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    • Ah, this feeling of your theories coming true is soooooooooo good.

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    • Ok... So, this chapter is talk about a flashbacks. Exactly, I think it's a last chapter? Or not? When they saw Eren in flashbacks and in the end, the Attack Titan is back, but Eren is back in next chapter or not? My answer is "yes". He will back in next chapter, but I talk about a this chapter. I saw Historia and how he kissed her hand and shooked. Omg! When everyone is going to kill Eren? But... I think Eren is back in next chapter. What about a Zeke? Where is Levi?

      Meanwhile, I saw a lot of fans of this manga has a leaked endings and I don't like a unofficial translation, because I read this chapter 2 times. The translation was Korean. The AOT Korean fan is translated and finally, official translation. 

      P.S.: How y'all feeling? Do you like or don't like a translations in Korean?

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    • This is the total backlash for Reiner and Annie. I think they would like to die now.

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    • Overall, a good chapter. Even if not much happened, that was necessary. Eren's memories apart, that was mostly a contemplative chapter, the story didn't really progress. Also, the chapter was nearly exactly as I expected, the begining with some parts on the alliance ship, and the end with a sight of Eren's Titan and the Rumbling. However, I was expecting Eren's memories for 131, but that wasn't an issue. 

      Pros :

      - The art. The final panels are so beautiful. Lots of them are wallpapers. The panel of the Wall Titan swimming under the war ship, the Wall Titans emerging from the sea, the warships facing the wall of smoke, the Wall Titans walking near the city with Eren right behind them.

      - I kinda like the puppet-style of the upper part of Eren's Titan. It makes it extremely creepy. 

      - Annie's willing to give up on everything, now that she thinks her father as dead. She joined the alliance for this, but now she doesn't really have motives to keep helping them. I'm wondering how it'll be justified if she stays in the alliance. 

      - Finally having Historia's opinion on all of that. And some explanations on the Ackermans, especially Mikasa. But beside that, the memories didn't ad that much to the story. Some panels of the memories were a nice ading that weren't necessary but still a welcomed one (Eren cutting his leg and hurting his eye as an example).

      Cons :

      - All the CGI we're going to have in season 4...

      - It's pretty weird that only the face of Eren's Titan has flesh while the rest is still skelettic. The head of the Titan feels like it doesn't belong to the rest. But at least the head itself is nice looking tho.

      - Eren's Titan doesn't make sense at all. No flesh, no muscles, no nerves, theorically, it shouldn't have been able to leave Shiganshina. How can it move ? It doesn't even have muscles and even if it had some, the only thing it relies on are the ribs. But ribs aren't limbs, they can't move... Eventually, as we saw in 123, his legs are touching the ground, and they seem to have a little amount of flesh on them, but you can't rely on that to make such a massive body move. I guess the most plausible answer so far is that he's moving like centipedes, with the ribs acting like limbs, but... I guess we're just having the least logical Titan ever designed by Isayama.

      Notes :

      - Is that city Liberio/Revelio ? The port wasn't destroyed, and I don't think they could have rebuilt it so fast (a little bit more than a month), and it seems like there is some elevation in the city, Liberio/Revelio seemed flat to me, without any relief.

      - Where is Eren located on the Titan ? Going with logic, the only possible place is the head because it's the only place that has flesh, but considering the Titan seems to be moving without any flesh/muscles, I suppose it's not really a valid argument. 

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    • Razzylada wrote:
      Overall, a good chapter. Even if not much happened, that was necessary. Eren's memories apart, that was mostly a contemplative chapter, the story didn't really progress. Also, the chapter was nearly exactly as I expected, the begining with some parts on the alliance ship, and the end with a sight of Eren's Titan and the Rumbling. However, I was expecting Eren's memories for 131, but that wasn't an issue. 

      Pros :

      - The art. The final panels are so beautiful. Lots of them are wallpapers. The panel of the Wall Titan swimming under the war ship, the Wall Titans emerging from the sea, the warships facing the wall of smoke, the Wall Titans walking near the city with Eren right behind them.

      - I kinda like the puppet-style of the upper part of Eren's Titan. It makes it extremely creepy. 

      - Annie's willing to give up on everything, now that she thinks her father as dead. She joined the alliance for this, but now she doesn't really have motives to keep helping them. I'm wondering how it'll be justified if she stays in the alliance. 

      - Finally having Historia's opinion on all of that. And some explanations on the Ackermans, especially Mikasa. But beside that, the memories didn't ad that much to the story. Some panels of the memories were a nice ading that weren't necessary but still a welcomed one (Eren cutting his leg and hurting his eye as an example).

      Cons :

      - All the CGI we're going to have in season 4...

      - It's pretty weird that only the face of Eren's Titan has flesh while the rest is still skelettic. The head of the Titan feels like it doesn't belong to the rest. But at least the head itself is nice looking tho.

      - Eren's Titan doesn't make sense at all. No flesh, no muscles, no nerves, theorically, it shouldn't have been able to leave Shiganshina. How can it move ? It doesn't even have muscles and even if it had some, the only thing it relies on are the ribs. But ribs aren't limbs, they can't move... Eventually, as we saw in 123, his legs are touching the ground, and they seem to have a little amount of flesh on them, but you can't rely on that to make such a massive body move. I guess the most plausible answer so far is that he's moving like centipedes, with the ribs acting like limbs, but... I guess we're just having the least logical Titan ever designed by Isayama.

      Notes :

      - Is that city Liberio/Revelio ? The port wasn't destroyed, and I don't think they could have rebuilt it so fast (a little bit more than a month), and it seems like there is some elevation in the city, Liberio/Revelio seemed flat to me, without any relief.

      - Where is Eren located on the Titan ? Going with logic, the only possible place is the head because it's the only place that has flesh, but considering the Titan seems to be moving without any flesh/muscles, I suppose it's not really a valid argument. 

      That's true... So I saw him when he cut his leg and use the cartridge and add to his eye. Actually, I was reading a old chapter and he is not Kruger, he is Yeager, right... Also, I think this part is have a season 4 and why the Colossal Titan can swim?

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    • I am a bit amazed how Eren really went so far to plan all this. Zeke being on it, Historia's thoughts on the whole thing and her child being Eren's possibly confirmed. Also even Floch played a very integral role in helping Eren's plan to use the Rumbling. Eren has really become a true Machiavellian type character.

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    • I have a question... What happened with Zeke? Where is he or he is dead?

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    • Elal08 wrote:
      I have a question... What happened with Zeke? Where is he or he is dead?

      My answer is... He is not dead, he will appear in next chapter.

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    • is this supposed to be the final volume in the manga?

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    • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      is this supposed to be the final volume in the manga?

      No, this chapter was the last of the volume 32 (or 33) but certainly not the last of the manga

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    • how many more do we have then

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    • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      how many more do we have then

      If the lasts volumes have the same number of chapter as the previous ones, it'll end either at chapter 134 (maybe a bit short), either at chapter 138 (maybe more than necessary). Personnally, I think that 6 chapters could do it, but if I had to choose between 134 and 138, I'll go with 138.

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    • that is confusing af, plus why do they feel the need to extend the war so much longer?



      like with that info we're looking at the manga running a few more years?

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    • It's have a chapter 131? Would be a preultimate chapter, but Volume 32 is continues and never have a Volume 33. Exactly, the cover of this volume (Volume 32) is not finished.

      The title it was "Humanity's Breaking Down", but in was translated in Korean, but now is called "Dawn for Humanity". If you don't like the unofficial translation, read again. I was reading this chapter for 2 times.

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    • Man this chapter was cool! We saw Eren's titan form, Annie admitted she doesn't want to fight Eren, some of Eren;s POV (although I and lots of others think there are more to it), and Eren's declaration to save his friends. I'm not even dismayed to see my smokescreen theory turn out wrong, but at the same, its interesting to see Eren let loose on a city with nothing but military, which isn't genocide YET.  Interesting to see how things go from here!

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    • Although soemthing that occured to me is, all those Eren flashbacks took place BEFORE Eren lived in Marley and had that mature conversation with Reiner. In other words, it took place between the end of season 3 and chp 98-100, two different points where Eren had varying perceptions of the outside world.  Following that conversation with Eren, Reiner noticed Eren tried to stop Zeke from screaming in chp 119, and then in chp 128, he realized the meaning behind Eren's down-to-earth words after Annie mentioned how all the islanders are better people than they are.  It still makes me wonder if Eren is going to be singing a different tune with the alliance catches up with him, since some of them already know that there's more to Eren than destroying his enemies, and Eren wants his friends to live happy lives, which can't happen if the world is destroyed. 

