not something Isayama made up), even if most people acknowledge that they wouldn't be able to be so forgiving.

      It doesn't matter if they are real or fictional; any parent that just up and forgives their child's killer is pathetic. They're not the kind of people I would consider family, and I will always view those types of 'family members' as weaklings for not getting justice for their child.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      Neetaku wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Neetaku wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      I don't pretend the people outside the Walls don't exist. I just don't care about them. We started the series with the Paradis Eldians before we even knew what an Eldian or a Paradis was. It's only fair that we support their wellbeing, and the Rumbling is the only way to do that.

      Maybe you're new here, but I give zero shits about [and have zero empathy for] the Warriors or anyone outside the Walls. They've done too much to be forgiven or even remotely likable. And that was true even before the basement reveal; I was glad when Bertolt died. Hell, I CHEERED when he got what he deserved, and I've been hoping to Ymir that Reiner and Annie (and as of 105, Gabi) will get the same.

      Wait, but we also started this series with Bertolt, Annie and Reiner. By your logic, doesn't that mean that it's only fair that we support their wellbeing?
      Technically you're right in that we started with them as well. But then they were revealed to be the Titans behind all the tragedy and chaos that ruined  Eren's life. Whatever love and respect I had for them turned into pure hatred. And that hasn't changed with their "tragic" backstories revealed. So what if they were 'brainwashed' and 'child soldiers'? Boo hoo, the SC had tragic backstories too, didn't make them evil little shits.

      Ironically, though, I like Zeke as a villain. I just wish they stuck with the psychopathic conductor of chaos who just wanted to watch the world burn, a la Joker, rather than make him into yet another misunderstood victim.

      What Eren did to Liberio was no better than what RBA did to Shiganshina. He killed dozens, if not hundreds of civilians who had nothing to do with the Paradis-Marleyan conflict. And before you say that they are evil for not standing up to Marley, let me remind you that they are all being kept in prison camps under the watch of armed guards. There's nothing they can do.

      So, that being said, I can just parrot everything you just said about RBA back against Eren. He is responsible for all of the tragedy and chaos which will surely ruin the lives of many Liberio survivors (short as those lives may be if Eren gets his way). That doesn't change because of his "tragic" backstory. So what if his mother was killed in front of him? Boo hoo, the Warriors had tragic backstories too, and they're not trying to commit genocide on a global scale.

      Not that Hange or Armin ended up being much help; those spineless cowards absolutely refused to make the hard choices needed to protect Paradis from it's enemies. Ever hear the phrase "Mercy is weakness, strength is truth"?
      Nope. Never heard of it, and it sounds very naive in the first place (no offense meant to whoever wrote it). If you want to take revenge on someone who you feel has wronged you, and you take revenge, then you are obviously doing what is easiest for you. You're just doing what you want. On the contrary, if someone has wronged you and you decide to forgive them instead of taking revenge (which I would say goes against human nature), then you are clearly making harder choice simply by virtue of having the self control to deny your own base desires. It's why so many people do admire parents who forgive their child's murderer (because it does happen in real life; it's not something Isayama made up), even if most people acknowledge that they wouldn't be able to be so forgiving.
      It doesn't matter if they are real or fictional; any parent that just up and forgives their child's killer is pathetic. They're not the kind of people I would consider family, and I will always view those types of 'family members' as weaklings for not getting justice for their child.

      Taking Revenge is not justice lmao. Are you what? 12? You dont have the right to make justice with your own hands, because you are biased,and justice cannot be. And the only pathetic person here is the one who cant let go of their childish and pitiful hatred agaisnt fictional characters who were clearly not written for you to hate them. Ever.

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    • And the only pathetic person here is the one who cant let go of their childish and pitiful hatred agaisnt fictional characters who were clearly not written for you to hate them. Ever.

      Just because someone isn't written/meant to be hated doesn't mean they can't be hated. Look at Gabi. Look at the Warriors. Hell, look at Mikasa and Floch (even though I like him). They're all characters who are supposed to serve a narrative purpose but still have pretty sizable hatedoms. It's not a bad thing to hate a character if you don't like them, or if they aren't likable. That's kind of how it works.

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    • LinksAMV wrote:


      Penguinluver1431 wrote:



      Neetaku wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Neetaku wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      I don't pretend the people outside the Walls don't exist. I just don't care about them. We started the series with the Paradis Eldians before we even knew what an Eldian or a Paradis was. It's only fair that we support their wellbeing, and the Rumbling is the only way to do that.

      Maybe you're new here, but I give zero shits about [and have zero empathy for] the Warriors or anyone outside the Walls. They've done too much to be forgiven or even remotely likable. And that was true even before the basement reveal; I was glad when Bertolt died. Hell, I CHEERED when he got what he deserved, and I've been hoping to Ymir that Reiner and Annie (and as of 105, Gabi) will get the same.

      Wait, but we also started this series with Bertolt, Annie and Reiner. By your logic, doesn't that mean that it's only fair that we support their wellbeing?
      Technically you're right in that we started with them as well. But then they were revealed to be the Titans behind all the tragedy and chaos that ruined  Eren's life. Whatever love and respect I had for them turned into pure hatred. And that hasn't changed with their "tragic" backstories revealed. So what if they were 'brainwashed' and 'child soldiers'? Boo hoo, the SC had tragic backstories too, didn't make them evil little shits.

      Ironically, though, I like Zeke as a villain. I just wish they stuck with the psychopathic conductor of chaos who just wanted to watch the world burn, a la Joker, rather than make him into yet another misunderstood victim.

      What Eren did to Liberio was no better than what RBA did to Shiganshina. He killed dozens, if not hundreds of civilians who had nothing to do with the Paradis-Marleyan conflict. And before you say that they are evil for not standing up to Marley, let me remind you that they are all being kept in prison camps under the watch of armed guards. There's nothing they can do.

      So, that being said, I can just parrot everything you just said about RBA back against Eren. He is responsible for all of the tragedy and chaos which will surely ruin the lives of many Liberio survivors (short as those lives may be if Eren gets his way). That doesn't change because of his "tragic" backstory. So what if his mother was killed in front of him? Boo hoo, the Warriors had tragic backstories too, and they're not trying to commit genocide on a global scale.

      Not that Hange or Armin ended up being much help; those spineless cowards absolutely refused to make the hard choices needed to protect Paradis from it's enemies. Ever hear the phrase "Mercy is weakness, strength is truth"?
      Nope. Never heard of it, and it sounds very naive in the first place (no offense meant to whoever wrote it). If you want to take revenge on someone who you feel has wronged you, and you take revenge, then you are obviously doing what is easiest for you. You're just doing what you want. On the contrary, if someone has wronged you and you decide to forgive them instead of taking revenge (which I would say goes against human nature), then you are clearly making harder choice simply by virtue of having the self control to deny your own base desires. It's why so many people do admire parents who forgive their child's murderer (because it does happen in real life; it's not something Isayama made up), even if most people acknowledge that they wouldn't be able to be so forgiving.
      It doesn't matter if they are real or fictional; any parent that just up and forgives their child's killer is pathetic. They're not the kind of people I would consider family, and I will always view those types of 'family members' as weaklings for not getting justice for their child.
      Taking Revenge is not justice lmao. Are you what? 12? You dont have the right to make justice with your own hands, because you are biased,and justice cannot be. And the only pathetic person here is the one who cant let go of their childish and pitiful hatred agaisnt fictional characters who were clearly not written for you to hate them. Ever.

      Justice cannpt be biased?  Oh yes it can; in fact it has to be.  Just look at One Piece, including this video:



      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6spXHrMQsM



      Moral of One Piece is pretty much don't ever think for one second that morality is objective (well, except for the fact that power is the only thing that decides morality).

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    • Drivebladesman wrote:
      LinksAMV wrote:


      Penguinluver1431 wrote:



      Neetaku wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      Neetaku wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      I don't pretend the people outside the Walls don't exist. I just don't care about them. We started the series with the Paradis Eldians before we even knew what an Eldian or a Paradis was. It's only fair that we support their wellbeing, and the Rumbling is the only way to do that.

      Maybe you're new here, but I give zero shits about [and have zero empathy for] the Warriors or anyone outside the Walls. They've done too much to be forgiven or even remotely likable. And that was true even before the basement reveal; I was glad when Bertolt died. Hell, I CHEERED when he got what he deserved, and I've been hoping to Ymir that Reiner and Annie (and as of 105, Gabi) will get the same.

      Wait, but we also started this series with Bertolt, Annie and Reiner. By your logic, doesn't that mean that it's only fair that we support their wellbeing?
      Technically you're right in that we started with them as well. But then they were revealed to be the Titans behind all the tragedy and chaos that ruined  Eren's life. Whatever love and respect I had for them turned into pure hatred. And that hasn't changed with their "tragic" backstories revealed. So what if they were 'brainwashed' and 'child soldiers'? Boo hoo, the SC had tragic backstories too, didn't make them evil little shits.

      Ironically, though, I like Zeke as a villain. I just wish they stuck with the psychopathic conductor of chaos who just wanted to watch the world burn, a la Joker, rather than make him into yet another misunderstood victim.

      What Eren did to Liberio was no better than what RBA did to Shiganshina. He killed dozens, if not hundreds of civilians who had nothing to do with the Paradis-Marleyan conflict. And before you say that they are evil for not standing up to Marley, let me remind you that they are all being kept in prison camps under the watch of armed guards. There's nothing they can do.

      So, that being said, I can just parrot everything you just said about RBA back against Eren. He is responsible for all of the tragedy and chaos which will surely ruin the lives of many Liberio survivors (short as those lives may be if Eren gets his way). That doesn't change because of his "tragic" backstory. So what if his mother was killed in front of him? Boo hoo, the Warriors had tragic backstories too, and they're not trying to commit genocide on a global scale.