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    • Attackcjc wrote:
      Although soemthing that occured to me is, all those Eren flashbacks took place BEFORE Eren lived in Marley and had that mature conversation with Reiner. In other words, it took place between the end of season 3 and chp 98-100, two different points where Eren had varying perceptions of the outside world.  Following that conversation with Eren, Reiner noticed Eren tried to stop Zeke from screaming in chp 119, and then in chp 128, he realized the meaning behind Eren's down-to-earth words after Annie mentioned how all the islanders are better people than they are.  It still makes me wonder if Eren is going to be singing a different tune with the alliance catches up with him, since some of them already know that there's more to Eren than destroying his enemies, and Eren wants his friends to live happy lives, which can't happen if the world is destroyed. 

      I see, I see... Eren was shooted in the oldest chapter (Chapter 119), when Annie was in crystal and melted, she coughed in chapter 124. Eren's friends will be ex-friends

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    • How nice of Eren to attack the military first and give the alliance a chance to stop the civilian casualties. XD

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    • Jayrob95 wrote:
      How nice of Eren to attack the military first and give the alliance a chance to stop the civilian casualties. XD

      Yeah not necessarily genocide yet, just like how Eren being shipped with either Historia or Mikasa hasn't been proven yet.

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    • Elal08 wrote:
      It's have a chapter 131? Would be a preultimate chapter, but Volume 32 is continues and never have a Volume 33. Exactly, the cover of this volume (Volume 32) is not finished.

      The title it was "Humanity's Breaking Down", but in was translated in Korean, but now is called "Dawn for Humanity". If you don't like the unofficial translation, read again. I was reading this chapter for 2 times.

      I think it's have a Volume 33, but the cover of Volume 32 isn't finished. I talk about a anime... The chapter will be part of season 4, but idk what episode in this part. I think it's a final episode.

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    • Eden Ushinatta wrote:
      Ah, this feeling of your theories coming true is soooooooooo good.

      Interested to see what else you theorized turns out accurate. So far you got Mikasa liking Eren, and Eren attacking the city (albeit a city with nothing but military).  I look forward to what comes next.

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    • Well this chapter has become even more interesting.  It definately changed some of my theories while others are still a possibility.

      My first theory is about how those wall titans are going to get towards Marley.  Everyone including myself has conjured up so many possibilities about how they can get there.  Mine was about the possibility of many will be sacrificed so others can make it through.  Never even considered the possibility that they can swim.  I know that titans are light, explained by Hange, but that have never occured to me.

      Second theory of Eren Yeager being the Father is still a possibility.  I have read this chapter from both sites (Manga Reader & SNK reader).  There are two versions I have read, and it is during the flash back between Eren Yeager and Historia talking together.  From the one I have read in Manga Reader, Historia was telling Eren that she wants to make babies with him.  The other one was them talking about something else (I can not remember).  At the moment, I am confused because of these two versions.  If any of you guys could shed more light, or have actual facts about this other then a mis-translation, I like to know more.  I will put the one from Manga Reader within my thread for you guys to examine while I continue looking around.

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      Continuing on with the second theory of mine.  I have believed in the possibility that Eren Yeager has personally impregnated Historia himself since Chapter 107 - Visitor.  Back then, it was a shock for all of us, including myself truthfully speaking when seeing Historia being pregnant.  While I was ErenxMikasa shipping back then, and still am.  Seeing that, I began to believe in the possibility of ErenxHistoria as well.  If it does come true, is Isayama Hajime setting Eren Yeager up to become a Harem collector, having both Mikasa Ackerman and Historia Reiss as his girlfriends.



      Back to chapter 130, other then that, everything else seems awsome.  I can not wait to see Chapter 131 right now.  In future chapters, I have a feeling that once they make it into Odiha, Annie is going to leave.  She will head towards Liberio to save her Father, and both Levi Squad & Marley Warriors will follow.  No doubt within my mind that they will do this behind Commander Hange, Captain Levi and others back while being distracted with something else.



      What are your thoughts.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:
      Well this chapter has become even more interesting.  It definately changed some of my theories while others are still a possibility.

      My first theory is about how those wall titans are going to get towards Marley.  Everyone including myself has conjured up so many possibilities about how they can get there.  Mine was about the possibility of many will be sacrificed so others can make it through.  Never even considered the possibility that they can swim.  I know that titans are light, explained by Hange, but that have never occured to me.

      Second theory of Eren Yeager being the Father is still a possibility.  I have read this chapter from both sites (Manga Reader & SNK reader).  There are two versions I have read, and it is during the flash back between Eren Yeager and Historia talking together.  From the one I have read in Manga Reader, Historia was telling Eren that she wants to make babies with him.  The other one was them talking about something else (I can not remember).  At the moment, I am confused because of these two versions.  If any of you guys could shed more light, or have actual facts about this other then a mis-translation, I like to know more.  I will put the one from Manga Reader within my thread for you guys to examine while I continue looking around.

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      Continuing on with the second theory of mine.  I have believed in the possibility that Eren Yeager has personally impregnated Historia himself since Chapter 107 - Visitor.  Back then, it was a shock for all of us, including myself truthfully speaking when seeing Historia being pregnant.  While I was ErenxMikasa shipping back then, and still am.  Seeing that, I began to believe in the possibility of ErenxHistoria as well.  If it does come true, is Isayama Hajime setting Eren Yeager up to become a Harem collector, having both Mikasa Ackerman and Historia Reiss as his girlfriends.



      Back to chapter 130, other then that, everything else seems awsome.  I can not wait to see Chapter 131 right now.  In future chapters, I have a feeling that once they make it into Odiha, Annie is going to leave.  She will head towards Liberio to save her Father, and both Levi Squad & Marley Warriors will follow.  No doubt within my mind that they will do this behind Commander Hange, Captain Levi and others back while being distracted with something else.



      What are your thoughts.

      So... I see with this, but... I have a questions, What is Odiha Why Annie is going to leave in Military Police? What happened with Levi? I think Levi is dead.

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    • Elal08 wrote:

      So... I see with this, but... I have a questions, What is Odiha Why Annie is going to leave in Military Police? What happened with Levi? I think Levi is dead.

      Have you being reading several latest chapters?  If you have not, I might recommend reading them (starting from chapter 91 onwards).  They will have the answers for you there.



      However...



      If you like me to answer your questions, and then find out about them by reading the latest chapters later.  Please continue reading this thread.

      Now, Odiha is a place within Marley that the Survey Corp/Marley Warriors alliance are currently heading.  It is apparently on its shore where a facility belonging to Huzuru (asian nation) resides.  In chapter 129, the alliance agreed to go there so they can build this aircraft without interference from Erens' Yeagerist Faction.

      As for Annie Leonhart, she has already left the Military Police.  She was discovered to be one of the three who flooded Wall Maria with titans several chapters ago.  What I was referring to is within chapter 130.  It is where Annie learns about her hometown going to be destroyed from Commander Hange.  And feeling upset, Annie said that she is going to leave the alliance.

      Captain Levi is still alive from Zeke Yeagers' attack within the forest of tall trees.  However, Levi is currently injured from that ordeal and he's unable to fight.  He is with this Survey Corp/Marley Warriors alliance, heading towards Odiha at the moment.

      I think that is all the answers you have asked for.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:

      Second theory of Eren Yeager being the Father is still a possibility.  I have read this chapter from both sites (Manga Reader & SNK reader).  There are two versions I have read, and it is during the flash back between Eren Yeager and Historia talking together.  From the one I have read in Manga Reader, Historia was telling Eren that she wants to make babies with him.  The other one was them talking about something else (I can not remember).  At the moment, I am confused because of these two versions.  If any of you guys could shed more light, or have actual facts about this other then a mis-translation, I like to know more.  I will put the one from Manga Reader within my thread for you guys to examine while I continue looking around.


      From what I've heard, the "I wanna make babies with you" is an intentional wrong fantranslation. I don't really know why they did it, maybe for pure trolling, maybe because they're Erehisu shippers. I've seen several complaints about the bad translation of the chapter before a more serious one got released. 

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    • Razzylada wrote:

      From what I've heard, the "I wanna make babies with you" is an intentional wrong fantranslation. I don't really know why they did it, maybe for pure trolling, maybe because they're Erehisu shippers. I've seen several complaints about the bad translation of the chapter before a more serious one got released. 

      I see, thankyou for the information.  The other one from SNK Reader site was translated a day before Manga Reader put theirs up.  Will continue to find informartion about this.

      Again, thankyou.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:
      Elal08 wrote:

      So... I see with this, but... I have a questions, What is Odiha Why Annie is going to leave in Military Police? What happened with Levi? I think Levi is dead.

      Have you being reading several latest chapters?  If you have not, I might recommend reading them (starting from chapter 91 onwards).  They will have the answers for you there.



      However...



      If you like me to answer your questions, and then find out about them by reading the latest chapters later.  Please continue reading this thread.