      Not that Hange or Armin ended up being much help; those spineless cowards absolutely refused to make the hard choices needed to protect Paradis from it's enemies. Ever hear the phrase "Mercy is weakness, strength is truth"?
      Nope. Never heard of it, and it sounds very naive in the first place (no offense meant to whoever wrote it). If you want to take revenge on someone who you feel has wronged you, and you take revenge, then you are obviously doing what is easiest for you. You're just doing what you want. On the contrary, if someone has wronged you and you decide to forgive them instead of taking revenge (which I would say goes against human nature), then you are clearly making harder choice simply by virtue of having the self control to deny your own base desires. It's why so many people do admire parents who forgive their child's murderer (because it does happen in real life; it's not something Isayama made up), even if most people acknowledge that they wouldn't be able to be so forgiving.
      It doesn't matter if they are real or fictional; any parent that just up and forgives their child's killer is pathetic. They're not the kind of people I would consider family, and I will always view those types of 'family members' as weaklings for not getting justice for their child.
      Taking Revenge is not justice lmao. Are you what? 12? You dont have the right to make justice with your own hands, because you are biased,and justice cannot be. And the only pathetic person here is the one who cant let go of their childish and pitiful hatred agaisnt fictional characters who were clearly not written for you to hate them. Ever.
      Justice cannpt be biased?  Oh yes it can; in fact it has to be.  Just look at One Piece, including this video:



      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6spXHrMQsM



      Moral of One Piece is pretty much don't ever think for one second that morality is objective (well, except for the fact that power is the only thing that decides morality).

      I love that it's Doflamingo who's always making the most important speeches, including the one about power determining what justice is, especially considering he's an extremely vengeful individual forged into being a brutal monster for the sake of his ultimate goals. And like Eren, Doflamingo's longterm goal (eradicating the Celestial Dragons and World Nobles in revenge for leaving him for dead) will benefit the protagonists in the long run since they too would be in a much better world without people like Marley and the World Nobles ruling with an iron fist.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      And the only pathetic person here is the one who cant let go of their childish and pitiful hatred agaisnt fictional characters who were clearly not written for you to hate them. Ever.

      Just because someone isn't written/meant to be hated doesn't mean they can't be hated. Look at Gabi. Look at the Warriors. Hell, look at Mikasa and Floch (even though I like him). They're all characters who are supposed to serve a narrative purpose but still have pretty sizable hatedoms. It's not a bad thing to hate a character if you don't like them, or if they aren't likable. That's kind of how it works.

      Okay true you are right. You and anyone else are free to hate whichever character you want, whether good or dumb reasons.

      I personally don't have favorite or hated character, I tend to be neutral and try to understand the characters and where they are coming from.

      However, what bugs me though, is that when people say they "hate character A" because they absolutely dislike them as characters. However when people say they "hate character B" because they hate him/her, but same time they like him/her. Its really hard to tell when people say they hate said character, confusing as in you hate hate them for being bad, or you actually love hate them for being good?

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    • Why do I have a funny feeling that their alliance is going to end in disaster.  There are too many red flags popping up within this chapter.  It feels like that there will be a lot of deaths within the survey corp and Marley alliance.  Not to mention betrayal which will shatter the alliance altogether, and their reputation altogether.



      I can only imagine how this going to end.  In chapter 128, it will focus on mostly in action sequence.  Survey/Marley alliance is going to attack the Yeagerists.  The attack will be vicious, but they (Alliance) will emerge victorious because they'll gain support from those who defects from Yeagerists (It'll be Keith Shadis cadets mostly).



      Chapter 129 will focus on its aftermath and it'll be where moral compass is going to collide.  Floch will no doubht survive, slightly injured.  However, he'll be tortured for information, or will be used as part of convincing Yelena to give intel (depending on their relationship).  It will be brutal because desperate times calls forth desperate measures.  Both Warriors and Levi Squad will either be present or close by to hear the torture.  They will be uncomfortable, bringing up some unpleasent memories such as torturing Djel Sannes (MP).  Some of them will think that this is a wrong idea because back then, they were fighting against a corrupt government.  Now, they are dealing with another organisation who also desires to protect Paradise and its inhabitants.



      Afterwards, the aircraft will be ready for take off and fly towards Eren after gaining some kind of intel.  That's if the massive titan is really Eren Yeager.  I'm not at all convinced about that titan indentity.

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    • Gonna be sad seeing Squad Levi fight the Yeagerists alongside the Marleyans.  Bunch of traitors they are for abandonning their homeland and joining forces with the nation that will show no remorse fuck them over HARD if this allience bullshit succeeds. 

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    • man im really enjoying this manga in this hiatus, im enjoying this team up



      do we know how many volumes are left of the saga and will we get them regularly every month in this virus outbreak?

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    • EthanPHX wrote:
      Gonna be sad seeing Squad Levi fight the Yeagerists alongside the Marleyans.  Bunch of traitors they are for abandonning their homeland and joining forces with the nation that will show no remorse fuck them over HARD if this allience bullshit succeeds. 

      That's exactly what the problem with the series has been post-timeskip, it suddenly took the evil empire that was being built up and turned them into 'misunderstood victims' and took actual victims from Paradis and turned them into "the bad guys". I will be so glad if the alliance falls apart, if the Warriors all die, and/or if Eren ultimately succeeds

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      EthanPHX wrote:
      Gonna be sad seeing Squad Levi fight the Yeagerists alongside the Marleyans.  Bunch of traitors they are for abandonning their homeland and joining forces with the nation that will show no remorse fuck them over HARD if this allience bullshit succeeds. 
      That's exactly what the problem with the series has been post-timeskip, it suddenly took the evil empire that was being built up and turned them into 'misunderstood victims' and took actual victims from Paradis and turned them into "the bad guys". I will be so glad if the alliance falls apart, if the Warriors all die, and/or if Eren ultimately succeeds


      Well for a starters, Isayama Hajime was making it that all sides are both evil and good.  They all have their reasons to fight.



      For Eren Yeager, his reason to fight is desire to be free.  He believes it and with the Marley Warriors who attacked his homeland, Eren needs to fight until all enemies are defeated and he'll be truly free.



      I do believe that the alliance between Marley and Survey Corp won't last long and Eren will survive.  The Survey Corp are too busy trying to show humanity that Eldians are good guys, despite how subjects of ymir are being seen and treated.  Marley are only using the alliance in order to get hold of Erens' founding titan powers.  Once Eren Yeager is within grasping distance or that massive titan stops moving, they will end the alliance by betraying Hanji and everyone.  Their sole purpose is shutting down the rumbling and resume on destroying Paradise because they are devils/evil to them.  That will happen after the Survey Corp has exhausted all their strenghts, numbers and supplies.  However, Eren Yeager probably knows of this because his attack titan powers and has a plan already in motion that will make the Survey Corp look stupid.

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      Gonna be sad seeing Squad Levi fight the Yeagerists alongside the Marleyans.  Bunch of traitors they are for abandonning their homeland and joining forces with the nation that will show no remorse fuck them over HARD if this allience bullshit succeeds. 


      No, the Survey Corp are in fact misguided.  Their humanity on not wanting a war is getting in the way.



      The alliance will fall because of betrayal.

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    • If the allience succeeds then Paradis is done for.  I seriously do not get how Hange doesn't realize it.  Disrespectful for her to assume Erwin would be for the allience.  Hange used to be my favorite character but post time skip her character got ruined with compasion along with everyone else, ESPECIALLY Armin.  How the hell does Armin go from "In order to rise above monsters, you must abandon your humanity" to GUYS LETS JUST TALK IT OUT!!!!!  Post-time skip Armin is a little bitch and only proves to us that Kenny (haha you thought I was gonna say Erwin) should have gotten the serum.  I really don't get how the remaining Scouts are agreeing to side with the same people who want them dead.  It's so selfish for the Scouts to fight for Marley because they are effectively fucking over the whole island by doing so.



      Floch is the only good person left from the 104th since he is fighting for his OWN country.

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    • Okay Ethan you are confusing things.

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    • EthanPHX wrote:
      If the allience succeeds then Paradis is done for.  I seriously do not get how Hange doesn't realize it.  Disrespectful for her to assume Erwin would be for the allience.  Hange used to be my favorite character but post time skip her character got ruined with compasion along with everyone else, ESPECIALLY Armin.  How the hell does Armin go from "In order to rise above monsters, you must abandon your humanity" to GUYS LETS JUST TALK IT OUT!!!!!  Post-time skip Armin is a little bitch and only proves to us that Kenny (haha you thought I was gonna say Erwin) should have gotten the serum.  I really don't get how the remaining Scouts are agreeing to side with the same people who want them dead.  It's so selfish for the Scouts to fight for Marley because they are effectively fucking over the whole island by doing so.


      Floch is the only good person left from the 104th since he is fighting for his OWN country.


      The Survey Corp are only misguided on a idea that everything will be well after they stopped Eren.  They lack the intel about how outsiders see Eldians as threats because of history.  And due to that history, treat Eldians like second-class citizens or trash.  Don't forget, they lived on their isolated island for years without knowing about humans beyond the walls.  That is until they discovered Grisha Yeager journals within the basement.



      Armin Arlert is also misguided because he's being influenced somehow by Bertholdt Hoovers' memories.  If he wasn't going to die and received the colossal titan powers, Armin probably be more on Erens' side, or more wanting to protect Paradisians from outside threats.

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    • EthanPHX wrote:
      If the allience succeeds then Paradis is done for.  I seriously do not get how Hange doesn't realize it.  Disrespectful for her to assume Erwin would be for the allience.  Hange used to be my favorite character but post time skip her character got ruined with compasion along with everyone else, ESPECIALLY Armin.  How the hell does Armin go from "In order to rise above monsters, you must abandon your humanity" to GUYS LETS JUST TALK IT OUT!!!!!  Post-time skip Armin is a little bitch and only proves to us that Kenny (haha you thought I was gonna say Erwin) should have gotten the serum.  I really don't get how the remaining Scouts are agreeing to side with the same people who want them dead.  It's so selfish for the Scouts to fight for Marley because they are effectively fucking over the whole island by doing so.


      Floch is the only good person left from the 104th since he is fighting for his OWN country.

      This x1000, such a letdown compared to everything pre-timeskip. Ever since then Hange has been annoying an unlikable.

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    • Honestly Hange has been always typically annoying in some areas, but never was she unlikable.

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    • EthanPHX wrote: If the allience succeeds then Paradis is done for.  I seriously do not get how Hange doesn't realize it.  Disrespectful for her to assume Erwin would be for the allience.  Hange used to be my favorite character but post time skip her character got ruined with compasion along with everyone else, ESPECIALLY Armin.  How the hell does Armin go from "In order to rise above monsters, you must abandon your humanity" to GUYS LETS JUST TALK IT OUT!!!!!  Post-time skip Armin is a little bitch and only proves to us that Kenny (haha you thought I was gonna say Erwin) should have gotten the serum.  I really don't get how the remaining Scouts are agreeing to side with the same people who want them dead.  It's so selfish for the Scouts to fight for Marley because they are effectively fucking over the whole island by doing so.