      Now, Odiha is a place within Marley that the Survey Corp/Marley Warriors alliance are currently heading.  It is apparently on its shore where a facility belonging to Huzuru (asian nation) resides.  In chapter 129, the alliance agreed to go there so they can build this aircraft without interference from Erens' Yeagerist Faction.

      As for Annie Leonhart, she has already left the Military Police.  She was discovered to be one of the three who flooded Wall Maria with titans several chapters ago.  What I was referring to is within chapter 130.  It is where Annie learns about her hometown going to be destroyed from Commander Hange.  And feeling upset, Annie said that she is going to leave the alliance.

      Captain Levi is still alive from Zeke Yeagers' attack within the forest of tall trees.  However, Levi is currently injured from that ordeal and he's unable to fight.  He is with this Survey Corp/Marley Warriors alliance, heading towards Odiha at the moment.

      I think that is all the answers you have asked for.

      Ok, nice, but Levi is alive and he will appear in next chapter.

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    • Elal08 wrote:

      Ok, nice, but Levi is alive and he will appear in next chapter.

      Of course he will.  Levi Ackerman will continue being seen until proven otherwise by Isayama Hajime.

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    • That was a great chapter. On my side, as long Eren is the final winner I'll be satisfied.

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    • L-elf wrote:
      That was a great chapter. On my side, as long Eren is the final winner I'll be satisfied.

      I agree with you there.

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    • this chapter....*chefs kiss*

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    • Good chapter. 


      The art in the last few pages is really good! Swimming Titans, lol! Eren's Founding Titan form is a bit weird but still kinda cool. Basically eren only let historia and floch know of his plan. Annie leaving the alliance is completely understandable.

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    • The chapter was surprisingly light on things actually happening, but as a trade off we got multiple gorgeous two page images or other large panels. I'm also glad we got some more pieces of the puzzle filled in. I just didn't think they would be as straightforward as "yes, Eren really is trying to wipe out the rest of humanity" which is what we get from his conversations with Floch and Historia. He might have reason to lie to Floch, who's going to be a part of his plans, but lying to Historia, when he has the option to simply leave her in the dark, wouldn't make sense.

      I would have liked more on why he made this choice other than the reason he gave Historia. He says this is the best option to stop the hate, but I'm not following how he arrived at this conclusion. He's seen some discouraging things, but I'm not seeing what he's tried at before resorting to the nuclear option. If anything, his only attempt at befriending people from the outside world was with the Mid-East refugees and that actually went well.

      I'm not sure if it's something with the official translation, but the conversation with Historia sounds like it takes place after Eren has come back from Marley. He tells Historia "The Military Police Brigade is moving forward with a plan to turn you into a Titan and feed Zeke to you now that he's here on the island." Zeke obviously doesn't get to the island until after the attack on Liberio.

      And if we take the dialogue at face value, this also means Historia is probably not actually pregnant (if you're a fake pregnancy theorist) because the panel that flashes to her in the Eren/Zeke conversation shows a distance shot of them both and Historia's belly is not distended like it is in the only non-flashback panel we have of her in the current arc.

      However, the thing that makes me uncertain, is that despite the dialogue saying Zeke is now on the island, Eren's hair looks too short to this to be a trip after breaking out of prison. I suppose Eren's dialogue could be temporally from another time, just like his wish for his friends to live long lives seems really disjointed from the conversation with Zeke (who is he even talking to at that point?), but that would mean the conversation we're hearing is not the visual we're seeing, and it hurts my brain to think about why that would be.

      I also liked the Zeke/Eren conversation about Mikasa. When you're looking into whether a girl is genetically predispositioned into caring for you, you either are as thick as a brick or you're hoping that it isn't what you think it is. And judging from Eren's lack of a reaction, it sounds like it's the latter. He already suspected Mikasa was interested in him in a way that went beyond friendship, but he was hoping he could chalk it up to something else.

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    • Okey there is something that many people didnt question : how the hell Colossal Titans can swim? They should sink to the botton of the ocean.

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    • Allmighty2j wrote:
      Okey there is something that many people didnt question : how the hell Colossal Titans can swim? They should sink to the botton of the ocean.

      The human body float in the water, even more in a salty one. Titans have a lower density than us. Conclusion : they float even better than us.

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    • RuneLai wrote:
      The chapter was surprisingly light on things actually happening, but as a trade off we got multiple gorgeous two page images or other large panels.

      I'm also glad we got some more pieces of the puzzle filled in. I just didn't think they would be as straightforward as "yes, Eren really is trying to wipe out the rest of humanity" which is what we get from his conversations with Floch and Historia. He might have reason to lie to Floch, who's going to be a part of his plans, but lying to Historia, when he has the option to simply leave her in the dark, wouldn't make sense.

      I would have liked more on why he made this choice other than the reason he gave Historia. He says this is the best option to stop the hate, but I'm not following how he arrived at this conclusion. He's seen some discouraging things, but I'm not seeing what he's tried at before resorting to the nuclear option. If anything, his only attempt at befriending people from the outside world was with the Mid-East refugees and that actually went well.

      I'm not sure if it's something with the official translation, but the conversation with Historia sounds like it takes place after Eren has come back from Marley. He tells Historia "The Military Police Brigade is moving forward with a plan to turn you into a Titan and feed Zeke to you now that he's here on the island." Zeke obviously doesn't get to the island until after the attack on Liberio.

      And if we take the dialogue at face value, this also means Historia is probably not actually pregnant (if you're a fake pregnancy theorist) because the panel that flashes to her in the Eren/Zeke conversation shows a distance shot of them both and Historia's belly is not distended like it is in the only non-flashback panel we have of her in the current arc.

      However, the thing that makes me uncertain, is that despite the dialogue saying Zeke is now on the island, Eren's hair looks too short to this to be a trip after breaking out of prison. I suppose Eren's dialogue could be temporally from another time, just like his wish for his friends to live long lives seems really disjointed from the conversation with Zeke (who is he even talking to at that point?), but that would mean the conversation we're hearing is not the visual we're seeing, and it hurts my brain to think about why that would be.

      I also liked the Zeke/Eren conversation about Mikasa. When you're looking into whether a girl is genetically predispositioned into caring for you, you either are as thick as a brick or you're hoping that it isn't what you think it is. And judging from Eren's lack of a reaction, it sounds like it's the latter. He already suspected Mikasa was interested in him in a way that went beyond friendship, but he was hoping he could chalk it up to something else.

      Your whole response highlights something I hope people catch onto: all those flashbacks took place before the attack on Marley.  On that note, him saying he will destroy the world to Historia and Floch was before his conversation with Reiner, where he sounded of a different mindset.  Remember when he sounded like he would also destroy the world at the end of season 3, the same moment that made Armin go "no way" in chp 118?  Yeah I don't think the puzzle pieces are as filling as we might think lol who knows? Maybe he also lied to Historia to get her into action or something. We don't know his reaction to the question "what if I bear a child?" yet. There are still cracks in this puzzle, enough that this chp didn't feel like a "mystery solved" moment, not unlike chp 123.

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    • Attackcjc wrote:
      RuneLai wrote:
      The chapter was surprisingly light on things actually happening, but as a trade off we got multiple gorgeous two page images or other large panels.

      I'm also glad we got some more pieces of the puzzle filled in. I just didn't think they would be as straightforward as "yes, Eren really is trying to wipe out the rest of humanity" which is what we get from his conversations with Floch and Historia. He might have reason to lie to Floch, who's going to be a part of his plans, but lying to Historia, when he has the option to simply leave her in the dark, wouldn't make sense.

      I would have liked more on why he made this choice other than the reason he gave Historia. He says this is the best option to stop the hate, but I'm not following how he arrived at this conclusion. He's seen some discouraging things, but I'm not seeing what he's tried at before resorting to the nuclear option. If anything, his only attempt at befriending people from the outside world was with the Mid-East refugees and that actually went well.

      I'm not sure if it's something with the official translation, but the conversation with Historia sounds like it takes place after Eren has come back from Marley. He tells Historia "The Military Police Brigade is moving forward with a plan to turn you into a Titan and feed Zeke to you now that he's here on the island." Zeke obviously doesn't get to the island until after the attack on Liberio.

      And if we take the dialogue at face value, this also means Historia is probably not actually pregnant (if you're a fake pregnancy theorist) because the panel that flashes to her in the Eren/Zeke conversation shows a distance shot of them both and Historia's belly is not distended like it is in the only non-flashback panel we have of her in the current arc.

      However, the thing that makes me uncertain, is that despite the dialogue saying Zeke is now on the island, Eren's hair looks too short to this to be a trip after breaking out of prison. I suppose Eren's dialogue could be temporally from another time, just like his wish for his friends to live long lives seems really disjointed from the conversation with Zeke (who is he even talking to at that point?), but that would mean the conversation we're hearing is not the visual we're seeing, and it hurts my brain to think about why that would be.