      Floch is the only good person left from the 104th since he is fighting for his OWN country.

      Maybe because they don't want the entire world's population to be murdered?

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote: If the allience succeeds then Paradis is done for.  I seriously do not get how Hange doesn't realize it.  Disrespectful for her to assume Erwin would be for the allience.  Hange used to be my favorite character but post time skip her character got ruined with compasion along with everyone else, ESPECIALLY Armin.  How the hell does Armin go from "In order to rise above monsters, you must abandon your humanity" to GUYS LETS JUST TALK IT OUT!!!!!  Post-time skip Armin is a little bitch and only proves to us that Kenny (haha you thought I was gonna say Erwin) should have gotten the serum.  I really don't get how the remaining Scouts are agreeing to side with the same people who want them dead.  It's so selfish for the Scouts to fight for Marley because they are effectively fucking over the whole island by doing so.



      Floch is the only good person left from the 104th since he is fighting for his OWN country.

      Maybe because they don't want the entire world's population to be murdered?

      What? You mean people aren’t genocidal to everyone outside of who they know? Such a bizarre thing

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote: If the allience succeeds then Paradis is done for.  I seriously do not get how Hange doesn't realize it.  Disrespectful for her to assume Erwin would be for the allience.  Hange used to be my favorite character but post time skip her character got ruined with compasion along with everyone else, ESPECIALLY Armin.  How the hell does Armin go from "In order to rise above monsters, you must abandon your humanity" to GUYS LETS JUST TALK IT OUT!!!!!  Post-time skip Armin is a little bitch and only proves to us that Kenny (haha you thought I was gonna say Erwin) should have gotten the serum.  I really don't get how the remaining Scouts are agreeing to side with the same people who want them dead.  It's so selfish for the Scouts to fight for Marley because they are effectively fucking over the whole island by doing so.



      Floch is the only good person left from the 104th since he is fighting for his OWN country.

      Maybe because they don't want the entire world's population to be murdered?

      Put yourself in a paradian civilan's shoes.  The whole entire world wants them massacred.  The only way to ensure their survival is if the Wall Titans succeed in rumbling the world.  Any sane paradian civilian would support the rumbling because if it fails they are fucking dead. It's not about good or evil.  It's about survival.  That is the reason why I hate the remaining scouts since they are putting their lives on the line to save the outsiders and not their own people

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    • EthanPHX wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote: If the allience succeeds then Paradis is done for.  I seriously do not get how Hange doesn't realize it.  Disrespectful for her to assume Erwin would be for the allience.  Hange used to be my favorite character but post time skip her character got ruined with compasion along with everyone else, ESPECIALLY Armin.  How the hell does Armin go from "In order to rise above monsters, you must abandon your humanity" to GUYS LETS JUST TALK IT OUT!!!!!  Post-time skip Armin is a little bitch and only proves to us that Kenny (haha you thought I was gonna say Erwin) should have gotten the serum.  I really don't get how the remaining Scouts are agreeing to side with the same people who want them dead.  It's so selfish for the Scouts to fight for Marley because they are effectively fucking over the whole island by doing so.



      Floch is the only good person left from the 104th since he is fighting for his OWN country.

      Maybe because they don't want the entire world's population to be murdered?

      Put yourself in a paradian civilan's shoes.  The whole entire world wants them massacred.  The only way to ensure their survival is if the Wall Titans succeed in rumbling the world.  Any sane paradian civilian would support the rumbling because if it fails they are fucking dead. It's not about good or evil.  It's about survival.  That is the reason why I hate the remaining scouts since they are putting their lives on the line to save the outsiders and not their own people

      Citation needed. Just Marely seems to want them dead and not every citizen especially the ones oppressed by the same government. Liberio seems to have other things to worry about then wanting the death of all of them. Therefore calling this the only way to survive is a stretch. Plus the scouts have been on the frontlines pretty much there whole lives. Something tells me they have 10 times the ground to speak on it far more then any of the Paradis citizens

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    • Jayrob95 wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote: If the allience succeeds then Paradis is done for.  I seriously do not get how Hange doesn't realize it.  Disrespectful for her to assume Erwin would be for the allience.  Hange used to be my favorite character but post time skip her character got ruined with compasion along with everyone else, ESPECIALLY Armin.  How the hell does Armin go from "In order to rise above monsters, you must abandon your humanity" to GUYS LETS JUST TALK IT OUT!!!!!  Post-time skip Armin is a little bitch and only proves to us that Kenny (haha you thought I was gonna say Erwin) should have gotten the serum.  I really don't get how the remaining Scouts are agreeing to side with the same people who want them dead.  It's so selfish for the Scouts to fight for Marley because they are effectively fucking over the whole island by doing so.



      Floch is the only good person left from the 104th since he is fighting for his OWN country.

      Maybe because they don't want the entire world's population to be murdered?
      Put yourself in a paradian civilan's shoes.  The whole entire world wants them massacred.  The only way to ensure their survival is if the Wall Titans succeed in rumbling the world.  Any sane paradian civilian would support the rumbling because if it fails they are fucking dead. It's not about good or evil.  It's about survival.  That is the reason why I hate the remaining scouts since they are putting their lives on the line to save the outsiders and not their own people
      Citation needed. Just Marely seems to want them dead and not every citizen especially the ones oppressed by the same government. Liberio seems to have other things to worry about then wanting the death of all of them. Therefore calling this the only way to survive is a stretch. Plus the scouts have been on the frontlines pretty much there whole lives. Something tells me they have 10 times the ground to speak on it far more then any of the Paradis citizens

      If scouts have all this high ground then what about Floch and the rest of the scouts that joined the yeagerists?  Guess they don't matter since they aren't your main characters, eh?  Also, it was stated back in the Marley arc that other countries treat Eldians much worse than Marley does and wants the valuable resources that reside inside Paradis Island

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    • EthanPHX wrote:

      Jayrob95 wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote: If the allience succeeds then Paradis is done for.  I seriously do not get how Hange doesn't realize it.  Disrespectful for her to assume Erwin would be for the allience.  Hange used to be my favorite character but post time skip her character got ruined with compasion along with everyone else, ESPECIALLY Armin.  How the hell does Armin go from "In order to rise above monsters, you must abandon your humanity" to GUYS LETS JUST TALK IT OUT!!!!!  Post-time skip Armin is a little bitch and only proves to us that Kenny (haha you thought I was gonna say Erwin) should have gotten the serum.  I really don't get how the remaining Scouts are agreeing to side with the same people who want them dead.  It's so selfish for the Scouts to fight for Marley because they are effectively fucking over the whole island by doing so.



      Floch is the only good person left from the 104th since he is fighting for his OWN country.

      Maybe because they don't want the entire world's population to be murdered?
      Put yourself in a paradian civilan's shoes.  The whole entire world wants them massacred.  The only way to ensure their survival is if the Wall Titans succeed in rumbling the world.  Any sane paradian civilian would support the rumbling because if it fails they are fucking dead. It's not about good or evil.  It's about survival.  That is the reason why I hate the remaining scouts since they are putting their lives on the line to save the outsiders and not their own people
      Citation needed. Just Marely seems to want them dead and not every citizen especially the ones oppressed by the same government. Liberio seems to have other things to worry about then wanting the death of all of them. Therefore calling this the only way to survive is a stretch. Plus the scouts have been on the frontlines pretty much there whole lives. Something tells me they have 10 times the ground to speak on it far more then any of the Paradis citizens

      If scouts have all this high ground then what about Floch and the rest of the scouts that joined the yeagerists?  Guess they don't matter since they aren't your main characters, eh?  Also, it was stated back in the Marley arc that other countries treat Eldians much worse than Marley does and wants the valuable resources that reside inside Paradis Island

      Floch and most of the other Yeagerists haven’t been on the front lines like the main survey Corp have. He joined after the uprising, he has no other view of the Warriors other then people attacking him rather then Corp members they worked with a lot like the others do. But I guess you’d like to forget that and be condescending towards me.

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    • EthanPHX wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote: If the allience succeeds then Paradis is done for.  I seriously do not get how Hange doesn't realize it.  Disrespectful for her to assume Erwin would be for the allience.  Hange used to be my favorite character but post time skip her character got ruined with compasion along with everyone else, ESPECIALLY Armin.  How the hell does Armin go from "In order to rise above monsters, you must abandon your humanity" to GUYS LETS JUST TALK IT OUT!!!!!  Post-time skip Armin is a little bitch and only proves to us that Kenny (haha you thought I was gonna say Erwin) should have gotten the serum.  I really don't get how the remaining Scouts are agreeing to side with the same people who want them dead.  It's so selfish for the Scouts to fight for Marley because they are effectively fucking over the whole island by doing so.



      Floch is the only good person left from the 104th since he is fighting for his OWN country.

      Maybe because they don't want the entire world's population to be murdered?

      Put yourself in a paradian civilan's shoes.  The whole entire world wants them massacred.  The only way to ensure their survival is if the Wall Titans succeed in rumbling the world.  Any sane paradian civilian would support the rumbling because if it fails they are fucking dead. It's not about good or evil.  It's about survival.  That is the reason why I hate the remaining scouts since they are putting their lives on the line to save the outsiders and not their own people

      There's no evidence that the whole world wants them dead. Just the Azumabito family and Onyankopon alone are proof of that. There are undoubtedly countless civilians in other nations that may not even know of the existence of Paradis (aside from ancient folklore), let alone want its inhabitants wiped out.

      There are likely others on the outside that think Marley is in the wrong for having abused the Eldians in their internment camps for years and don't want Paradis to be wiped out.

      Absolutism is never a productive road.

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote: If the allience succeeds then Paradis is done for.  I seriously do not get how Hange doesn't realize it.  Disrespectful for her to assume Erwin would be for the allience.  Hange used to be my favorite character but post time skip her character got ruined with compasion along with everyone else, ESPECIALLY Armin.  How the hell does Armin go from "In order to rise above monsters, you must abandon your humanity" to GUYS LETS JUST TALK IT OUT!!!!!  Post-time skip Armin is a little bitch and only proves to us that Kenny (haha you thought I was gonna say Erwin) should have gotten the serum.  I really don't get how the remaining Scouts are agreeing to side with the same people who want them dead.  It's so selfish for the Scouts to fight for Marley because they are effectively fucking over the whole island by doing so.