      I also liked the Zeke/Eren conversation about Mikasa. When you're looking into whether a girl is genetically predispositioned into caring for you, you either are as thick as a brick or you're hoping that it isn't what you think it is. And judging from Eren's lack of a reaction, it sounds like it's the latter. He already suspected Mikasa was interested in him in a way that went beyond friendship, but he was hoping he could chalk it up to something else.

      Your whole response highlights something I hope people catch onto: all those flashbacks took place before the attack on Marley.  On that note, him saying he will destroy the world to Historia and Floch was before his conversation with Reiner, where he sounded of a different mindset.  Remember when he sounded like he would also destroy the world at the end of season 3, the same moment that made Armin go "no way" in chp 118?  Yeah I don't think the puzzle pieces are as filling as we might think lol who knows? Maybe he also lied to Historia to get her into action or something. We don't know his reaction to the question "what if I bear a child?" yet. There are still cracks in this puzzle, enough that this chp didn't feel like a "mystery solved" moment, not unlike chp 123.

      I agree that this chapter isn't a complete revelation of all the events that occurred from Eren's point of view, but I think it certainly fills in a decent amount of holes. I also believe - as you do - that the flashbacks took place before the attack on Liberio, and before he left for Marley with the other Survey Corps survivors to see the outside world for the first time (or was that Hizuru that they went to? I can't remember off the top of my head). Correct me if I'm wrong, but in that same trip, he met the foreign refugees that he had the little party with, and then later attended a meeting with the Gang about Eldians on Paradis, and left in secret when they announced their resentment for Paradis. He wasn't seen by anyone from Paradis again until the attack started, and in the meantime, he went trough the  Marley-Mid East Allies war disguised as a soldier. With that all said, he went through a lot of perspective-changing events between his conversations with Floch & Historia to his conversation with Reiner. He saw the innocent people of the world, he saw war, he saw how Eldians on the mainland were indoctrinated from birth to fight for Marley. I think that's a perfectly reasonable explanation for his shift of mindset once he got to speak to Reiner, especially since his previous interaction with him before that was extremely hostile, unlike Floch or Historia.

      As for lying to Historia to get her into action, I don't think that's the case; he used true information about the MPs plans to get her into action, but she refused to take his advice because she felt that the MPs plans would regardless, come to the same conclusion as her following the Azumabito's plan of bearing children and becoming the Beast Titan, which she was on board with. Once he realized she was complacent, he revealed that he isn't, and what he was going to do about it (The Rumbling). He was confident she wouldn't reveal this information, I assume, (which has merit considering she never actaully did) and gave her the whole story anyway.

      You're obviously correct that we don't know Eren's reaction to Historia's question: "What if I bear a child?" I think it was a smart writer's move to keep it open for interpretation, and the notion that Eren could potentially be the father of her child is quite interesting. And given the timeline of these events and her progress of the pregnancy when she was seen in present time, it's not completely impossible. I always found it weird that Historia would chose some farmer dude who used to chuck rocks at her as a kid to impregnate her. She could've literally chosen anyone, she's the (highly attractive) queen after all. Maybe Eren was asking Zeke about Mikasa and the Ackermans abilities trying to chalk it up to something else (as RuneLai pointed out) because he knew that if Mikasa really felt that way about him, it'd devestate her if she knew he knocked up Historia?

      I guess we won't really know until more chapters come out, but I definitely agree that the mystery wasn't completely solved in this chapter. I definitely enjoyed what cracks it did fill in though; I never would've guessed the Wall Titans could swim like Olympians!!

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    • Not much to really say about this chapter. Just confirms that what we thought was happening, is what is in fact happening. The panels of the rumbling looked great visually though. We can't even read too much into what Zeke says about Mikasa, because he doesn't really know any more than we do about it. 

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    • Attackcjc wrote:

      Your whole response highlights something I hope people catch onto: all those flashbacks took place before the attack on Marley.

      I'm not sure how I did that when I highlighted the dialogue that says "The Military Police Brigade is moving forward with a plan to turn you into a Titan and feed Zeke to you now that he's here on the island." (Bolding mine.) That could only have been said after the attack on Marley.

      Visually it looks like the conversation has to take place before the attack, since Eren's hair is too short to be put in a bun, but the dialogue does not match. So either Isayama made a mistake in the artwork, there's a mistake in the dialogue, or Eren has a different post-attack on Marley conversation with Historia that is being overlaid on top of the pre-attack visuals (which would be incredibly confusing because it would mean we're not getting the conversation that is being visually depicted).

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    • RuneLai wrote:

      Attackcjc wrote:

      Your whole response highlights something I hope people catch onto: all those flashbacks took place before the attack on Marley.

      I'm not sure how I did that when I highlighted the dialogue that says "The Military Police Brigade is moving forward with a plan to turn you into a Titan and feed Zeke to you now that he's here on the island." (Bolding mine.) That could only have been said after the attack on Marley.

      Visually it looks like the conversation has to take place before the attack, since Eren's hair is too short to be put in a bun, but the dialogue does not match. So either Isayama made a mistake in the artwork, there's a mistake in the dialogue, or Eren has a different post-attack on Marley conversation with Historia that is being overlaid on top of the pre-attack visuals (which would be incredibly confusing because it would mean we're not getting the conversation that is being visually depicted).

      Well you kinda did zero in on how this sounds like it took place before that attack. For the most part, it felt like this took place before the Marley events, even if that one sentence sounds like it suggests otherwise. I doubt its an art mistake as Isayama wouldn't fumble that hugely lol but maybe, and this is something I theorized about, Zeke was on the island before and after the attack on Liberio. If Yelena was, surely he was as well.  How could Eren have that convo with Historia after the attack anyway? Eren immediately went to jail, and while he was still imprisoned in chp 107, we find out Historia is pregnant.  I guess Isayama left a bread crumb to show how there is more to Zeke or something, or maybe there was a mistake with the dialogue, but I doubt Isayama would make that kind of mistake. 

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    • The Historia conversation must have happened before Eren went to Marley, nothing about it makes sense otherwise. I think it's just a translation error and what they're really saying is 'now that he's going to be here on the island' or 'now that he's coming here to the island'.

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    • Titans8U wrote:

      I agree that this chapter isn't a complete revelation of all the events that occurred from Eren's point of view, but I think it certainly fills in a decent amount of holes. I also believe - as you do - that the flashbacks took place before the attack on Liberio, and before he left for Marley with the other Survey Corps survivors to see the outside world for the first time (or was that Hizuru that they went to? I can't remember off the top of my head). Correct me if I'm wrong, but in that same trip, he met the foreign refugees that he had the little party with, and then later attended a meeting with the Gang about Eldians on Paradis, and left in secret when they announced their resentment for Paradis. He wasn't seen by anyone from Paradis again until the attack started, and in the meantime, he went trough the  Marley-Mid East Allies war disguised as a soldier. With that all said, he went through a lot of perspective-changing events between his conversations with Floch & Historia to his conversation with Reiner. He saw the innocent people of the world, he saw war, he saw how Eldians on the mainland were indoctrinated from birth to fight for Marley. I think that's a perfectly reasonable explanation for his shift of mindset once he got to speak to Reiner, especially since his previous interaction with him before that was extremely hostile, unlike Floch or Historia.

      As for lying to Historia to get her into action, I don't think that's the case; he used true information about the MPs plans to get her into action, but she refused to take his advice because she felt that the MPs plans would regardless, come to the same conclusion as her following the Azumabito's plan of bearing children and becoming the Beast Titan, which she was on board with. Once he realized she was complacent, he revealed that he isn't, and what he was going to do about it (The Rumbling). He was confident she wouldn't reveal this information, I assume, (which has merit considering she never actaully did) and gave her the whole story anyway.

      You're obviously correct that we don't know Eren's reaction to Historia's question: "What if I bear a child?" I think it was a smart writer's move to keep it open for interpretation, and the notion that Eren could potentially be the father of her child is quite interesting. And given the timeline of these events and her progress of the pregnancy when she was seen in present time, it's not completely impossible. I always found it weird that Historia would chose some farmer dude who used to chuck rocks at her as a kid to impregnate her. She could've literally chosen anyone, she's the (highly attractive) queen after all. Maybe Eren was asking Zeke about Mikasa and the Ackermans abilities trying to chalk it up to something else (as RuneLai pointed out) because he knew that if Mikasa really felt that way about him, it'd devestate her if she knew he knocked up Historia?

      I guess we won't really know until more chapters come out, but I definitely agree that the mystery wasn't completely solved in this chapter. I definitely enjoyed what cracks it did fill in though; I never would've guessed the Wall Titans could swim like Olympians!!

      I agree that it was very enjoyable to finally get some semblance of Eren's POV, even if it left more questions than answers.  I believe that was Marley he was in with his friends, with Kiymomi residing in wherever she was staying before that festival we saw in the 90's chapters.  But you did help me realize there is more vast of a timeline than I previously thought between the events of chp 123 and the beginning of the Marley arc. Things may not had been that close together, and the scouts had to be staying somewhere local to the city for Eren to send a letter to them via Falco.  But agreed, he definitely had a different mindset when speaking to Reiner, which was one COLOSSAL breadcrumb that he won't simply destroy the world.

      That said, it makes sense he would obviously lie to Floch, and maybe he was duplicitious to Historia as well. Its not like we know he was like that with his other friends, least of all Mikasa and Armin.  He was def truthful at first, but him saying he will attack the world could had been a symptom of an old mindset, like the one he had at the end of season 3, a mindset we KNOW he currently doesn't have even if it looks that way.  But we still don't know how that whole conversation ended anyway. I mean we know she got pregnant and Eren seemed complacent with that given how it looks in chp 108, but right now, it sounds like Historia won him over, or acted in ways it may turn out Eren found more agreeable than the sacrifice cycle her family started that she agreed with all of a sudden due to the complexity of the Marley situation over the mindless titan one.

      I still don't buy into Eren being the father, and it always suprised me that people considered that to be a red herring over Eren being "the villain" which they ate up at face value absent all reasoning.  But I do agree that the whole situation wasn't handled straighforwardly, and given what happened this chapter, I agree there may be more to that aspect of the story.  It may even tie into that conversation Eren had with Zeke about Mikasa is some way.

      We def have to wait for more info to come out, as I'm sure there's more to the story than people think, especially since some are taking Isayma's 5-6% left statement a little too literally.  Plus, somebody helped me realize recently that when Isayama made that statement, he may had been thinking of story events remaining, not the number of chapters left. I don't know if that is really the case, but it would help make sense of the fact that he seemed to be a horrible estimator with percentage, looking back at his "60% complete" statement back in 2015, which turned out to be way off in terms of chapter amounts.

      Sorry for the long essay lol but I agree it was interesting to see those titans swim. It makes me also wonder why he made them swim. Those ships were toast anyway, so why take them from underneath?

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    • I'm interested in something:  Does anyone know where I can find that sequence of panels where the Wall Titans burn the Marleyan sailors to death?

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    • I wonder what will become of the warriors of Mahr in the event that they survive having lost their country, their city and their families. As Falco and Gabi are likely to be adopted by the Braus they could demand that Pieck, Reiner and Annie be able to stay with them.

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    • Mutsu Goro wrote:
      I wonder what will become of the warriors of Mahr in the event that they survive having lost their country, their city and their families.

      As Falco and Gabi are likely to be adopted by the Braus they could demand that Pieck, Reiner and Annie be able to stay with them.

      Well they now all but said they don't want to fight Eren now. Even if they didn't actually say it, they all basically agreed more or less.  But we don't know what they lost yet. So far, all Eren did was attack a city that appeared to be a military stronghold. Civilians seem to have been evacuated, and remember several chapters ago, all the eldians were rounded up somewhere else and Annie's father staged a coup.  There's def more to Eren's strategy than simply destroying it seems. 

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    • The memory jumps for the flashbacks were a bit confusing, but I'm just glad we got some of Eren and Historia's respective POVs. They've been ignored too long in favor of the Cringevengers/traitor alliance, so this chapter was much needed and fitting for a volume about the Cringevengers.

      SO glad the Warriors families are apparently killed by Eren already. People straight up trying to feel sorry for Annie as if she wasn't a complete sadist who killed Squad Levi and helped Reiner and Bert kill hundreds of thousands of Eldians. They never deserved a happy ending, and I'm glad their families are (apparently) dead.

      Holy hell Eren's new Titan form is nightmare fuel. Badass and epic, but nightmarish nonetheless. Not convinced Eren himself is the Titan though, I'm still convinced he is somewhere inside it controlling it like his normal Titan form.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      The memory jumps for the flashbacks were a bit confusing, but I'm just glad we got some of Eren and Historia's respective POVs. They've been ignored too long in favor of the Cringevengers/traitor alliance, so this chapter was much needed and fitting for a volume about the Cringevengers.

      SO glad the Warriors families are apparently killed by Eren already. People straight up trying to feel sorry for Annie as if she wasn't a complete sadist who killed Squad Levi and helped Reiner and Bert kill hundreds of thousands of Eldians. They never deserved a happy ending, and I'm glad their families are (apparently) dead.

      Holy hell Eren's new Titan form is nightmare fuel. Badass and epic, but nightmarish nonetheless. Not convinced Eren himself is the Titan though, I'm still convinced he is somewhere inside it controlling it like his normal Titan form.

      Well all the flashbacks took place before the Marley attack, between the events of chp 106 and heading over to Marley.  But it was cool to finally see some perspective, albeit it isn't as mystery-solving as I thought it be. Instead it raised more questions than answers, as we got his POV from before his talk with Reiner where he seemed to be of a different mindset.  We also don't know how Eren responded to Historia's baby idea, although chp 108 is a hint.  But I will say about the alliance is that atleast they reinforced the idea they won't fight Eren.

      I wouldn't say their families are dead yet. There seemed to be only military in that city, which makes sense that they would evacuate a city and make it a military stronghold, which armies have done in real life. Speaking of their families, look back on chp 125 (I think) it showed all the eldians were displaced to another location, where Annie's father started a rebellion.  There's more to this situation it seems. I agree that atleast some of the warriors won't get a happy ending, but atleast Annie was always more forgivable than her compatriots.

      I agree about Eren's titan form.  I'm sure there's more to it, and that he's controlling it differently maybe.  It does remind me of Rod Reiss' titan, but it def seems tougher than that giant titan.  But something tells me after this, we may see his regular titan form once again.

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    • Attackcjc wrote:

      Well all the flashbacks took place before the Marley attack, between the events of chp 106 and heading over to Marley.  But it was cool to finally see some perspective, albeit it isn't as mystery-solving as I thought it be. Instead it raised more questions than answers, as we got his POV from before his talk with Reiner where he seemed to be of a different mindset.  We also don't know how Eren responded to Historia's baby idea, although chp 108 is a hint.  But I will say about the alliance is that atleast they reinforced the idea they won't fight Eren.

      I wouldn't say their families are dead yet. There seemed to be only military in that city, which makes sense that they would evacuate a city and make it a military stronghold, which armies have done in real life. Speaking of their families, look back on chp 125 (I think) it showed all the eldians were displaced to another location, where Annie's father started a rebellion.  There's more to this situation it seems. I agree that atleast some of the warriors won't get a happy ending, but atleast Annie was always more forgivable than her compatriots.

      I agree about Eren's titan form.  I'm sure there's more to it, and that he's controlling it differently maybe.  It does remind me of Rod Reiss' titan, but it def seems tougher than that giant titan.  But something tells me after this, we may see his regular titan form once again.

      Hint? What hint? the guy whose name or even face we don't even know? I mean, if Eren isn't the father and he is, than why not even show his face? He is the queen's lover... thats an achievement for sure for some farmer nobody, as far as chracters go.. So why not show his face? Maybe because he is that irrelevant - some farmer Eren manipulted to think he is the father so no one will know. 

      So back to my first question - How is that a hint in your opinion?

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    • Klaroliner7 wrote:

      Hint? What hint? the guy whose name or even face we don't even know? I mean, if Eren isn't the father and he is, than why not even show his face? He is the queen's lover... thats an achievement for sure for some farmer nobody, as far as chracters go.. So why not show his face? Maybe because he is that irrelevant - some farmer Eren manipulted to think he is the father so no one will know. 

      So back to my first question - How is that a hint in your opinion?

      I wasn't talking about who the father is -that's irrelevant to me. I was talking about Eren's reaction to Historia's proposal to having a baby to counter his plan to attack the world.  I said we had a hint to his reaction as in chp 108 where it seems he agreed to it as a means to stop what he is trying to. 

      I don't know how you thought I was talking about the whole father thing, but I did make it clear before I wasn't.

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      SO glad the Warriors families are apparently killed by Eren already. People straight up trying to feel sorry for Annie as if she wasn't a complete sadist who killed Squad Levi and helped Reiner and Bert kill hundreds of thousands of Eldians. They never deserved a happy ending, and I'm glad their families are (apparently) dead.

      Maybe, but the young cousin of Reiner and Gabi was an innocent kid.

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    • Klaroliner7 wrote:

      Hint? What hint? the guy whose name or even face we don't even know? I mean, if Eren isn't the father and he is, than why not even show his face? He is the queen's lover... thats an achievement for sure for some farmer nobody, as far as chracters go.. So why not show his face? Maybe because he is that irrelevant - some farmer Eren manipulted to think he is the father so no one will know. 