      Floch is the only good person left from the 104th since he is fighting for his OWN country.

      Maybe because they don't want the entire world's population to be murdered?
      Put yourself in a paradian civilan's shoes.  The whole entire world wants them massacred.  The only way to ensure their survival is if the Wall Titans succeed in rumbling the world.  Any sane paradian civilian would support the rumbling because if it fails they are fucking dead. It's not about good or evil.  It's about survival.  That is the reason why I hate the remaining scouts since they are putting their lives on the line to save the outsiders and not their own people
      There's no evidence that the whole world wants them dead. Just the Azumabito family and Onyankopon alone are proof of that. There are undoubtedly countless civilians in other nations that may not even know of the existence of Paradis (aside from ancient folklore), let alone want its inhabitants wiped out.

      There are likely others on the outside that think Marley is in the wrong for having abused the Eldians in their internment camps for years and don't want Paradis to be wiped out.

      Absolutism is never a productive road.

      We don't know much of the world reaction towards Paradisians.  However, we do know that they hate Eldians and even treat them far worse than Marley.  It is because Marley only uses them for military purpose while other nations treats them like second-class citizens.

      People like the Azumabito family are only interests in gaining profits (hint at Kiyomi drooling at her thinking about money).  However, there are those like Onyankopon who wish to befriend them.

      As for those who you referring to (the extremists), that is probably political stuff for politicians seeking towards gaining influences.  They aren't powerful enough to change the tide.  It's all about whose is truly in power actually, like todays politicians.

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote: If the allience succeeds then Paradis is done for.  I seriously do not get how Hange doesn't realize it.  Disrespectful for her to assume Erwin would be for the allience.  Hange used to be my favorite character but post time skip her character got ruined with compasion along with everyone else, ESPECIALLY Armin.  How the hell does Armin go from "In order to rise above monsters, you must abandon your humanity" to GUYS LETS JUST TALK IT OUT!!!!!  Post-time skip Armin is a little bitch and only proves to us that Kenny (haha you thought I was gonna say Erwin) should have gotten the serum.  I really don't get how the remaining Scouts are agreeing to side with the same people who want them dead.  It's so selfish for the Scouts to fight for Marley because they are effectively fucking over the whole island by doing so.



      Floch is the only good person left from the 104th since he is fighting for his OWN country.

      Maybe because they don't want the entire world's population to be murdered?
      Put yourself in a paradian civilan's shoes.  The whole entire world wants them massacred.  The only way to ensure their survival is if the Wall Titans succeed in rumbling the world.  Any sane paradian civilian would support the rumbling because if it fails they are fucking dead. It's not about good or evil.  It's about survival.  That is the reason why I hate the remaining scouts since they are putting their lives on the line to save the outsiders and not their own people
      There's no evidence that the whole world wants them dead. Just the Azumabito family and Onyankopon alone are proof of that. There are undoubtedly countless civilians in other nations that may not even know of the existence of Paradis (aside from ancient folklore), let alone want its inhabitants wiped out.

      There are likely others on the outside that think Marley is in the wrong for having abused the Eldians in their internment camps for years and don't want Paradis to be wiped out.

      Absolutism is never a productive road.

      Good points, but wiping out the outside world (and using the Founding Titan to render the Eldians unable to feel hatred) is the only way to 100% guarentee that the cycle of hate towards Eldians and Paradisians is ended permanently.

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    • Drivebladesman wrote:
      CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote:


      CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote: If the allience succeeds then Paradis is done for.  I seriously do not get how Hange doesn't realize it.  Disrespectful for her to assume Erwin would be for the allience.  Hange used to be my favorite character but post time skip her character got ruined with compasion along with everyone else, ESPECIALLY Armin.  How the hell does Armin go from "In order to rise above monsters, you must abandon your humanity" to GUYS LETS JUST TALK IT OUT!!!!!  Post-time skip Armin is a little bitch and only proves to us that Kenny (haha you thought I was gonna say Erwin) should have gotten the serum.  I really don't get how the remaining Scouts are agreeing to side with the same people who want them dead.  It's so selfish for the Scouts to fight for Marley because they are effectively fucking over the whole island by doing so.



      Floch is the only good person left from the 104th since he is fighting for his OWN country.

      Maybe because they don't want the entire world's population to be murdered?
      Put yourself in a paradian civilan's shoes.  The whole entire world wants them massacred.  The only way to ensure their survival is if the Wall Titans succeed in rumbling the world.  Any sane paradian civilian would support the rumbling because if it fails they are fucking dead. It's not about good or evil.  It's about survival.  That is the reason why I hate the remaining scouts since they are putting their lives on the line to save the outsiders and not their own people
      There's no evidence that the whole world wants them dead. Just the Azumabito family and Onyankopon alone are proof of that. There are undoubtedly countless civilians in other nations that may not even know of the existence of Paradis (aside from ancient folklore), let alone want its inhabitants wiped out.

      There are likely others on the outside that think Marley is in the wrong for having abused the Eldians in their internment camps for years and don't want Paradis to be wiped out.

      Absolutism is never a productive road.

      Good points, but wiping out the outside world (and using the Founding Titan to render the Eldians unable to feel hatred) is the only way to 100% guarentee that the cycle of hate towards Eldians and Paradisians is ended permanently.

      However, the entire human race still hate Eldians and wants to destroy them.  In the end, it will only repeat history all over again.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:
      Drivebladesman wrote:
      CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote:



      CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote: If the allience succeeds then Paradis is done for.  I seriously do not get how Hange doesn't realize it.  Disrespectful for her to assume Erwin would be for the allience.  Hange used to be my favorite character but post time skip her character got ruined with compasion along with everyone else, ESPECIALLY Armin.  How the hell does Armin go from "In order to rise above monsters, you must abandon your humanity" to GUYS LETS JUST TALK IT OUT!!!!!  Post-time skip Armin is a little bitch and only proves to us that Kenny (haha you thought I was gonna say Erwin) should have gotten the serum.  I really don't get how the remaining Scouts are agreeing to side with the same people who want them dead.  It's so selfish for the Scouts to fight for Marley because they are effectively fucking over the whole island by doing so.



      Floch is the only good person left from the 104th since he is fighting for his OWN country.

      Maybe because they don't want the entire world's population to be murdered?
      Put yourself in a paradian civilan's shoes.  The whole entire world wants them massacred.  The only way to ensure their survival is if the Wall Titans succeed in rumbling the world.  Any sane paradian civilian would support the rumbling because if it fails they are fucking dead. It's not about good or evil.  It's about survival.  That is the reason why I hate the remaining scouts since they are putting their lives on the line to save the outsiders and not their own people
      There's no evidence that the whole world wants them dead. Just the Azumabito family and Onyankopon alone are proof of that. There are undoubtedly countless civilians in other nations that may not even know of the existence of Paradis (aside from ancient folklore), let alone want its inhabitants wiped out.

      There are likely others on the outside that think Marley is in the wrong for having abused the Eldians in their internment camps for years and don't want Paradis to be wiped out.

      Absolutism is never a productive road.

      Good points, but wiping out the outside world (and using the Founding Titan to render the Eldians unable to feel hatred) is the only way to 100% guarentee that the cycle of hate towards Eldians and Paradisians is ended permanently.
      However, the entire human race still hate Eldians and wants to destroy them.  In the end, it will only repeat history all over again.

      Then destroy the entire human race (and I mean 100%, not a single survivor) and turn the Eldians into an organic version of the Borg (in which case the survivors cannot feel hatred).

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    • The borg? Where is that from?

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    • Well, if this allience shit does end up succeeding to the point where they ask Eren to order Ymir to stop the rumbling, I hope Ymir tells Eren and the alliance "I am free" and continues with the rumbling

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    • Tdfern14 wrote: The borg? Where is that from?

      I'm glad you asked! The Borg are a pseudo-species of cyborgs from Star Trek. They are all linked to a "hive mind" (and yes, this means all of their thoughts are linked) under the rule of a Queen, whose ultimate goal is perfection through assimilation of individuals from other species (essentially a process that turns non-Borg into Borg).

      Yes, I'm a huge Star Trek nerd, lol

      Anyway, I think the point Drivebladesman was getting at is to essentially mind control all Eldians so they all follow the same goal (just like the Borg do). Not saying I agree with that idea, but that seems to be what they were suggesting.

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    • Drivebladesman wrote: Then destroy the entire human race (and I mean 100%, not a single survivor) and turn the Eldians into an organic version of the Borg (in which case the survivors cannot feel hatred).

      Resistance is futile! :D

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote: The borg? Where is that from?

      I'm glad you asked! The Borg are a pseudo-species of cyborgs from Star Trek. They are all linked to a "hive mind" (and yes, this means all of their thoughts are linked) under the rule of a Queen, whose ultimate goal is perfection through assimilation of individuals from other species (essentially a process that turns non-Borg into Borg).

      Yes, I'm a huge Star Trek nerd, lol

      Anyway, I think the point Drivebladesman was getting at is to essentially mind control all Eldians so they all follow the same goal (just like the Borg do). Not saying I agree with that idea, but that seems to be what they were suggesting.

      Ahhh...well for some reason they sounded familiar. Thanks for telling me.

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      Anyway, I think the point Drivebladesman was getting at is to essentially mind control all Eldians so they all follow the same goal (just like the Borg do). Not saying I agree with that idea, but that seems to be what they were suggesting.


      Yeah, you got that right.  Though I also should mention that the reason I want Eren to turn the Eldians into the Borg and exterminate all normal humans (who cannot be brainwashed) is because that would be a great way of ridding humanity of all of its failings (from inability to learn from mistakes to degeneracy) for all eternity.

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    • Drivebladesman wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Anyway, I think the point Drivebladesman was getting at is to essentially mind control all Eldians so they all follow the same goal (just like the Borg do). Not saying I agree with that idea, but that seems to be what they were suggesting.


      Yeah, you got that right.  Though I also should mention that the reason I want Eren to turn the Eldians into the Borg and exterminate all normal humans (who cannot be brainwashed) is because that would be a great way of ridding humanity of all of its failings (from inability to learn from mistakes to degeneracy) for all eternity.

      Glad I didn't misinterpret your meaning!