      So back to my first question - How is that a hint in your opinion?

      Lets just say that if Eren Yeager is the Father of Historia child.  The reason why for all this secrecy is probably because so that no one would use both Historia and child as a way of controlling him.  I would not be surprised that Paradise military, or those Anti-Marley Volunteers like Yelena will attempt such tactics when Eren Yeager rebels.  After all, Eren Yeager holds the Founding Titan power, and everyone is after him.

      So, if Eren Yeager was willing to impregnate Historia himself.  Plus, Eren would want to protect Historia since knowing about Royal Blood from his Fathers' memories four years ago.  Eren Yeager would make sure that now one, except a few trustworthy people knew about it.

      After all, it turns out either Survey Corp succeeds in getting more allies, or not.  The Paradisian military has already decided to go forth with Kyomi and Zeke Yeager proposal.  And perhaps willing to do this behind the Survey Corp backs as well.  They (Survey Corp) did not knew about the plan being put forth on arresting almost every Anti-Marley Volunteers until after returning home (Chapter 108).  Plus, there are seems to be some kind of untrusting nature going on in-between Paradise Military and Survey Corp as well.

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    • Attackcjc wrote:
      Klaroliner7 wrote:

      Hint? What hint? the guy whose name or even face we don't even know? I mean, if Eren isn't the father and he is, than why not even show his face? He is the queen's lover... thats an achievement for sure for some farmer nobody, as far as chracters go.. So why not show his face? Maybe because he is that irrelevant - some farmer Eren manipulted to think he is the father so no one will know. 

      So back to my first question - How is that a hint in your opinion?

      I wasn't talking about who the father is -that's irrelevant to me. I was talking about Eren's reaction to Historia's proposal to having a baby to counter his plan to attack the world.  I said we had a hint to his reaction as in chp 108 where it seems he agreed to it as a means to stop what he is trying to. 

      I don't know how you thought I was talking about the whole father thing, but I did make it clear before I wasn't.

      I thought that because when you talked about chapter 108, I went straight to it, and that was the most main idea of it, I guess. I didn't read your other comments before. Sorry. 

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    • Titans8U wrote:

      You're obviously correct that we don't know Eren's reaction to Historia's question: "What if I bear a child?" I think it was a smart writer's move to keep it open for interpretation, and the notion that Eren could potentially be the father of her child is quite interesting. And given the timeline of these events and her progress of the pregnancy when she was seen in present time, it's not completely impossible. I always found it weird that Historia would chose some farmer dude who used to chuck rocks at her as a kid to impregnate her. She could've literally chosen anyone, she's the (highly attractive) queen after all. Maybe Eren was asking Zeke about Mikasa and the Ackermans abilities trying to chalk it up to something else (as RuneLai pointed out) because he knew that if Mikasa really felt that way about him, it'd devestate her if she knew he knocked up Historia?

      I guess we won't really know until more chapters come out, but I definitely agree that the mystery wasn't completely solved in this chapter. I definitely enjoyed what cracks it did fill in though; I never would've guessed the Wall Titans could swim like Olympians!!

      i guess you can say Eren got into an entanglement with Historia 🤣

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    • From a narrative standpoint, it makes zero sense for Eren and Historia to have a child, and I mean that in the most sincere manner possible. I was never on board with the theory that Eren was the Father because it made no sense and this chapter reinforced that in my eyes. Why would Historia choose to have a child with someone who outright declared that he would slaughter tens of millions of men, women, and children, and would erase her memories if the guilt was too much for her to handle? That's sickening on a whole different level.

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    • This was a great chapter overall. I look forward to seeing the next one, as well as what all transpires from this point forward in general.

      Also, I didn't used to think much about this, since I've been more about hyping up the general idea of Armin vs Eren with Armin being Eren's light foil and rival and the one who will stop and save Eren, but what if it's actually Historia who will end up playing this role instead?

      That would be a cool plot twist, and one that could more than make up for her lack of involvement in crucial action for quite some time, even if I do also still want to see Armin have a major role in regards to Eren and just the ending of the war in general.

      Moreover, I still want for this pregnancy to be fake (or at least end very soon even if it is real, since it probably is) so she can get back into crucial action soon, even if there's probably not much room or time left for her to be so effective at this point anyways.

      She will probably have to become a titan soon even if it can't be from Zeke. Speaking of Zeke, I still hope for Eren's change of heart and for Zeke to officially be his one dark foil and rival by the time Eren and Zeke fight each other.

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    • Eradicate Us wrote:
      This was a great chapter overall. I look forward to seeing the next one, as well as what all transpires from this point forward in general.

      Also, I didn't used to think much about this, since I've been more about hyping up the general idea of Armin vs Eren with Armin being Eren's light foil and rival and the one who will stop and save Eren, but what if it's actually Historia who will end up playing this role instead?

      That would be a cool plot twist, and one that could more than make up for her lack of involvement in crucial action for quite some time, even if I do also still want to see Armin have a major role in regards to Eren and just the ending of the war in general.

      Moreover, I still want for this pregnancy to be fake (or at least end very soon even if it is real, since it probably is) so she can get back into crucial action soon, even if there's probably not much room or time left for her to be so effective at this point anyways.

      She will probably have to become a titan soon even if it can't be from Zeke. Speaking of Zeke, I still hope for Eren's change of heart and for Zeke to officially be his one dark foil and rival by the time Eren and Zeke fight each other.

      Pretty sure your theory may turn out accurate in some way. Especially that bit about Zeke at the end.

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    • Klaroliner7 wrote:
      Attackcjc wrote:
      Klaroliner7 wrote:

      Hint? What hint? the guy whose name or even face we don't even know? I mean, if Eren isn't the father and he is, than why not even show his face? He is the queen's lover... thats an achievement for sure for some farmer nobody, as far as chracters go.. So why not show his face? Maybe because he is that irrelevant - some farmer Eren manipulted to think he is the father so no one will know. 

      So back to my first question - How is that a hint in your opinion?

      I wasn't talking about who the father is -that's irrelevant to me. I was talking about Eren's reaction to Historia's proposal to having a baby to counter his plan to attack the world.  I said we had a hint to his reaction as in chp 108 where it seems he agreed to it as a means to stop what he is trying to. 

      I don't know how you thought I was talking about the whole father thing, but I did make it clear before I wasn't.

      I thought that because when you talked about chapter 108, I went straight to it, and that was the most main idea of it, I guess. I didn't read your other comments before. Sorry. 

      All good, and I guess it does help to brush up on it again since Historia's baby is a releavant topic again. I hope we get another Eren-based chapter again next month to shed more light on his POV, which has alot of holes in it after this chp.

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    • PlasmaCutterPHD wrote:
      From a narrative standpoint, it makes zero sense for Eren and Historia to have a child, and I mean that in the most sincere manner possible. I was never on board with the theory that Eren was the Father because it made no sense and this chapter reinforced that in my eyes. Why would Historia choose to have a child with someone who outright declared that he would slaughter tens of millions of men, women, and children, and would erase her memories if the guilt was too much for her to handle? That's sickening on a whole different level.

      But she proposed to have a child to stop Eren from doing that, and from what we can tell in chp 108, he agreed to it.  So why would he agree to her counter offer to destroying the world and then proceed to do so?  Nevermind that flashback was between the end of season 3, and his conversation with Reiner in chp 98-100 where he clearly spoke a different tune than when we last saw him at the time. 

      I know you're mainly talking about Eren being the father, but this chapter reinforces how that should never should've been the mystery readers debated immediately in lieu of the real mystery of what Eren is up to. Instead they just buy that he is a genocidal maniac yet there is evidence and logic to suggest he isn't simply that, with cracks in his POV that make him look that way no less.

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    • Attackcjc wrote:

      Eradicate Us wrote:
      This was a great chapter overall. I look forward to seeing the next one, as well as what all transpires from this point forward in general.

      Also, I didn't used to think much about this, since I've been more about hyping up the general idea of Armin vs Eren with Armin being Eren's light foil and rival and the one who will stop and save Eren, but what if it's actually Historia who will end up playing this role instead?

      That would be a cool plot twist, and one that could more than make up for her lack of involvement in crucial action for quite some time, even if I do also still want to see Armin have a major role in regards to Eren and just the ending of the war in general.

      Moreover, I still want for this pregnancy to be fake (or at least end very soon even if it is real, since it probably is) so she can get back into crucial action soon, even if there's probably not much room or time left for her to be so effective at this point anyways.

      She will probably have to become a titan soon even if it can't be from Zeke. Speaking of Zeke, I still hope for Eren's change of heart and for Zeke to officially be his one dark foil and rival by the time Eren and Zeke fight each other.