      I don't want that kind of ending, because Eren would literally be guilty of mass genocide and nobody would even be able to bring him to justice because the survivors would all have their memories wiped. I'm okay with a rather bleak ending, but I think that's a little too bleak.

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      Drivebladesman wrote:


      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Anyway, I think the point Drivebladesman was getting at is to essentially mind control all Eldians so they all follow the same goal (just like the Borg do). Not saying I agree with that idea, but that seems to be what they were suggesting.

      Yeah, you got that right.  Though I also should mention that the reason I want Eren to turn the Eldians into the Borg and exterminate all normal humans (who cannot be brainwashed) is because that would be a great way of ridding humanity of all of its failings (from inability to learn from mistakes to degeneracy) for all eternity.

      Glad I didn't misinterpret your meaning!

      I don't want that kind of ending, because Eren would literally be guilty of mass genocide and nobody would even be able to bring him to justice because the survivors would all have their memories wiped. I'm okay with a rather bleak ending, but I think that's a little too bleak.

      I dunno, I think that ending would be considerably better than just Cringevengers using the power of friendship to stop Eren without the Warriors ever facing consequences for their crimes and continue their delusion of uniting the world and stopping the persecution of Eldians...even though it's clear they'll just wipe out Paradis anyway if the Rumbling is stopped. So yeah, i greatly prefer everyone outside the island being exterminated, and though I was initially against the idea of having the survivors' minds wiped, it would probably be the only way for the Cringevengers to actually be allowed back onto the island since they're essentially betraying their own people.

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    • The two warriors will literally be dead in a matter of years and the fact that people are still under the delusion that everything that happened is just water under the bridge is further proof on how much they don’t actually want to see is happening. We literally just had Reiner her the shit kicked out of him by Jean and people still think everyone’s cool with everyone? They literally just understand the concept of “bigger fish to fry” there beefs are insignificant to the mass genocide Eren is about to cause and you’d think with how he’s shown this conflict and everything involved is more complex then it seems it would be obvious by now.

      At this point the author could spell out it’s not gonna be that simple and people still won’t believe it.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote: I dunno, I think that ending would be considerably better than just Cringevengers using the power of friendship to stop Eren without the Warriors ever facing consequences for their crimes and continue their delusion of uniting the world and stopping the persecution of Eldians...even though it's clear they'll just wipe out Paradis anyway if the Rumbling is stopped. So yeah, i greatly prefer everyone outside the island being exterminated, and though I was initially against the idea of having the survivors' minds wiped, it would probably be the only way for the Cringevengers to actually be allowed back onto the island since they're essentially betraying their own people.

      This is not an instance of "the power of friendship" saving the day. Or have you forgotten how Jean beat Reiner's face in and said he could never forgive him, or Magath still mostly being an asshole?

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      Penguinluver1431 wrote: I dunno, I think that ending would be considerably better than just Cringevengers using the power of friendship to stop Eren without the Warriors ever facing consequences for their crimes and continue their delusion of uniting the world and stopping the persecution of Eldians...even though it's clear they'll just wipe out Paradis anyway if the Rumbling is stopped. So yeah, i greatly prefer everyone outside the island being exterminated, and though I was initially against the idea of having the survivors' minds wiped, it would probably be the only way for the Cringevengers to actually be allowed back onto the island since they're essentially betraying their own people.

      This is not an instance of "the power of friendship" saving the day. Or have you forgotten how Jean beat Reiner's face in and said he could never forgive him, or Magath still mostly being an asshole?

      Well now that 128 is out i can tell you they made Magath do a heel turn real quick, jumping right back into the same "everyone is redeemable" crap that most Japanese media falls under. Want to keep telling me the "friendship power" dogma isn't polluting the story? 

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: I dunno, I think that ending would be considerably better than just Cringevengers using the power of friendship to stop Eren without the Warriors ever facing consequences for their crimes and continue their delusion of uniting the world and stopping the persecution of Eldians...even though it's clear they'll just wipe out Paradis anyway if the Rumbling is stopped. So yeah, i greatly prefer everyone outside the island being exterminated, and though I was initially against the idea of having the survivors' minds wiped, it would probably be the only way for the Cringevengers to actually be allowed back onto the island since they're essentially betraying their own people.

      This is not an instance of "the power of friendship" saving the day. Or have you forgotten how Jean beat Reiner's face in and said he could never forgive him, or Magath still mostly being an asshole?

      Well now that 128 is out i can tell you they made Magath do a heel turn real quick, jumping right back into the same "everyone is redeemable" crap that most Japanese media falls under. Want to keep telling me the "friendship power" dogma isn't polluting the story? 

      Daz and Samuel would like a word. Oh wait, they can't talk because Connie killed them. So yeah, no power of friendship saving the day. Magath simply admitted that Marley was just as guilty as Eldia and that he had no right to blame them when both sides have committed the same sins.

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: I dunno, I think that ending would be considerably better than just Cringevengers using the power of friendship to stop Eren without the Warriors ever facing consequences for their crimes and continue their delusion of uniting the world and stopping the persecution of Eldians...even though it's clear they'll just wipe out Paradis anyway if the Rumbling is stopped. So yeah, i greatly prefer everyone outside the island being exterminated, and though I was initially against the idea of having the survivors' minds wiped, it would probably be the only way for the Cringevengers to actually be allowed back onto the island since they're essentially betraying their own people.

      This is not an instance of "the power of friendship" saving the day. Or have you forgotten how Jean beat Reiner's face in and said he could never forgive him, or Magath still mostly being an asshole?
      Well now that 128 is out i can tell you they made Magath do a heel turn real quick, jumping right back into the same "everyone is redeemable" crap that most Japanese media falls under. Want to keep telling me the "friendship power" dogma isn't polluting the story? 
      Daz and Samuel would like a word. Oh wait, they can't talk because Connie killed them. So yeah, no power of friendship saving the day. Magath simply admitted that Marley was just as guilty as Eldia and that he had no right to blame them when both sides have committed the same sins.

      Eldians killing their former friends so that the Warriors/Marleyans can go back to THEIR families? When those same people would see Paradis wiped out? Talk about injustice. 

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: I dunno, I think that ending would be considerably better than just Cringevengers using the power of friendship to stop Eren without the Warriors ever facing consequences for their crimes and continue their delusion of uniting the world and stopping the persecution of Eldians...even though it's clear they'll just wipe out Paradis anyway if the Rumbling is stopped. So yeah, i greatly prefer everyone outside the island being exterminated, and though I was initially against the idea of having the survivors' minds wiped, it would probably be the only way for the Cringevengers to actually be allowed back onto the island since they're essentially betraying their own people.

      This is not an instance of "the power of friendship" saving the day. Or have you forgotten how Jean beat Reiner's face in and said he could never forgive him, or Magath still mostly being an asshole?
      Well now that 128 is out i can tell you they made Magath do a heel turn real quick, jumping right back into the same "everyone is redeemable" crap that most Japanese media falls under. Want to keep telling me the "friendship power" dogma isn't polluting the story? 
      Daz and Samuel would like a word. Oh wait, they can't talk because Connie killed them. So yeah, no power of friendship saving the day. Magath simply admitted that Marley was just as guilty as Eldia and that he had no right to blame them when both sides have committed the same sins.

      Eldians killing their former friends so that the Warriors/Marleyans can go back to THEIR families? When those same people would see Paradis wiped out? Talk about injustice. 

      I noticed you didn’t actually refute his point. Guess the “power of friendship” nonsense is finally dying the slow death it deserves

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    • Jayrob95 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: I dunno, I think that ending would be considerably better than just Cringevengers using the power of friendship to stop Eren without the Warriors ever facing consequences for their crimes and continue their delusion of uniting the world and stopping the persecution of Eldians...even though it's clear they'll just wipe out Paradis anyway if the Rumbling is stopped. So yeah, i greatly prefer everyone outside the island being exterminated, and though I was initially against the idea of having the survivors' minds wiped, it would probably be the only way for the Cringevengers to actually be allowed back onto the island since they're essentially betraying their own people.

      This is not an instance of "the power of friendship" saving the day. Or have you forgotten how Jean beat Reiner's face in and said he could never forgive him, or Magath still mostly being an asshole?
      Well now that 128 is out i can tell you they made Magath do a heel turn real quick, jumping right back into the same "everyone is redeemable" crap that most Japanese media falls under. Want to keep telling me the "friendship power" dogma isn't polluting the story? 
      Daz and Samuel would like a word. Oh wait, they can't talk because Connie killed them. So yeah, no power of friendship saving the day. Magath simply admitted that Marley was just as guilty as Eldia and that he had no right to blame them when both sides have committed the same sins.
      Eldians killing their former friends so that the Warriors/Marleyans can go back to THEIR families? When those same people would see Paradis wiped out? Talk about injustice. 
      I noticed you didn’t actually refute his point. Guess the “power of friendship” nonsense is finally dying the slow death it deserves

      We'll see what happens once they actually confront Eren, but again, it's unfair and unjust that the Eldians are paying the price just so the Marleyans can live peaceful lives. I say let everyone outside the Walls die. It's not like they don't deserve it.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Jayrob95 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: I dunno, I think that ending would be considerably better than just Cringevengers using the power of friendship to stop Eren without the Warriors ever facing consequences for their crimes and continue their delusion of uniting the world and stopping the persecution of Eldians...even though it's clear they'll just wipe out Paradis anyway if the Rumbling is stopped. So yeah, i greatly prefer everyone outside the island being exterminated, and though I was initially against the idea of having the survivors' minds wiped, it would probably be the only way for the Cringevengers to actually be allowed back onto the island since they're essentially betraying their own people.

      This is not an instance of "the power of friendship" saving the day. Or have you forgotten how Jean beat Reiner's face in and said he could never forgive him, or Magath still mostly being an asshole?
      Well now that 128 is out i can tell you they made Magath do a heel turn real quick, jumping right back into the same "everyone is redeemable" crap that most Japanese media falls under. Want to keep telling me the "friendship power" dogma isn't polluting the story? 
      Daz and Samuel would like a word. Oh wait, they can't talk because Connie killed them. So yeah, no power of friendship saving the day. Magath simply admitted that Marley was just as guilty as Eldia and that he had no right to blame them when both sides have committed the same sins.
      Eldians killing their former friends so that the Warriors/Marleyans can go back to THEIR families? When those same people would see Paradis wiped out? Talk about injustice. 
      I noticed you didn’t actually refute his point. Guess the “power of friendship” nonsense is finally dying the slow death it deserves

      We'll see what happens once they actually confront Eren, but again, it's unfair and unjust that the Eldians are paying the price just so the Marleyans can live peaceful lives. I say let everyone outside the Walls die. It's not like they don't deserve it.

      Everyone outside the walls doesn’t deserve it. Tell a kid who never harmed anyone that he deserves to die for something his country did or how he’ll be killed for just being born there. Or the other Eldians who’ve been pushed around that there going to die because they weren’t on Paradis.

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    • Jayrob95 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Jayrob95 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: I dunno, I think that ending would be considerably better than just Cringevengers using the power of friendship to stop Eren without the Warriors ever facing consequences for their crimes and continue their delusion of uniting the world and stopping the persecution of Eldians...even though it's clear they'll just wipe out Paradis anyway if the Rumbling is stopped. So yeah, i greatly prefer everyone outside the island being exterminated, and though I was initially against the idea of having the survivors' minds wiped, it would probably be the only way for the Cringevengers to actually be allowed back onto the island since they're essentially betraying their own people.

      This is not an instance of "the power of friendship" saving the day. Or have you forgotten how Jean beat Reiner's face in and said he could never forgive him, or Magath still mostly being an asshole?
      Well now that 128 is out i can tell you they made Magath do a heel turn real quick, jumping right back into the same "everyone is redeemable" crap that most Japanese media falls under. Want to keep telling me the "friendship power" dogma isn't polluting the story? 
      Daz and Samuel would like a word. Oh wait, they can't talk because Connie killed them. So yeah, no power of friendship saving the day. Magath simply admitted that Marley was just as guilty as Eldia and that he had no right to blame them when both sides have committed the same sins.
      Eldians killing their former friends so that the Warriors/Marleyans can go back to THEIR families? When those same people would see Paradis wiped out? Talk about injustice. 
      I noticed you didn’t actually refute his point. Guess the “power of friendship” nonsense is finally dying the slow death it deserves
      We'll see what happens once they actually confront Eren, but again, it's unfair and unjust that the Eldians are paying the price just so the Marleyans can live peaceful lives. I say let everyone outside the Walls die. It's not like they don't deserve it.
      Everyone outside the walls doesn’t deserve it. Tell a kid who never harmed anyone that he deserves to die for something his country did or how he’ll be killed for just being born there. Or the other Eldians who’ve been pushed around that there going to die because they weren’t on Paradis.

      Oh, you mean the "Eldians" who gladly demonized the Walldians and supported their annihilation? You're telling me they don't deserve to die? It's just like Floch said at Liberio, "These are our enemies. This isn't even close to payback."

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Jayrob95 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Jayrob95 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: I dunno, I think that ending would be considerably better than just Cringevengers using the power of friendship to stop Eren without the Warriors ever facing consequences for their crimes and continue their delusion of uniting the world and stopping the persecution of Eldians...even though it's clear they'll just wipe out Paradis anyway if the Rumbling is stopped. So yeah, i greatly prefer everyone outside the island being exterminated, and though I was initially against the idea of having the survivors' minds wiped, it would probably be the only way for the Cringevengers to actually be allowed back onto the island since they're essentially betraying their own people.

      This is not an instance of "the power of friendship" saving the day. Or have you forgotten how Jean beat Reiner's face in and said he could never forgive him, or Magath still mostly being an asshole?
      Well now that 128 is out i can tell you they made Magath do a heel turn real quick, jumping right back into the same "everyone is redeemable" crap that most Japanese media falls under. Want to keep telling me the "friendship power" dogma isn't polluting the story? 
      Daz and Samuel would like a word. Oh wait, they can't talk because Connie killed them. So yeah, no power of friendship saving the day. Magath simply admitted that Marley was just as guilty as Eldia and that he had no right to blame them when both sides have committed the same sins.
      Eldians killing their former friends so that the Warriors/Marleyans can go back to THEIR families? When those same people would see Paradis wiped out? Talk about injustice. 
      I noticed you didn’t actually refute his point. Guess the “power of friendship” nonsense is finally dying the slow death it deserves
      We'll see what happens once they actually confront Eren, but again, it's unfair and unjust that the Eldians are paying the price just so the Marleyans can live peaceful lives. I say let everyone outside the Walls die. It's not like they don't deserve it.
      Everyone outside the walls doesn’t deserve it. Tell a kid who never harmed anyone that he deserves to die for something his country did or how he’ll be killed for just being born there. Or the other Eldians who’ve been pushed around that there going to die because they weren’t on Paradis.

      Oh, you mean the "Eldians" who gladly demonized the Walldians and supported their annihilation? You're telling me they don't deserve to die? It's just like Floch said at Liberio, "These are our enemies. This isn't even close to payback."

      I noticed you ignored the kid example. Also yeah because they live with the Marleyans and saying anything else is liable to get them punished. They’ve been told there entire lives they are the spawn of demons and are lucky to be at Marleys mercy. Much like the profs Da that affects the Marlyeans it’s a hard mentality for some to shake especially when a lot of them know that any movement to resist this ends in failure the conspirators bent caught and never seen again. There victims as well but again you don’t care.

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    • Jayrob95 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Jayrob95 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      Jayrob95 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:



      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: I dunno, I think that ending would be considerably better than just Cringevengers using the power of friendship to stop Eren without the Warriors ever facing consequences for their crimes and continue their delusion of uniting the world and stopping the persecution of Eldians...even though it's clear they'll just wipe out Paradis anyway if the Rumbling is stopped. So yeah, i greatly prefer everyone outside the island being exterminated, and though I was initially against the idea of having the survivors' minds wiped, it would probably be the only way for the Cringevengers to actually be allowed back onto the island since they're essentially betraying their own people.

      This is not an instance of "the power of friendship" saving the day. Or have you forgotten how Jean beat Reiner's face in and said he could never forgive him, or Magath still mostly being an asshole?
      Well now that 128 is out i can tell you they made Magath do a heel turn real quick, jumping right back into the same "everyone is redeemable" crap that most Japanese media falls under. Want to keep telling me the "friendship power" dogma isn't polluting the story? 
      Daz and Samuel would like a word. Oh wait, they can't talk because Connie killed them. So yeah, no power of friendship saving the day. Magath simply admitted that Marley was just as guilty as Eldia and that he had no right to blame them when both sides have committed the same sins.
      Eldians killing their former friends so that the Warriors/Marleyans can go back to THEIR families? When those same people would see Paradis wiped out? Talk about injustice. 
      I noticed you didn’t actually refute his point. Guess the “power of friendship” nonsense is finally dying the slow death it deserves
      We'll see what happens once they actually confront Eren, but again, it's unfair and unjust that the Eldians are paying the price just so the Marleyans can live peaceful lives. I say let everyone outside the Walls die. It's not like they don't deserve it.
      Everyone outside the walls doesn’t deserve it. Tell a kid who never harmed anyone that he deserves to die for something his country did or how he’ll be killed for just being born there. Or the other Eldians who’ve been pushed around that there going to die because they weren’t on Paradis.
      Oh, you mean the "Eldians" who gladly demonized the Walldians and supported their annihilation? You're telling me they don't deserve to die? It's just like Floch said at Liberio, "These are our enemies. This isn't even close to payback."
      I noticed you ignored the kid example. Also yeah because they live with the Marleyans and saying anything else is liable to get them punished. They’ve been told there entire lives they are the spawn of demons and are lucky to be at Marleys mercy. Much like the profs Da that affects the Marlyeans it’s a hard mentality for some to shake especially when a lot of them know that any movement to resist this ends in failure the conspirators bent caught and never seen again. There victims as well but again you don’t care.

      Alright, since you want me to directly address the kid example; the kids that were shown dead were Marleyans, or Liberio "Eldians" who wanted to wipe out Paradis. Their lives are worth nothing, so there should be no reason to say they didn't deserve it.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Jayrob95 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Jayrob95 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      Jayrob95 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:


      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:



      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: I dunno, I think that ending would be considerably better than just Cringevengers using the power of friendship to stop Eren without the Warriors ever facing consequences for their crimes and continue their delusion of uniting the world and stopping the persecution of Eldians...even though it's clear they'll just wipe out Paradis anyway if the Rumbling is stopped. So yeah, i greatly prefer everyone outside the island being exterminated, and though I was initially against the idea of having the survivors' minds wiped, it would probably be the only way for the Cringevengers to actually be allowed back onto the island since they're essentially betraying their own people.

      This is not an instance of "the power of friendship" saving the day. Or have you forgotten how Jean beat Reiner's face in and said he could never forgive him, or Magath still mostly being an asshole?
      Well now that 128 is out i can tell you they made Magath do a heel turn real quick, jumping right back into the same "everyone is redeemable" crap that most Japanese media falls under. Want to keep telling me the "friendship power" dogma isn't polluting the story? 
      Daz and Samuel would like a word. Oh wait, they can't talk because Connie killed them. So yeah, no power of friendship saving the day. Magath simply admitted that Marley was just as guilty as Eldia and that he had no right to blame them when both sides have committed the same sins.
      Eldians killing their former friends so that the Warriors/Marleyans can go back to THEIR families? When those same people would see Paradis wiped out? Talk about injustice. 
      I noticed you didn’t actually refute his point. Guess the “power of friendship” nonsense is finally dying the slow death it deserves
      We'll see what happens once they actually confront Eren, but again, it's unfair and unjust that the Eldians are paying the price just so the Marleyans can live peaceful lives. I say let everyone outside the Walls die. It's not like they don't deserve it.
      Everyone outside the walls doesn’t deserve it. Tell a kid who never harmed anyone that he deserves to die for something his country did or how he’ll be killed for just being born there. Or the other Eldians who’ve been pushed around that there going to die because they weren’t on Paradis.
      Oh, you mean the "Eldians" who gladly demonized the Walldians and supported their annihilation? You're telling me they don't deserve to die? It's just like Floch said at Liberio, "These are our enemies. This isn't even close to payback."
      I noticed you ignored the kid example. Also yeah because they live with the Marleyans and saying anything else is liable to get them punished. They’ve been told there entire lives they are the spawn of demons and are lucky to be at Marleys mercy. Much like the profs Da that affects the Marlyeans it’s a hard mentality for some to shake especially when a lot of them know that any movement to resist this ends in failure the conspirators bent caught and never seen again. There victims as well but again you don’t care.