      Pretty sure your theory may turn out accurate in some way. Especially that bit about Zeke at the end.

      Yeah. I'd love that.

      What also gives me hope for Zeke being Eren's dark foil and rival is what we saw with Shikishima in the live action. He was stronger, smarter, tougher, and darker than Eren. There's also that last cutscene in Season 2 of the anime with Eren looking off with a pretty intense look in the distance where Zeke was. Finally, there's the opening cutscene of the Attack On Titan 2 Final Battle video game which shows Eren and Zeke in their titan forms about to duke it out with each other.

      I'm sure Eren would need help vs Zeke, and perhaps Historia could help a lot with that after she helps vs Eren who she herself would probably need help against.

      Moreover, I still have hope that either Eren's intentions are better than we currently see, or he's brainwashed and in for a change of heart, or some combination of both.

      But I'm not satisfied with Zeke being the final villain either, since I'm convinced Tom Xaver brainwashed him, but instead want him to get his final change of heart that sees him become more like a hero for the true final battle, just like Shikishima in the live action again. I want him to become Eren's single biggest help in the real final battle, and the one Eren gets very close to before the end of the story (the one Eren can't sacrifice, but has to anyways).

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    • I have being re-reading this chapter, well several versions of this (man, I would love to get the actual version).  Plus, reading all your threads about this chapter as well.  I agree that this chapter is excellent.  It has filled in some plot holes, especially about Historia getting pregnant.  However, that one still has some gaps which needs filling in.

      I still believe that Eren Yeager could be the Father of Historia's unborn child.  It is because I find Eren Yeager allowing Historia to become pregnant, just to prevent her from becoming the next beast titan a bit out of his character.  However, I can be proven wrong like several times, but it feels kind a strange for me.

      For a starters, Eren Yeager would not have forced Historia to become pregnant, even towards preventing her on becoming the next beast titan.  He fights for freedom since the very beginning, and Eren does this to protect his friends, which has proven time & again.

      While Historia said that she is willing to have a child within this chapter.  The question would be on how Eren Yeager would react towards that, or if Historia somehow convinced him on wanting his child.  That will be the question which everyone, including myself is asking.  And if the farmer guy from Historia's childhood years has impregnated her, that will be cool.

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    • Re-reading this chapter, one would wonder on what Annie Leonhart is planning to do next.  In Chapter 130, Annie is showing signs on giving up on working with the Survey Corp/Marley Warrior alliance.  I would not be surprised on the fact that she will leave this alliance, and head towards Liberio to save her Father.  She wants to fullfill her promise towards Mr Leonhart (Annies' Father) and return.

      If this is true, this would put Armin Arlert in a difficult situation.  He is influenced by Bertholdt Hoover personnel feelings towards Annie combine with his own.  Plus, it would also explain more about Eren Yeager discussing with both Armin and Mikasa in Chapter 112 - Ignorance.  Perhaps, Eren Yeager was warning Armin about a possible future, without revealing the full truth.

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    • To be honest, it's pretty depressing to realize that Eren is going to actually commit genocide, that there's practically no possible way that anyone can stop him, unless a major asspull or something is done. To think that this is what Eren has become, what his desire for freedom and his rage have morphed him into, and to know he's ready to kill millions of people. I mean, Jesus Christ, what kind of protagonist has gone to this lengths? 

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    • CiscoTheSoto wrote: To be honest, it's pretty depressing to realize that Eren is going to actually commit genocide, that there's practically no possible way that anyone can stop him, unless a major asspull or something is done. To think that this is what Eren has become, what his desire for freedom and his rage have morphed him into, and to know he's ready to kill millions of people. I mean, Jesus Christ, what kind of protagonist has gone to this lengths? 

      I'm not ready to write him off just yet. He's already shown that he is very capable of compassion even towards people from outside nations. He's also shown hesitation and doubts about genocide even after the royal touch in chapter 90.

      There's also that episode 25 filler scene where Eren, while fighting Annie, was acting very similar to what we see in him right now, but then he softened up at the last moment and couldn't even finish Annie off.

      Plus, Grisha obviously believed in him again even after doubting him. Otherwise, he wouldn't have injected Eren and counted on him to control the power in order to save Armin and Mikasa and everyone else.

      And if that final manga panel is any indicator, if that's him holding a baby, then the chances are he will probably be vindicated or at least redeemed in the end.

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    • Warrior655 wrote:
      Re-reading this chapter, one would wonder on what Annie Leonhart is planning to do next.  In Chapter 130, Annie is showing signs on giving up on working with the Survey Corp/Marley Warrior alliance.  I would not be surprised on the fact that she will leave this alliance, and head towards Liberio to save her Father.  She wants to fullfill her promise towards Mr Leonhart (Annies' Father) and return.

      Not only is there a chance that Annie to go to Revelio will leave Team Hange but the other warriors Mahr and Gaby are likely to follow her there.

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    • Eradicate Us wrote:

      CiscoTheSoto wrote: To be honest, it's pretty depressing to realize that Eren is going to actually commit genocide, that there's practically no possible way that anyone can stop him, unless a major asspull or something is done. To think that this is what Eren has become, what his desire for freedom and his rage have morphed him into, and to know he's ready to kill millions of people. I mean, Jesus Christ, what kind of protagonist has gone to this lengths? 

      I'm not ready to write him off just yet. He's already shown that he is very capable of compassion even towards people from outside nations. He's also shown hesitation and doubts about genocide even after the royal touch in chapter 90.

      There's also that episode 25 filler scene where Eren, while fighting Annie, was acting very similar to what we see in him right now, but then he softened up at the last moment and couldn't even finish Annie off.

      Plus, Grisha obviously believed in him again even after doubting him. Otherwise, he wouldn't have injected Eren and counted on him to control the power in order to save Armin and Mikasa and everyone else.

      And if that final manga panel is any indicator, if that's him holding a baby, then the chances are he will probably be vindicated or at least redeemed in the end.

      I hope you're right, because it would be very sad if Eren did indeed commit genocide.

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    • Mutsu Goro wrote:

      Not only is there a chance that Annie to go to Revelio will leave Team Hange but the other warriors Mahr and Gaby are likely to follow her there.

      I would believe that both Falco and Gabi will accompany Annie towards Liberio.  They are the most likely people who desire to save their families, and they're kids.  As for Reiner and Pieck, they probably be torned in-between their families and saving humanity.  However, if they will also follow Annie, that would become even more interesting.

      As for the Survey Corp, I think that Armin Arlert will be conflicted with both duty and Bertholdt Hoover's personal feelings towards Annie.  He will no doubt be reminded about what Eren Yeager has said to him back at the Marley Restaurant in Chapter 112 - Ignorance.  It will be interesting towards on what is coming for Mikasa Ackerman because Eren has told her things also in that chapter as well.

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    • CiscoTheSoto wrote:
      Eradicate Us wrote:

      CiscoTheSoto wrote: To be honest, it's pretty depressing to realize that Eren is going to actually commit genocide, that there's practically no possible way that anyone can stop him, unless a major asspull or something is done. To think that this is what Eren has become, what his desire for freedom and his rage have morphed him into, and to know he's ready to kill millions of people. I mean, Jesus Christ, what kind of protagonist has gone to this lengths? 

      I'm not ready to write him off just yet. He's already shown that he is very capable of compassion even towards people from outside nations. He's also shown hesitation and doubts about genocide even after the royal touch in chapter 90.

      There's also that episode 25 filler scene where Eren, while fighting Annie, was acting very similar to what we see in him right now, but then he softened up at the last moment and couldn't even finish Annie off.

      Plus, Grisha obviously believed in him again even after doubting him. Otherwise, he wouldn't have injected Eren and counted on him to control the power in order to save Armin and Mikasa and everyone else.

      And if that final manga panel is any indicator, if that's him holding a baby, then the chances are he will probably be vindicated or at least redeemed in the end.

      I hope you're right, because it would be very sad if Eren did indeed commit genocide.

      You call it sad, I call it karmic justice xD

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    • They had another cousin?Mutsu Goro wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      SO glad the Warriors families are apparently killed by Eren already. People straight up trying to feel sorry for Annie as if she wasn't a complete sadist who killed Squad Levi and helped Reiner and Bert kill hundreds of thousands of Eldians. They never deserved a happy ending, and I'm glad their families are (apparently) dead.

      Maybe, but the young cousin of Reiner and Gabi was an innocent kid.

      They had another cousin? I thought it was just them and the rest of their racist, monstrous family

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      They had another cousin? I thought it was just them and the rest of their racist, monstrous family

      Look at the Braun family page, the first picture is the family dining around the table, and that cousin sits next to Reiner, showing us his back. He didn't got any name and not a single line.