      Alright, since you want me to directly address the kid example; the kids that were shown dead were Marleyans, or Liberio "Eldians" who wanted to wipe out Paradis. Their lives are worth nothing, so there should be no reason to say they didn't deserve it.

      There lives are worth the same as the lives on Paradis. If they were dead how do you know for certain that they wanted it wiped out? How do you know that the sentiment is shared amongst every man women and child? Or in any other place that this feeling is universal? Or that it’s not just the propaganda theve been fed talking

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    • There lives are worth the same as the lives on Paradis. If they were dead how do you know for certain that they wanted it wiped out? How do you know that the sentiment is shared amongst every man women and child? Or in any other place that this feeling is universal? Or that it’s not just the propaganda theve been fed talking

      If they were anything like Falco you might have had a point. If they're anything like Gabi, however, their lives are absolutely NOT worth the same as the lives on Paradis. They're less than the lives on Paradis.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      There lives are worth the same as the lives on Paradis. If they were dead how do you know for certain that they wanted it wiped out? How do you know that the sentiment is shared amongst every man women and child? Or in any other place that this feeling is universal? Or that it’s not just the propaganda theve been fed talking

      If they were anything like Falco you might have had a point. If they're anything like Gabi, however, their lives are absolutely NOT worth the same as the lives on Paradis. They're less than the lives on Paradis.

      Some would absolutely be like Falco. Some might be more like Gabi. Others are anything in between or nothing like the two of them. And regardless they still are worth the same. That’s how humans be.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote: Alright, since you want me to directly address the kid example; the kids that were shown dead were Marleyans, or Liberio "Eldians" who wanted to wipe out Paradis. Their lives are worth nothing, so there should be no reason to say they didn't deserve it.

      Since we're essentially arguing over the "sins of the father", let's use a real world example. Would you say the children of Nazis deserved to die simply because their parents participated in racist war crimes against the Jews? If your answer is no, then by the same token you cannot say that all Marleyans' lives (especially children) are worth less than Eldian lives. You're essentially buying into the Yeagerist propaganda if you say that.

      In fact, I'd go a step further and say that no life is worth more or less than another. We're all equals. However, our actions dictate how others view us and whether we bring consequences upon ourselves.

      So, Gabi's life is not worth less than Falco's. She did some terrible things (albeit in a time of war where both sides were guilty of killing), but that does not make her irredeemable or make her life worth nothing.

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      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Alright, since you want me to directly address the kid example; the kids that were shown dead were Marleyans, or Liberio "Eldians" who wanted to wipe out Paradis. Their lives are worth nothing, so there should be no reason to say they didn't deserve it.

      Since we're essentially arguing over the "sins of the father", let's use a real world example. Would you say the children of Nazis deserved to die simply because their parents participated in racist war crimes against the Jews? If your answer is no, then by the same token you cannot say that all Marleyans' lives (especially children) are worth less than Eldian lives. You're essentially buying into the Yeagerist propaganda if you say that.

      In fact, I'd go a step further and say that no life is worth more or less than another. We're all equals. However, our actions dictate how others view us and whether we bring consequences upon ourselves.

      So, Gabi's life is not worth less than Falco's. She did some terrible things (albeit in a time of war where both sides were guilty of killing), but that does not make her irredeemable or make her life worth nothing.

      1. Only if their children did not follow in their Nazi parents' footsteps. If they themselves were Nazis, then yes the children would deserve to die as well.

      2. Gabi's life is SO beneath Falco's. Falco realized early on that the people of Paradis are not devils and barely harmed them in any way. Gabi did too much damage to ever be forgiven.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Alright, since you want me to directly address the kid example; the kids that were shown dead were Marleyans, or Liberio "Eldians" who wanted to wipe out Paradis. Their lives are worth nothing, so there should be no reason to say they didn't deserve it.

      Since we're essentially arguing over the "sins of the father", let's use a real world example. Would you say the children of Nazis deserved to die simply because their parents participated in racist war crimes against the Jews? If your answer is no, then by the same token you cannot say that all Marleyans' lives (especially children) are worth less than Eldian lives. You're essentially buying into the Yeagerist propaganda if you say that.

      In fact, I'd go a step further and say that no life is worth more or less than another. We're all equals. However, our actions dictate how others view us and whether we bring consequences upon ourselves.

      So, Gabi's life is not worth less than Falco's. She did some terrible things (albeit in a time of war where both sides were guilty of killing), but that does not make her irredeemable or make her life worth nothing.

      1. Only if their children did not follow in their Nazi parents' footsteps. If they themselves were Nazis, then yes the children would deserve to die as well.

      2. Gabi's life is SO beneath Falco's. Falco realized early on that the people of Paradis are not devils and barely harmed them in any way. Gabi did too much damage to ever be forgiven.

      1. If you notice I was very particular with my question. "Would you say the children of Nazis deserved to die simply because their parents participated in racist war crimes against the Jews?" So thank you for agreeing that they would not deserve to die for simply being the children of criminals.

      2. Falco was not nearly as gung-ho and brainwashed for the cause of Marleyan supremacy through the warrior system as Gabi was. She also killed an enemy combatant (Sasha) in a time of war. Boo hoo. Real lives are taken all the time in war and I don't see you fussing over them. I get that you have an emotional attachment to Sasha (we all do), but it's time to let her rest. I don't think even she would resent Gabi.

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    • 2. Falco was not nearly as gung-ho and brainwashed for the cause of Marleyan supremacy through the warrior system as Gabi was. She also killed an enemy combatant (Sasha) in a time of war. Boo hoo. Real lives are taken all the time in war and I don't see you fussing over them. I get that you have an emotional attachment to Sasha (we all do), but it's time to let her rest. I don't think even she would resent Gabi.

      Well we won't know that for sure. Because Sasha's dead. Because Gabi killed her. Because Gabi's a [edit: language]. MAYBE if Sasha knew she would die because of Gabi, she wouldn't have spared the child. Maybe she was different from her spineless father and could have brought herself to do it if she knew that evil brat was going to kill her.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      2. Falco was not nearly as gung-ho and brainwashed for the cause of Marleyan supremacy through the warrior system as Gabi was. She also killed an enemy combatant (Sasha) in a time of war. Boo hoo. Real lives are taken all the time in war and I don't see you fussing over them. I get that you have an emotional attachment to Sasha (we all do), but it's time to let her rest. I don't think even she would resent Gabi.

      Well we won't know that for sure. Because Sasha's dead. Because Gabi killed her. Because Gabi's a [edit: language]. MAYBE if Sasha knew she would die because of Gabi, she wouldn't have spared the child. Maybe she was different from her spineless father and could have brought herself to do it if she knew that evil brat was going to kill her.

      Gabi killed her because she invaded her home. Not because she’s a [edit: language].

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    • Jayrob95 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      2. Falco was not nearly as gung-ho and brainwashed for the cause of Marleyan supremacy through the warrior system as Gabi was. She also killed an enemy combatant (Sasha) in a time of war. Boo hoo. Real lives are taken all the time in war and I don't see you fussing over them. I get that you have an emotional attachment to Sasha (we all do), but it's time to let her rest. I don't think even she would resent Gabi.

      Well we won't know that for sure. Because Sasha's dead. Because Gabi killed her. Because Gabi's a [edit: language]. MAYBE if Sasha knew she would die because of Gabi, she wouldn't have spared the child. Maybe she was different from her spineless father and could have brought herself to do it if she knew that evil brat was going to kill her.
      Gabi killed her because she invaded her home. Not because she’s a [edit: language].

      Sasha invaded her home because Marley had been trying to wipe out Paradis. Eldia did nothing wrong.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Jayrob95 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      2. Falco was not nearly as gung-ho and brainwashed for the cause of Marleyan supremacy through the warrior system as Gabi was. She also killed an enemy combatant (Sasha) in a time of war. Boo hoo. Real lives are taken all the time in war and I don't see you fussing over them. I get that you have an emotional attachment to Sasha (we all do), but it's time to let her rest. I don't think even she would resent Gabi.

      Well we won't know that for sure. Because Sasha's dead. Because Gabi killed her. Because Gabi's a [edit: language]. MAYBE if Sasha knew she would die because of Gabi, she wouldn't have spared the child. Maybe she was different from her spineless father and could have brought herself to do it if she knew that evil brat was going to kill her.
      Gabi killed her because she invaded her home. Not because she’s a [edit: language].

      Sasha invaded her home because Marley had been trying to wipe out Paradis. Eldia did nothing wrong.

      1. You said Gabi killed her because she was a [edit: language] that statement is false and moving the goalposts doesn’t make it so. 2. Eldia’s actions centuries prior is why Marley hates them so no Eldia did very much a lot of wrong. If Sasha shouldn’t be held accountable for the actions of those Eldians Gabi shouldn’t be held accountable for the actions of Marley that lead to that invasion when she played no part in any of it.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      2. Falco was not nearly as gung-ho and brainwashed for the cause of Marleyan supremacy through the warrior system as Gabi was. She also killed an enemy combatant (Sasha) in a time of war. Boo hoo. Real lives are taken all the time in war and I don't see you fussing over them. I get that you have an emotional attachment to Sasha (we all do), but it's time to let her rest. I don't think even she would resent Gabi.

      Well we won't know that for sure. Because Sasha's dead. Because Gabi killed her. Because Gabi's a [edit: language]. MAYBE if Sasha knew she would die because of Gabi, she wouldn't have spared the child. Maybe she was different from her spineless father and could have brought herself to do it if she knew that evil brat was going to kill her.

      Whoa, tone down the derogatory language there, bud. We all fully understand that you don't like Gabi, but there's no need to drop the C word.

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      2. Falco was not nearly as gung-ho and brainwashed for the cause of Marleyan supremacy through the warrior system as Gabi was. She also killed an enemy combatant (Sasha) in a time of war. Boo hoo. Real lives are taken all the time in war and I don't see you fussing over them. I get that you have an emotional attachment to Sasha (we all do), but it's time to let her rest. I don't think even she would resent Gabi.

      Well we won't know that for sure. Because Sasha's dead. Because Gabi killed her. Because Gabi's a [edit: language]. MAYBE if Sasha knew she would die because of Gabi, she wouldn't have spared the child. Maybe she was different from her spineless father and could have brought herself to do it if she knew that evil brat was going to kill her.
      Whoa, tone down the derogatory language there, bud. We all fully understand that you don't like Gabi, but there's no need to drop the C word.