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    • Razzylada wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      They had another cousin? I thought it was just them and the rest of their racist, monstrous family

      Look at the Braun family page, the first picture is the family dining around the table, and that cousin sits next to Reiner, showing us his back. He didn't got any name and not a single line.

      In other images of chapter 94 we see it from the front. We do not say his age, it is clear that he is still an innocent young teenager.
      He has a silent role and does not participate in the racist debate. He only seems to admire his cousins Gabi and Reiner but just for their military exploits. 

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    • Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      They had another cousin?Mutsu Goro wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      SO glad the Warriors families are apparently killed by Eren already. People straight up trying to feel sorry for Annie as if she wasn't a complete sadist who killed Squad Levi and helped Reiner and Bert kill hundreds of thousands of Eldians. They never deserved a happy ending, and I'm glad their families are (apparently) dead.

      Maybe, but the young cousin of Reiner and Gabi was an innocent kid.
      They had another cousin? I thought it was just them and the rest of their racist, monstrous family

      The young cousin looks innocent but I agree that adults are monstrous. Especially Reiner's mother who seems to be the head of the family who is a horrible manipulator who sees only family honor. I admire Reiner for crying that she dies, it's the same for Annie with her awful father. They don't deserve their loves.

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    • Mutsu Goro wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:
      They had another cousin?Mutsu Goro wrote:
      Penguinluver1431 wrote:

      SO glad the Warriors families are apparently killed by Eren already. People straight up trying to feel sorry for Annie as if she wasn't a complete sadist who killed Squad Levi and helped Reiner and Bert kill hundreds of thousands of Eldians. They never deserved a happy ending, and I'm glad their families are (apparently) dead.

      Maybe, but the young cousin of Reiner and Gabi was an innocent kid.
      They had another cousin? I thought it was just them and the rest of their racist, monstrous family
      The young cousin looks innocent but I agree that adults are monstrous. Especially Reiner's mother who seems to be the head of the family who is a horrible manipulator who sees only family honor. I admire Reiner for crying that she dies, it's the same for Annie with her awful father. They don't deserve their loves.

      I don't know if you're right about Annie's dad; after the guy got crippled, he started feeling remorse about abusing Annie (and might even believe he deserved to be crippled), so maybe you should at least keep an open mind about his possibility for redemption?

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    • Eradicate Us wrote:

      Yeah. I'd love that.

      What also gives me hope for Zeke being Eren's dark foil and rival is what we saw with Shikishima in the live action. He was stronger, smarter, tougher, and darker than Eren. There's also that last cutscene in Season 2 of the anime with Eren looking off with a pretty intense look in the distance where Zeke was. Finally, there's the opening cutscene of the Attack On Titan 2 Final Battle video game which shows Eren and Zeke in their titan forms about to duke it out with each other.

      I'm sure Eren would need help vs Zeke, and perhaps Historia could help a lot with that after she helps vs Eren who she herself would probably need help against.

      Moreover, I still have hope that either Eren's intentions are better than we currently see, or he's brainwashed and in for a change of heart, or some combination of both.

      But I'm not satisfied with Zeke being the final villain either, since I'm convinced Tom Xaver brainwashed him, but instead want him to get his final change of heart that sees him become more like a hero for the true final battle, just like Shikishima in the live action again. I want him to become Eren's single biggest help in the real final battle, and the one Eren gets very close to before the end of the story (the one Eren can't sacrifice, but has to anyways).

      Pretty much everything I'm thinking too, and I've seen many others think it as well.  Another thing to add about the games: remember in the 1st one, Eren had a slaughter move against Zeke? Considering the other 2 slaughter moves were straight from the series, even the one against Reiner which at the time wasn't in anime form yet, Isayama clearly gave that detail away along with permission to let that game dive into season 2 territory loosely.

      But I think Zeke may be the final villain, even with his tragic backstory. He and Eren may still have a moment like you said, but he was never that brainwashed like the other warriors, as he's been on both sides of the conflict, and even came up with a plan that threatens both sides.  Who do you think would be the villain in that true final battle you imagined? Just asking lol

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    • CiscoTheSoto wrote:
      To be honest, it's pretty depressing to realize that Eren is going to actually commit genocide, that there's practically no possible way that anyone can stop him, unless a major asspull or something is done. To think that this is what Eren has become, what his desire for freedom and his rage have morphed him into, and to know he's ready to kill millions of people. I mean, Jesus Christ, what kind of protagonist has gone to this lengths? 

      Eren didn't commit genocide yet, and so far, whatever "evidence" pointed to it had cracks in it. Isayama is clearly trying to set up a big twist down the line, and he will fool everyone unless they paid attention.  He already did this with Zeke's plan, as some thought Eren actually agreed with it. I don't think I need to explain why it was clear he didn't agree with that, but its also easy to see he may have another plan in mind currently.  He knows the world is full of people like him, and he knows about that even more after living in Marley.  Remember, all those flashbacks took place between the end of season 3 and the conversation Eren had with Reiner, a conversation that shows Eren without a genocidal mindset. I don't think he is as ready as you think, and that there is more to his desire for freedom than it seems, which rage and revenge have nothing to do with anymore.

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    • Attackcjc wrote:

      Eren didn't commit genocide yet, and so far, whatever "evidence" pointed to it had cracks in it. Isayama is clearly trying to set up a big twist down the line, and he will fool everyone unless they paid attention.  He already did this with Zeke's plan, as some thought Eren actually agreed with it. I don't think I need to explain why it was clear he didn't agree with that, but its also easy to see he may have another plan in mind currently.  He knows the world is full of people like him, and he knows about that even more after living in Marley.  Remember, all those flashbacks took place between the end of season 3 and the conversation Eren had with Reiner, a conversation that shows Eren without a genocidal mindset. I don't think he is as ready as you think, and that there is more to his desire for freedom than it seems, which rage and revenge have nothing to do with anymore.

      I agreed with you there about Eren Yeagers secret plan.  I knew that ever since we learned about Zeke Yeagers true plan, Eren would be against it.  And again, I do believe that Eren Yeager was focusing on freeing the entire Eldian race from Humanity control as well.

      From the beginning, Eren Yeager has always believed that everyone is born free.  Eren Yeager fought for it and went against anyone, even his own friends whenever that belief is threatened.  He is basically a 'freedom fighter', someone who fights for everyone and themselves to be free.

      Towards him, Eren Yeager does not really care about the history of Eldians doing cruel things towards humanity.  He probably believes that it should be left in the past like everybody else.  But he does believe on what is happening in current events.  Events that involves in humanity's hatred towards Eldians is threatening his home, friends and family.  That one is true, as we all now know.

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    • Attackcjc wrote:

      Eradicate Us wrote:

      Yeah. I'd love that.

      What also gives me hope for Zeke being Eren's dark foil and rival is what we saw with Shikishima in the live action. He was stronger, smarter, tougher, and darker than Eren. There's also that last cutscene in Season 2 of the anime with Eren looking off with a pretty intense look in the distance where Zeke was. Finally, there's the opening cutscene of the Attack On Titan 2 Final Battle video game which shows Eren and Zeke in their titan forms about to duke it out with each other.

      I'm sure Eren would need help vs Zeke, and perhaps Historia could help a lot with that after she helps vs Eren who she herself would probably need help against.

      Moreover, I still have hope that either Eren's intentions are better than we currently see, or he's brainwashed and in for a change of heart, or some combination of both.

      But I'm not satisfied with Zeke being the final villain either, since I'm convinced Tom Xaver brainwashed him, but instead want him to get his final change of heart that sees him become more like a hero for the true final battle, just like Shikishima in the live action again. I want him to become Eren's single biggest help in the real final battle, and the one Eren gets very close to before the end of the story (the one Eren can't sacrifice, but has to anyways).

      Pretty much everything I'm thinking too, and I've seen many others think it as well.  Another thing to add about the games: remember in the 1st one, Eren had a slaughter move against Zeke? Considering the other 2 slaughter moves were straight from the series, even the one against Reiner which at the time wasn't in anime form yet, Isayama clearly gave that detail away along with permission to let that game dive into season 2 territory loosely.

      But I think Zeke may be the final villain, even with his tragic backstory. He and Eren may still have a moment like you said, but he was never that brainwashed like the other warriors, as he's been on both sides of the conflict, and even came up with a plan that threatens both sides.  Who do you think would be the villain in that true final battle you imagined? Just asking lol

      Yeah. I do remember that. And I won't be surprised if Eren has a similar attack against Zeke in the canon anime and manga later on. They still need to fight each other yet, as Isayama insinuated.

      As for who I see being the villain of the final battle, that's a tricky one that I honestly haven't thought as deeply about. It may be the world's armies with aircraft and bombs. It may even be the 1st Fritz King of ~2000 years ago in some way. I don't really know. But I definitely see Zeke being the penultimate villain, and the last one getting redeemed and convinced over to the survey corps' side.

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