      It's a Gabi hater, don't bother reasoning with them it's worthless

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    • EthanPHX wrote: It's a Gabi hater, don't bother reasoning with them it's worthless

      I'm just wondering if this wiki has a rule against using a term that's seen as extremely derogatory towards women, even if it was used against a fictional one.

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote: It's a Gabi hater, don't bother reasoning with them it's worthless

      I'm just wondering if this wiki has a rule against using a term that's seen as extremely derogatory towards women, even if it was used against a fictional one.

      Okay then, if 'the c-word' bothers you that much, we'll just call her a bitch, a brat, Hitler youth, Nazi, Mary Sue, snake, and/or self insert.

      But it's getting real annoying watching some people go to troll-ish lengths to defend their loli waifu (something else we can call her beside the c-word) and trying to force us to 'understand' her side of the story when we don't actually care about it. Nor should we have to.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      EthanPHX wrote: It's a Gabi hater, don't bother reasoning with them it's worthless

      I'm just wondering if this wiki has a rule against using a term that's seen as extremely derogatory towards women, even if it was used against a fictional one.

      Okay then, if 'the c-word' bothers you that much, we'll just call her a bitch, a brat, Hitler youth, Nazi, Mary Sue, snake, and/or self insert.

      But it's getting real annoying watching some people go to troll-ish lengths to defend their loli waifu (something else we can call her beside the c-word) and trying to force us to 'understand' her side of the story when we don't actually care about it. Nor should we have to.

      Who said anything about her being our "loli waifu"? I do like her as a character (more so since her redemption), but that's taking things too far dude. Maybe it looks that way to someone who literally wants her to die a horrific death and hates her very existence. Maybe you should take a moment of self-reflection and figure out why you have so much pent up anger at a character that hasn't done anything worse than any of the other main characters have done.

      That's all I have to say on the subject. If you change your attitude and are willing to have productive conversation about her character beyond "sHe'S a MaRy SuE" and "she's a bitch for killing Sasha and deserves death" then I'll engage with you again, but until then I'm done having this discussion.

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      CaptFredricks wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote: Alright, since you want me to directly address the kid example; the kids that were shown dead were Marleyans, or Liberio "Eldians" who wanted to wipe out Paradis. Their lives are worth nothing, so there should be no reason to say they didn't deserve it.

      Since we're essentially arguing over the "sins of the father", let's use a real world example. Would you say the children of Nazis deserved to die simply because their parents participated in racist war crimes against the Jews? If your answer is no, then by the same token you cannot say that all Marleyans' lives (especially children) are worth less than Eldian lives. You're essentially buying into the Yeagerist propaganda if you say that.

      In fact, I'd go a step further and say that no life is worth more or less than another. We're all equals. However, our actions dictate how others view us and whether we bring consequences upon ourselves.

      So, Gabi's life is not worth less than Falco's. She did some terrible things (albeit in a time of war where both sides were guilty of killing), but that does not make her irredeemable or make her life worth nothing.

      1. Only if their children did not follow in their Nazi parents' footsteps. If they themselves were Nazis, then yes the children would deserve to die as well.

      2. Gabi's life is SO beneath Falco's. Falco realized early on that the people of Paradis are not devils and barely harmed them in any way. Gabi did too much damage to ever be forgiven.

      1. If you notice I was very particular with my question. "Would you say the children of Nazis deserved to die simply because their parents participated in racist war crimes against the Jews?" So thank you for agreeing that they would not deserve to die for simply being the children of criminals.

      2. Falco was not nearly as gung-ho and brainwashed for the cause of Marleyan supremacy through the warrior system as Gabi was. She also killed an enemy combatant (Sasha) in a time of war. Boo hoo. Real lives are taken all the time in war and I don't see you fussing over them. I get that you have an emotional attachment to Sasha (we all do), but it's time to let her rest. I don't think even she would resent Gabi.

      Well don't forget Japanese war crimes that was committed during 1930s and 40s

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    • Well don't forget Japanese war crimes that was committed during 1930s and 40s

      And by the same token, the children of Japanese soldiers who committed war crimes should not be held accountable for their parents' sins.

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    • CaptFredricks wrote:

      Well don't forget Japanese war crimes that was committed during 1930s and 40s

      And by the same token, the children of Japanese soldiers who committed war crimes should not be held accountable for their parents' sins.

      Which I can agree. However the problem with Japan, unlike say Germany, is that they don't necessarily recognize and admit the heinous acts they committed and just deny it or rather sugarcoat it. Hell you got Japanese politicians who are mostly conservative and ultranationalist with Shinzo Abe as Prime Minister leading the helm.

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    • FYI: The c-word is not permitted on these forums. Previous mentions have been edited out and being used again may cause you to be timed out.

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    • RuneLai wrote: FYI: The c-word is not permitted on these forums. Previous mentions have been edited out and being used again may cause you to be timed out.

      My apologies. I’m aware I used the word as well even if only repeating it.

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    • RuneLai wrote: FYI: The c-word is not permitted on these forums. Previous mentions have been edited out and being used again may cause you to be timed out.

      Thank you! I had notified Neetaku about it on his profile, but I guess he hadn't seen my message yet.

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    • RuneLai wrote:
      FYI: The c-word is not permitted on these forums. Previous mentions have been edited out and being used again may cause you to be timed out.

      Understood. I'm not trying to break the rules here, I'm just increasingly disappointed in the direction the series has taken and many of the decisions made by the author.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      RuneLai wrote:
      FYI: The c-word is not permitted on these forums. Previous mentions have been edited out and being used again may cause you to be timed out.

      Understood. I'm not trying to break the rules here, I'm just increasingly disappointed in the direction the series has taken and many of the decisions made by the author.

      Well what high expectations you were expecting?

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      RuneLai wrote:
      FYI: The c-word is not permitted on these forums. Previous mentions have been edited out and being used again may cause you to be timed out.
      Understood. I'm not trying to break the rules here, I'm just increasingly disappointed in the direction the series has taken and many of the decisions made by the author.
      Well what high expectations you were expecting?

      Probably something that doesn't try to cram its own morality down my throat like Naruto would do with every villain being redeemable. Some people say Marley onward is "masterpiece" but it's no different from the kind of anti-revenge philosophies we get from most Japanese media. At least the Titans aspect made the series more original, so I was more willing to overlook some of the occasionally cheesy lines because of just how gritty the action was. And the original narrative never seemed to imply "revenge is bad" or "Nazi's aren't evil, just misunderstood". To build up the Warriors as evil nazi killers only to turn around and imply that "they were right, Eldia was bad to try and protect itself"..that REALLY rubs me the wrong way.

      I won't even mention my disappointment with the basement reveal and the genre/perspective shift of Marley arc, because I've already gone into that plenty of times, and nothing about it has changed.

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    • Kaguya and Black Zetsu weren’t redeemable and Madara didn’t necessarily repent he was just defeated.

      Also once again your saying Eldia....even though the plan your approving will kill Eldians as well. Not wanting genocide isn’t saying the warriors were right nor were they built up as Nazi evil killers.

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    • Jayrob95 wrote: Kaguya and Black Zetsu weren’t redeemable and Madara didn’t necessarily repent he was just defeated.

      Also once again your saying Eldia....even though the plan your approving will kill Eldians as well. Not wanting genocide isn’t saying the warriors were right nor were they built up as Nazi evil killers.

      I have great doubts about Eren's plan to also exterminate the Eldian camps, I think he will spare them, contrary to what he announced. Eren could be a ruthless Moïse

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    • Mutsu Goro wrote:

      Jayrob95 wrote: Kaguya and Black Zetsu weren’t redeemable and Madara didn’t necessarily repent he was just defeated.

      Also once again your saying Eldia....even though the plan your approving will kill Eldians as well. Not wanting genocide isn’t saying the warriors were right nor were they built up as Nazi evil killers.

      I have great doubts about Eren's plan to also exterminate the Eldian camps, I think he will spare them, contrary to what he announced. Eren could be a ruthless Moïse

      If I have to ask but, Moise?

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      Tdfern14 wrote:

      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      RuneLai wrote:
      FYI: The c-word is not permitted on these forums. Previous mentions have been edited out and being used again may cause you to be timed out.
      Understood. I'm not trying to break the rules here, I'm just increasingly disappointed in the direction the series has taken and many of the decisions made by the author.
      Well what high expectations you were expecting?

      Probably something that doesn't try to cram its own morality down my throat like Naruto would do with every villain being redeemable. Some people say Marley onward is "masterpiece" but it's no different from the kind of anti-revenge philosophies we get from most Japanese media. At least the Titans aspect made the series more original, so I was more willing to overlook some of the occasionally cheesy lines because of just how gritty the action was. And the original narrative never seemed to imply "revenge is bad" or "Nazi's aren't evil, just misunderstood". To build up the Warriors as evil nazi killers only to turn around and imply that "they were right, Eldia was bad to try and protect itself"..that REALLY rubs me the wrong way.

      I won't even mention my disappointment with the basement reveal and the genre/perspective shift of Marley arc, because I've already gone into that plenty of times, and nothing about it has changed.

      I mean if you look at it from the Japanese perspective, like how they were punished but not entirely apologetic about its war crimes towards China and Korea to which both are still bittersweet toward Japan. Thats was the reality of it.

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    • Tdfern14 wrote:

      Mutsu Goro wrote:

      Jayrob95 wrote: Kaguya and Black Zetsu weren’t redeemable and Madara didn’t necessarily repent he was just defeated.

      Also once again your saying Eldia....even though the plan your approving will kill Eldians as well. Not wanting genocide isn’t saying the warriors were right nor were they built up as Nazi evil killers.

      I have great doubts about Eren's plan to also exterminate the Eldian camps, I think he will spare them, contrary to what he announced. Eren could be a ruthless Moïse

      If I have to ask but, Moise?


      I don't think that is actually Erens' plan at all.  He is probably using the wall titans as a distraction for everyone from his real plan, and it aren't commiting genocide.  Erens' primary plan is probably freeing the entire Eldian race, and bringing them to Paradise Island where Subjects of Ymir are free.  He'll use humanity's hatred towards Eldians to get them (Normal People) transported the Subjects of Ymir into Paradise Island by air fleet.

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